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Is there"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2409.61,"endTime":2413.51,"body":"anything kind of short, snappy,"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2409.61,"endTime":2413.51,"body":"relevant that comes to mind?"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2413.75,"endTime":2416.45,"body":"What you got? We could Okay,"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2413.75,"endTime":2416.45,"body":"wait, let's ask Vanessa first."},{"speaker":"Vanessa Boachie","startTime":2418.82,"endTime":2421.07,"body":"Gosh Ngozi"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Boachie","startTime":2418.82,"endTime":2421.07,"body":"please go first because I"},{"speaker":"Vanessa Boachie","startTime":2421.07,"endTime":2421.67,"body":"haven't got one yet."},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2422.21,"endTime":2423.08,"body":"Okay,yea. I've  got"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2422.21,"endTime":2423.08,"body":"one as well."},{"speaker":"Ngozi Cadmus","startTime":2423.83,"endTime":2427.19,"body":"I was going to say"},{"speaker":"Ngozi Cadmus","startTime":2423.83,"endTime":2427.19,"body":"maybe like Practitioner to CEO?"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2427.78,"endTime":2430.51,"body":"Yes, I was gonna say"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2427.78,"endTime":2430.51,"body":"that because you said, from"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2430.51,"endTime":2433.69,"body":"Therapist to CEO when you're"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2430.51,"endTime":2433.69,"body":"talking and I wrote that down,"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2433.69,"endTime":2438.58,"body":"like, that sounds beautiful. I"},{"speaker":"Kim Evans","startTime":2433.69,"endTime":2438.58,"body":"like that. 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