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But at the same"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1468.21,"endTime":1474.39,"body":"time, it's the risk that you can"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1468.21,"endTime":1474.39,"body":"take an experience it learn"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1474.39,"endTime":1475.44,"body":"trial and error."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1476.76,"endTime":1479.25,"body":"And at least"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1476.76,"endTime":1479.25,"body":"somewhere where people can get"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1479.25,"endTime":1483.63,"body":"their voice out where they can"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1479.25,"endTime":1483.63,"body":"say after they feel or think or"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1483.63,"endTime":1484.8,"body":"care about, you know,"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1485.22,"endTime":1488.04,"body":"And be heard"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1485.22,"endTime":1488.04,"body":"and be heard. Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1488.07,"endTime":1488.73,"body":"Hopefully."},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1489.09,"endTime":1491.58,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1489.09,"endTime":1491.58,"body":"Hopefully. Sometimes ignored."},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1491.88,"endTime":1493.38,"body":"Yeah, that happens too."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1494.94,"endTime":1496.77,"body":"I feel like"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1494.94,"endTime":1496.77,"body":"we've talked about so many, so"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1496.77,"endTime":1499.68,"body":"many different topics have we"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1496.77,"endTime":1499.68,"body":"have we talked about everything"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1499.68,"endTime":1502.89,"body":"you want? Want to talk about"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1499.68,"endTime":1502.89,"body":"today? Or is there anything we"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1502.95,"endTime":1503.43,"body":"we didn't cover?"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1505.37,"endTime":1508.94,"body":"I think we do"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1505.37,"endTime":1508.94,"body":"cover quite a bit. Yeah. And"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1508.94,"endTime":1511.88,"body":"thank you for giving me the"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1508.94,"endTime":1511.88,"body":"space and opportunity to"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1512.15,"endTime":1516.38,"body":"vocalize something what I've"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1512.15,"endTime":1516.38,"body":"been holding back for a while."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1517.01,"endTime":1519.08,"body":"You're very"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1517.01,"endTime":1519.08,"body":"welcome. Thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1519.08,"endTime":1523.34,"body":"sharing it with us. What's next"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1519.08,"endTime":1523.34,"body":"for you? What's, what have you"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1523.34,"endTime":1524.18,"body":"got planned?"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1524.51,"endTime":1526.58,"body":"Oh, in"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1524.51,"endTime":1526.58,"body":"February, I'm doing a"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1527.09,"endTime":1532.97,"body":"presentation at the conference"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1527.09,"endTime":1532.97,"body":"in Canberra on hate, anger and"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1532.97,"endTime":1537.26,"body":"war. Yeah, what else are we"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1532.97,"endTime":1537.26,"body":"going to talk about right now?"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1538.22,"endTime":1541.16,"body":"Not exactly about love and"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1538.22,"endTime":1541.16,"body":"compassion and things like this."},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1541.16,"endTime":1545.93,"body":"I'm not not there yet. Actually,"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1541.16,"endTime":1545.93,"body":"I have to say, this whole"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1545.93,"endTime":1550.79,"body":"situation, not just war, but the"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1545.93,"endTime":1550.79,"body":"entire process. It murders your"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1550.79,"endTime":1555.56,"body":"empathy and compassion is just"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1550.79,"endTime":1555.56,"body":"it disappears. You have to"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1555.56,"endTime":1558.89,"body":"rebuild it pretty much on a"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1555.56,"endTime":1558.89,"body":"daily basis, kind of remind"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1558.89,"endTime":1561.35,"body":"yourself, hey, empathy, that."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1562.009,"endTime":1564.882,"body":"I mean, I can"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1562.009,"endTime":1564.882,"body":"understand why because I think"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1564.948,"endTime":1569.062,"body":"you know, the constant kind of"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1564.948,"endTime":1569.062,"body":"grinding down of people and kind"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1569.127,"endTime":1573.307,"body":"of things that you need to deal"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1569.127,"endTime":1573.307,"body":"with on a daily basis. So I feel"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1573.373,"endTime":1577.553,"body":"your warmth and your compassion"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1573.373,"endTime":1577.553,"body":"from speaking to you. So I don't"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1577.618,"endTime":1581.929,"body":"think it's, I don't think it's"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1577.618,"endTime":1581.929,"body":"disappeared Maria. Its still there."},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1581.929,"endTime":1582.309,"body":"I am working on"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1581.929,"endTime":1582.309,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1582.309,"endTime":1585.941,"body":"I wish wish you"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1582.309,"endTime":1585.941,"body":"the best of luck with that. And"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1586.018,"endTime":1590.346,"body":"thank you so much again for"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1586.018,"endTime":1590.346,"body":"coming on onto the Therapist"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1590.423,"endTime":1593.36,"body":"Connect Podcast. Please stay in touch."},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1593.72,"endTime":1596.878,"body":"I will thank"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1593.72,"endTime":1596.878,"body":"you. And thank you for this"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1596.957,"endTime":1600.59,"body":"really lovely community. Really"},{"speaker":"Maria Sorokopud","startTime":1596.957,"endTime":1600.59,"body":"appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1600.59,"endTime":1601.79,"body":"Thanks, Maria."}]}