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Or next? Are"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":941.37,"endTime":943.05,"body":"your your future plans?"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":943.93,"endTime":949.57,"body":"Well, goodness,"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":943.93,"endTime":949.57,"body":"I'm actually working nonfiction"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":949.57,"endTime":954.88,"body":"book now. Which I'm enjoying"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":949.57,"endTime":954.88,"body":"writing, but I think that'll"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":955.36,"endTime":958.84,"body":"probably take three or five or"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":955.36,"endTime":958.84,"body":"10 years to finish."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":959.71,"endTime":962.44,"body":"So can you can"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":959.71,"endTime":962.44,"body":"you can you hint about what"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":962.44,"endTime":964.45,"body":"that's about? Or is it top"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":962.44,"endTime":964.45,"body":"secret for now?"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":964.96,"endTime":971.77,"body":"is top secret,"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":964.96,"endTime":971.77,"body":"I'm afraid, I think that and as"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":971.77,"endTime":979.0,"body":"I mentioned to you, a newborn"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":971.77,"endTime":979.0,"body":"son late in the day. And very"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":979.0,"endTime":986.11,"body":"excited about that rejuvenating"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":979.0,"endTime":986.11,"body":"and and yeah, just keeping"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":986.14,"endTime":991.87,"body":"keeping my life nice and healthy"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":986.14,"endTime":991.87,"body":"and well balanced. And, and, and"},{"speaker":"William Pullen","startTime":991.87,"endTime":993.16,"body":"lots to be grateful for."},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":993.63,"endTime":995.91,"body":"Fantastic. Well,"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":993.63,"endTime":995.91,"body":"thank you so much. It's been"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":995.91,"endTime":1000.47,"body":"really interesting chatting to"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":995.91,"endTime":1000.47,"body":"you. And good luck with the new"},{"speaker":"Peter Blundell","startTime":1000.5,"endTime":1002.42,"body":"born baby boy as well. Cheers."}]}