Dr Mish Seabrook

In this episode, Dr. Peter Blundell interviews Dr. Mish Seabrook about her life and work.

Dr Mish offers therapy, supervision, training, and consultancy and now adds coaching to her skills in serving others. She is BACP registered & accredited. She has worked in the helping professions since the late 1990s, including roles in prisons, probation, mental health charities and the therapeutic world. She has a special interest in supervision and resilience. She founded the Supervision Institute - where she shares knowledge and offers CPD and support about supervision. Plus, Dr Mish continues with her therapeutic work and alongside this offers therapeutically-informed coaching to women in business/entrepreneurs who 'struggle with the juggle' of their work/home/life commitments. 


Mish's Details
Website: www.michelleseabrook.co.uk
Social Media - search for "Dr Mish"
Supervision Institute: www.supervisioninstitute.com

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Social Media: @drpeterblundell

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Transcript

Peter Blundell: 0:46

Hello and welcome to another episode of the #TherapistConnect Podcast. My name is Dr. Peter Blundell and today I'm delighted to be interviewing Dr. Michelle Seabrook. Mish is a psychotherapist, supervision enthusiast and trainer. And in today's episode, she'll talk about her career. And what brought her to become a therapist in the first place, as well as her PhD research, which explores how we can look after ourselves in supervision. If you liked this episode, the Therapists Connect podcast please leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Well Mish thanks so much for coming on the therapists Connect podcast. It's absolutely wonderful to have you here and find out a little bit more about you.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 1:32

I'm so glad to be here. I can't I'm very nervous, though. But I am really pleased that that we've we've managed to get together I know our diaries were like ships in the night, weren't we? We just couldn't find anything.

Peter Blundell: 1:44

It was a bit ridiculous. Really? I could do this. No, I can't do this. I'm sorry. I can't make it now. Like, that's gone on for quite quite a while.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 1:53

But we're here we are. We did it.

Peter Blundell: 1:54

We were determined to make it happen. And so yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad that we did make it happen. And that our listeners can get to find out a little bit more about you. And I like the fact that for anyone who doesn't know Mish has got our own podcast, we've had multiple podcasts now actually, haven't you?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 2:09

Yeah, I'm a bit of a podcast addict, I think I just love them. I love listening to them. And I think oh, I could do a bit of that. And then suddenly there I was doing it.

Peter Blundell: 2:21

Well it was really successful. But it's nice to try and turn the lens towards you, rather than you been the host of this podcast

Dr Mish Seabrook: 2:30

It feels a bit weird, I have to say, but I'm gonna embrace it. I'm up for new experiences.

Peter Blundell: 2:39

So my first question, I mean, I asked everybody, this oops, come on the podcast. Because I think it's a nice segue into finding out a bit more about you. But can you tell our listeners a little bit about why you how you came to be a therapist in the first place? What was it that drew you into the therapy profession?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 2:56

That's really hard. I was trying to think of the different layers to that question. Because I suppose in a way, I've, I've always been drawn to people. I think, you know, when I think back of I used to work in retail back in, you know, when my earliest jobs, I think most people have had that jobs like that. And people would just talk to me, and they'd be buying clothes. And then they just ended up telling me their whole life story or problems they were having at the minute. And I'd always get bit torn off about talking too much. And I was thinking people make a career of this and just enjoyed, be connecting with people. So I think I've always found myself drawn to being curious about where people are, who they are, what their story is. So I kind of fell into it. Really, it wasn't something that was on my radar, I kind of didn't really, really know that there was such an amazing world of therapy out there for a long for a long time. I knew I knew there were bits of it. But yeah, I just just fell in it because I like people.

Peter Blundell: 4:16

I think that's a really interesting answer. Because I was thinking about the world of therapy when you were talking then actually how many people don't really know about it and what goes on inside that there's probably a lot of misconceptions about what therapy is and what it isn't. And kind of feeling like it resonated with you on some level, but you didn't really have a knowledge or an understanding of what that might look like if you trained or went down that path.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 4:40

Yeah, yeah. And I only ended up finding that out sort of later on after I'd done a slightly different career. But really, it's always been a curiosity I've had about about others, and just feeling at ease with talking to people and feeling that connection was something that felt I suppose easy to me felt like chatting was something I was good at, in a way even though I know obviously therapy is not a chat, but you know, certainly all through school it was my school reports were always that I talked too much and I'm just interested in people and and then here we go it's

Peter Blundell: 5:25

You very rare. rarely hear that someone got career advice to be a therapist. You know, during school years. Yeah. You don't hear that very often.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 5:34

No, you're often told don't. Don't talk too much in you know, Make sure that you do something that that feels very sensible. And in some way it does feel like it is a very serious and very sensible career, I suppose. But yeah, it wasn't really on my radar. So I just, I just fell into it really.

Peter Blundell: 5:53

You mentioned that you've been in retail, but then you kind of hints that maybe having another career as well. So did you have a couple of careers before you?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 6:02

Yeah. So I kind of wandered into retail because I needed a job. And I'm really grateful for that job somewhere, like, met my best mates from there. And the, you know, the people who know me really well. And at that point, now, we know too much about each other that we can't be, can't not be friends, because we've had too many years together. But that was really, really good grounding for me, but I just wasn't moved by what was a best seller, it just didn't, you know, didn't wasn't a language that made much sense to me. And then I ended up working in a local prison in the psychology department, in HMP, Leicester, and it was when they were just setting up their psychology department, and there was a big kind of national rollout of offending behavior group work programs. And it was just the start of that, and I was kind of there as admin. And again, just kind of fell into that thought it might be a bit interesting and realize that it was scratching that itch of working with people, even though I wasn't doing the intensive work, I was kind of around the edges of it. So I started that there, really, and really, you know, cut my teeth with being able to talk to anyone, that was a really good grounding for me. And I really strangely liked the prison environment, which is a weird thing to say, but it doesn't always suit everyone, I think. So that's where it started. And then one of my colleagues was in probation. And she said, 'Oh, there's some some jobs in, in probation, if you're interested, they're going to roll out all the group work programs to the community now'. And I thought, 'Oh, I think I could do that'. And then just applied for it and ended up doing the accredited group work programs in the community. So I was an accredited tutor, it was all very CBT based. And I really love doing that job. And again, there's nothing like honing a craft, if you're having to work with people who don't want to be there. There's nothing like being able to hold, hold the crowd attention when they're literally telling you how rubbish you are. But this is a load of rubbish and, but again, I loved it, I loved it, I loved the connections I made, the team I was working with, and I really felt like I found my groove a bit more. And then I decided to apply to be a probation officer in training. So got onto that and did two year probation officer training and, and again, it was just a real baptism of fire, you know, getting on with some of the kind of hard edge if the work it was challenging work, but just again, that that kind of finding my groove in it kind of suited me in a strange way. And then once I'd qualified ended up working in another prison at HMP, Gartree, which is a lifer for unit. So hundreds of lifers kind of just dove in again, back into prison again. So I kind of went prison community back into prison. And really, really enjoyed that work. Even though that was really hard. It was really, obviously people are in there because of the the nature of the crimes that they done. And it was hard edged work, it was difficult, the content was difficult. But I did really like again, that prison environment, there's something about it, the language feels different, the energy feels different. And I quite liked being able to walk away from that there was a clear line from work and home. And that was, that was really good for me. And then as part of that, I had to go and see a supervisor. So a trained psychotherapist, because of the material that I was exposed to. I had to go and see the supervisor didn't really know what what it what it was about what what it was for, but she's a trained psychotherapist, and highly experienced. And I'd go and see her once a month just to process what was going on and seeing how I was in the work and how I was as a person. And then one day I kind of said how do I sit in your seat? How do I make that leap? Because she was saying, you know, you're kind of good at this. You're good at this facilitating and part of my job in, in working with lifers was withdrawing out their life story so I could write these big parole reports. And she said, you know, you're good at good at there, too. Have you ever thought about it? And I was like, Yeah, I kind of want to sit there, I don't want to sit here. And so it's really she was a bit of a mentor as well and kind of propelled me to go for it. And she's been part of my life since then, really. So that was, that was a good long time ago now, when we first met. And then I ended up doing my master's in psychodynamic therapy, and then ended up setting up you know, did all my hours and voluntary work and set up in business with with a colleague of mine who's still, you know, we offer peer support now, so it's kind of been a journey that I didn't predict, I'd be where I am, I was, I've been constantly surprised along the way really. So that's, that's,

Peter Blundell: 11:38

That's a really interesting path, I think is interesting, and that you moved from kind of group work and then to individual and also maybe initially start off with like, CBT. Yeah, then moving into psychodynamic and possibly possibly also also kind of modalities as well is that your therapeutic approach. Now, psychodynamic or do you?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 11:56

No, I wouldn't say it was chuckling at this because I think I imagined a lot of like, psychodynamic people would say 'you're not psychodynamic', I suppose? Yeah, CBT was a really big influence on how I approached working with people. So I had to really learn a totally different language and a way of being in the seat. That was that was more that was psychodynamic. And I loved having a really good grounding in that theory. And I've taken those along with me, you know, they're the ways that I think about people and think about dynamics in the work I'm doing. But I wouldn't describe myself now, as psychodynamic. I'd say I'm more pluralistic, and draw on a number of different approaches, I suppose. Since I did my core training, I went and learned more. And I've kind of situate myself as a forever learner, I'm really curious about how other people work and how it can be relevant to what I'm doing or relevant to clients that I'm working with. So I think definitely now I tend to tend to work in a in a way, which draws on a lot of different influences, which are there to serve, what the client and I co create in their therapeutic space. So we have a really kind of in depth conversation about what they what they would like, what approach they might they think they would like, and then constantly come back to that about whether we're meeting that. So I feel like I've been in a really lucky position of being able to draw on things that come from a wide range of modalities, really. And in a way I've kind of that the minute I feel like I'm evolving again, which won't surprise people who know me, well, they'll, they'll know that I'm always going, 'Oh, what's this? And what's that, and what's next and what's out there'. So I feel like I'm almost doing a full circle, I'm kind of going back and scooping up a bit more of the CBT element, and bringing that in a bit more. And, you know, obviously, this will come out whenever it comes out. But at the time of recording, I'm just about start doing a coaching qualification and bring that in and bring a more therapeutically informed coaching element because I kind of want to meet the need of what I see is out there. How can I think always think how can I best serve the people that are coming to me? And I feel like this could really provide an extra arm of what I what I offer. So yeah, about to bring that in, which will be interesting again,

Peter Blundell: 14:46

sound like me, I sounds like you love a course. I love it. I love learning, but I was thinking about when you were talking like a lot of students who start on some of the courses I teach on and they kind of want to know, like, get to day one and they like want to know everything. And I'm kind of like actually, you're gonna get to the end of the course and probably no less than when you started it opens up. Well, what about this? What about this and what about this, but that's what I like about being a therapist is that it's just an ongoing learning opportunity. It's not like you ever get to the point where you go oh, I kind of know everything I need to know now and then that's it.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 15:22

Yeah. When do you get to that? I want to meet the person who is it because I'm like, I feel like I'm constantly learning and and I think you're absolutely right in the way that we come to it a piece, come to an end of a bit of learning and then it In some respects, like, it really highlights to me what I don't know.

Peter Blundell: 15:43

Yeah.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 15:44

And then I'm like, Oh, well, then I want to learn a bit more about this and a bit more about that. And I love learning. I've always loved learning.

Peter Blundell: 15:50

But I also liked what you were talking about in terms of going back to some of the stuff that you learn early on in your career, because sometimes it's not always it's not always about something new. Sometimes, you know, it's about going, oh, actually looking at the stuff that you've learned at the start of your therapy career and kind of going, how do I see this differently now that I've changed over however many years?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 16:09

Yeah, yeah. Because one of the fundamental things that I do in the group work stuff was about where you are and where you want to be. And that question has always been around for me, I suppose, in whoever I'm working with, and whatever approach that I'm doing, and even though that's quite a CBT based question, and in some respects, a kind of coaching question, which is why I kind of scooped gone back around and scooped it back up. I was still, that's where I, I always come back to that bit about where people are on their journey and what it is that they want that journey to look like so and however I can best serve that. Yeah, I'm totally up for adding to what I can bring. Feel like it's my duty really

Peter Blundell: 16:54

well, talking about adding you also went and got your PhD, as well, in amongst all this other training

Dr Mish Seabrook: 17:05

It sounds like I've got one of those. Like, days, that actually means I have 48 hours in one day. Yeah, I did, I went and did my doctorate. And it was at the University of Chester, and it was a professional doctorate. So there was a taught element to it, which really helped me hone my, my writing skill and my confidence as a researcher. So that really suited me and I needed a bit of hand holding, which and the teaching up there is absolutely brilliant. I you know, for anyone's looking, definitely check that out as an option. But yes, I did. I did my research took me four years or eight years to do. And, and I loved it, I loved it, because I could do a really deep dive into research, how supervisee self care is addressed in clinical supervision. Because I'm a, I'm really passionate about our own resilience and well being as practitioners, and also really, really interested in supervision as well. So it kind of stuck the two together really. And I think it's a big part of our work that we we struggle with, for many reasons. So yeah, I wanted to do a deep dive into that. And but again, the coming from that still makes me think well, I might know a lot about that one little bit. But there's loads. I don't know.

Peter Blundell: 18:31

So it's interesting, isn't it doing a piece of research like that, and kind of, you can become like an expert in this kind of narrow thing. And then you as you explore you kind of realize all the things that you don't know about?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 18:43

Yeah, so much. I don't know. And I think that's probably what fuels my learning, passion that I constantly think, I don't know stuff. But I love doing my doctoral research I, I was, you know, I'd saved up for it a lot over the years, I kind of scratched the itch. And again, this person who, who is still a mentor and supervisor, back in the day, had to kind of nudge me a little I kind of keep blaming her. So it's all your fault that but it was her way of paying it forward, I suppose and saying, I can see that you could do this and all the way along. She's been such a amazing cheerleader all the way along.

Peter Blundell: 19:27

And it's amazing. Sometimes Sometimes that's maybe the push we need, isn't it? It's somebody of having a cheerleader, they're saying, 'Yeah, you can do this. This is for you.' Yeah,

Dr Mish Seabrook: 19:36

yeah. And I kind of didn't, you know, my background is, you know, I'm a mixed race and from a place of essentially, we didn't have a lot of money when we when we grew up, my parents weren't born in this country. So I was coming from a place where there's many layers to why I've not felt particularly good enough to do things and felt quite othered. So if you told little Mish that I'd be not only able to sustain a career but also to do some deep research and to be able to share my knowledge with people and to have that passion still after all these years. I don't Yeah, little Mish wouldnt believe that 'what are you kidding?'. So it's a really I kind of feel like particularly with my doctorate which is why I'm why I use the doctor bit a lot. I feel like it's it's almost a political statement for me. And also, I like to fly the flag for other mixed race people in the therapeutic world who are finding their way and I kind of want to go 'Yeah, you know what you can do, you can do more than what other people will think you could do, and also more than what you what you might think you can do as well'. So it's, it's, yeah, it's quite a political thing. That's why I use it a lot.

Peter Blundell: 20:59

And acknowledging that achievement that you've that you've done, you know, and I think I think you've earned it, why not? Why not use it?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 21:06

Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, I just love doing the research, I think if I, which sounds weird, because I know people have really different relationships with doing any kind of research. And like I say, it's not something I ever thought I could do. So all the way along, I've gone. I don't know if I can do this, but I'm gonna give it a go. And then having people around me, that's what helped me the most people around me going, 'Yeah, you can do this'. And then in the end, going, 'Oh, my God, I think I've done this thing' was just a weird, still weird for me.

Peter Blundell: 21:40

It's brilliant. And congratulations, I can you tell us a little bit about what you found in your research? Like maybe

Dr Mish Seabrook: 21:46

Wow,

Peter Blundell: 21:47

There will be quite a bit, but maybe some of the key bits

Dr Mish Seabrook: 21:50

Yeah, I suppose the kind of key headlines is that that supervisees struggle to know how to bring in self care. They feel a lot of shame and guilt. They don't know what's okay and what's not okay. And supervisors need to be really clear about what what the kind of rules aren't, if they was in inverted commas, around what can be brought, I think there's lots of conversations to be had about the process around what, what it might feel like to bring in ourselves into the work. We want to be seen as competent, and capable. And we're kind of sorted. And I feel like we need to smash some of those myths a little bit and be vulnerable in the work that we bring in. But there is a lot of permission giving needed. And also the language, I looked at some of the language we use around it. So using metaphor was a really interesting way that felt less threatening to bring in how supervisees might want to address it. And there's lots of hesitations and tentative language around talking about their self care, which shows that it's feels awkward. And we're not we're not really sure. And yeah, I just kind of encourage conversations around, like, what would it be like to talk more about yourself? And what are the things you don't want to tell me, but we need to bring in? So yeah, it was I did really enjoy the whole process. But I mean, it was hard, slog. Don't get me wrong, though. Those those kinds of over Christmas breaks and stuff, trying to wade through massive bits of data. But, but I did enjoy it did feel quite self indulgent at times.

Peter Blundell: 23:39

Yeah. And then that writing up a bit of kind of making sure that it's it's yeah, all together and it's all consistent. It's a big, it's a big piece of work. Yeah, it's interesting, you were talking about bringing those bits ourselves that we don't want to bring all the bits of our practice that we don't want to talk about. And I think that's about for me, like safer spaces in supervision, like, like feeling like your supervisors not going to be judgmental, you know, to kind of openly talk about some of those things. And one of the things that you've launched is your Supervision Institute. So I assume that that ties in with some of that, can you tell our listeners a little bit about that?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 24:17

Yeah, well, I kind of thought that was a, you know, my own journey as a supervisor going, who's out there? How can I connect with other supervisors? And how do we reflect on what we're doing? How do we support each other? How do we shine a spotlight it is a skill it's not I always think that it's not like a rite of passage you don't do therapist to supervise it, it is an actual skill, to be able to hold the tension that is there between being supportive and to evaluate I feel like there's a constant tension there and to help someone really reflect on what they're doing and challenge people but also celebrate everything they're doing it's just it's just again a different language a different world that we have to step into. And so setting this up was really met a need in me as most things are when we set things up. But I kind of wanted to just go 'hey, supervisors, what you doing, how are you doing? Can I can I help facilitate a bit of a shared space?' Can we help each other really and just go supervision is awesome by the way people if you don't know what it is, and a lot of people don't know what it is. So I just wanted to shine a bit of spotlight so I'm, yeah, it's it's that's developing. Yes. Developing and I've been really pleased with the the response people have seems to warm to it, which is lovely. And yeah, I hope to still offer those those spaces.

Peter Blundell: 25:54

Alright, sounds brilliant. And I'm just wondering is where can people access that? Is that in your website? Or is it?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 25:59

Yeah, yeah. So I have I have a have a website, specifically supervisioninstitute.com. But also people go through my own website, and there's a, there's a podcast about the craft of supervision. And yeah, I just like talking about it, sharing ideas, and, and drawing on everyone's expertise, really. And I think one of the things, the work, one of the best ways I can serve a community of supervisors is by encouraging people to talk about it and share the knowledge. So that's, it's just to facilitate that, really,

Peter Blundell: 26:32

I was wondering, how do you see the wider therapy community? And how connected do you feel to other therapists,

Dr Mish Seabrook: 26:38

I feel much more connected than I think I have ever done. And part of that is both things like things that you and Caz set up, you know, the therapist connect hashtag just totally changed that for me. So thanks. for that. Oh, yeah, really appreciate that. That was quite a pivotal moment, in being connected to a wider group in terms of along the way, I've definitely made connections along the way. So one of my colleagues were trained with, you know, with, with, like, mates and colleagues, you know, we, we've been making an effort with that. And I think I've recognized that I need to make an effort to be connected. And I've made so many connections now. And it feels great, actually, I feel much more connected than, than I ever have. And that, that is through a lot of social media as much as social media can be a bit of a doom scrolling pits, sometimes, I've actually, it is through the power of social media, and I'm, you know, I think for that the social element of it has been revolutionary for me feeling connected, but I also made sure I take that connection, and, and go with it, you know, meet meet up, have a, have a zoom chat, have a coffee if I can have. So I think connection is a big a big thing to me, and particularly in private practice, it's can be really lonely work. So I feel like that's part of my own self care to be connected with others, and over lots of different subjects as well. So um, yeah, I'm really grateful, grateful for the use of social media for that, and particularly that you picked the hashtag that you and Caz set up, it's changed everything.

Peter Blundell: 28:39

Thank you. Really appreciate that. I suppose one of the things I was thinking about when you're talking with, sometimes we see the external stuff on social media, so people debating or arguing or having differences of opinion or whatever. And so it can maybe create this idea that that's all it is. Yeah, maybe what's hidden is actually some people connecting over those common goals or common ideas or and actually building up relationships that are always public, you know, yeah. What they've been formed through some of those discussions and shared experiences.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 29:17

Yeah. And doing that on a global scale as well. So I'm always always up for having chats with people because I think, yeah, why wouldn't you want to keep connected people? It's just, it's what it's really what it's there for. I think, even though there's there can be a lot of noise on there. I do have to kind of filter out some of the noise sometimes and just go for the connection and support each other. I think I'm very much for collaboration and connection over competition.

Peter Blundell: 29:49

Yeah. What just might be the opposite of what you're talking about? Next question. But I'm wondering what do you think is the biggest challenge that we face in counseling and psychotherapy right now?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 30:05

Oh, I think there's a few. Okay, I think there is a challenge around our expertise being diluted, in terms of there are a lot of people who would describe themselves as having expertise and being qualified to do this and I find that a little jarring. So, experts without clinical training or having any idea of opening up something and not having the skills to know how to deal with that I find I find that really concerning. And I think there is a dilution off our amazing skill that we've worked really hard to get. So that I find concerning anyway. I think that, you know, just I just think people need to be careful about where they're getting their advice from, and who the who they're going to. And alongside that, I suppose one of the biggest challenges is, is SCoPEd. I mean, it's a big challenge for people. I have interestingly mixed feelings around it all, in one sense. I like some of the understanding about where people are, but I don't like the 'my way of working is better than your way'. That's not where I sit, it doesn't make sense for me as a person, I'm never going to subscribe to that kind of school ism of my way I'm better than you because of it. That's just not who I am. That, but it will be a challenge. You know, when I see that I see his colleagues talking about it. I've seen supervision, we're talking about it. I suppose I wonder what it will change for people who will it change these things for who is it for in a way? And fundamentally you know, I was saying to a colleague recently.'Are you on the professional register? Yes or no?' Can people work with you and know that you're working in a way that means that you're still on the professional register? Okay. So I think that's going to be a real challenge. I'm really curious about how it's going to affect people, and what it will bring up. Yeah, it's just an interesting time. There's, there's a lot of a lot going on around that, I think. And I have a sit in a place of curiosity. But yeah, I suppose I'm not sure. Not sure about it.

Peter Blundell: 32:48

And I think just a follow on what you're saying. I think up until this point, there's been a lot of theoretical discussion with news shared, and now we're kind of moving towards that. Okay, this is being implemented. Yeah, we're actually going to see what impacts that that has?

Dr Mish Seabrook: 33:03

Yeah, yeah.

Peter Blundell: 33:04

But challenging in lots of lots of different ways brings up a lot. But yeah,

Dr Mish Seabrook: 33:09

It really is. And I think it's really useful to have open discussions about that. Because for, there'll be some people that it don't feel any effects of it. And actually, I think, you know, in supervision, it might be something that you really want to discuss. And as supervisors get up to date with it, please supervisors so that, you know, you can talk about it from a place of understanding. But yeah, I kind of go, how's this going to help me serve my clients? And what will it change? And if it does change it, so I, I suppose I, I still kind of I don't know, but I know it's coming. And I know something. I feel the ripples off it within the work. So there is an evolution, I suppose off, how we might view ourselves and how we might view the profession and where we sit in that. And I think people need to have their own, again, that our relationship with it, where am I with this? And how might it affect me and my work? And what might I want to change about things or what might not need to change about things? And yeah, interesting discussions,

Peter Blundell: 34:22

And interesting times to come.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 34:25

Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

Peter Blundell: 34:28

So I suppose my last question is just really just, what else have you got coming up, especially if you're going to be doing your coaching qualification, is going to take quite a bit of time.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 34:41

And what I'm chuckling at is this, like, Okay, I'm now going to start doing this. And I've got loads of books to read and some pre course prep and stuff like that. I'm really curious about how I'll be able to bring it in to the work I want to do. I'm really there's a particular kind of, I suppose group of people I would want to serve, that I see a lot I hear a lot that perhaps I might be able to use it in terms of. So basically, it's either women entrepreneurs or women in women in business who are juggling, who do the juggle, who are looking for balance who are juggling having businesses as well as potential potential family commitments or other life commitments that they've got, and that's a real group of people that I'm really interested to see how I can and help serve that in. In coaching. I see it a lot, I suppose. And so I'm trying to I'm trying to look at best how I can best serve that, that when I hear of it a lot. So I suppose I suppose what's next for me is just keeping up with all the stuff I do around supervision, but also bringing in this element of our keeping our resilience going and how best we continue to look after ourselves. So staying with all the stuff that I'm really passionate about, but perhaps just making it clear about certain certain elements of that. So yeah, I'm looking I'm looking forward to it lots to be done, and I'm ready to learn again.

Peter Blundell: 36:24

It's exciting. You've always got so many projects on the go. So if people are interested, they should head over to your website because there's there's loads of stuff on there, do you want to say it so that it's there for

Dr Mish Seabrook: 36:34

Yeah, so my own website is MichelleSeabrook.co.uk. Or you can find me on I'm seem to be making move more on Instagram. And I don't know how I feel about X or Twitter, whatever we're calling it. And so yeah, Doctor Mish, just generally look for that. Sure. I'll pop up somewhere. But yeah, MichelleSeabrook.co.uk and also the supervision stuff is to supervisioninstitute.com. But I'm really happy for conversations and people to reach out and anything. Yeah, I suppose I see myself as in service to others and however else however I can skill up to do that. I'm always on the lookout for connection and how we can collaborate and stuff like that. I think it's so much we can we can join forces on so I look forward to what's next.

Peter Blundell: 37:22

Absolutely. Well, I'm glad we've been able to collaborate on this podcast. It's been lovely chatting to you again. And yeah, and stay in touch and thanks for coming on the therapist comnnect podcast.

Dr Mish Seabrook: 37:35

Thank you so much for having me. I really really appreciate it.

Peter Blundell: 37:39

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