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know."},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1735.18,"endTime":1736.56,"body":"I hope it's gonna be alright."},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1736.74,"endTime":1737.91,"body":"So the answer is we don't know."},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1737.91,"endTime":1739.68,"body":"And we're just gonna"},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1737.91,"endTime":1739.68,"body":"have to roll with it."},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1739.74,"endTime":1744.83,"body":"But, I guess my optimistic"},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1739.74,"endTime":1744.83,"body":"way of looking at things is"},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1744.86,"endTime":1749.78,"body":"that by virtue of being human"},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1744.86,"endTime":1749.78,"body":"beings who just, we possess"},{"speaker":"Kelli Korducki","startTime":1750.285,"endTime":1753.565,"body":"just certain intelligence"},{"speaker":"Kelli 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