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power,"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2238.2490000000003,"endTime":2240.7690000000002,"body":"but to hope itself, right?"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2240.799,"endTime":2242.159,"body":"And what are we without hope?"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2242.289,"endTime":2243.5190000000002,"body":"Just shells and husks."},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2243.8390000000004,"endTime":2244.119,"body":"Boom."},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2244.3790000000004,"endTime":2244.849,"body":"Love that."},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2245.1290000000004,"endTime":2247.9990000000003,"body":"Ken, for our listeners, where"},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2245.1290000000004,"endTime":2247.9990000000003,"body":"can they find more about the"},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2247.9990000000003,"endTime":2249.079,"body":"book, Burn that Project Down?"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2249.3390000000004,"endTime":2249.619,"body":"Great."},{"speaker":"Ken 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with"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2262.0890000000004,"endTime":2264.529,"body":"individuals that don't"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2262.0890000000004,"endTime":2264.529,"body":"have to be like-minded."},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2264.549,"endTime":2266.849,"body":"I enjoy challenging"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2264.549,"endTime":2266.849,"body":"conversations because the"},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2266.849,"endTime":2268.349,"body":"adage goes iron sharpens iron."},{"speaker":"Ken Stewart","startTime":2268.349,"endTime":2270.664,"body":"So, I welcome any conversation."},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2270.904,"endTime":2271.204,"body":"Awesome."},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2271.204,"endTime":2271.6040000000003,"body":"Love that."},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2271.6040000000003,"endTime":2273.804,"body":"I will include links"},{"speaker":"Galen Low","startTime":2271.6040000000003,"endTime":2273.804,"body":"to 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