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Chan","startTime":2804.3340000000003,"endTime":2808.4440000000004,"body":"really formally applied for a"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2808.4440000000004,"endTime":2813.9640000000004,"body":"job or a contract position type"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2808.4440000000004,"endTime":2813.9640000000004,"body":"of thing for over six years."},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2814.594,"endTime":2818.5840000000003,"body":"Maybe even longer, I can't"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2814.594,"endTime":2818.5840000000003,"body":"even remember because I just"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2818.5840000000003,"endTime":2821.735,"body":"work and talk with people to"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2818.5840000000003,"endTime":2821.735,"body":"understand what their needs are."},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2822.364,"endTime":2824.674,"body":"And it bypasses"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2822.364,"endTime":2824.674,"body":"all of those areas."},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2824.764,"endTime":2829.474,"body":"So as much as it's great to"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2824.764,"endTime":2829.474,"body":"go out there and people want"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2829.474,"endTime":2832.114,"body":"to go and hire people they"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2829.474,"endTime":2832.114,"body":"know, people that they trust,"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2832.6240000000003,"endTime":2835.6240000000003,"body":"and that's really what I think"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2832.6240000000003,"endTime":2835.6240000000003,"body":"is the bottom line for it."},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2835.8940000000002,"endTime":2837.9640000000004,"body":"They go through the interview"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2835.8940000000002,"endTime":2837.9640000000004,"body":"process to understand"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2837.9640000000004,"endTime":2838.8940000000002,"body":"can they trust you?"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2839.404,"endTime":2841.0240000000003,"body":"Can they trust you to be"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2839.404,"endTime":2841.0240000000003,"body":"able to go and get the"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2841.0240000000003,"endTime":2842.0440000000003,"body":"things we need to get done?"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2842.5840000000003,"endTime":2845.6890000000003,"body":"And if you can build that"},{"speaker":"Ben Chan","startTime":2842.5840000000003,"endTime":2845.6890000000003,"body":"up earlier, all the better."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2845.989,"endTime":2846.739,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2847.0690000000004,"endTime":2850.0690000000004,"body":"Thank you to our panelists for"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2847.0690000000004,"endTime":2850.0690000000004,"body":"volunteering their time today."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2850.309,"endTime":2851.6290000000004,"body":"Panelists, this was so much fun."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2851.6290000000004,"endTime":2852.619,"body":"It was so insightful."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2852.619,"endTime":2855.1090000000004,"body":"So thank you for sharing"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Alpaio","startTime":2852.619,"endTime":2855.1090000000004,"body":"your expertise with us today."}]}