The Bible Provocateur
The Bible Provocateur
LIVE DISCUSSION: Essential Baptism (PART 4 of 4)
A passionate theological discussion unfolds as believers wrestle with baptism's role in salvation. Is it the means by which we're saved, or our first act of obedience after salvation? This thought-provoking conversation dives deep into scripture while maintaining Christian unity despite strong disagreements.
The dialogue ignites when Greg suggests that baptism is "the response of a good conscience" rather than the cause of salvation—a perspective that meets both agreement and resistance. Lisa's powerful testimony adds a personal dimension as she shares her experience of spiritual rebirth two years before her water baptism, challenging traditional understandings of baptism's timing and purpose.
Scripture takes center stage as participants examine key passages—Peter's declaration that "baptism now saves us," Paul's description of the "washing of regeneration" in Titus, the Great Commission's sequence, and Romans 6's explanation of baptism as identification with Christ's death and resurrection. The group thoughtfully navigates the tension between salvation by grace through faith alone and baptism as an essential Christian practice.
What emerges clearly is a unified conviction that every believer should be baptized, even as opinions differ on whether salvation can exist without it. The conversation tackles challenging edge cases—battlefield conversions, deathbed professions of faith—forcing deeper reflection on God's grace beyond our theological boxes.
This dialogue demonstrates how Christians can discuss profound theological disagreements while maintaining brotherhood. As one participant beautifully concludes, our ultimate goal isn't winning theological arguments but hearing "Well done, good and faithful servant" from our Lord. For anyone seeking to understand baptism's place in Christian faith, this conversation offers rich insights while modeling respectful theological dialogue.
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Absolutely Okay, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Maybe. Oh, go ahead, greg. So it's the answer, the response of a good conscience. In other words, it's baptism is the result of something, not the cause of something. Amen, it's the result of having your conscience cleansed by faith in the blood of Christ. And the answer, the response, the result of that is submission to baptism.
Speaker 1:Yes, Jerry. Do you disagree with that or agree with it?
Speaker 3:I disagree with it. All right. I think there's a. There's not a disconnect. There's a connect. Peter is making a connection, not a disconnection, and the way Greg is explaining it is a disconnect. There's a connect. Peter is making a connection, not a disconnection, and the way Greg is explaining it is a disconnection.
Speaker 1:No, I think Greg explained it dead on.
Speaker 3:I think you asked me my mind. I know, I got, I got it. I know you do I'm asking.
Speaker 4:This is where I'm getting confused, because I agree with the gravy that it's. It's a connection, not a disconnection, but I don't hear Greg explaining a disconnection. I hear. Greg explaining where they come together at a very precise point.
Speaker 1:What? Go ahead, greg. You want to answer it, or do you want me to go ahead?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it's a connection, but you know which way is the flow going. You know I'm saying that baptism is the result of your good conscience. It's not the result of your good conscience, it's not the cause of your good conscience, it's not the cause of your salvation, it's the result, the answer, the response, like the text says Peter is using baptism.
Speaker 3:Baptism comes out of work, I wonder.
Speaker 5:What did you?
Speaker 3:say, Jerry Peter is using baptism to make that connection. That's what the baptism is for.
Speaker 2:But what does he say? He says it's the response, the result. A response comes after, not before. It's a result.
Speaker 3:I was talking earlier about, the priests had to wash themselves and consecrate themselves before they ministered for the people or in the temple. That has nothing to do with baptism. It's a cleansing In the Old Testament. That was a cleansing, that wasn't a baptism.
Speaker 4:That has to do with Jesus' baptism, not ours.
Speaker 1:Hold on, everybody. We're getting confused. Go ahead, everybody. We're getting confused. Go ahead, lisa, go ahead. What were you going to say?
Speaker 5:Big gravy. I have a question, and it's just in regards to my own salvation and what are your thoughts on it, because I don't know if you know much of my background. I'm recently born again, so I'm not a lifelong Bible reader. I was raised Catholic and I never touched the Bible. In fact, I never wanted to. I was taught that it was too holy for me, so, like I did not want to touch it, when I was born again in 2020, it happened.
Speaker 5:Anyway, I, I, just I, just I gave my life to Christ in a way that there was a big, huge change in me. There were things that I didn't really realize were fruit of the spirit at time, because it's the first time I picked up the Bible, so I've been reading ever since. But all of these things are very, very confusing to me. I was baptized as a baby and again, it didn't even occur to me until two years after I had been born again. And it wasn't because I read about it. It was because the Holy Spirit put it on my heart, read about it. It was because the Holy Spirit put it on my heart and I it was. It was crazy to me this feeling that I needed to get baptized, and so that happened two years after I know that I was saved. So my question is how? What would you say to me? Was I falsely converted all up until that time I got in the water, in, like, what would you say to that? I mean, that's my. That's basically a little bit of my true testimony.
Speaker 3:It's funny. It's not funny, but it's ironic that you're asking me that this question tonight, because I've had at least three conversations in the last three nights about the same thing that you're talking about, and so I merely pointed to the Great Commission in Matthew 28, 19, and 20, when Jesus said all power has been given unto me and he sends his apostles out to perform the Great Commission. There's three things that God prescribes he wants to happen. Number one you become a disciple, that is, a follower of Jesus, become a student of his word. Number two the second priority was to baptize all nations. Number three the third priority was to teach them the commandments of Christ. And he said Lord, I'll be with you all the way to the end of the age.
Speaker 3:Some translations says the gospel, and so the only thing I can do is tell you what the word says, and then you have to decide whether or not that's what you did. So so you know a lot of times. To me the most important question is one that Heather brought out in Acts 16 when he said, sir, what must I do to be saved? And in Acts, chapter two, when they cried out what must we do? I think you have to look at that, read it, study it, pray about it and then, you know, decide what's best for you. Let me ask you a question brother yeah so for you.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you a question, brother. So you would say that well, I guess you already answered this question. I just want to make sure I got this right. So salvation is not only because somebody wrote here in a comment. They said baptism is the remission of sin. And last time I checked, the scripture says without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. But what I hear you telling me and I don't want to put words in your mouth because I don't want you to get mad at me so what I'm asking is this so remission of sins cannot be, by your definition, the only thing that saves? It is the blood of Christ, in addition to the baptismal waters.
Speaker 3:Is that correct? Yeah, of course. First of all, I didn't say what you just said earlier, but yes, that's correct. And here's the thing about when Jesus was hanging on the cross and the two thieves were hanging by his side, the Jews demanded that they speed up death. So they went and broke the legs of the two thieves. When they came to Jesus, he was already unalive, so they pierced him in the side side and out forth came blood and water. He shed his blood in his unaliving. If you go to Romans, chapter 6, and read that, you will find that that's how you get rid of the old man and up comes the new man, through baptism. It says don't you know that you were baptized into Christ?
Speaker 3:You were baptized into his death and into his burial, and like his resurrection, you came forth having put off the old man of sin, and now you can walk in the newness of life. That's what the scripture says, that's what I believe, that's what I teach. I don't add nothing to it and I don't leave nothing.
Speaker 7:I got a question. When it's in the word of God, when it says that of which is flesh is flesh, that it is of the spirit, how can we combine something that is physical and spiritual together?
Speaker 3:That is an excellent question.
Speaker 7:Because that which of his flesh is flesh. But if it's by the spirit, then you know what I mean by that. It for salvation. So my question is. My second one is is it jesus plus nothing, or is it jesus plus something else?
Speaker 3:well you remind me. Of. A lot of times people'm surprised, have a problem answering this question when I ask them what has Jesus commanded us to do? That's not essential and not necessary.
Speaker 7:Well, when we look in the King James, it says you should do these things. You should, one should, but is it essential for salvation? That happened on that cross is salvation? Yes, and but that is obedience unto Christ, brother.
Speaker 6:It is absolutely obedience.
Speaker 7:Obedience is the next thing right.
Speaker 1:Hold on one second. I know where he's going because he's going to talk about that. Being baptized is something that we're supposed to do. That's literally the first act of obedience that we should do after coming to Christ. Amen, I agree with that. I agree too. I don't think any Christian, any true Christian, believes that we should do after coming. So I agree with that. I agree too. So thank you. Thank you. I don't think any christian, any true christian, believes that they should avoid baptism. Every true christian should seek baptism. So but when I read in, when I read in titus 3, it says here paul says after that, the kindness and love of our Savior for man appeared not by works of righteousness, which we have done, but according to his mercy. He saved us. And he says how by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy.
Speaker 3:Ghost, See John. Forgive me, brother, for interrupting, but I think these terminologies are Entrance into the.
Speaker 3:They always say we need to get rid of that slogan, and I'll tell you why. I have met literally hundreds of people who have told me when I tried to you know, encourage them to be more faithful and to be more earnest in their walk. They'll tell me say well, I know I don't go to church and I know I don't do this and do that, but I was saved when I was 13 years old and the Lord understands my heart, I get it.
Speaker 7:We got to be careful though.
Speaker 1:But here's what I want to ask you In Titus 3.5, not by works of righteousness, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us and he tells us how by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost. So is the washing in your mind? Is the washing of regeneration? Is it something spiritual, or is it water baptism? It's something spiritual, brother, I agree. I totally agree. But it refers to the work of the Holy Spirit, calling it the washing of regeneration.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why I referred you to the spiritual circumcision not made with hands during the baptism.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, so I agree with that. So what I'm trying to understand is I'm confused.
Speaker 3:You said it was about the heart. Right it is.
Speaker 1:And we agreed on that when you talked about the conscience.
Speaker 3:So Paul is letting us know that when we were baptized, god was circumcising our heart, not a physical circumcision, but a circumcision not made with hands Removing the filth of the heart. That's talking about sin.
Speaker 1:We know, because circumcision was in effect also a putting away of the filth of the flesh.
Speaker 3:We agree on that right In the Old Covenant yeah.
Speaker 1:It was a putting away of the filth of the flesh. That was a physical thing, Right.
Speaker 3:So is baptism, and this is a spiritual thing that happens while you're being baptized.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't, because the spiritual thing takes place before you get into baptismal waters, otherwise, you wouldn't get in there.
Speaker 3:Well, when we talk about being saved by grace through faith, you get faith by the hearing of the word of God and I don't get faith by baptism. I understand from the gospel of John that the words that I speak are spirit and they are life. Right, that's what Peter was speaking Words of the spirit and life on the day of Pentecost. I agree.
Speaker 1:I totally agree.
Speaker 3:Totally agree.
Speaker 4:All right, brother, let's shake hands and get something cold to sip on. I mean I'm laughing, but I got a whole other scripture that I want to throw in the middle between you two.
Speaker 6:Go ahead.
Speaker 4:Isaiah 55.
Speaker 1:between you two, go ahead, isaiah 55, and I think it starts in like verse 10, um, but where it says like the the snow goes down to the earth I'm sorry, you said isaiah 55 all right
Speaker 4:the whole chapter is about the word that's being sent right and and about verse 10. It should say something along the lines of like the snow that falls down to the earth from the heaven and does not return, but waters thereof right, bringing seed to the sower and bread to the eater. So again, we know the water right, the renewing of the mind, the washing by the water of the word, the living waters right, and at the same time you have the seed is the word of God, you have the bread of life, and in John 6, he is the bread of life. We see in Jeremiah 15, 16, your words were found and I ate them. They became to me a joy and a delight in my heart, for I'm called by your name, o Lord, god of hosts. So everything about this should always go back to the word.
Speaker 4:And I think that if we go to Hebrews 6 and the end of 5, but the beginning of 6, and it talks about the elementary doctrines of Christ, the elementary teachings, one of which is the washings right. But the apostle said but let us move on if possible, like let us move on to perfection, but what are the things of perfection? Within the word, we have perfect peace. He keeps in perfect peace those whose minds are stayed on them because they trust him. You have perfect love right that casts out all fear. You have his grace is sufficient and power made perfect. All those things are within. All those things will pierce the heart. That pricking of the heart, circumcision of the heart, the judging of the thoughts and the attitudes of the heart, and so I think it. Anytime we try to remove any of that process, we're telling God I want a, b and C, but I don't want everything that you have for me, because there's nothing within his word that's not beneficial to the believer right.
Speaker 1:Very good heavens. I appreciate that. You see, I can't tell you how much it does for my heart, my soul, to have this kind of a conversation and so and so, and like I said and I meant this when I said earlier to everybody here my position is that baptism number one baptism is really the first act of obedience that every Christian should be ready and eager and anxious to do, every Christian. So I want to make that clear. Number one everybody should be baptized. It is something, it is a first act of obedience.
Speaker 1:If you are a Christian here and you haven't been baptized, I don't understand why you would not want to be. But that's between you and your God. But we are clearly told and I know I'm not having a disagreement with at least Jerry here on this issue that we have to be be that we should be baptized. There's no excuse for it. That being said, number two my position is there are a myriad reasons why a person Can be saved, be saved apart from baptism Death killed on a battlefield, which I'm familiar with from my time in the service accidents, any number of reasons, a special need, any number of special needs, any number of reasons, and none of those reasons that would prevent a person from being baptized would not prevent a person from believing.
Speaker 3:I agree with that analogy, but I'd like to respond in this way.
Speaker 1:Hold on, I'm going to finish right here because I'm going to let you have your last word and you can say that yes, sir, so what? So what I want to say is this what I want to say is this what I want to say is this I have I will never accept. I will never accept that the Bible teaches because I don't believe it does that if you haven't been baptized you're damned, regardless of if you believe or not. I do believe. He does not. I do believe.
Speaker 1:I do believe, like what Greg said, and I think he put it perfectly that baptism is not the means to the end that we're pursuing. It is the other way around Receiving the end of our faith, which is salvation, leads us to go being baptized. Sinners are going around saying I want to be baptized, believers are, but the idea that a believer who is not baptized can be lumped into the same camp as the wicked unbelievers, I can't reconcile that and it can't be reconciled Now. That's the Bible provocateur perspective. At this point, at the time of night, I want to close up and this is where I give everybody their last word, not dissertations. Guess your last word. So let me start with Jerry, because I don't want him to forget what he was about to say, so this is the last word before we close up for tonight.
Speaker 3:I've already forgot one part, but you know, jerry, don't do dissertations, so let me be quick about this. When you study the book of Acts, you will find and I want you to tell me if I'm mistaken if you study it, you will find that in every single example of conversion someone responding to the gospel they were baptized immediately, whether it was morning, noon or night. The other point I want to make is when you talk about somebody on the battlefield or somebody that has been here and been there, you don't know how many times they've heard the gospel and rejected it. You have no way of knowing that. And so it's, the Bible says, the day you hear my voice harden, not your heart. Today is the day of salvation and now is the acceptable time. When you have that opportunity, you have to grab it.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I wish I was going longer, because I would seriously jump on that one.
Speaker 3:I love this line. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:I love you guys. Thanks, Brother Jerry. I appreciate you being here. Man, I really do Candy, last word Candy girl.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I really do, candy. Last word, candy girl. Yeah, I'm saying from my raising and being baptized it's you're saved. When you're baptized you wash away your own, you begin new, you're born with Christ. It's also a public confession where other Christians now see you are a Christian as well. It's like a unification to the body of Christ and it's receiving the Holy Spirit to the point of it brings the guidance and the power and the comfort. I mean it's receiving the Holy Spirit to the point of it brings the guidance and the power and the comfort. I mean you don't have to have it, I think, to go to heaven or to be saved, because, as Jesus was on the cross and the guy next to him says, you know, he wanted to go to paradise too, and Jesus says today he will be there, he wasn't baptized.
Speaker 1:I agree so.
Speaker 6:I look at it to that extent too. And then you have people that could be on their deathbed and they actually get saved before they take their last breath. They don't get baptized, but does that mean they don't go to heaven?
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't.
Speaker 6:Again going way back to the old school.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 6:It's an identification where we are taking our flesh and dying with cross death and arising anew, just like 2 Corinthians 5.17 says.
Speaker 1:New creation.
Speaker 6:You better know it. Yeah, thank you, sister, the old is the old, and we've become a new creature in Christ. Amen Appreciate that and it's again, the most important, it's a confession of your faith. Yep, like you are publicly announcing, you have chosen God and Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 6:That's what it's about to me.
Speaker 1:I agree with you 120%, Nicole. Last word.
Speaker 6:I was just going to say, like I do feel like the baptism is in the Holy Spirit and having faith and faith alone, and also like hanging on those two words, those two covenants, like to love God the way he loved us and to love everybody else the same way.
Speaker 8:Amen.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you being here. I missed you in the last few days. You know I keep it short and sweet.
Speaker 5:Sister Lisa, last word. Well, I was just gonna say I believe that, um, when you receive the holy spirit, the baptism of the holy spirit is when you are born again, and for me, I was water baptized. Two years after that fact, I can with 100 certainty say that I am born again, I am saved by my Lord and my Lord and savior, jesus, through nothing I have done, and it was the most amazing thing for me, and, and, like candy girl just said, it's a, it's a public declaration, confession to the world that you're a follower of Jesus, and and I live that way, and, and, and I just encourage anybody here that's not baptized and um, to do it. It was one of the greatest days of my life and, jonathan, I thank you because you were the first. Jonathan was the first person on Tik TOK, my first brother in Christ. I didn't know him at the time I just posted. I was so excited about my baptism and Jonathan chimed in and the rest is history. He's my BFF ever since.
Speaker 5:So, thank you. Thank you for letting me all the time be here I love it.
Speaker 1:Thank you, sister. Meg last word.
Speaker 7:All right, I'm going to go to something that somebody said in the comments and say their last words. Blazing Rose Kelly said my last word would be be baptized and submerged in living water, which is spirit, truth and power, and mine would be in the words of our Lord and Savior. And Brother Gravy, lean not on your own understanding, using his words, yeah but in all your ways acknowledge him, amen.
Speaker 3:Why does? She think that's my word.
Speaker 7:No, I said in the words of my Lord and Savior.
Speaker 7:Because I think that this is one of these things that you know we have to lean, not on our own understanding, because you know, there's so many things I myself, personally have had to come out of a belief, being indoctrinated by the Catholic church for years, when I was, you know, younger. Um, and it was something the other night, something so small that I was like man. I thought that when I was a little kid and I had to come out of it. Um, and it's a great thing, it's a really good feeling to know that, like as a child, we thought like a child when we accepted these things because we heard them and taught them.
Speaker 7:But then, when we move on to maturity, we realized that we have to go into the scriptures for ourself. The Bible says to study, to show yourself approved unto God and not man. We're not here to please man, we're here. We're here to please the Lord, and that's what our heart's desire is. So I just encourage everybody to continue to be the Berean that Paul loved and get in your scripture and read Let the Holy Spirit reveal all things and lead you and guide you into all truth.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that sister. Appreciate it. Meg Brother, Greg. Last word.
Speaker 2:Okay. So Peter says baptism now saves us. Well, Paul says to Timothy let the women be silent in church. The women shall be saved through childbearing. So is that how women get saved? Through having babies? Because if so, we can get a whole bunch of guys way more involved in evangelism. Because if so, we can get a whole bunch of guys way more involved in evangelism. So all that to say this, even the word save doesn't always refer to eternal salvation. It's true, that's all. So, yeah, we're justified by faith. That's it, Not of works. Baptism is a work. There you go.
Speaker 1:It's true, brother Mark, last word.
Speaker 8:Hey, man, I was going to bring that text up. Greg stole it from me, I think. To go back to the text we were using, I think it is important that we understand and put words in context. I was going to use what Greg used, but also we find in Luke 23, 35, when Jesus was hanging on a cross and those that stood around, they said that he saved the other, let him save himself. So does that mean that that word saved there does not mean deliverance or anything like that, or does it mean that eternal security which Jesus is trying to save his soul? You know, the very son of God who was before creation? So I think it's important to look at words in their passages and, like you said, that word is only used twice in the scriptures. Right, and I would also say that I think we have to understand the difference, jonathan, between salvation, which is by grace, through faith, and understand the difference between that and what discipleship is.
Speaker 8:Matthew 28 and 19,. We have three clauses there. Me and Meg talked about this last night. In the first clause we find Jesus says to go make disciples Right. The second clause says to go make disciples Right. The second clause is to baptize disciples. And then the third is to teach them to obey all that I've commanded. So, like you said, I've never baptized an unbeliever, Never seen unbelievers come to church wanting to be baptized. Romans 8 teaches us that the natural man can't even obey the things of God. And to finish up here, I think Paul understood this teaching clearly, because he also says that Christ did not send me to baptize. And then we have the conjunction but to preach the gospel. So Paul understood the difference between salvation and discipleship. So I think it's important for us to understand the difference and not mix them up.
Speaker 1:God bless you. Appreciate that Mark, appreciate that Heaven's life, you get the grand finale.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm going to take it back all the way to the beginning of the conversation. All right, I'm going to take it back all the way to the beginning of the conversation.
Speaker 8:All right.
Speaker 4:And I'm going to say that there is only one baptism that is necessary for my salvation, and that was the baptism of Jesus, to fulfill all righteousness, right, and I think that in that place we are hearers and doers. I think it is a walk of faith, but comes by hearing, hearing by the word, and I love how john the baptist says and and I'm going to misquote this, but it says, um, something about the friend of the bridegroom, and he rejoices to hear his, his voice, right, that, that part, and I, and I think of that, and you know, it's that still small voice within that that guides us into, into all truth right um and it's to abide in the word.
Speaker 4:You are truly a disciple.
Speaker 1:Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free amen and we know it's the son who sets us free, so amen well, I thank you for that word and I picked you last because this is your first time up here, at least in a while anyway. So I appreciate the input that you gave us tonight and I appreciate the input that everybody gave tonight and I truly meant it when I said that. Like I said, jerry and I have a difference of opinion on this whole thing, but I encourage you to talk to this brother about because he's he's, he's a, he's a wealth of knowledge and and besides, anybody here, everybody here should go to anybody. If they see a different perspective that they haven't heard or they want to investigate, I encourage it.
Speaker 1:That's what this is for to provoke, to provoke thought to make, to have Christians go back to a time where we were thinking people. Right now, generally speaking, most Christians today aren't thinking people, at least ones, at least not the ones I know. You know it's like I was told this, I was raised this way, I this, whatever, but we need to go back to a time where we were thinking people. It's not wrong to think.
Speaker 4:You know what? I just wanted to say? This one last thing I'm having something about the book of Joseph.
Speaker 8:Joseph.
Speaker 4:Particularly you mean the story of Joseph. I'm not saying right now, I'm just saying like, if, like the next time, if you could just yeah Talk about.
Speaker 1:Joseph.
Speaker 8:Yes.
Speaker 1:You know, the funny thing is I started a series on Joseph about two weeks ago and I don't know how I got distracted from it, but I still got all my notes, because I always keep my notes with me, whatever. But I love the story of Joseph. I don't think that there's any more. I don't think anybody in the Old Testament typifies Christ more so than Joseph.
Speaker 4:Right and that was what I like, so right. So we like I don't want to open up a can of worms right now because I know it's late, but yeah, if that could be and I know you said you did that two weeks ago I probably wasn't on.
Speaker 1:No, I started it, but I just never. I somehow got distracted because of the Daniel 70 weeks, but I started with Joseph. So never I. Somehow I got distracted because of the daniel 70 weeks, but I started with joseph. So, um, but you basically just gave me a, a good reason to pick it up again. So I will and um and uh, I'll definitely do that. So I appreciate you bring that up, nicole, because actually that's where I was. I wanted to spend a few weeks on joseph, um, but anyway, that being said, I want to Again thank you Everybody for coming on here, and you know it's good to have these kind of discussions, whether they get heated or not.
Speaker 1:That's what we're supposed to do, you know. But, like somebody said earlier about Studying the word of God, search the scriptures and things like that, that's all I want to promote and I want people to be able to walk away from here tonight, whether they're listening outside of our conversation or people on the conversation check these things out to see whether they're true, test the truth and verify, and so that's what we're supposed to do and help each other grow, because you never know, somebody might come to you one day and say you know what? Now I get it. Somebody might come to you and say, nope, you got it wrong and this is what we are supposed to do. So that's all I want to say about that, and I want everybody here for your kind attention, like always, and continue to be in prayer, continue to be in the word of God and continue to try to make fellowship enjoyable with everybody that we come into contact with, especially those who are of the household of faith.
Speaker 7:And one more thing.
Speaker 1:Go ahead.
Speaker 7:I think, the ultimate goal. I know mine personally. I have one goal in this entire world. What's that? To hear the words you, good and faithful servant, you may now enter into the joy of the Lord.
Speaker 1:Amen, sister, there is no greater closing than that one, so I would reserve I will not use my usual last words because I do not want to step on the glory of the Lord. So God bless you all and I look forward to the next time we get together on here, which hopefully, god willing, I'll be here tomorrow for those of you who are inclined to do so. But look forward to it. So God bless you all and I hope you all have a tremendous great night. Jerry, I love you, brother, love you too, brother, Alright man.
Speaker 1:You guys take it easy Love you.