The Bible Provocateur
The Bible Provocateur
70 Weeks: Bringing in Everlasting Righteousness (PART 2 of 4) LIVE!
Dive into one of Christianity's most profound mysteries: can a true believer ever lose their salvation? Our panel of theology enthusiasts tackles this question with remarkable clarity, examining the nature of Christ's righteousness and how it's applied to believers.
The conversation distinguishes between positional and practical Christianity—how we stand before God versus how we live daily. As one participant powerfully states, "If it were possible for me to fall from salvation, to lose the righteousness I've been given—if it's up to me to maintain that righteousness—I would never keep it." This sentiment captures the heart of grace-based salvation that many believers struggle to fully embrace.
We explore Matthew 6:33's command to "seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness," emphasizing that crucial possessive pronoun—it's His righteousness we receive, not our own we establish through works. This distinction revolutionizes how we understand our standing before God.
The discussion takes an unexpected turn as we examine the kingdom of God, challenging the common belief that God's kingdom is exclusively a future reality. Jesus clearly taught the kingdom was present in His ministry and continues today: "The kingdom is at hand"—not thousands of years in the future, but right now, with Christ currently "ruling and reigning until all enemies are put underneath his feet."
Perhaps most comforting is our exploration of biblical peace—not merely absence of worry, but a fundamental change in our relationship with God. We were at war with Him through our sin, but Christ's work brings permanent reconciliation. As one participant beautifully explains, "It's not a temporary ceasefire; God has ended the war."
Join us for this transformative conversation that will deepen your understanding of grace, righteousness, and the present reality of God's kingdom.
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okay, it's like nothing that we can do to get us into heaven. It's what the grace of the lord did, what he did on the cross. You know, it's like it's his blood. People, even the catholics, they always argue about no, you have to be baptized in the water to go to heaven. It's like no, it's only the holy spirit, his blood. You get baptized in his blood. You don't understand that because they don't open their heart to it well, see here's.
Speaker 2:Well see, here's something that we should think about, Because if, as my brother said, that there is still some degree of obedience or lack of obedience to God's law, that will always take us out of the mix, and so we open up another can of worms which is like so I can be saved today and not save tomorrow, save the next day and not saved the day after that. This weekend I'm not saved.
Speaker 3:Now, Jonathan, you know I don't believe that.
Speaker 2:No, I know, Jerry. See, here's the thing. Let me talk to him for a second. I know you don't believe that, jerry. I know you don't. I've listened to you long enough to know you don't believe that. But I think that what's happening is there is a conflation that is going on between practical Christianity and positional Christianity. So so so when we talk about the righteousness of Christ that we, that we get, it is not that he makes us inherently righteous, he makes us righteous in him and before the father, but we still, like Lisa said, we still sin. So I know you don't believe like that, I know you don't believe that, but this is the issue that really needs to be clear to people, because we have to tell people and our witness what these things are.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:I don't know how I would ever explain to somebody you have everlasting righteousness when you see this here. And then I tell that person well, you know, let's slow down. Christ did as much as he can do, and now the rest of it is up to you.
Speaker 4:Amen, amen, amen.
Speaker 6:Can I say one thing Hold on, hold on, hold on, let. Did I ask?
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on. Let me go to Jerry now. I know he wants to say something, so when Brian was speaking.
Speaker 3:After I spoke. Brian, we haven't had a conversation like you and I have. But I want to say to you, brian, I totally agree with what you said about it's a done deal, said about it's a done deal. But the part that you went down the plank of if you sin one minute and don't sin, I don't work down that kind of plank at all. I know when the righteous fall down several times, they get up. I also know that, according to 1 John, god tells us, if we walk in the light and he's faithful, to forgive us of our sins, if we repent. I don't look at it as, oh, I've lost my salvation. I don't think like that. I think in terms of 1 John, if. That word if means a lot to me.
Speaker 2:Well, we talked about that too. But see, I see that differently. I have, I see that differently. Yeah, I don't see the if being the if of condition. I see the if being since since if it's different, and so now I'm not saying that there are some times where it isn't.
Speaker 2:But we also, we also know those of us who spend a lot of time in the word of God, we also understand and I know it's cliche to say but understand context. But if does not does not always mean uh, the if of condition. In fact, more often than not, it mentions since s-i-n-c-e. Since we continue in the faith, since we abide in christ, not if we abide in christ. We are either in christ or we're not. So when the scripture talks about if we abide in Christ, it's saying since you abide in me, do these things. But I also understand that on the practical side of things we have to. We understand At least I do.
Speaker 2:I don't want to speak for my brother Jerry, or anybody else for that matter.
Speaker 2:What I believe the scripture teaches us plainly is that, yeah, there are warnings, there are billboards in our, in our spiritual life, where God is telling us don't go this way, it's bad news.
Speaker 2:If you do, it's trouble.
Speaker 2:But what I also understand is that God gives us his Holy Spirit for a reason To guide, to convince, to teach and to drive us where we need to go.
Speaker 2:And so and that pathway is going to be fraught with a lot of, with a lot of sin, which is why, when you read, when you read Romans 7, paul goes through great pains to describe the back and forth between sin and living a holy life. When he talks about, when he talks about what I want to do, I don't do what I don't do I want to do, this is the struggle that only a regenerate man has so built into the schematic of our righteousness. It is understood that we are going to go in and out and always getting buffeted by sin all the time, but god has given us the the ability to discern what it is that we, that we need to be with relationship to him from the heart, and christ was always talking about the heart would you allow me to share just two passages, just to, so the panel can see the framework from what I'm thinking uh-huh go ahead okay.
Speaker 3:so the first one I would look at is timothy's relationship to paul, that he called his son In 1 Timothy 4, verse 16,. This is what he told Timothy. He said take heed to yourself and to the doctrine, continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who fear you. Right, and so I looked at that. And then I looked at James chapter five. Um, I got five days, james chapter five, verse 18 and 19. I believe it is.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Uh, it says uh, verse 19,. Uh, brethren, well, look at verse 9. Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. And then, in verse 19, it says brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone turns him back and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sin. Ok, so that's just the framework in which I respond. I just don't believe. If it's a done deal, like everybody's saying, why does God go through so much trouble to warn you? It's over 50 warnings.
Speaker 2:I'll put it to you this way Believe me, when I get done with this series, this is a subject that I'm going to dedicate to this right here. Losing salvation I don't believe in it at all, can't happen. I want to give my brother Jerry a chance to respond. And we're going to talk about this because you know, because I want to show what these warnings mean and how they're to be used and how they're to be obeyed and followed, and all that kind of stuff. But what I can never concede to, which I will make clear, you know and you know, but I want to get my brother his saying this as well, and you know, but I want to get my brother his saying this as well. But I see no possible way that a truly blood-bought Christian can ever turn away from the faith Ever.
Speaker 3:The warnings make me stronger.
Speaker 2:Well, the warning should make us all strong. But here's the thing If it were possible for me, if it were possible for me to fall from the salvation, to lose the righteousness that I've been given, if it's up to me to maintain that righteousness, I would never keep it.
Speaker 4:I would lose it.
Speaker 2:I would never keep it.
Speaker 3:You see, I'm thinking in the framework of covenant. I understand I'm looking at the same righteous God in the Old Testament'm thinking in the framework of covenant. I understand I'm looking at the same righteous God in the Old Testament. Even in the Garden of Eden, right God had a. It wasn't like a. He took care of everything.
Speaker 2:but it still was not a one-way deal. No, here's what I'm saying, jerry. I'm not saying that we don't have any responsibility. I'm not saying I think we definitely have responsibility as Christians. I'm just saying that the righteousness that Christ gave us, there is no possible way to say that he paid for all of our sin but then to have some of our sin left unpaid, because that's the only way that we can perish. That's the only way we can perish is if he did not take away all of our sin. So there are some people who say that when Christ died and when we came to believe in his death as our salvation, then our sins were only cleansed up to the time we believed. There are people who believe that.
Speaker 3:I need you, and maybe the preacher or somebody, to help me out, because I may. My recollection may not be accurate. Is there a scripture that says that God forgave us of our sins that were past? Yeah, he did OK, and so Romans three Right, so that's?
Speaker 2:like a fresh start.
Speaker 6:But that's not what that's talking about. Like a fresh start, but that's not what that's talking about. You really, you uh host, you really don't uh read about the forgiveness of sins, and in any length, until you come to the new Testament.
Speaker 2:Right, but with the, but with the, let me. Let me. Let me just uh read one thing about Jerry was talking about, because he says that it says uh in romans 3, verse uh 25 I think it is. He says being justified freely by his grace through the redemption, that is, in christ jesus, whom god supports to be a propitiation by his blood through faith to demonstrate his righteousness, because in the forbearance god had passed over the sins that were previously committed. So he's not talking about our previous sins prior to our salvation. He's talking about the sins committed by the old testament, saints. That's what he's talking about where is that passage?
Speaker 2:that brother is rom roman is romans 3, verses 24 through 26. Um so um, but anyway, let me get back to the righteousness thing, because I want to prove this part of it anyway, because we, jerry and I, are going to deal with this later now, bringing in everlasting righteousness. Matthew 6 says something most of us know in verse 33. Lisa, do you have your Bible with you, by any chance, sister?
Speaker 8:I do. What did you say, Matthew?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Matthew 6.
Speaker 8:I know, right there, matthew 6.
Speaker 6:Does anybody else?
Speaker 2:have a Bible with them as well? Yeah, I have Bible works. Can you open up Romans 14 when you get a chance?
Speaker 6:Yeah, Romans 14. Any verse?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be verse 17, after I talked about this other verse.
Speaker 6:first All right, yeah, I can do that. Romans 14. 17. No, there is no 17 Romans.
Speaker 2:Romans 14. All right, verse 17. Gotcha, yeah, so Lisa, go ahead and read verse 33.
Speaker 8:All right Let me get there hold on.
Speaker 6:I'm scrolling here you want me to do it in greek?
Speaker 2:no, okay, but seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you so when we talk about, about seeking first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and it says all these things will be added unto you, which is gaining the kingdom and getting his righteousness, seeking after the kingdom of god. So but my point in this, in this, the point in this that I'm that I'm trying to bring out and trying to extrapolate from this, is the fact that this is something that we get in this lifetime. It's something that we get, that christians get now, today. So the reason why that can happen is because of what we've been talking about already, what christ has already done, his finished work. So so we are always supposed to be in a state of seeking his kingdom and seeking his righteousness.
Speaker 2:Now, I think that, in a lot, this will, this will comport with some of what jerry's saying, because I think that this is, this is more encompassing of how we are to behave ourselves as righteous christians, as those who have been saved by the righteousness of Christ. So we we have to continue to live a righteous life, a godly life, all of the fragility that comes along with ourselves being still tainted by sin. Does anybody else have a different perspective? Does anybody else have a different?
Speaker 8:perspective. May I just add that I agree 100 percent, but but I will say it's the Holy Spirit within us that helps us to be successful in living righteously. It's not anything that we decide now and we're doing on our own volition.
Speaker 2:It is. It is the Holy Spirit within us, right? I agree with that, um greg. What do you think, greg? On matthew 633 okay, you ready yes, sir okay.
Speaker 9:So in the sermon on the mount right I'm, this is going to be a little long, but I'll try to make it shorter. Okay, so Jesus isn't giving a prescription to how to be made right with God. What he's doing is he's talking to people who are under the Old Covenant, under the Mosaic Law, the old covenant, under the Mosaic law, and he's demonstrating to them the impossibility of being made righteous through that and to. And he's talking to people who actually think that they're doing it. So that's why he says things like oh, like they think they haven't committed adultery because they haven't slept with the woman. He says guess what, If you even look with lust, you're guilty, right, right. So his whole point in the Sermon on the Mount is to drive home the impossibility of attaining righteousness through the law. So, that being said, seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these things. What things? The things he was talking about before, right, take no thought of what you shall eat, what you shall wear, right? That kind of stuff, right? So does that make sense?
Speaker 2:It makes perfect sense. I'm going to tell you what I really like about the destination, which really is all good, all of it, but what I really like, what really stood out to me, was the part when you put the emphasis on seeking the first kingdom of God and his righteousness Right, not our own Seeking his Mark, brother, mark. What's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 7:How is everyone? I'm doing all right, brother.
Speaker 2:How are you?
Speaker 7:doing, I'm doing good. And just what you, just what you said is it doesn't in that text. It doesn't say our righteousness, right. It says his righteousness in the. How do we do that? By trusting in the finished work, um, at calvary, and as plain as I can say it, and that's how we seek his righteousness and that righteousness that he imputes to us, free nothing of ourselves, right.
Speaker 2:See, it's funny how you can read a verse over and over again and when somebody reads it in a way, in such a way where they put emphasis on a particular word, it helps. It helps reshape and hopefully solidify something you've already understood. So when he, when he, when Greg, read it that way, it really pops a lot. See, his righteousness is because, left to having to try to fulfill some sort of righteousness that is needed in addition to the righteousness that christ came, that christ provided we would be, I, I feel we would all be left in our sin. If that were the case and I know, and I know my brother doesn't, doesn't believe that- at all.
Speaker 2:So I don't want to, I don't want to try to imply that in some secret way. Uh, jerry, I'm not saying that. So I know where your heart is. Brother, I really do so, brother, preacher Dan, read Romans, chapter 14, verse 17.
Speaker 6:For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2:Okay, so now let me ask.
Speaker 6:Can I add something to it? Sure, go ahead. Okay, so all of the New Testament and the Old Testament is grouped in stories, okay, to kind of, you know, bring it all together. And I find it interesting that this, the one that I just read to you, is grouped in a story called Do Not Make Another Stumble. Okay, and that goes pretty far and wide of just the words that I read, right.
Speaker 2:So let me ask I haven't talked to my brother mitch yet. Mighty mitch, what's your thoughts on? On the verse he just read? For the kingdom of god is not meat and drink, but righteousness and peace and joy in the holy ghost um, I can't add to that.
Speaker 10:It is what it is.
Speaker 2:See, I love getting around people like that. That's how I am Quick and dry, quick and dirty.
Speaker 10:Yes, sir.
Speaker 2:So you know, here's something that I think is really interesting, because in Matthew 6, the verse that Lisa read, seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and then here, the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, peace and joy in the holy ghost.
Speaker 2:But one thing that I want to bring out here is the kingdom of god part amen I want to bring out the kingdom of god part, because here's the thing, this also, when we tie in righteousness out of here, out of out of daniel 9, everlasting righteousness being brought in by the, by the death and resurrection of our lord and savior, but there's, there's something about righteousness being tied to the kingdom, all right and so and so, and we see this theme a lot, we'll see it again, but we see this a lot. So my question is this what do we mean when we talk about the kingdom of God? What are we? What are we? What are we talking about? Esco?
Speaker 5:Well, you know, the kingdom of God and his righteousness are the two main key words in that whole sentence. When you're seeking his kingdom, you're seeking the oneness with him. You know and trusting in what his finished work was, and that's righteousness. You know the grace is mercy and you're seeking that. I think that's the king, because the kingdom is within you and you are becoming one with him. Amen, brother, and that right there is unbreakable through the righteousness, his righteousness not of our works, but of his and his finished work on the cross now let now I don't.
Speaker 2:I know I'm going to ask another question, but but I'm afraid to because I think it's gonna open up a can of worms. But I'm I'll cut it short if it gets crazy. So here's the thing when we read Revelation 20, chapter 20, which we dealt with about a week or so ago, we talked a little bit about it and in fact it was the last message. The last session we had before we started this one, the last session we had before we started this one, we talked about the 1,000-year reign, which most people believe is the kingdom of God, which is coming in the future. So when we talk about the premillennialism or postmillennialism, those pre and postmillennialisms are all based on the fact of an expectation of a future kingdom on earth. So my question is this in the verses that we just read, is this talking about the same kingdom or is it a different kingdom?
Speaker 2:Let me let me hold on, hold on one second. Let me ask Jerry what do you think, Jerry?
Speaker 3:Uh, uh, forgive me, brother, I was. I was reading, uh, the scripture you gave me in, brother. I was reading the scripture you gave me in Romans. I was concentrating on that. What are you asking? If one of the in verse 24, if one of this is talking about the church?
Speaker 2:No what I'm saying is in Matthew 6, 33, seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness will be added unto you. Romans 14, 17 says for the kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Ghost. So my question is this Revelation talks about in Revelation 20, about a what we call the millennial kingdom, but it speaks of it in terms of the 1000 year kingdom on earth. And a lot of people believe, a lot of Christians today believe that the kingdom of the kingdom of God spoken about in revelation, or the millennial reign, that that's going to be the kingdom of God on earth, on earth later, at a later date, when, by the way, christians today can never be here now. So my question is this what's the difference between the regardless of how you interpret the timing what's the difference between revelation 20s millennial kingdom versus the kingdom that is spoken about here in Matthew and in Romans and elsewhere? Is it a different kingdom? What does millennial kingdom mean? Well, millennium just means 1000.
Speaker 3:I don't believe. I just simply. I told you I was a simpleton brother. I just believe in Thessalonians. When Jesus comes back, we're going to meet him in the air. That's it.
Speaker 2:See, I agree with you. I agree with you, but what that suggests is this. What that suggests is that, well, hold on, let me stop for a minute. I'm going to stop talking to myself. Brian, go ahead, answer that. What do you think?
Speaker 4:You teed it all the way up, bursting at the scene.
Speaker 7:Okay.
Speaker 4:Everybody think about this. We all know the scriptures, y'all. When Jesus came, what did he say? He said the kingdom is at hand, which means it's right here, it's getting ready to happen. He didn't say it's going to happen 2000, 3000, however many thousand years in the future. He said it's right now. This is so important because it represents who Christ is and what he ushered in. He is ruling and reigning now until all enemies are put underneath his feet. That's what.
Speaker 4:Revelation says Satan was bound, he's tied up, he can't deceive, he's not ruling like he was before Christ came, him coming in the flesh, not only paid the penalty for our sins, but it's him restoring the whole world back the way it's supposed to be, to his kingdom. Everything he wants to rule and reign now through the Holy Spirit, through his church and his whole world. Think about it, y'all. He took 12 apostles and look where we are now, look where the church is and how many souls have been saved just from the time that Jesus came on the earth and how much the gospel message has spread throughout the whole world. We look at everything that's happening in the world and we always say, oh, this bad thing happened here, right. We look, we look at everything that's happening in the world and we always say, all this bad thing happening here, man, right. We don't know how much of the grace of god is everywhere it's beautiful because we you have to you.
Speaker 2:Here's the questions that have to be asked. That has to be asked. I have the worst time saying that word, but anyway the question is either either we are in the kingdom of god now and there's another one coming in the future, and if the one that comes in the future is the one spoken about in John, when Jesus talks about it in John 18 and in Luke 17, he talks about it. He makes it very clear. He says that his kingdom number one was not of this world Number two. He said his kingdom does not come with outward show, no outward pomp and the glory, like in the days of David and those kings. He says that the kingdom of God Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you.
Speaker 2:He also said that if he in Matthewew 12, he said, told the pharisees, if I'm casting out demons by the spirit of god contrary to what you're saying, which is that I'm casting out demons by the power of demons he says the kingdom has come unto you. The kingdom, if I'm, if what you're, if what I am doing is the work of the holy Spirit at my hand, then that means the kingdom of God has come unto you, it's here. Like Brother Brian said, it's here. So that leads us to another conclusion about how most people look at the Revelation 20 interpretation of the millennial kingdom, or the kingdom, or the 1000 year kingdom, thousand year kingdom. They either they, they, they, they it has. They have to be the same, because if there's more than one kingdom, then that would imply that christ had a kingdom that at one point or another failed or turned into something different the kingdom inside of you is eternal, eternal, it's eternal.
Speaker 2:It's going from this one to that one exactly, and you know, and we read here in romans 14, 7, uh, 17, the kingdom of god is is not about meat and drink, but it's about righteousness, peace and joy in the holy ghost. Now we we're talking about righteousness for the first part in this discussion, but I also want to bring up something here about that. The kingdom of God is also peace in the Holy Ghost Righteousness, joy and peace. So let me, let me. I want to go around. I want to ask everybody this question and just be brief on it. What does peace in the Bible mean? What does peace mean for the Christian? I'll start with you, lisa. What does peace in the Bible mean? What does peace mean for the Christian? I'll start with you, lisa. What does peace mean?
Speaker 8:It's calm, it's the opposite of worry.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I'm not articulate, sorry.
Speaker 2:That's all right. You're doing all right, Jerry. What do you think the Bible is teaching us when it says we have peace in the Holy Ghost. We have peace.
Speaker 3:I have a clear conscience and I can approach my God.
Speaker 2:Amen brother, amen Greg. What do you say?
Speaker 9:Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And it's you know, it's Shalom peace. It's. It's not a temporary ceasefire, it's actual. You know, god has ended the war Right. We're no longer hostile toward him. We're no longer enemies of God in our minds. It's. It's a settled. We're no longer enemies of God in our minds. It's. It's a settled. It's a settled disposition of God towards the former sinner right. That, um, it's a. The war is over.
Speaker 2:Does anybody here agree with that? Or I should say does anybody here disagree with that? Nope, because you do, esco, no, I don't. Okay, ok. So I think the great hit it right on the head. He said it perfectly, and so did Jerry. He brought it up. Peace has to do with that reconciliation that we get when we come to Christ. He reconciles us to God, and he reconciles us to God, which establishes peace, and he reconciles us to God, which establishes peace. Why peace? Because we were at war with God by our sin. So we were. We had the war. We had our war against God until we were arrested and subdued by Christ and made his captives. But that brought us peace with God, and that's right. Peace is tied into that reconciliation, that we are no longer at war with God, we are acceptable and and the the the war is over. There's no peace treaty. We are now family forever with him.
Speaker 10:So when you're talking about reconciliation, how are you? You know, I know people take because Christ died. It was this reconciliation for us. Is that what we're?
Speaker 2:saying you mean, what do you mean for us? You mean believers or you mean everybody?
Speaker 10:Yeah, and that's what I'm trying to get a feel on. When we talk about, people use Christ in a general sense when it comes to salvation, as if there is nothing you have to do for this reconciliation Right.
Speaker 2:Well, here's what I. There is nothing you have to do for this reconciliation, right? Well, I I. Here's what I think about reconciliation that it is part of it, is it? Those who are reconciled to God are those who come to God by faith in his son. And when we come to faith, when we come to faith in God by trusting in his son, and when we come to faith, when we come to faith in God by trusting in Christ as our Lord and savior, and we believe what he has said, which is that he shed his blood for the remission of our sins, our sins being paid for. And that was a result there's no more hostility between us and the father.
Speaker 9:Hey, did you ever? Oh sorry, no, go ahead, Greg, Go ahead. Did you ever see that episode of Gilligan's Island where there was this Japanese sailor comes up in a submarine and he still thinks World War Two is going.
Speaker 9:I haven't seen that one and I thought I saw all those episodes but I guess I haven't seen that one, and I've even heard there's some true stories about that Like some Japanese troops, or maybe just individual soldiers on some island in the Pacific, thought the war was still going, they didn't realize the war had been over and for those who have been reconciled for God's elect, even though we were reconciled at the cross, there was time in our life prior to conversion where we thought the war was still going on, you know what I mean, right and he's the one who declared peace.
Speaker 9:We just come to realize it when he reveals it to us. So, like the thing you know with those japanese soldiers, they had to be told that the war was over right, and that that's what happens to us when we become converted and we read the New Testament. Then we realize what God has done.
Speaker 10:Right, I like that. So how do we obtain this reconciliation?
Speaker 2:Who wants to take a stab at that?
Speaker 9:before I do. Well, that's the thing, it has been done, it has been obtained. We just that's the thing we. It has been done, it has been obtained.
Speaker 5:We just come to the realization of it you know, I just like to say, in john chapter 15, when jesus prayed and he said, father, that we are one, I want them to be one as we are one right you know, when I think about me being one and I'm married to Christ, it's inseparable.
Speaker 5:That relationship and that eternity and all that comes with that, it can never be separated, and that just gives me the hope and the joy and the faith. Just it's complete in me. You know, right, go ahead, somebody's going to speak, brian go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all I wanted to speak, brian go ahead.
Speaker 4:Yeah, all I wanted to say is this is really important y'all. He actually asked a really good question about you know how do we attain this?
Speaker 2:It's a good question. It really is a good question.
Speaker 4:Yes, because the answer is we can't attain it. If we could attain it, we would have already done it.
Speaker 7:Right.
Speaker 4:But nobody comes to the Father unless he draws them. Right we actually, we think we walk around with saving faith just in us when we're lost. We don't y'all Right that saving faith is a gift from God? Yes, we are saved Grace through faith. Amen, hallelujah, praise the Lord. Right, but that faith?