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Prophets Until John: Understanding Jesus's Declaration About the Last Prophet
What did Jesus mean when He declared "all the prophets and the law prophesied until John"? This provocative question sparked a passionate theological exchange that cuts to the heart of how we understand spiritual gifts today.
When Jesus explicitly stated that the prophets were "until John," He established a profound theological boundary. Throughout the Old Testament, every prophet from Moses to Malachi pointed toward Christ's arrival. Their collective purpose—over 300 prophecies—converged on the coming Messiah. John the Baptist, as the final forerunner, completed this prophetic lineage by preparing the way for Jesus Himself.
This discussion contrasts traditional biblical interpretation with charismatic perspectives in sometimes heated exchanges. If prophets existed primarily to foretell Christ's coming, what purpose would modern-day prophets serve when Christ has already come and His return is clearly promised in Scripture? The conversation explores how claims of prophetic gifts today often create problematic spiritual hierarchies, with some believers positioning themselves as spiritually elite based on manifestations like speaking in tongues.
The episode delves into critical passages including not only Jesus's declarations about John but also examinations of figures like Agabus in Acts. Rather than supporting ongoing prophetic offices, these examples likely represent the conclusion of an era. The Scripture's sufficiency becomes a central theme—believers are "completely furnished with everything needed" through God's Word.
Whether you've wondered about spiritual gifts, questioned charismatic practices, or simply want to better understand biblical prophecy, this thought-provoking discussion challenges assumptions and encourages a return to scriptural authority over experiential validation. Join us as we explore what it means when Jesus declares John as the last in the prophetic tradition.
me here. So in Matthew 11, verse 13, Jesus said this all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. In Luke 16, verse 16, Jesus says the law and the prophets were until John. Since that time, the kingdom of God is preached and every man presses into it. Now here's my question If Jesus never said these words, if he never said these words, which he clearly did but if he didn't say this, we should know that. We should know that John the Baptist was the last prophet. My question to you is and I'll start, I'll start, I'll ask everybody, I'll start with Pastor Fred. If Jesus never said these words, how would we know that John the Baptist had to be the last prophet, Pastor Fred, how would you know that?
Speaker 2:Brother, I agree with what's written right, what the Lord spoke. Why was he saying it, though? Why was he saying it?
Speaker 1:We'll get to that. What I'm asking is If he didn't say these things, how would we know that what he did say was true, if he never said it?
Speaker 2:Well, obviously, if he never said it, then it would be open, right, it wouldn't be true, or whatever, but he did say it. So what he's saying is true, now it's. I'll give you an example. Right, yeah, does. Does the bible contradict itself? No, it doesn't okay, so let's go. Let's go to the book of acts.
Speaker 1:You you just said wait, wait, hold on, brother, hold on for a second, hold on, hold on, hold on. So what I'm, what I'm, what I'm not trying to do, is to go to war.
Speaker 2:OK, absolutely, I'm right there with you, I know.
Speaker 1:So, so, so. Let's do what we're talking about for a second. I don't want to go to book of Acts right now. So what I'm asking is this I we what I just read. Jesus said all the prophets prophesied until John. The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time, the kingdom of God is preached and every man presses into it. So we know that's true, we agree with that. We know it's true, we know he said it for a reason. We believe it. That's not the issue. The question I'm asking just from a. We're having a conversation. We're having a conversation. What I'm asking is this how would we know that John the Baptist would have been the last prophet if Jesus had never said these words? I believe it is possible for us to know that he was the last, that John the Baptist was the last prophet, even if Jesus didn't tell us. How is what I'm asking? Two things, Wait, hold on. Let me give Pastor Fred a chance to answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. I mean he was prophesying, and he was his prophecies that John had profit, because even John, even John, didn't consider himself any anything like that, right, and so John prophesied what he did they prepared the way for Christ. So Jesus spoke that about John and said hey, you know, there was no greater prophet than John. Right, we know that. So the words that Jesus spoke, or whatever was written, is true. What was he saying, though? What did he mean? Also, he just doesn't stop at there, from this time to this time. Yes, so, brother, I'm agreeing with you on everything you just said. So how do we know? Well, the prophets that are prophesied of old, there's no new revelation, right, there's no new revelation, or?
Speaker 1:anything else Got, it All right.
Speaker 5:Meg, go ahead, Meg. Okay, there's two things that John said to me. Number one he said behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Number one. The second thing that he said was I baptized with water, but the one who comes after me will baptize with fire in the holy spirit. To me he was prophesying the holy spirit being delivered in the book of acts, so and that. Those were the two things that really stood out to me of what john said on if jesus never said anything. That's, those are two things I'm talking about?
Speaker 1:I me of what John said on if Jesus never said anything. That's, those are two things. I'm not talking about what John said, all right. So what I'm talking about is this no, you said if Jesus didn't say anything else, how would we know that it was John and he was the last prophet? How do we know that John the Baptist was the last prophet if Jesus never told us? How do we know From the Old Testament? What would we know from the Old Testament?
Speaker 2:It was prophesied about them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what so? Okay, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2:I guess we're not understanding your question, brother. I'm sorry, I'm not following you on that.
Speaker 6:I think that Hebrews 1.1 tells us that, that he spoke to us at that time, but now there is a different way that he's going about it, and now that's through his son. And he said that with the revelation of the New Testament, we know that it says that he was preparing. John was preparing the way for the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yes, so take that. So, angie, take that to the next level.
Speaker 3:He was the one that prepared the way for Jesus Christ, and Jesus was the one that was going to come after him.
Speaker 1:And who? Right, this is what I'm getting at, because what did the prophets? What were the prophets talking about?
Speaker 5:The Messiah, yes, jesus, yes, so the prophets were prophes talking about the Messiah.
Speaker 1:Yes, jesus, yes. So the prophets were prophesying about him and he came.
Speaker 5:Then there's nobody else to come. What?
Speaker 6:else is there to talk about? There's no other prophet.
Speaker 1:There's no more need for a prophet.
Speaker 5:The majority of the book testifies of me. The volume of the book speaks of me. This is the reason why.
Speaker 2:This is the reason why I wanted to come up here. Right, I just had, we just had this discussion, like two or three days in a row, right, about apostles and prophets, right, right, uh, over 20 years ago I remember I, I was in the bible institute and I had I had one of my professors say that, right, um, because he didn't believe that some of the other professors did. I was was attending an Assemblies of God Bible Institute, a Hispanic one, so he made that statement and so I put he's like, well, do me a favor, put all your reasons why right, and pray about it and study. And so I did, brother, I did. Right, I'm like, look, because if you're just saying, like, right now, you just said that the last prophet, right, the last prophet was John the Baptist, right, mm-hmm, right, and the Bible doesn't contradict this. So we're in agreement, right, all of us are in agreement about that. Right, absolutely. If you go to the book of Acts, chapter 10.
Speaker 1:You're going to tell me about the one guy who you call a prophet.
Speaker 2:I already know where you're going to go Okay, yeah, so you have Agabus. Agabus and his daughters were prophetesses. This was, this was what this is after that's not the same thing. Ok, ok, but that's not the only, that's not the only one. So in the book of Acts, so that they can know, so that they can go look at it themselves, y'all go look at it the prophet Agabus and his daughters were called prophetesses.
Speaker 1:I get it, brother, I get, I get what you're saying. They weren't prophets and they weren't prophets like John the Baptist, brother, brother, brother, brother, pastor, come on, chill out, it's okay, I understand. I'm just telling you I know what you're talking about, yes, sir. So I know exactly what you're talking about, and what I'm telling you is that those were not prophets who were divinely called by God. They were prophets in the sense of teachers.
Speaker 2:Brother, he doesn't say that, it doesn't say that, okay, okay, okay, I won't argue, okay, I won't argue with that. Then you know, okay, I'm not arguing either, but listen it. Listen, because you also have. You also have other other apostles that were called apostles.
Speaker 1:So, brother, you just said earlier that you believe what the word of god said when. So when jesus says all the prophets and the law prophesied until john and when jesus says the law and the prophets were until john, how do you explain that?
Speaker 2:okay, brother, just if I, if I could, I'm, I'm gonna give you this, so brother, brother, hold on, no, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:I don't like, I don't like going on rabbit holes runs.
Speaker 2:This isn't a rabbit hole, brother. I'm giving you the scriptures, so no, but hold on, hold on. I'm asking.
Speaker 1:I'm asking you a question. I'm gonna asking you something. Before you go to any other scriptures, I want you to explain to me what these two verses mean. If you can't explain this, I don't want to go to any other verses.
Speaker 2:They were prophets, all of the laws, and the prophet were prophesying about who. We just said it right now. They were prophesying exactly. They were prophesying about jesus. We know that there's no other savior other than the. Antichrist Pastor pastor, pastor, you're asking me, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:You're not telling me. You're not telling me you want to take me somewhere else to make a point you want to make, but I'm asking you for the point of this group and people listening. I'm asking you as a pastor, which you should be able to answer the question easily. When Jesus said that the prophets and the law were until John, what did he mean? That's all I want to know. What did he mean? What was he saying?
Speaker 2:Everything, everything that was spoken about Jesus was was fulfilled at his coming. Okay, At the old, all of the old Testament was point a foreshadow. It was pointing to Christ. Right, About everything that was said about Christ. John the Baptist was prophesying about Jesus and his coming. It said everyone until then did this about me.
Speaker 1:In other words, that's what they were saying Let me ask you a question. They fulfilled that. Let me ask you a question Of all the prophets that we've ever had, of all the prophets listed in the Old Testament. There were 300 prophecies in the old testament 300, and they all talked about christ. Do we agree on that or not? Yes, sir absolutely all right, so you're suggesting that there are prophets today, am I right? Yes, sir, so what are they prophesying about?
Speaker 2:they're prophesying about God's word and what's to come.
Speaker 1:No, no. What I'm saying is Wait a minute, brother.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute. The reason why I'm telling you this. The question to me was right are there apostles and prophets? Is what. The subject was Right. So let me give you the scriptures so that you can disagree with me all you want, I can disagree with you.
Speaker 1:That's fine, pastor, do me a favor. Do me a favor, because I know you want to get on your thing. I understand it. Here's what I'm going to ask you to do you get your verses, get on mute. You get your verses and type the verses on the screen. Type the verses on the screen.
Speaker 2:That's fine, brother. That's fine. Ok, I appreciate you having me. Thank you, all right, perfect.
Speaker 3:All right. Now we're trying to get at is just the spirit of prophecy, is the testimony of Jesus Christ, which is you know, that's it. Well, see, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Not even according to what we're talking about, actually.
Speaker 1:If we have the thing that we need to understand, and this is. This is why what he's saying is nonsense. And let me tell you the reason why we have the word of god. So, either the prophecy of a prophet is going to tell us about christ, which is what they all did. Every single prophet prophesied about j, every single one of them. The reason why we know John the Baptist was the last one is because Jesus was. He was the forerunner for the Lord himself.
Speaker 1:So if a prophet is prophesying about Jesus, like brother Greg said earlier, the prophets were speaking about that which was to come, which is all about Christ, and Daniel's and Isaiah's were the big ones and they all talked about Christ. From Moses until Malachi, they all talked about Christ. So now, if somebody comes today saying they're a prophet, like my pastor friend here is saying, then Christ has already come, he's already told us that he's coming again. So there's nothing else to prophesy about, and anything that a prophet today would talk about, whatever they would say, if it doesn't come from the word of god, we can't, we can't listen to that. So if, if, if, so, if the only place we can get the word of God Is in the word of God, then, by that definition that he's laying out, we would all have to be prophets, and there is a sense in which all of us are prophets when we talk about God's word that we see in this Bible.
Speaker 2:But, brother Jonathan, let me just put this in there. I just put some of the text on there when it talks about Andronicus right, junius, james, the Lord's brother, silas, timothy, epaphroditus.
Speaker 2:Epaphroditus right Go ahead, some even Apollos. I've got verse for verse, brother, for each one of them. Barnabas, you've got so many of them. The Bible is calling them, not me. The word of God is calling them right, it's talking about them. So this is, in my word, brother, my opinion Now, because Paul was also considered an apostle among them. He said that Paul, in addressing the church of Corinth, he was correcting them because of all the disorder that was there. If in that, if in that in chapter 12, 13, 14, and 15, all that when he's addressing it, when he talks about the gifts and he talks about all of the, let me ask you a question, just do one, I'm feeling like so whenever he gave it to him, if he was going to sit there and say that he would have said it on there.
Speaker 2:he would have said it clearly.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you a question, because we can nail all this. So you belong to the Assemblies of God, right?
Speaker 2:No, sir, I don't. I attended the Assemblies of God.
Speaker 1:Are you a charismatic Pentecostal? Yes, sir, all right, that explains it all. So I understand where you're coming from you're wrong.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm yeah, brother, I mean, that's fine, you're wrong. You can say that about me, I can say that about you too, brother jonathan, okay that's fine just just just read one of the scriptures. Just read one, no I'm not gonna read.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna read any of it. I said, if you, if you, if you send it to me, I'll go, I'll explain it. But what I don't want to do, I don't want to have this, this brother, brother, brother, listen, I don't want to do, I don't want to have this brother, brother, listen, I don't want to have this disrupting the whole group for you to tangle with me If you want to tangle with me.
Speaker 1:we can tangle on another day and hash this out in a one-on-one live if you want to, but I don't want to disrupt this gathering right now with letting you make a point. The whole Pentecostal charismatic movement, all of it's false.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:All of it's false, all right. So you and this guy, rick, you're wrong, okay.
Speaker 2:All right, brother, listen, I'm not attacking you like that, I'm not telling you like that, but you're telling me like that, that's fine.
Speaker 1:I can only tell it like it is.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to do that. I can also say you're wrong.
Speaker 1:Brother, I understand. Maybe this is not the right place for you?
Speaker 2:No, that's fine, brother. I mean, this is your life. I'm not going to disrespect you or nobody else.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to do that, brother, I'm not going to do that. But I agree with you. If you a prophet, what? No, no sir. Are you an apostle? No, sir, I'm an evangelist.
Speaker 1:Do you have any miraculous?
Speaker 2:gifts by the grace of God. God has used me to do something.
Speaker 1:What gifts do you have that God by His grace gave you?
Speaker 2:What do you mean? What gifts? You're talking about the gifts of the Spirit. I'm asking you what gifts you have. You're talking about the gifts of the spirit. Do you speak in tongues? Yes, sir, I sure do.
Speaker 7:All right, see, that's what I mean baptized back in 2008, the lord filled me with the holy spirit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm speaking in tongues. You don't? You don't believe that because you never. You never had that experience no, I don't believe you, because it's not true it's not happening, but that's why, brother, I'm not look for those that have listen, listen, listen here, listen.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I'm offering you a way out. You're in the wrong camp here.
Speaker 2:No, why? How am I in the wrong camp? Are y'all not amongst believers? I mean, we're not amongst believers, you're not. Look we're not. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that he's the son of God.
Speaker 1:I believe that he came and died for us, rose on the third day. I believe that, jesus, see, when you, when you're a pastor, you got to go find your own church. See, I can't deal with this anymore. You know, this kind of stuff, this is, this is what happens. You, we, you know, when you are talking about these kind of things. This is not about. This is that. You know, this is not about studying the word of god and coming to right conclusions about the word of god. You know. Know, everything he's talking about is nothing. None of that is new.
Speaker 1:If you are a Pentecostal or a charismatic or a assembly of God type of person or a one of this church people, they all are in the same camp and they all use the same tired, same old, tired arguments. And this is why, when you look at, when you look at things, if the, if the role of a prophet, if the role of a prophet is to speak about the coming of our lord and savior, jesus christ and he has come, there's no longer the need for a prophet anymore. I don't know why this is not, this is not understood. And these guys, they love to talk about all these other kind of things.
Speaker 1:Listen, I don't have nothing against a guy. I don't have nothing against the guy. I don't have nothing against the guy. But I know there's going to be absolutely nothing logical that comes out of that, out of that conversation, and nothing good is going to come out of it other than him trying to come on here and build a platform for himself, to show how preachy he can be and look, more power to him, more power to him. But I don't want to disrupt the conversation that we were having right now and because, because this can happen every day of the week.
Speaker 4:So, anyway, any comments before I go on. I'm beginning to wonder and not wonder, but I'm beginning to think that just because they're reading the Bible, which is for telling us what is to come, that they think that makes them a prophet or an apostle. Right, I mean, I don't. Yeah, ok, deceit is all I can tell you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brother, jeffrey go ahead.
Speaker 8:Back to my question that I asked you earlier. It may have been last night too. You have shown us that prophets and apostles are not here today. That time is over. Then, the men and the women who are carrying that title now, who gave it to them? Where did it come from? From see?
Speaker 6:that's the point that's the point.
Speaker 1:It's something in the comic that's a different spirit yeah, it's, it's, it's, you know you let them have what they want, what they want to have. Mariah, I'm sorry I cut you off. You were going to say something.
Speaker 6:Sister, go ahead we cannot call ourselves prophets on something that was already written by prophets. It's a work of the enemy to just be boastful like that, and the only prophecy that we have is a testimony of Christ, which was already done.
Speaker 1:You know, everybody see the thing about it is we live in a time now where people want to, they want to showcase their abilities. They want to showcase these abilities. And again, when we talk about signs, these were not these signs and wonders, these miracle gifts that God gave when he gave. These weren't for Christians to go showing off to other Christians. They were meant to be signs for unbelievers. Number one and second. They are not to be sort of like these spiritual tally man's tally men that people are using to sort of encourage their faith. We live by faith, not by sight, right, not by sight. And you have a brand of those who call themselves Christians out there who need to manufacture these experiences to supplant biblical faith.
Speaker 8:Where do you reach the point, when you're dealing with people like this and what you just described, jonathan, where you begin to have to question the authenticity of their salvation?
Speaker 1:You know, here's the way I look at it. Here's the way I look at it. I you know like I try to separate, and I try to separate what my personal opinion might be on that regard from the reality. It is not for me to say whether or not these people love God or not. What I do believe is that you cannot love the word of God, or I should say, I can't even say that. I can't even say that. All I can do is teach what is true and try to and try to deal with what the Bible makes perfectly clear and try to deal with understanding why God does certain things, because there's a why To what God does and when the why is worn out, there's no need for that anymore. You know, I don't know. Like, when I talk to these people that are all into their little miraculous things, I'm always asking so what is the purpose of it At this point? What is the purpose of it? Christ is here. So we're not preaching, we're not prophesying about his coming. He's coming and he's coming again.
Speaker 1:We know that the Bible tells us that we are completely furnished with everything that we need as a Christian in the pages of God's word. So if we have everything that the prophets and apostles needed to do and were appointed by God to do. We have all that contained in the word. What else is the miraculous? And the signs and the prophets? What are they going to tell us or what are they going to point to? If we have everything that they point to, I just don't understand how they get to these crazy conclusions. But it's because they need to feel mystical, but it's because they need to feel mystical.
Speaker 8:A question, jonathan, to me of mystical. It goes back to what I've alluded to several times. It just seems to be a higher. They want to be seen or determined to be a higher class of Christian than other people. That's where I the main thing I come away with when I look at that, or one of the main things I come away with. That and that turns me off. We are all equal, absolutely equal in Christ Jesus.
Speaker 3:Somebody wrote in the comments.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. I'm sorry. Somebody named Roddy wrote in the comments. He's asking me which is what a lot of charismatics do they ask the question are you saying the Holy Spirit can't dispense miraculous gifts? No, I'm not saying that. I simply said he's not. There's no need to. This is Lisa. Go ahead. You're going to say something.
Speaker 7:So my thoughts on all of this are going to say something. So my thoughts on all of this are and again, I'm relatively new at coming to Christ in 2020. So it needs to make sense to me and I think people need to remain teachable. I mean, I grew up believing. I guess it's dispensationalism I didn't even know that's what it was called, but in looking in reading scripture for myself, it doesn't make sense. Right when I hear somebody and I think that's where it lies with a lot of people and I don't know if the gentleman before I can't speak on him personally but a lot of these people don't seem teachable. They are stuck in what they grew up learning or what they discovered early on and just aren't willing to search for truth. And God is not he's not a God of confusion, and I just don't understand why people won't just stop and consider some of these things.
Speaker 1:Like he said. Like he said to me because I asked him did he speak in tongues? You know, you know he did this whole thing and you know at that point I knew where we were going and he goes. Well, the reason why you don't understand is because it never happened to you. So this is what they do. It's like it didn't happen to me because I'm a believer. That's why it didn't happen to me.
Speaker 7:Yeah, as if we're less than. I don't speak in tongues, so I'm not saved.
Speaker 1:I don't you know and that's hurtful, honestly and notice that he associated that with being baptized by the Holy Spirit, as if Christians who don't speak in tongues haven't been baptized by the Holy Spirit. That is see, I'm about to get my feathers ruffled.
Speaker 7:I've heard that actually.
Speaker 1:It's stupid. It's stupid. I don't know how else to put it. See, and I say it that way because, as far as I'm concerned, we're not in a temple anywhere. This is the street. We're talking straight. That's nonsense. It is nonsense. These guys, they got all these special relations and all these special abilities. It's like I'm telling you, they're like the Marvel Comics MCU universe All of them got their different supernatural abilities and they're all running around doing Christian MCU universe. All of them got their different supernatural abilities and they're all running around doing Christian MCU stuff. It's bonkers. Go ahead, Meg.
Speaker 5:So I do have a question In Acts and this is what I want to see, if you can help me explain, because I'm a student of the words. I'm a student so in acts 11 we hear about agabus. Okay, and agabus was a the. It called him in 21, 10.
Speaker 6:Listen to what it says.
Speaker 5:It says and we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea, and so, and then it says, when he had come to us, he took Paul's belt, bound his own hands and feet, and says that he has come to. I mean, thus says the Holy Spirit. So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles? Ok, then we see that he, in scripture, prophesies about certain famine that's coming in. And then we see that in Luke I think it says that no, yeah, luke affirms it when he specifically is run free, the words are spoken in the reign of claudius, right, that's in acts 11, 29. So, like when he said these things and that famine happened, did, did that make him a prophet, as stated in acts 21, 10?
Speaker 1:no see, here's the thing. Here's the thing. First of all, I just need some help with that. One here's first. See, here's the thing. First of all, I just need some help with that one First of all.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing. We you know, like, in terms of the number, if you do a study on the number of profits that there were, altogether the number of profits it can range anywhere from 16 to 68. I forget what the range of numbers there are. Now, keep in mind, there definitely were prophets at the time that Christ came. But here's what I'm saying we can't assume that there were no prophets that were contemporary with John the Baptist. There were prophets who were alive. You see what I mean. There were prophets who were alive. You see what I mean. There were prophets who were alive.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, and so the point is, when it came to what the prophets do. You know what the prophets do? They talk about things that are to come. And so this guy here, this guy here, guy here, no doubt, because one thing that I said earlier was that was that when the apostles, when the apostles were here, there were still many signs that were being executed and that were being laid out, because in acts, this is when the holy spirit was poured out. But what I'm saying is that, when it comes to the prophets in general, when it comes to the prophets in general, because Agabus is where everybody is, where all the, all the is where all of the Pentecostals always go to to defend all these other. You know all these?
Speaker 5:I ain't no Pentecostal. I just saw him in the word and wanted to ask.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what I'm saying is. What I'm saying is you know, the Bible clear is clear that he was, that he was a, that he was a prophet. But he was also most likely older than John the Baptist and was a prophet before John the Baptist began his, his forerunner, forerunning role to Christ. So what I'm saying? So go ahead. You want to, you wanted to ask? Oh no, she didn't ask, sorry, so anyway. So what I'm saying is you have, you, you? It was not inconceivable that there were some people who were basically for lack of a better expression leftovers, if that makes sense. Meaning that, meaning that there were, there was, there was most likely not just Agabus, there was probably many other prophets who were alive, because they would have been contemporary with John the Baptist. They would be contemporary.
Speaker 3:There is Anna of Asher, that there was older than John the Baptist and Jesus, because Jesus is probably about Jesus coming to the temple at 12.
Speaker 1:That's right, that's right, that's right, oh yeah that's true, but what I'm saying, just like, out of the 12, for example, right, you had the 12 apostles, but there were other people who were given in Acts, who were given the gifts and stuff like this, but these things were fading away. That's why you don't hear about any other prophets again Outside of John the Baptist, which Jesus said he was the one. Now because keep.