The Bible Provocateur
The Bible Provocateur
Understanding the Personhood of the Holy Spirit: Beyond Energy and Force
Unraveling the mystery of who the Holy Spirit truly is stands as one of Christianity's most profound explorations. Beyond vague notions of divine energy or cosmic force, Scripture reveals something far more extraordinary – the Spirit as a divine person with intellect, emotions, and will.
Our conversation dives deep into biblical evidence that clearly demonstrates the Holy Spirit's personhood. When Peter confronts Ananias, asking "why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit," we discover a fundamental truth – you don't lie to impersonal forces, you lie to persons who can hear and discern truth. Similarly, Paul's warning not to "grieve the Holy Spirit" in Ephesians reveals an entity capable of emotional response, not merely a power source.
Perhaps most compelling is understanding how the Holy Spirit functions in our relationship with God. As one participant beautifully expressed, "The natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God because they are spiritually discerned... You have to have the same Spirit in you that authored the Scriptures in the first place in order to be able to discern them." Like a radio without batteries, we remain unable to receive God's transmission without the Spirit's illuminating presence.
The implications of this understanding transform our entire approach to faith. Prayer becomes a Trinitarian experience – approaching the Father, through the Son, by the Spirit who "intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words." Scripture reading shifts from academic exercise to dynamic encounter as the Spirit who inspired the text illuminates it for our hearts and minds.
Misconceptions about God's nature – particularly modern "oneness" theories suggesting God is merely body, soul, and spirit like humans – crumble when examined against clear biblical teaching that "God is Spirit" and only the Son took on flesh in the incarnation. These distinctions matter profoundly, not as theological hairsplitting but as pathways to authentic relationship with the true and living God.
Ready to discover the person of the Holy Spirit as revealed in Scripture? This conversation will challenge assumptions, deepen understanding, and most importantly, draw you into more intimate communion with the third person of the Trinity who has been speaking, loving, and working throughout salvation history.
So my question to you, Banana Cake, is this. My second question is this what does the Spirit of God, knowing God, tell you about the nature and the personhood of the Spirit of God?
Speaker 2:That it's fully God. It's fully God 100% Spirit, 100% God.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You're one in the same person, just like you. You know, like sometimes when you tell somebody, oh, you know, you know. Sometimes you tell people, oh, I know you, They'll go like no, you don't know me, you don't know me, you know, you know. People like people hate to be known. But the truth is, as Paul says, what man knows, the things of a man, except the spirit of the man that is in him? There's an inner part of the man that knows who he is. It's being compared to the inner part of God, the inner working God. The mind of God May go ahead.
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm thinking. If I'm wrong, let me know Now, when Jesus gave us the model prayer, okay, and he said to start like acknowledging the Father right, our Father right, Our father right, so it's our father. And the Holy Spirit is dwelling within us while we're praying and we're ending it in Jesus name. So when we're praying, that is the whole Godhead in totality, a whole.
Speaker 1:Godhead, wow, the whole Godhead. You can't pray that's fine you cannot pay. You cannot pray to god without contemplating all three persons in that in the godhead. They are all part of that whole process. They're all part of it. Remember we're going to see later on that the Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf. Yep, you understand. We also understand that in heaven, christ is our advocate. He's also interceding at the throne.
Speaker 4:It's through Jesus to get to God by the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely. Banana case, banana pancake. Is it making sense to you, sister?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm in love with those couple verses because basically it's like this amazing thing that we can, through the Holy Spirit, like have revelation of the deep things of God. And then verse 12 goes on to say we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit of God. Who is from God? So who knows the thoughts of God, except those who have his spirit? And then it says we have his spirit. So I'm like just I just love God so much.
Speaker 1:I love your sister, I love your spirit, sister, you keep it up. Now, brother Greg, I got to ask you a question because I have some of the heavyweight ones for my brother, greg. So let me ask you this question, brother. It's in Romans 15, verse 30. Romans 15, verse 30. Again, we're looking for one of the properties of the Holy Spirit that indicates that he is not just a force or a energy. In Romans 15, verse 30, paul says now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake and for the love of the Spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me. So, brother Greg, in this passage, where do we see what property do we see working by the Holy Spirit that indicates that he is more than just some divine energy or power source?
Speaker 5:He loves, he loves, he loves. But I wanted to. Banana Pancakes hit on something poignant as well. She said the spirit reveals. He's an agent of revelation in a couple of ways One, you know, by inspiring you know the authors of scripture in a couple of ways. One, you know, by inspiring you know the authors of scripture. And then also in us, by illumination by, you know, giving the believer the capacity to you know, to discern the scriptures. Amen, right, the.
Speaker 5:The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit of God because they are spiritually discerned. So the unregenerate person is like a radio without batteries in it. You know the radio, radio waves are out there, but until you're powered up and you got to be tuned to the right frequency to get the, to get the message you want, you know. So you have to. You have to have the same spirit in you that authored the scriptures in the first place in order to be able to discern them. But anyway, so back to your. I just thought it was, you know, a good point that banana pancakes hit on.
Speaker 2:He's an agent of revelation, if I could just say something about the Holy Spirit being a person of the Godhead. I think the part where he's always working basically proves the omnipotence of it, because he's working in me, he's working in you, and him and her like all the time, everywhere. So it's like if that's not almighty God, then and he has to work extra hard in Jonathan.
Speaker 5:He needs it.
Speaker 2:Triple time with me.
Speaker 1:I got to tell you. You know, greg is the one person that'll make me come on here and feel like an idiot boy. I gotta be serious. But uh, that's true. But does anybody not get? Because the verse I read in romans 15, 30 greg says that the the property of the holy spirit. That shows that he is more than just this divine force or energy. Greg pointed out that it is his love. Is there anybody who doesn't see that in verse 30, where he says now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake and for the love of the Holy, for the love of the spirit that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me, does anybody not see that that's talking about the love of the spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to god for me. Does anybody not see that? That's talking about the love of the spirit? Go ahead, candy.
Speaker 4:Go ahead based off what banana was up there saying I just lost it. Oh gosh, oh, oh, oh, nope. Ephesians 2 21. Actually let me go back to 20. Okay, go ahead. And are built upon the foundation. Maybe I need to go to 19. Go ahead, let's go to 18. We'll go to 18 and then I'll go for. Through him, we both have access by one spirit unto the father. Now, therefore, ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and the household of god, and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, jesus christ himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom all the building, fitly framed together, groweth unto a holy temple in the lord, in whom ye also are builded together for inhabitation of God through the Spirit, amen.
Speaker 4:I just thought that was, I don't know. It's like he's showing me all kinds of different scriptures right now. It's like no matter where I turn this book to, it's like there's something else.
Speaker 1:This is what I love, and I know I always break in in the middle of these messages and talk about this. I love it when people first of all come to these lives and open up the Word of God. Nothing thrills my heart more than when that happens and when people can see how to string together these things and to help unify the Word of God throughout, because that's what this does it helps us to unify the Word of God itself. Brother Todd, go ahead.
Speaker 7:When I was reading 30, verse 30 there I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, I felt in my heart that not only is it omnidirectional, it's multidirectional, like our love for Jesus and our love for the Spirit as well. Does that make sense, or?
Speaker 2:would it say for the Spirit.
Speaker 1:Hold it. Say it again you lost me. Yeah, that's okay, it's Romans 1530,. Just what? Say that again. I lost you. You lost me yeah that's okay, it's.
Speaker 7:It's Romans, uh, 1530, just what you were talking about. And it says by our Lord, jesus Christ, and by the love of the spirit, I, I just kind of felt an indwelling to me to say that it's not, you know, directional or whatever. It's multi-directional, bi-directional, I guess you know what I mean. Our love for Jesus, and by the Spirit and His love reciprocates that we join each other in prayer.
Speaker 1:I agree with you. I think that whether you say, whether you look at because I know that there are different translations but whether you use by or for, you essentially come to the same conclusion. Because he's talking about. He says I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord jesus christ's sake and for the love of the holy, for the, for the love or by the holy spirit, so he. The whole idea is that he's. He's including the, he's including the fact that he is appealing to us because of christ and because of the holy spirit, so that we strive together with him in our prayers to God. And see, here's the thing.
Speaker 1:One thing that I, that I do and have done in the past and was was trained to look for in my studies, was looking for Christ in everything. And when it comes to the new testament, you find yourself finding in many, many, many places, the father, the son and the holy spirit in the same place. So when you look at, todd, I want you to keep stay open for a second, because in romans 15, 30, what do you see there? You see here the lord jesus christ, you see here the Spirit, and you see the Father at the end, when he's talking about striving together with him in your prayers to God for me.
Speaker 7:Yes, that's exactly my point. You phrased it better. It's not just directional from them to us, it's multidirectional. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Yes, and the three of them are there. That was that was. I was kind of leading to that a little bit.
Speaker 1:Well, see, and I like that because I always say over and over again that that when we, when we come to the word of God, like I, may ask a question, and I'll ask somebody a question and then you, they will give an answer I ask somebody else another question, give an answer, and I ask another third person to give an answer. It's not because I necessarily think that the first few people got it wrong, but the reason why I asked is because, like I said, it's a diamond, it's a jewel that has multiple facets, and so everybody sees something, yes, but it's the same diamond. You understand what I'm saying?
Speaker 7:Yeah, exactly Because when I'm reading it I'm like looking, if I love the spirit, I'll never blaspheme the spirit, so that's the way I look at it. So appreciate you letting me in on that one Amen, brother, meg go ahead sister.
Speaker 3:Okay. So with this oneness theology that's going around, okay, it's now converting to other things, okay, and I think that that this is important to address it, because multiple people had asked in the chat. So I want to ask for myself as well as the people in the chat, what what is going around is. God is body, soul and spirit. We are made in the image of god. We have a body, soul and spirit. We are made in the image of God. We have a body, a soul and a spirit, and so does God.
Speaker 3:So the question that was in the chat is does God have a soul? But the Bible clearly states that God is spirit. So if you could address that and kind of break that down so people understand, you just did, I know, but I'm just saying like I don't when people, people are using this that well, jesus has a body, jesus has a soul and a spirit and so it's all jesus again breaking this down and going further into the heresy of oneness, which is horrible, but I think that's important to acknowledge. Does God have a soul? Somebody asked that. Brother Roddy asked it.
Speaker 1:I'll put it this way John 4, 24 makes it very clear God is spirit. Greg, go ahead and answer. Greg, go ahead, okay.
Speaker 5:God doesn't have a soul. God is a soul. You don't have a soul. You are a soul, you have a body. But we humans are monopersonal souls right, we are singular in person. God is a soul, he is tripersonal, he is one God in three persons Right, and the person of the Son now has a body and always will. Right, because it's the Son that took on flesh, not the father, not the holy spirit, and this whole thing about you know, god being a flesh and bone man is just utter heresy. This unscaled guy is is the biggest knucklehead, but he's got a following just because he's a blowhard and people listen to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, greg put it probably better than I would have. And so sometimes we look at passages, like the passage where it says, where it's talking about Christ in Psalms and it's also quoted, I believe, in Acts, when the prophecy about Christ is that you will not leave my soul in hell. You know what I'm talking about, meg, you heard that right.
Speaker 3:It's in Psalms 139.
Speaker 1:Right. So he says so. The prophecy is that the soul of body, the soul of Christ, will not be left in hell. So from that, there is a doctrine that was championed by Roman Catholicism and then embraced by modern Christianity that says that this is the proof that Jesus Christ went to hell. But in this particular context, it's not talking about Christ's soul when it says his soul was not left in hell. It wasn't talking about his soul, meaning the inner person, but it's talking about his body, his body.
Speaker 1:Sometimes the body of a man is called, is referred to his soul, and the text or the context determines that Jesus Christ never went to hell in the sense of his soul went to the place or the intermediate state where the damned go. Intermediate state where the damned go. No, his body was put in the grave and if you remember, when Adam was formed his body, he wasn't alive until what happened, till God breathed the breath of life into him. And then it says that when he did this, he became what Meg he became what Meg, no, but what is it?
Speaker 3:A living soul, yes a living soul.
Speaker 1:So sometimes the soul can refer to, depending on the context. It can refer to just the body, or it can refer to just the inward man, or it can refer to the complete man. It just depends on what you're reading and when you read it. Especially and I'm not one that gets into as much as I'd like to get into languages Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic my thoughts are if people have so much trouble with English, how are they going to understand Greek, aramaic and Hebrew? But anyway, I hope that answers the question, but I do think Greg did a really good job of laying that out. Candy, go ahead. I have one more.
Speaker 5:Go ahead, greg, go ahead, you can do it. So to say that God has always had a body, it takes away the miracle of the incarnation. If God's always had a body, what's the big deal that the son took on flesh, big whoop, he's always had a body anyway. It's just such heresy. But people like to come up with some new thing and there's always lots of Christians that aren't satisfied with the word of God, that always want some new angle. They have itching ears and they'll fall for people like that. So this descaled, unscaled thumb on the scale dude.
Speaker 1:I call it some of you guys may have heard me say this a thousand times I call it Da Vinci Code Christianity. People are always trying to find out some new thing and think they learned some new thing, and it's just nonsense. I haven't heard of this guy that Brother Greg is talking about, but I can tell you it sounds ridiculous and it is ridiculous that that's what people are saying. It's silly Because also for God to have a body, it also contradicts an essential component, or it contradicts an essential attribute of who God is. Meg, what do you think that is For God to have a body? What does that imply in terms of his essential attributes? What is wrong with one of his essential attributes? He would be spirit. Well, not only would he not be spirit, but the main thing is, in order for God to have a body, the body would have had to have been created. Oh, absolutely. God is uncreated. He's not a created being, a body. Bodies are what came with creation. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:absolutely good point all right, himalayan mama, how are you?
Speaker 6:hey brother, thank you for welcoming me in. I've known you for like I think, two days I. I came in and it was like um, you know, half stay, half stay. Yeah, today's also going to be a half day. I just got done with dinner, but I've been loving it, I've been enjoying it and I love Meg out here. This is powerful lady. I love listening to her as well, yeah, so thank you for welcoming me. I'm interested, let's see. Let's see. I disagree where I disagree, but it's all in love, that's all right, that's all right.
Speaker 1:And look, let me tell you something. Don't be afraid to disagree, that's fine. You can disagree openly and I don't have a problem with that. All I care about is decorum. That's all I care about.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we got an iron swap with an iron. You know we got to talk.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 6:So you get my next question okay, is that?
Speaker 1:okay, let's do it you can't come up here and not be willing to be put on the spot, sister, that's, that's what we do up here, all right. So now we're going to talk about another set of of the personal properties of the holy spirit, and this is what I call the passive personal property of the Holy Spirit. And so I'm giving you, I'm going to give you a verse and I want you to find the passive personal property of the Holy Spirit. Okay, does that make sense? Okay, all right. So I'm in Acts verse. I'm in Acts, chapter five, verse three. It says but Peter said, it says, but Peter said Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? So in that statement, where do you see the passive personal property of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 6:In other words, what indicates in this verse that the Holy Spirit is personal a person? Let me to read it again. You mean, what is the Holy Spirit? Uh-huh? Yes, I give broke. Go ahead, brother. It's breaking a little bit, but I'm trying all right, let me read it.
Speaker 1:I'll read it again for you. Okay, oh, your, your. Your phone is broken up. Okay, okay, your phone.
Speaker 6:Yeah, exactly the signal.
Speaker 1:Can you hear me? Okay now? No, she can't hear it. All right, let me go to you, lisa. Let me go to you because I see hers is having problems. Lisa, can you hear me about? Uh, banana pancakes you there. All right, let me read the verse again. I want you to find the passive personal property of the holy spirit, in other words the aspect of it of here that makes him a person. Peter said ananias, why has satan filled your heart? To lie to the Holy Ghost and to keep back part of the price of the land? So where in that verse does this show the personality of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 2:Because you can lie to it. You don't lie to inanimate objects.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 2:You don't lie to things that don't have ears to hear.
Speaker 1:Right, amen, sister, love it. Lisa you there, yet she might not be there. Okay, meg, how about you? You ready you?
Speaker 6:ready for the next one. Okay, the boy you ready? Yeah, well cuz? Well cuz God is love right and Holy Spirit is God right, and then love rejoices in the truth. So love is always standing in truth, and Holy Spirit is always standing in truth, so the lies automatically repel all right.
Speaker 1:All right, I going to read a verse for you. Okay, are you there? All right, I'm going to read a verse and I want you to find out. I want you to tell me what part of this verse indicates to you that the Holy Spirit is a person. Okay, I'm having trouble. Can you repeat that again? I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6:All right, I'm going to. Can you repeat that again? I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to read a verse. You can unmute your microphone. I want to talk to you.
Speaker 6:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to read a verse and I want you to tell me what part of the verse indicates to you. That the Holy Spirit is a person. You with me, yeah, all right, here it is. That the Holy Spirit is a person. You with me, yeah, here it is. Then Peter said unto her how is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? Behold the feet of them, which have buried your husband, are at the door and shall carry you out. Where in that verse do we see the personhood of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 6:The Holy Spirit carrying him out.
Speaker 1:Pardon me.
Speaker 6:Carrying her out, the people carrying her out. After NNAF died.
Speaker 1:No, nope, want me to read it again? Yes, please. Then Peter said unto her how is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Holy spirit of the lord? Behold, the feet of them, which buried your husband, are at the door and shall carry you out so tempt, holy spirit cannot be tempted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right that's right, and so the fact that he can be tempted means that he's not some inanimate figure or some force or right. Amen, for him to be tempted or to be tested, he must be an intellectual entity, all right. So there we go, got it, lisa, you there, I'm here.
Speaker 6:I'm trying, trying, can you hear?
Speaker 1:me. Yep, all right, the next one's for you. Okay, can't hear me. Okay, I hear you. Fine, the next one's for you. I want you to tell me what the passive personality attribute of the Holy Spirit you see here, ephesians 4, verse 30. And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby you are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Speaker 6:Don't grieve, the Holy Spirit Grieve not.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 4:Grieve not the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1:That's right. Grieve not the Holy Spirit, and that tells you what about the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 6:That he's a person, that he's someone.
Speaker 1:That he's a person. That's right. He's a person, because he couldn't be grieved if he weren't. Alright. Now let me see Meg. You there, meg.
Speaker 3:I'm here, I feel like SpongeBob.
Speaker 1:I'm ready, I'm ready. The next one's for you. All right, this is going to be a little. This is. This might be a little tougher, ok.
Speaker 3:OK, I'm ready for it, all right. Ok, I need you to tell me where we're going, though, please. Okay, I'm ready for it, all right.
Speaker 1:Okay, I need you to tell me where we're going, though, please. Hebrews chapter 10, verse 29.
Speaker 3:Hebrews 10, verse 29. Okay, hebrews 10, 29. Okay, 10, 29.
Speaker 1:29. Why don't you read it and then you tell me?
Speaker 3:Okay, I got you All right. Here we go. Of how much more worse punishment do you suppose will he be thought worthy? Of how much worse punishment do you suppose will he be thought worthy? Who has trampled on the Son of God underfoot? Who has trampled on the son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, a common thing, and insulted the spirit of grace. Well, if the, if the Holy spirit is not a person, how can he be insulted Good question or outraged?
Speaker 6:yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's good. You see what I mean, yes, so this is what I don't understand when we talk about, when people talk about the Holy Spirit not being a person, how can he be insulted? How can he be insulted? All right Now. So this tells us a whole lot. Now see, to me, I don't know how many places you need to go in the word of God before you're convinced, and I don't see how many people I know a bunch of people with letters after the end of their name, who don't know these things, who don't know these things, who don't know these things. And it bewilders me because to me, I would be already convinced, already convinced. Greg, go ahead and read the verses you're talking about and give us your assessment of it.
Speaker 3:If you don't have them, brother, I got them.
Speaker 5:Yeah, go for it Meg.
Speaker 3:All right, here we go. Hebrews 3, 7 through 10. Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says today, if you will hear his voice, do not harden your hearts, as in the rebellion and the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested me, tried me and saw my works 40 years. Therefore, I was angry with that generation and said they always go astray in their heart and they have not known my ways. Whoa.
Speaker 1:But, meg, meg, let me. I'm going to ask you now. This is a great passage. Somehow, greg always finds passages that I missed by a personal study. But where in this passage do you see the personhood of the Holy Spirit?
Speaker 3:Uh, it's an, it's everywhere, all right. So it says where your fathers tested me, one tried me to and saw my works for 40 years. He was also angry with that generation but what are we talking about here?
Speaker 1:what? Have we been talking about all night the personhood of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 3:All right, so start again. Okay, here we go. Oh, therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, there's one Stop, that's it.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's it. Like Mariah says he speaks, he says you understand?
Speaker 3:Amen, that's good, greg. That's good, greg, that's good. Where's my hollow wesley?
Speaker 1:norris got it right. It starts with the holy spirit says so. You know this. This is this piece. This just gets easier and easier, and so this is the kind of thing that, when you have a study like this, that you can get so saturated in this truth that it gives you a whole new dimension in terms of your understanding of not just God or not just the Holy Spirit, but God as a whole, because to understand these aspects about the Holy Spirit enhances your understanding about God Almighty, which you can't understand, apart from having a misunderstanding about the Holy Spirit. If you misunderstand any one of the persons of the Godhead, then you miss God altogether, and there's no such thing as being close. This isn't like darts. There's no such thing as being close. This isn't like darts. There's no such thing as being close. You either know him or you don't.
Speaker 4:Candy, go ahead so in ephesians, chapter three, where he talks about um, in verse four or verse three, he talks about the revelation he made known unto me the mystery and then whereby, when you read, you may understand the knowledge of the mystery of Christ. So then, if you jump down to number seven, he talks about where I was made a minister according to the gift of grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Then you jump over to nine and it says and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which, from the beginning of the world, have been hid in God who created all things by Jesus Christ, been hid in God who created all things by Jesus Christ, to the intent that now, into the principalities and powers in heavenly places, might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, according to the eternal purpose which was purposed in Christ Jesus, our Lord. And I lost somewhere. Where it's down here? Where's it at?
Speaker 1:In Ephesians 3?.
Speaker 4:We go 3, 4, because I just didn't have it highlighted. Okay, so if you jump down to 17, actually 16. All right, go ahead. He would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his spirit in the inner man.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 4:So then I'm going to jump over to 19 and to know the love of Christ which passes, knowledge that you might be filled with the fullness of God, then if you jump into chapter 4, verse 4, well, actually go to go to 3, because he says it in.
Speaker 4:Say that word because I got these braces like endeavoring okay, endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling. So does that not explain? Is that right there, not specifically describe the spirit himself?
Speaker 1:It does. I mean what it does is. This is another one. Like all these things that we've been reading are, like you know, you have all these different strands that, when woven together, give you a more strengthened understanding of what we are learning about the Holy Spirit, and this goes for the son and the father as well.
Speaker 4:Well, in verse five, after four. Verse five says one Lord, one faith, one baptism. So through Jesus we get we, we do those. You know what I'm saying. So it's like distinctive things that these are each responsible for in the one essence of the Godhead, absolutely, absolutely, god and father of all, who is above all and through all and in you all. That's right. I guess verse three where it says how that by revelation he made known, and to me the mystery is by the Holy Spirit. This is chapter three, chapter three, verse three. All right, so I went back to the front because of where he says by the revelation he made known and to me. So I went back to the front because of where he says by the revelation he made known unto me. That's what the Holy Spirit, that's what he does. He reveals things to us, he is, how we understand, like one God and father of all, who is above all and through all, and in you all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that in chapter three, verse five is the one that really strengthens what I think you're trying to say, because he says in verse four, by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of christ, which is parenthetical, which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the spirit of his holy apostles, and it's talking about the spirit of God.
Speaker 4:Did I read that one?
Speaker 1:Huh, Did I not read that one? I'm not sure you did, but you may have Well.
Speaker 4:I meant to, if I didn't, because I've got three, four and five highlighted so I may have missed it. That's what I was looking for when I thought the revealed part, when I said, oh, where'd it go, did I not highlight it? Yeah, I knew I read it and had it highlighted. I thought, but yeah, that's what I was like. Yeah, you're right, that was the main one about the revelation by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, Well, yeah yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1:So it's because I was wondering, because I thought you skipped over and I was like, why should you skip over that one? But anyway, well, I may have, because I I don't know. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're in the ball game. That's all right. You're in the right place. Banana pancakes go ahead, sister.
Speaker 2:That was good hopefully this question is not. It's not off topic, but because I really struggle with this. I see the problem in denying that, like Holy Spirit is part of God or you know, just not understanding Holy Spirit is fully God, Jesus is fully God. But then there's like just wars going on online about Jesus is not the father and like this whole thing and it's.