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LIVE DISCUSSION: Exposition - Galatians 1:1-5 (PART 4 of 4)
The simplicity of Christ's gospel is constantly under threat from those who would complicate, distort, or add to it. We explore this tension between the pure message of salvation and the myriad of false teachings that have plagued Christianity since its earliest days.
What strikes many as remarkable is how eager believers are to debate complex theological concepts like Calvinism, cessationism, and apostolic succession while struggling to articulate the fundamental gospel message. When asked "What is the gospel?" many launch into lengthy explanations that somehow miss mentioning Christ crucified for our sins. This disconnect reveals a troubling pattern of prioritizing theological sophistication over gospel clarity.
We tackle head-on the question of Christ's kingdom, challenging the popular notion that the Kingdom of God is purely future rather than present reality. If Jesus isn't currently King, what is He? The logical inconsistencies in delay-focused eschatology become apparent when examined through Scripture. Unlike every earthly empire that has risen and fallen, Christ's kingdom continues to grow despite opposition. As one participant powerfully stated, "Christians are invincible until the Lord calls us home."
False teachings throughout church history share common traits—they typically introduce "new revelations" that contradict established Scripture, often delivered through special messengers or angels. From Mormonism's strange origins to modalism's confusion of the Trinity's persons, these teachings fail the test of biblical consistency. Paul warned the Galatians that any alteration to the gospel message produces "another gospel," which is no gospel at all.
The discussion culminates in highlighting penal substitutionary atonement as the diamond of our salvation—the apex of Christianity. When fully understood, this central truth about Christ giving himself "for our sins to deliver us from this present evil world" serves as an anchor against doctrinal drift and false teaching.
Ready to strengthen your foundation in the true gospel? Join us as we explore how to recognize truth in a world of counterfeits, and remember: don't just know what you believe, know why you believe it.
that you can be condemned of Nothing. You might be chastised in this world, but condemnation that's not for the people in Christ's kingdom, that's for the people in the kingdom of Babylon, satan's kingdom, the kingdom of darkness, and this is what needs to be understood. So, christians, we need to take this stuff seriously. You can argue with me all you need to take this stuff seriously. You can argue with me all you want to, that's fine. But what you cannot do is dismiss what I say or what any other Christian says. If it is true. If it's true, dislike me all you want, but believe the truth. And if it bothers you to hear something contrary, it doesn't hurt you to go and see whether or not these things be true or not I don't know if you've noticed, uh, brother jonathan.
Speaker 2:Um, maybe it's happened on your life, maybe you've encountered it with people. Um, calvinism in itself, tulip, it's hated, right. People hate it. Man wants to be sovereign. He's all wanted to be sovereign, that's it, right. It's not new news to the mature calvinist that it's hated. We know it's hated, right, people, when they see a calvinist live or something they, straight away, they want to argue truly persevere to the saints, limited atonement.
Speaker 2:They want to argue sola scriptura. They want to argue salvation by grace, through faith, and they want to spend these lengthy or even like when you're doing their, uh, their tongues live, right, they want to argue cessationism and all these things. Yet I don't know if you've ever noticed it, but if you stop and ask them something real simple, as in what is the gospel, most of the time they cannot answer you. They do not know. And I witnessed it on a live today. Um, I seen a man ask another man what is the gospel? And he went on a 25 preaching excursion and yet to mention christ crucified. But they wanted to discuss these massive topics of kingdoms and cessationism and the Holy Spirit, apostolic succession, eucharist, all these lengthy topics, hypostases and Trinity, and yet most people don't know the gospel, they don't even know Christ crucified. They've left even elementary things where they never understood in the first place amen and Paul says that they frustrate the simplicity that is in Christ.
Speaker 1:Amen, and Sister Chosen, you're totally right. You get these people, you pin them down. They can't stand it. They can't stand it. They can't stand it.
Speaker 3:I heard somebody the other day it was a oneness and she was like, yeah, those three dudes that were in the lion's den, and I'm thinking to myself Shadrach, meshach and Abednego and I'm like to myself, shadrach, meshach and Abednego, and I'm like the three dudes.
Speaker 2:This is exactly what I'm saying. This is exactly what I'm saying. Like people want to argue massive topics and they don't know even the best.
Speaker 1:Right, what is the gospel? I mean, we had a guy earlier, before you came on here. He was on here and he popped off and it's like he's trying to tell me that there's multiple gospels. I'm like, my goodness, what Multiple gospels Jesus came to see. The gospel comes to us from God. So when you consider the nature of God, when you consider the nature of God, there could not be two gospels, because it would imply there was a flaw with the previous one. So if it comes from God and it required a second one, then something was wrong with the first one.
Speaker 1:This is why, even when we argue about things like the kingdom of God, people say there's going to be the kingdom of God that's going to come after some rapture, whatever, all this kind of stuff. And then it's like and then it's like, uh. Then I'm like, well, what kingdom are we in right now? Well, this isn't the kingdom of God. Well, is Jesus king? Yeah, but you just said we're not in the kingdom of God right now. Well, we're not. He's going to be a king later. Well then, what is he now? If he's not a king, if he's going to be a king later, what is he now? You know, see what happens is you start watching people in real time glitch and, to be honest with you, they're just like, but you're twisting it, Well, this is the kingdom of you know. And then it goes on and on, and then they will make an argument, for example, like I hear this all the time and Greg, I saw you, I saw you speaking, I'll have you come up next. So you know.
Speaker 1:They say, well, if we're in, if we're, if we're in the kingdom now, then what kingdom was Satan offering Jesus in the temptation? I'm like, oh my gosh, you really can't be asking that. First of all, when does Satan ever tell the truth? Can you imagine the idea that somebody believe that Satan actually has the kingdom that Christ has, that Christ governs? So they believe that just because Satan offered Christ in his human flesh, just because he offered him a kingdom, that must mean that he was telling the truth and that he had one.
Speaker 1:Satan only has one kingdom the kingdom of darkness, the kingdom of this world. That's the only kingdom he rolls and trolls in. But the kingdom of the world, which includes whatever kingdom Satan has, all of it belongs to Christ. When he was here and he cast out demons out of people. What was Satan doing? Was he giving him permission to do it? No, he was doing it. They were asking him hey, don't, don't take me out of here. Now let me go to the pigs. They're asking permission from the lord of glory. Because, why? Because he's the king now and and in fact the Bible makes it very clear he was born king of the Jews. They were looking for him who had been born king. But anyway, I digressed a little bit, greg. Go ahead, brother, you were going to say something.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, there's one gospel, there's one kingdom, and the thing people get tripped up on is when well, there's the, there's the gospel of god, there's the gospel of the kingdom, you know, there's the gospel of salvation, but you got to think of it this way. What that's saying is the gospel as it relates to the kingdom right, the gospel as it relates to the kingdom Right, the gospel as it relates to or as it pertains to salvation. You know what I mean. So it's just different aspects of the one gospel, same thing with the word kingdom right.
Speaker 1:And it also depends on who's saying it. But here's the thing this is a great, this is a great example of what I mean when I talk about. When you understand, like the Old Testament scriptures, and you read, you get to read. You get to Daniel, chapter two, and you read about the stone that was to be cut out of the mountain without hands. Who is going to set up his kingdom? You wonder what is it? What is that talking about? Who is it talking about? Who is the stone that was cut out without hand? Who cut out without hands? And what does that mean? It's the Lord Jesus Christ. He's the stone, because he's the rock. He's unmovable. He's God almighty, unchangeable. With him there is no variableness or shadow of turning. He's the holy one. And it says he's a stone cut out without hands. What does that mean? It means he was uncreated. He wasn't a creation like man. He was divine, he was the eternal one. That's why he wasn't made.
Speaker 1:So many Christians think they're getting really deep and philosophical and academic when they say God created Jesus. No, he did not. A body was prepared for him, certainly, but nothing about the Lord Jesus Christ was made with hands. He was the eternal son of God and it said in Daniel's images, in Daniel's image of the four, metal image with gold and silver and brass, and brass mixed with clay on the feet, and you had this representing four kingdoms the Babylonian kingdom, the Medo-Persian kingdom, the Greek kingdom under Alexander, and then you had the Roman empire. And it says that in the days of these kings shall the stone be cut out without hands and it will fall on the feet of this image and knock it down and it will consume all the kingdoms of the world. That can only be when Christ came, and he's the one that did this during the time of the Roman Empire, when Israel had been subjugated to Roman rule, in Jerusalem itself, which was a province of Rome.
Speaker 1:But see, christians most of us that call ourselves Christians today they don't want to go and do that. They want to go to these churches and hoop and holler and speak in tongues and fall all over around lathering, you know, or getting in their pulpit talking about how much they love Trump. Don't care, don't care. We're here to serve Christ, not politicians, not these men who want to be known for having special gifts that they don't have, not to hear all the things that we want to hear so we can feel good about.
Speaker 1:The pursuit of greed and money and power and fame and glory All these things is wearing us out, but what should be of value to us is what Paul says here in Galatians 1, 3 and 4. Grace be to you and peace from God, the father, and from our Lord, jesus Christ. And then here it is, who gave himself for our sins. This is what we should take the most joy in. Why? So that he might deliver us from this present evil world According to the will of God and our father, meaning that Christ giving himself for our sins to deliver us from this present world, this is done according to the will of God, of God and our father, which means that whoever it is whom Christ died for, all of those, all of you whom Christ died for, you know because you love him. If you love him, he died for you, amen.
Speaker 3:I think every oneness should read the beginning of Paul's epistles, because they would really see the distinctions. They would see how Paul addresses God I mean man, it's always the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, always.
Speaker 1:Always.
Speaker 3:They're equal, they're one and they are yet separate persons, but they are in total unity and with the holy spirit, and even in verse three, where it's where it says grace be to you and peace from god, the father, and from our lord jesus christ, there's a comma who? Who was the? Who lord jesus christ gave himself for our sin? Do you know? There's a heresy out there that's called patri-passionism. Have you ever heard of it?
Speaker 1:it. No, I'm glad I haven't.
Speaker 3:It is a heresy back in the second century, where what that word means is the father suffered. So when they say that Jesus is the father, they say that the father suffered on the cross.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's silly, it's nuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's silly, that's nuts. Yeah, that's silly. That's, that's just that whole um, yeah, that modalism thing. Again, that's what that is. That's that's. It's just silly. It's just silly, it's just so stupid and I don't know and and and. The thing about it is I just don't get it. It's just like why would I listen to a man in 1830s who tells me that God gave him some blue goggles to read some plates and to tell him I'm going to give you another gospel and you know, but I still want you to use the Bible, but my new book called the book of Mormon. This is really going to get things straight and set things in order. What kind of a person do you have to be to fall for this? Soon, as you talk about the blue goggles, I'm done.
Speaker 2:I've never heard of that.
Speaker 3:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:the blue goggles, you know what he's been cooking, but he's cooking so funny, like. Everything you said is true, but I'm just out honestly, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:What do you mean? The blue goggles? Can you elaborate? I've never heard of that you never heard?
Speaker 1:you ever heard about Joseph Smith how he discovered the Mormon church?
Speaker 3:no, no, I heard that he was in the woods or something.
Speaker 1:No, there were some plates. According to him, there were some plates that had the gospel on it, the new gospel but he was given these special blue goggles by God in order for him to read it, so he can interpret it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, he got that from Gabriel. Gabriel was supposed to go to him and gave him this, that's right, it's just like islam, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it's the same it's the same thing. But look at all these, look at all these cults, right, uh, muhammad, charles, deus, or so joseph smith? Right, this is. This is why I am sold a Scriptura. They come with a new revelation. A new revelation, a new idea. It's always a message from an angel, it's always a new prophecy and it always contradicts previous revelation.
Speaker 3:All the time and they can never read or write.
Speaker 2:It always contradicts. I was going to say to Brother Jonathan, all these heresies that Meg said. So I knew there, the heresies that Meg said. So I knew there was heresies, but until I came on TikTok I did not know how many heresies there actually was. Honestly, TikTok was a whole new world for me. There is binatarians, there is unitarians, there's just all sorts out there.
Speaker 2:Anyways, a lot of what we deal with. The apostles dealt with it and the early church fathers dealt with it. Now it's encouraging, but it's also a bit discouraging that all these heresies, they're going to be here until Christ returns, Because Christ is going to come, he's going to separate the sheep from the goats and they're going to be here from the goats and they're going to be here. So it's a bit discouraging that these heretics and these prosperity preachers and the rest of it, they're going to be here and they're staying. But it's also encouraging that all christians throughout the ages, they've dealt with them, the arguments have been dealt with and christianity, true christianity, has almost come out on top. It's never filled. It's the truth. You know we have the bible. It's never failed. It's the truth. You know we have the Bible Like it's never failed. So at some point it's a bit these heretics aren't going anywhere. But at another point it's very encouraging that in 2,000 years since Christ came, we're still here with the same message, the same gospel, and Christ's church is still growing.
Speaker 1:It's still here. You know, that's really's what you're saying. Chosen is perfect. I'm coming to you legacy in a second. I'll come to you in a second hold, on one second.
Speaker 1:So the the, if you think about it, every kingdom in this world has ever known. They've all come and they have all fallen, and I personally believe we're witnessing the fall of America right now, in slow motion. This fall is caving. But my point is all these nations, they come and they go, but the only one that hasn't is the kingdom of Christ. His kingdom is the only one that has. When it started, it continued to grow and it continues to grow until this very day, and they have never been able to get rid of it. They can't get rid of the word of God, they can't get rid of the Holy Spirit. They tried to burn Bibles, they tried to burn Christians at the stake, and all they do is. It's like when you step on a rose and you crush it. What does it do? It makes the fragrance permeate the air. You can't, you can't kill christians. We are invincible, like charles spurgeon said.
Speaker 3:We are invincible until the lord calls us home it's like, it's like baby kids, we don't die, we multiply legacy go ahead, brother.
Speaker 1:You're gonna say something. I know I cut you off. Go ahead, brother.
Speaker 6:Legacy yeah, I was on one of their lives and, um, they were explaining that the holy spirit is actually the angel gabriel. I was like, wow. I said, oh my days he's. I was like jesus, jesus is the orc angel in lds and now in theirs that the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel. And I was like, oh my days, I've heard a lot of stuff. I was like, oh my days oh my days.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what they say. Well, they see what they say is is that what the Mormons? What they teach is? That is that Satan and Jesus are brothers and both of these brothers were asked by God, the father, to present how they would approach saving men, present their way of salvation. And the way of Jesus is salvation, is the one God accepted. And then that made Satan mad, and so he, you know, and so this is. But the whole thing is how do you read Hebrews and think that there's any possibility that Satan can be on equal footing with Christ in any way? But that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother, whole nother. Can of worms I've never heard oh yeah, that's that's what they
Speaker 3:believe I've never heard that.
Speaker 6:But did you know what? Hey, who knows? I mean, I know what the bible says. Look, there's all kind of stories that are the prokofa, that's adam and eve, that's enoch, that's look.
Speaker 1:There's no telling, bro, there's no telling, no telling at all, man, but it is. And this is, this is what happens. Because, you know, I, I, I happen to know a lot about this because early, or you know, in my early christian years, as part of this, my studies, it was like, uh, learning about all these different, these different uh religions and you know, and most christians, when they become, when they first become christian, um, I see you, ojo, I'll call you right now so they get done. But soon they become christian, the first thing they want to go do is go attack all the false religions, and I'm like you haven't even got a handle on the one that you believe right now yet, but they want to go. But I really came to a conclusion and it's funny because you can't go wrong, and Greg, my brother, greg, he corrected me this on one message that I gave one time on live, where it went off the rails for me, and the reason why is because I got away from sticking to the scriptures and started dealing with trying to explain the counterfeit.
Speaker 1:Well, you don't need to deal. You don't need to be able to understand what's counterfeit. If you understand what's real, deal with the real and you'll know how to deal with the counterfeit when it happens, because that's what the Spirit of God does to you. He calls to remembrance those things that you have learned, that you have applied yourself to do. So you have so many people that they're sitting around waiting for the Holy Spirit to do something for them. But if you haven't got into the Word of God, he has nothing to use. He has nothing to use. He has nothing to use. You're not going to get. You're not going to get some special understanding it's so true.
Speaker 7:Our lord like confronts people, saying woe to these people to guard us about what they're doing, like how they're, you know, selling in the temples, how they're being um hypocrites, how they're. They're judging people wrongly the pharisees, but also the Sadducees, the other religious leaders. And it's so funny because when people don't focus on what Jesus is actually saying to them, they can be caught up in oh how will I be able to discern what is true and what is false? It's like Jesus literally tells you woe to the things that are false and explains what's false and how you can avoid it.
Speaker 1:You mean he explains what's false and how you can avoid it. No, you mean he explains what's true.
Speaker 7:But he says woe to the things that are false and explains how we can know that it's false.
Speaker 1:Right, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying, Brother Ocho. What were you going to say, brother Ocho? You there.
Speaker 8:How you doing, man. I'm doing all right, man, I'm doing all right. Yeah, man, yeah that Mormon stuff, man, that's crazy. Actually, the angel that appeared to Joseph Smith, his name was Moroni. That's where you get Mormon from. Yeah, south Park, I don't know. You know, back in the day I used to see it, but they did a thing on the on the mormons man and it was hilarious. Dude, it's actually not.
Speaker 7:That's actually not where you get mormonism from. There's a guy whose last name was mormon and he founded the church after joseph smith had died. He was.
Speaker 4:He was one of.
Speaker 7:No, no, no Mormon. So Moroni is the angel, but the guy Mormon he basically founded, founded the church, collected the witnesses and collected what I guess their scriptures are, and as he canonized them. They called themselves or at least they did call themselves Mormons. Now they don't call themselves that anymore, right?
Speaker 8:Yeah, they call themselves the Latter-day Saints, right.
Speaker 7:But, host, actually to answer your question, they would never say that Jesus now is equal to Satan now, but they would say, before Jesus became God he was equal to Satan Right, which obviously is the most heretical thing that you could ever heard.
Speaker 1:Absolutely brother and the thing about. But what they're also known for is their religion. What their faith is is it's known for being a revolving religion. So they're a lot like the Catholic Church in this way that they leave room to grow. It's just like, for instance, now you'll see within the Mormon church. You know it's just like for.
Speaker 1:Just like, for instance, now you'll see within the Mormon church you might see a, a, a, one of their religious leaders, one of their elders being black, which they didn't used to allow, for example. You know so. So they leave room to grow that the true word of God embraces all of those people, of all nations, tongues and creeds, and they have one common bond that they love the Lord Jesus Christ and they're loved by him. And they have all been given the gift of the Holy Spirit to teach them how to understand Christ and how to get a better understanding about him, so that they can continue to lift him up higher in the estimation of not only their cell themselves, but an estimation of others yeah, unfortunately it's even worse than that.
Speaker 7:So the canon, the, the catholics at least they have some sort of standard for by which they judge, because they have infallible scripture and infallible creeds and infallible um doctrines, so of course that stuff can change. The problem is, the mormons actually don't have anything infallible rightines, so of course that stuff can change. The problem is, the Mormons actually don't have anything infallible. When you ask them like, do you hold to the Bible as perfect, inerrant and infallible, meaning that it is the total rule of faith for believers, they would say no, we don't actually hold to anything infallible. Which is again such a problem because, as we know, our Lord and our God Jesus says to us in Matthew, chapter seven you who hears my words and does them, builds their house on a rock, right, right. That is infallibility. That is, if you do what he says, then you're going to perfectly be able to preserve, or the Holy Spirit is going to work in you and the holy spirit is going to preserve your salvation right it's just really.
Speaker 7:It's really tough, though, because the mormons don't hold to any of that, which is just ridiculous. I mean, you can't really have a church at that point. It's not a church when you don't have any fundamental.
Speaker 1:You know you don't have when you don't have a creed is what we would call it, what I would say you know, you could have a creed, but see more than a creed, though if, if some like somebody can have, for example, I technically wouldn't have a problem with the church changing.
Speaker 7:The problem is, I do have a problem with, like the idea that you say, okay, here's something infallible and then we change that something infallible, right, right. However, I have a bigger, bigger problem with the Mormons, who don't even hold anything to be infallible. So they're saying, when Jesus says that they build their house on a rock, what they really mean is they build their house on toothpicks because it's not actually infallible. You know what I mean, right, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got you know, they got, you know they're. Well, we know where they stand. I mean, it's not the gospel and it's not Christianity at all, and and, and you know, and the funny thing is, this is also very suited for what Paul is going to start talking about, because in verse four he says that Christ gave himself for us to deliver us from this present world, according to will of god the father, god and our father. And then he goes on to say in verse five, to whom? Meaning to the god the father, be glory forever and ever. Amen. And here's where this is what paul says.
Speaker 1:After that, after that, wonderful greeting. This is how Paul says. After that, after that wonderful greeting. This is how he begins the conversation, excuse me, the conversation with the Galatians, and this is where we'll pick up on tomorrow. He says I marvel, in other words, I'm amazed. I'm amazed Galatia, I'm amazed, galatia, that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel, which is not another gospel, but there'll be some that trouble you and would pervert the gospel. And this is what we're just starting to talk about with brother defender and what legacy was saying.
Speaker 1:But Paul has this greeting in verses one through five, and he reminds them that Christ gave himself for them to deliver them from this present evil world, according to the will of God, the father. And then he says so I got an issue now. I'm amazed how you can be so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel, highlighting that there's only one gospel. Further highlighting, as we're going to see in the upcoming discussions, that even if you take the whole gospel, like my brother Defender was talking about, the Catholic Church, they have this idea that they hold to the infallibility of the word of God.
Speaker 1:But here's what they do which makes their, their infallible word of God fallible is that they take the word of God and say, yes, this is God's word, but we can add to it. That is what the perversion is. To pervert the gospel of Christ is to take the gospel of Christ as a whole, own it and then just add to it. So when you add anything, anything to the gospel, it is no longer the gospel, and that's where we're going to pick it. Go ahead, brother.
Speaker 6:That's where you go into my favorite scripture that I use all the time. It's 1 Timothy 4, 1 through 10. And that really nails in the coffin for exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Brother, do you have your word with you? Yeah, what's up? Read those verses and we'll close with that. Read those passages and we'll close with that. Okay, it was 1 Timothy 4, 1 through 10, right.
Speaker 6:Yes, sir, just give me a second. 1 Timothy 4. 1 Timothy 4. 1.
Speaker 6:But the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by the hypocrisy of liars, hypocrisy of liars who have been seared in their own conscience.
Speaker 6:That would mean taking a hot metal object and searing something and not having it healed correctly. Right who have forbid marriage and advocate from abstaining for foods which God created to be shared and with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth, for everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. In pointing out these things to the brothers, you will be good servant of Christ Jesus, being nourished on the words of faith and the sound doctrine which you have been following, but refuse godless myths fit only for old women. On the other hand, train yourself for the purpose of godliness, for bodily training and only in little profit. But godliness is profitable for all things, since it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come, if it is trustworthy, saying and deserving full acceptance for it is for this we labor and strive before. We have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
Speaker 1:Amen, brother, appreciate that, appreciate you reading that. So with that, I want to give everybody a quick exit, a quick uh you know comment to close out. Uh, keep it short, no sermons, and then we're going. We'll end the session for tonight and pick up tomorrow where we left off. Sister Lisa, you want to go first?
Speaker 9:Um, so I just want to end by reading a verse Romans three, 23. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified by his grace as a gift through the, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Period. Well, there's a comma and it goes on, but I'm saying period, full stop. There you go.
Speaker 1:All right, banana pancakes Last word.
Speaker 5:Matthew five, 11. Blessed. All right, banana pancakes. Last word, matthew 511. Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you, falsely on my account. Blessed are we.
Speaker 1:Amen sister. Thank you for that, brother Greg.
Speaker 4:Last word last word, so the part about where it says uh, jesus christ, who gave himself for our sins, it all comes back to penal substitutionary atonement. That's the foundation of it all. So, while there may be many aspects to the atonement you know there's the adoption aspect, you know the kingdom aspect but it all starts, the root of it all is substitution and that's like every false gospel, every false religion, every false doctrine will collapse under cross examination brother, I think, I think that in person, you and me would talk about this subject for hours, because I think that you probably share the same kind of love for that part of the doctrines of grace.
Speaker 1:because I love that subject, because to me, so much of what is wrong in how people interpret the scripture is misinterpreting what you just talked about. It's the diamond of our salvation, the atonement. It's the diamond, it's the apex of this whole thing that we call Christianity. Brother Ocho, last word, brother.
Speaker 8:Yeah, Romans 8, 1-2. Therefore, there is no commendation. Condem commendation.
Speaker 1:Condemnation.
Speaker 8:For those in Christ Jesus, for the law of the spirit of life in Jesus Christ has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Speaker 1:Amen, brother, Appreciate that. Sister Mae last word.
Speaker 3:Don't only know what you believe, know why you believe it.
Speaker 1:Amen, amen. You know one of the verses that Brother Legacy read I really like when he says here which verse was it? It was 1 through 10. Oh, he says in verse 4 of 1 Timothy 4,. For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with things given, for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. Those two things go together and we grow, and we grow and continue to be sanctified by keeping engaged in God's word and keeping engaged in prayer, him talking to us and us talking to him. It's that fellowship of the faith that we have that sustains us and it causes us to grow in the grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Sister Mariah, last one with the last word.
Speaker 5:I'm down a little and all these Give thanks and supplication to God, hold on and know, like Sister Meg was saying, not what you believe, but why you believe it. It's so important to be able to give an account for the very thing that it is that you hope for, and to explain it with simplicity. I love this and I can't wait to dive in deeper into this with you all yeah, we're gonna.
Speaker 1:We're gonna get into it. We're gonna pick up in verses five and six tomorrow. So, um or six, and yeah, five and six tomorrow. But I'm looking forward to it. I want to thank everybody for participating. As always, I think it's the greatest live on TikTok as far as I'm concerned. I enjoy it. We have a good fellowship and good time. I want to keep hopefully we can keep it going and spread it out. With that being said, be provoked I think Jonathan likes when we do that and spread it out, but with that being said, be provoked and be persuaded.
Speaker 3:I think Jonathan likes when we do that.
Speaker 1:I do, I love it.
Speaker 3:You just need to say be provoked. And then we say be, persuaded.
Speaker 1:All right, ladies, you guys have a good night and we'll get back on it tomorrow, all right?
Speaker 9:God bless all of y'all, god bless you all. God bless everybody.