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The Bible Provocateur
LIVE DISCUSSION: Foolish & Bewitched (Part 4 of 4)
The eternal struggle between law and grace takes center stage in this powerful examination of Galatians 3:1-5. What happens when believers who start their journey in faith begin mixing in elements of law-keeping? Paul's pointed questions to the Galatians reveal the dangerous territory of mixing these two incompatible systems.
At the heart of this discussion lies a profound truth: salvation comes exclusively through faith in Christ's finished work, with no room for human effort or law-keeping. The group unpacks Paul's rhetorical strategy, showing how he leads the Galatians to self-judgment by asking whether they received the Spirit through works of the law or through faith. The answer becomes painfully obvious when framed this way.
Perhaps most striking is Paul's question about suffering: "Have you suffered so many things in vain?" These believers had endured persecution for their faith in Christ, yet by returning to law, they were nullifying the very purpose of their suffering. A powerful litmus test emerges from the conversation - can you explain your salvation without using personal pronouns? If your explanation involves "I did" or "I must," you may have departed from the true gospel.
The group shares a beautiful progression of spiritual understanding: "The law points us to the cross. That bloody cross points us to an empty tomb, and that empty tomb points us to a risen Lord." We never move backward from grace to law, only forward in our journey with Christ.
Whether you're wrestling with legalism, curious about the relationship between faith and works, or simply wanting deeper biblical understanding, this discussion offers clarity on one of Christianity's most fundamental and frequently misunderstood doctrines. Join us as we explore what it truly means to be saved by grace through faith.
Is the soul going to wind up? Is a soul going to follow the law Right, it's life? And then hear these words depart from me, I never knew you. Or is the soul going to follow grace and receive mercy and kindness and forgiveness through the cross and the work that was done there? And then hear the words well done, good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of the Lord.
Speaker 2:Jonathan.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of times we can overlook what eternity is. We just think of it as forever and ever and ever, which. It's more than that. It's, as we've talked about, existence apart from time, but we think about how wonderful it's going to be when we're with Jesus, and it will be Jonathan. What's the alternative? What is the alternative? There's our motivation right there, to to work with people and explain grace 10,000 more times If we have to, if it saves one, if it brings one to Christ, it was worth it. Right, what we're doing, brother, what you're doing, what we're listening to tonight, we've got to continue to do it. Continue in grace, keep, so keep on keeping on, brother. I want to encourage you. We've got to continue to do it. Continue, so keep on keeping on, brother. I want to encourage you, we want to encourage you. We love you. Let's just take this out into the world and go Absolutely.
Speaker 3:I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 4:He's ready to pack tonight.
Speaker 1:It was packed a long time ago, meg, I'm dead serious.
Speaker 1:I posted a comment a while ago about him and I Jonathan and I I want to do a revival sometime, everybody, maybe at some point in the future when we can all get a set of time and meet someplace and we can do a revival, either for a weekend or for a week or whatever. And just ask the Lord if he would have us to do that, jonathan, I'm curious about it. His answer may be no, and I can accept that, but I want you and I and everyone else to just ask the Lord if he would allow us to do that, to take this wonderful message and share it with as many people as we possibly can. That's my burden.
Speaker 1:That's my burden.
Speaker 3:We're going to talk about this because I definitely want us to get together and do this. We were talking about this and I was hoping to be on a faster track when it comes to what I'm going through right now, and I suspect this will be over in the next week and then we can start working on those plans, so I definitely look forward to that.
Speaker 1:Hey Brother Jeffrey, all I got to say is don't you put no acre box in my hand well, we'll just, we'll just put you up there behind the pulpit one night and let you go at it and share I don't even need an acre box it was let you up there with your notes in your hand and you do it, girl. I mean, you know, just go up there and do it she can do it too I know she can.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm saying it. You know, I've already seen it, I've heard it, you know well, everybody in this panel I mean I've heard all of you speak and share All of you have got a powerful testimony. All of us have something wonderful to share. I mean, it's just God has brought this group together and there are others who aren't here tonight for a reason.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 1:And what I'm saying is maybe I'm off track here. Tell me, if I am, that we need to pray about Lord. Do you have an even greater purpose for us other than sitting under Jonathan's excellent teaching?
Speaker 3:You're too kind brother.
Speaker 1:Well, just being truthful, all right, I'm done, I'll get off my soapbox.
Speaker 3:So.
Speaker 3:So here, thank you for that, brother. Good words, and we're going to definitely follow through with it, for sure, I intend to, for sure. So in Galatians 3, now we come to verse 4. Paul asked another question, another question, also in the Socratic manner that he does. He says have you suffered so many things in vain? If it yet, if it be yet in vain. Now let me let me explain what he's talking about.
Speaker 3:So we've been talking about what he is indicting the Galatians for, that which is adding the law to grace, to the gospel, the gospel of grace. He's they're adding to it, perverting the gospel and making it another gospel, which is not another gospel. But they have been duped, they've been and they perverted the word of god. They've been bewitched. They became foolish in this endeavor. In doing so, paul makes them, he tries give bring them some recall by asking them these questions so that the answers result in self-judgment. And so now he's adding to his complaint, he's adding to their indictment and he says have you suffered so many things in vain? And then he says if it yet be in vain. So this is going to be a direct answer. This is Paul's answer to Lisa.
Speaker 3:What you were asking earlier about are the whole, is the Holy Spirit in these people or not? So listen to what he's saying here. He's saying that, for Christ's sake, they have been suffering. There's been some suffering as a result of them believing in this Messiah, and the suffering takes many forms Mockery, persecution, trials, whatever it is ridicule but they suffered. They suffered for this faith, this belief, this salvation by grace, this faith in Christ. They embraced it and they suffered for it. And so now they have people come to them saying well, you know what Things might be a little lighter on you if you will accept some of these legal things that we have always, for centuries, have been upholding. So if you just add a few of these things to the mix, you'll be fine.
Speaker 3:Paul says no, you cannot do that. You cannot start out down this path, receiving the spirit of God through the hearing of faith, and then add to the law. And so now he's trying to, in his mind, he's getting warmed up and he's going listen, you should. You know, you, you were. You received salvation by, by faith, and you, you suffered for it.
Speaker 3:And now he says so, after having suffered for so many things, he goes did you suffer in vain? In other words, was it all for no reason? Did you do this for no reason? What was the point? You suffered and now you think that you're going to be remedied by keeping the law. And so he says listen to this, lisa, and I'm pointing Lisa out because she asked that question. He says have you suffered so many things in vain? And then he says you suffered so many things in vain. And then he says if it be yet in vain. The reason why he says if it be yet in vain is because he is of the. He has hope that it has not been in vain, and the only way that it won't be in vain is if they come to their senses. You understand okay so so.
Speaker 3:So he's going. Have you suffered so many things in vain? In other words, if you are continued on this path, then all your sufferings were worthless, worthless. Now imagine, like we have Sister Evie, who's not here tonight, but remember, sister Evie this Sunday is going off to, to the dominican republic, then dominican republic to evangelize and witness. Now imagine if she were to go out there or any in a group of people. Go out there and they're telling people the gospel and they say you know what? You're saved by grace, through faith.
Speaker 3:But you also have to make sure that, in order to be saved, that you get baptized, or that you stop eating meat, or that you do this, or that you get circumcised, or that you get a second baptism of the Holy, whatever it may be. I'm just throwing things out there. There is no ritual, there is no nothing that results in human effort that can be added to this gospel, nothing that results in human effort that can be added to this gospel. Now, if she were to go out there and endure being persecuted by people who are condemning her for being out there preaching Christ in the first place, but for her to be preaching Christ in the first place, to be condemned for it and then only to have herself become condemned while she's adding to the gospel, which I'm sure she won't do. I know she won't do, but what I'm saying is that would mean that her labor and what she has been teaching and what she's been doing and what she endured as a result of it, is all in vain.
Speaker 3:So Paul is saying have you suffered so many things in vain? In other words, it's all like you said, lisa, it's all for nothing If you have altered what salvation by grace, through faith, is. And he says it's in vain. He goes have you suffered so many things in vain? If it yet be in vain. Paul is extending to them in his mind that it is his hope that it is not in vain. That's why he says if it yet be in vain. In other words, it won't be in vain if you return to your senses, self-judge, judge thyself and then be cleared of this nonsense. I remember one time Lisa told me I don't know, a couple years ago I guess, and you know she brought to my attention how often I use the word stupid.
Speaker 5:I love it. I loved it. I would have said it. I loved it Cause it was.
Speaker 4:I would have said it, he switched. But Lisa, if you notice here recently, maybe in like the last eight months, he switched. Stupid for nonsense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm trying to, I'm trying to tap it down. So that's his word.
Speaker 4:Now. This is not. He has me saying it Like I'll go on a live and be like you're just talking straight nonsense. He has me saying it like I'll go on a live and be like you're just talking straight.
Speaker 7:Yeah it is, but in my translation Paul says are you stupid? He says it in my translation, so I don't see nothing wrong with that If Paul's saying it in here.
Speaker 3:No, but I'm just saying that's what Paul was. That's literally what Paul was saying, yeah and so.
Speaker 5:But it's so funny because Lisa said, yeah, I love that, but I was thinking like well, I don't want her to love that, I don't want that to be the thing she takes away, but it was Listen, your heart is. Your heart is so transparent. But it was just like you say be provoked to be persuaded, it was just your catch. That is just stupid right here. It's just stupid.
Speaker 3:And the thing about it is sometimes I have to remind people, sometimes because I can separate you from what you say. Now, if an unbeliever, somebody who doesn't know Christ, is saying something that's contrary to the word of God, I'm not calling them stupid because they don't know, they haven't been enlightened, they haven't been illuminated the way Christians are supposed to. Or somebody's telling you that, yeah, you got to be, you got to be, um, uh, you saved by grace, but if you don't obey these, these, these, these other additional laws, then you're not going to be saved. And that's the kind of stuff I have to call stupid. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3:And how is it? And think about how this sounds. If you're preaching the gospel, you go out, you go out to to people to evangelize, you tell them the whole gospel. They get all lathered up and excited with joy because they're going to receive the Holy Spirit, because they're going to accept the faith, accept Christ by faith and believe, only to turn back around and tell you at the same time, but if you don't continue doing the things contained, in the law, you're going to lose your salvation.
Speaker 7:That's their gospel. Brother Jonathan, that's just like the. Pharisees and, as I've said to you before, just to encourage you, speaking the truth to people, whether they accept it or not, is an act of love, just like Jesus did. He used to love your enemies. He was loving the Pharisees by telling them the truth and he was speaking the truth. So that's what you're doing, Even if you have to say that bold word. Jesus said them to, Paul said them to stand in that and don't budge, because that's an act of love.
Speaker 3:Amen, amen, sister. Now the last verse. I'm going to make it Greg, I think I might make it brother. Genesis, galatians 3, 5, last verse for tonight. Paul asks another question, another question. He tells the Galatians he therefore that ministers to you the spirit and works miracles among you. Talking about himself and the other apostles, he goes do we do these things by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith? What happened? Let me ask everybody, let me ask a few people. Somebody can just throw it out there, answer out there, just one person or you know whatever, just somebody throw it out there. What happened when miracles attended the law, when miracles were associated with the law? What was the result? Anybody, no, no, no. What was the result? Anybody, no, no, no.
Speaker 5:They went right back to their sin. It didn't do anything.
Speaker 3:When you saw the miraculous attend, the law come and was associated with the law. What was the result of those miraculous things? Destruction.
Speaker 6:What's that Wrath?
Speaker 3:Wrath, what did?
Speaker 6:you say Greg.
Speaker 3:Destruction and destruction. There was destruction, there was judgment, there was wrath, there was threatenings Every time, every time. So when you go back to the 10 plagues, we saw miraculous, awesome, miraculous wonders and works by God, and it was for judgment, all for judgment. And Paul says here, he therefore that ministers to you, meaning himself, I. He says, I minister to you the spirit and I work miracles among you. Did I do this by the works of the law or did I do this by the hearing of faith? The answer is obvious. You know, paul is identifying the one who ministers. He's, he could see, and even though it it's Paul's doing it, paul is, or it may be, the agent of it. This is ultimately God doing this. And so what he's saying is that he therefore that ministers you the spirit. He's talking about God, but he's doing this through the agency of his, of his apostles and whatnot, of his apostles and whatnot. So he says, but he ultimately means God is the one who ministered to you the spirit and work these miracles among you. Does he do this by the works of the law or does it attend the hearing of faith? Is it annexed to the hearing of faith? And so, again, he puts this question into their minds and they have to answer the question what is it that you're leaning on? Is it the works of the law or is it by the hearing of faith? Is your salvation the result of the works of the law or by the hearing of faith? And I want to reemphasize, as I must do over and over again, they don't intermingle, it is one or the other. So, even if you believe that you need to keep the law, you cannot say that you are saved by grace and still be seeking to keep the law for your salvation. And Paul makes it clear here, he makes it clear here these blessings that he's talking about, they don't come by the law, they come by faith.
Speaker 3:I think it was Mariah that talked about what happened in Capernaum when Christ could not do miracles. Why? Why could he do miracles? Because there was no belief, there was no faith, there was no faith. So when you receive the Spirit, it comes by the hearing of faith. And when you receive the Spirit as a result of the hearing of faith, then you get to see the miracles of God. You get to see the miracles of God, but what benefit? In any capacity? In any capacity as a believer, someone who claims to be converted by the grace of God. What capacity then? Therefore, does the law serve? None, and this is Paul's argument. Jeffrey, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Just got to jump off here, man. It's 10 o'clock, it's time for the old man to hit the sack, so I want to say thank you all. God bless you all. This has been an extra special night tonight. You all have contributed a ton to my old brain. I thank you all. God bless you all. This has been an extra special night tonight. You all have contributed a ton to my old brain. I love you all for it. Good night. Hopefully we'll see you again tomorrow night. God bless everybody. Good night, good night Jeff.
Speaker 3:Sister Lisa go ahead.
Speaker 5:So I don't know if y'all can you, is it just me? I keep hearing a man's voice saying, and I look and everybody's mic is muted. It's like the weirdest thing.
Speaker 3:It's me Cause I keep hearing it too, and I because I'm I'm going. You're people are talking and I'm going. I don't think anybody can hear it, but I I keep hearing the echo somewhere, I don't know why, I thought I think I'm going insane. No, no, I am going insane and I figured out that it was me and so maybe it's my own phone some kind of way. I don't know why, but you're right, I did hear that and I don't know why it's doing that.
Speaker 5:It never does it, I'm looking around going everybody's muted.
Speaker 3:I'm the culprit. I thought it was your phone at one time and I muted your phone because I thought it was your phone but it wasn't. I was like I'm an idiot. It was me the whole time.
Speaker 7:Oh, you thought it was me, because I'm in the phone.
Speaker 5:That's too much. It's too much, too much yeah.
Speaker 3:But we see this theme. We see this theme as I close here on these passages, on these verses, and you will notice that in all five of these verses Paul asks a very important question and each one is a different question. And again, the question that he's asking is you see this theme recurring again in all in these five verses. So he asked the question and he says did this, did the spirit teach you this or show you this or point you this way, according to the law, by the works of the law, or did you receive this, the spirit, by by the works of the law or by the hearing of the faith? And you notice he keeps repeating this over and over again. He talks about all of the various blessings and advantages that they received. And then he asked the question did this come by way of the works of the law or human effort, or did this come according to the hearing of faith? The answer is always going to be the same it is by the hearing of faith. But you will find a great many Christians who will say, yes, it is by the hearing of faith, but, but, but, but. And. Whenever you throw that but in there it is not. Whatever you're adding, is going to turn it into something that it is not and is no longer what could be construed as saving.
Speaker 3:I remember in college I had an oral communications class and they had us do this paper on something, and so they saw the professor had a. He had, he had knowledge as a result of these papers to what everyone in the classroom's position was on abortion. Doing this is because he was going to later have another lecture where he was going to call on several people to come express their views on abortion. I was one of those people selected. I was against abortion, totally against it Now. So I had to give, get up in front of the front of the lecture hall and explain my argument for my opposition to abortion, and what I didn't know Was that everybody who was left in the lecture hall supported it. So my whole, the whole message was was was for me to make my case to a whole bunch of people who oppose the very view that I was about to express, and I didn't know that. He didn't tell us that till after it was over, but when I was making my case for abortion, I closed by asking a simple question, because I understand the power of the last thing that is heard will be the first thing remembered, and so what I said was I will concede my thinking in some form or fashion If anyone here can give me the justification, an explanation, for supporting abortion without using a personal pronoun. If you can give me a reason for supporting abortion without using a personal pronoun, I will start to rethink some aspects of my view. This was back in my 20s, so now I'm taking that same idea.
Speaker 3:I've taken that same idea since then and applied it in the way I address folks when it comes to how they came to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, and my goal is, when I am talking to people who like to incorporate elements of the law into salvation, I ask people to explain your salvation without using a personal pronoun, because once you explain the gospel and incorporating the use of a personal pronoun and incorporating the use of a personal pronoun, whatever your gospel is, that is not it. It is no longer the gospel, and so that means that when people ask us how we are saved, it should not be I, me, my, my, as part of the answer at all, unless you start by saying I was a sinner After that. But that's talking about before, but we're talking about when you, after you, became a Christian, when you became a believer, when you came to know you were saved by grace, by the hearing of faith.
Speaker 3:Your only explanation for what salvation is can never be expressed using a personal pronoun, and have it be the gospel as the Bible outlines, and so on that note, that's going to be my last word, basically, but I want to give you guys, your last word before we close. So this is your last word for the night. No sermons. Last word for the night. I'll start with you, sister Mariah.
Speaker 9:That end just makes me think of 1 Corinthians 15, when Paul says For I have given you, which I also first received myself, how Christ died for our sins, how he was buried and how he rose. And again, we can do nothing without Christ. And so, yes, I agree wholeheartedly, and that resonated with me, because that throws red flags to me when somebody says, and I have you know, come to this myself, and it just saddens me that I see somebody warped in pride and self-righteousness. So if anybody is on here and wants to truly receive the Lord, it is by the shedding of the blood, or without the shedding of the blood that christ had um done on the cross of calvary. Then there is no remission for sins, for life of the flesh is in the blood amen, sister.
Speaker 3:Appreciate that good word there.
Speaker 2:Brother greg, last word for the night you recall, I didn't take one last night, so I get a double portion tonight. All right, elijah, go ahead. It'll just be a mini sermon, though you know it's funny. I used to wrap up a lot of my when I was in my open air days, you know, with. I used to wrap it up with with something along those lines said you know, if you, uh, if you want to live today, and god says to you, why should I let you into heaven?
Speaker 2:if your answer starts with because I yes well, a big trap door is going to open under your feet and you're going straight down. Right, your answer has to start with either because jesus, because god, or because christ. Right, that's how it is. So, anyway, that's it. And if anyone isn't familiar with Ray Comfort and you're interested in evangelism, you really should check out his most popular teaching. It's called Hell's Best Kept Secret and you can find it on the internet, youtube, anywhere, and listen to it.
Speaker 2:With this one caveat in his. You know, earlier, like years I don't know if he's changed now or not, but he almost used to like, you know, he used the law to prepare the way for the gospel, which is completely biblical, but then it was almost like he was taking people from the cross and pointing them back to Moses right, saying now that you're saved, now go obey the law. So, with that caveat, don't fall into that trap, because here's the thing the law does prepare the way for the gospel. The law points us to a bloody cross, but that cross doesn't point us back to the law, and I've heard so many preachers say that. You know it's like two sides. You know it's like two guardrails on the freeway.
Speaker 2:The law, you know. You know if we go too far, one way we run into the law that points us to the cross. The cross points us back to the law. No, no, no, no, no. It's. The law points us to the cross. That bloody cross points us to an empty tomb, and that empty tomb points us to a risen Lord, and that's where it's. This is an onward and upward adventure. It's never backwards, right? So I think that's it. I love that, so I think that's it.
Speaker 3:I love that. That's a really good way of looking at it too, because, you're right, it doesn't point us. You know, everything points us to that cross, and the fact that our Lord came off of it, that's beautiful. I couldn't put that better. I love that, sister Meg.
Speaker 4:Last word I think that when we look at this, like in its totality, like so many people say, less of me, more of him all the time. But what does that really look like? Right, it's like less of my pride, less of my plans, less of my strength and my glory and my flesh, and it's more of his humility, his will and his power and his glory and his spirit. And I just, I just want to take a moment to just thank the Lord and Lord, god, I just thank you so much for your grace that you have bestowed on each and every one of us, lord, and yet so many times when we try to act in our flesh, heavenly father, we see that it amounts to absolutely nothing and it is only by your grace that we are saved.
Speaker 4:Lord, and as you continue to read your word, lord God, I just ask that you would just continue to humble ourselves before you, lord God, in true surrender of who you are, and I just man, I just glorify you. I just man, I just glorify you. Studies like this, brother Jonathan, just really have me leave in a study like this, just glorifying the Lord, thanking him for his atonement and the salvation that he so graciously, unmeritedly, gave to each and every one of us as a gift that there's nothing in this world that we could have done to earn it. It has nothing to do with us. In Jonah 2, verse 9, salvation is of the Lord.
Speaker 3:Amen sister.
Speaker 7:Sister Angie. Last word I'd like to read something that Greg actually posted earlier. Word I'd like to read something that greg actually posted earlier, and it's in first timothy um, verses 8 through 11. It says but we know that the torah is good, provided one uses it in the way that the torah itself intends. We are aware that the torah is not for a person who is righteous, but for those who are heedless of the to and rebellious, ungodly and sinful, wicked and worldly. For the people who unalive their fathers and mothers for murders and sexual immorality, both heterosexual and homosexual, slave dealers, liars, perjurers and anyone who acts on the contrary. Set to sound teaching that accords with the good news of the glorious and blessed God. I just love that because that goes to our to what we were saying about the law versus grace to faith.
Speaker 6:Amen sister.
Speaker 3:That's awesome, brother.
Speaker 8:Super Bowl, last word, brother the verse itself in the question that he asked, when he said did you receive the spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of the spirit? Because I come across a lot of TikToks that say well, you know, you have to be baptized in order to be saved. You have to be baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit. And that's not what paul is saying here, because they they'll say well, you know, well, you, you receive the holy spirit by hearing the word and believing it. Well, no, you receive it by baptism. It's like, well, hang on.
Speaker 8:Because paul is saying right here did you receive it by the works of the law? And what is the law? It comes from god, and you're saying that jesus commanded to be baptized. So, if it's not the works, is the law? It comes from God, and you're saying that Jesus commanded to be baptized. So, if it's not the works of the law that you receive the spirit. But by hearing the word. Now you're adding to the word hearing by saying oh well, when they heard, that means that they got baptized, they repented, they did this and they did that. No, they heard the word and received the spirit.
Speaker 3:Yes, Good point, brother. Really good point, really good point. I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 4:And brother Jonathan, it is superbly, superbly, superbly. What did I say? Superbowl, that's what I called him the first time to ask him.
Speaker 3:Oh, like hyperbole.
Speaker 4:I guess yeah, yeah, he's superbly I got it now.
Speaker 3:Now, I mean, I was like, I was like I didn't understand super bowl, but hey, superbly, didn't I call you super bowl? The first time though yeah I did I called him super bowl. I thought some kind of a super bowl reference.
Speaker 8:I didn't know I was like well, let me introduce myself. My name is Brian hey, brian, and I'm Jonathan, by the way, and I came up with that because I'm in automotive restoration and for a number of years of that, I was painting and when something came out really, really right, they would just say that was superb. And so I just kind of took that on.
Speaker 3:What kind of cars do you restore?
Speaker 8:Pretty much anything after the 70s or before the 70s Send me your send me.
Speaker 4:Brother Jonathan loves cars.
Speaker 3:Look at him, you have a car, guys, send me your website or whatever, your number, whatever.
Speaker 8:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 8:I'll link you up with our Facebook page. It's Frisco Hill in St Louis, Missouri, Frisco Hill Auto. But I'll link you up with our Facebook page and I think we have an Instagram.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll link you up with that. Yeah, just send me your contact information, or whatever, I'll give you a call. Yeah, just send me your contact information, whatever, I'll give you a call. Yeah, god's word, last word, brother, for tonight. What is it?
Speaker 6:Let us hear something I would like to just read a couple of verses out of Hebrews, if you don't mind, because it's going ahead and Paul's talking to the Hebrews and re-readering the same thing on faith. I'd like to start with 11.6, if you don't mind. It's without faith it is impossible to please God, for whoever Whosoever would approach him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. And then I'd like to skip a little bit further and go to verse 25 there, or 24, by faith, moses. Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called a son of Pharaoh's daughter, choosing rather than hearing the real treatment with the people of God before the pleading pleasures of sin, he considered abuse, suffering for the Christ to be greater wealth than the treasure to be where he was looking to end it with that.
Speaker 3:All right, brother. Thank you for that, Lisa. Last word before we wrap it up tonight.
Speaker 5:Well, I just want to say again I'm so grateful to be in these lives and to have the opportunity to ask questions, and it's such a blessing to me. You guys are all so, so amazing. Just makes me feel grateful when I realize that, I mean, how magnificent our Lord is and how big his love is. You know that we can't even receive the gospel unless he allows it. You know what I mean, and I think sometimes people forget that and just take it for granted that oh, we heard it and we understood it. But when you, like Meg, said sometimes you know these things that we can't understand that unless we're given the understanding, it's just incredible. So anyway, thank you very much everybody, and these all these always help me, so so much what is this good?
Speaker 3:because I like um.
Speaker 3:One thing that I like here is that, uh, if there's something I miss in these verses, in these passages that we talk about, I got.
Speaker 3:I cannot ask for a more illustrious group to help fill in the blanks or to show a different facet of this jewel that we have that we call the gospel of grace, and so I'm thankful for that because it helps put a polish or a fine point on all these elements that we're talking about, and we all I'm sure we all agree that that the depths of the riches of the word of God that can be gleaned, that can be dug up in this whole thing, is so immeasurable.
Speaker 3:We can't get it all, but even to get a little bit that we get in these nights is just such an amazing thing, and so I appreciate everybody you know for for being here and making their contribution, because and we have probably about two or three times as many people um here, and you know so, every day we get, you know we'll have a core group and then people switch out and in and out, and it's just a great thing to have. So I am truly humbled by being able to be surrounded by such a great group of people. So, with that being said, be provoked and be persuaded.
Speaker 7:Persuaded.
Speaker 3:Be persuaded. All right, you guys have a great night, my mic was off. Be persuaded, man, I needed your voice in there. You have the vocero. Oh, bogus, All right everybody have a great night. We'll talk tomorrow goodnight.