The Bible Provocateur
The Bible Provocateur
LIVE DISCUSSION: Faith PREVAILS, Torah FAILS! (Part 4 of 4)
The age-old tension between grace and human effort takes center stage in this thought-provoking discussion of Paul's letter to the Galatians. Drawing from the apostle's fiery defense of the gospel, we explore why so many people—both in ancient Galatia and modern times—struggle with the concept of salvation by grace alone.
Why do we instinctively resist authority and divine intervention? Our conversation examines how human nature craves recognition and control, even in spiritual matters. "Nobody likes being told what to do, and men don't like to do anything that they don't get credit for," one participant observes, capturing the essence of our resistance to pure grace.
The discussion takes a fascinating turn as we explore Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus about being "born again"—revealing how this spiritual rebirth parallels God's creation narrative. Just as the formless, dark void of Genesis 1 awaited God's "Let there be light," our spiritual condition requires divine illumination before transformation can begin. This powerful metaphor helps us understand why salvation must begin with God's initiative rather than our own.
We don't shy away from controversial topics, including a critical examination of modern church practices like altar calls and "rededications" that may inadvertently undermine the very gospel they aim to promote. The conversation includes a particularly revealing look at Paul's provocative language in Galatians 5:12, where his frustration with legalists reaches a surprising climax.
Whether you're wrestling with questions about divine sovereignty, human free will, or the nature of true spiritual freedom, this episode offers refreshing insights from scripture that challenge conventional wisdom. You'll come away with a deeper appreciation for the radical nature of grace and why, as one participant beautifully phrases it, "The only way to be free is to be a slave to Christ."
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You know it's like this. It's like you know people like I saw I saw this video today with Denzel Washington and he was being interviewed and he was saying something about he that he doesn't, that he doesn't follow any man follow any man. Now he did say that he follows Christ only. He did say that in his defense. But the first part of what he said is what I think. The problem is that most men have People. Nobody likes being told what to do, and men don't like to do anything that they don't get credit for. So it's just like this. It's sort of like you know how many times have you offered to help somebody? Or vice versa, and the person on the side of necessity, even though that person needs it, desperately needs it, and they go. I can't take that. I can't take that, even though they need it, and they go. I can't take that. I can't take that, even though they need it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Is not this just the same thing in the world, but in a more serious fashion, you know they start thinking about well, I don't want to be told I need to go to church. I don't want to be told I need to read the Bible. I don't want to be told that I need to fellowship with Christians. I don't want to be told I need to read the Bible. I don't want to be told that I need to fellowship with Christians. I don't need to be told that I need to pray. And you know me, when I talk to people it's like I'm not going to tell you to do anything. It's that belief Christ will deal with the rest. And see, sometimes we always feel, more often than not, because Christians like to talk. I'm no different. We like to talk and very often we say more than is necessary. Sometimes we need to let people stew and marinate in the simple gospel truths. Sometimes we need to give them the smackdown and just walk away. And I mean that proverbially, of course, meaning that you know your problem is you don't want to give up sin. But if you would have Christ, you must give up sin. You cannot have sin and be saved by grace. And if somebody's telling you that you can have salvation by Christ and then you can still continue Down this other path that you've been In. They're telling you Something that is not true. Every person that we talk to Is different and there are different aspects. They're telling you something that is not true. Every person that we talk to is different and there are different aspects.
Speaker 1:Christ was a surgeon of dealing with the souls. He was a physician of souls. He knew what was in men and he knew exactly what to say and what to hit, because he knew where their problems were, where their flaws were. Like he told the rich young ruler oh, you kept everything for your youth up, you kept all the law. He says okay, well, go ahead and sell everything you have and come and follow me. And the guy went away. He went away sorrowful, because he had great wealth. You know, sister Angie, go ahead or Fortnone, were you finished, brother?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. I was just curious on kind of the why people have such a problem with the free will thing. But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you know, one thing that I always say to these people is like, why would you want it, why would you really want it? Because there is no good outcome of any man exercising the freedom of will outside of Christ. There's no good outcome from that.
Speaker 4:Amen brother.
Speaker 1:Andrew. Go ahead Andrew, and then Megan. Then I want to try to finish up this last verse.
Speaker 4:Go ahead, andrea, and then Megan. I want to try to finish up this last verse. Yeah, because I do understand what it's like when Paul is in that whole situation there about being persecuted and stuff, because I had a sister, a biological sister that she converted to Judaism and that's where I was living with and it really was that whole back and forth, me staying steadfast in the word. And you talk about testing your, your, your shoes off and keep going. That's exactly what I did. I did not falter in my faith, I did not falter in what the truth of the word says and and it was sad, but you know what? I kept on going, because that's what the word does it does cause division with those who have the stumbling block in those things. And she would say certain things to me like well, if you do this, then and I go well, if that's the case, then christ died for nothing. You know like I would say, just like well it's.
Speaker 1:It's just what.
Speaker 4:It's just what we just read the point like so it's like I actually know what that's like because of this thing, so it didn't really hurt my feelings. It was sad to me. Yes, of course it was, because she didn't see it, but it wasn't for me to do that for her. It was like I said the word and that was it, and then if she was influenced by something else, there was nothing I could do other than to pray for her and say Christ, you have to open her eyes, because it's not my, my doing, but that thing with with having to see the stumbling block in someone that you actually love and you and you know you have to go, okay, you know, uh, so bad, but she persecuted me and you know about that, brother, but it was a bluffing but think about.
Speaker 1:But think about this for a second. Like we paul says earlier, he says to them you did run well, who's hindered you? And and so, and then now you see this part here where he says where if you would have circumcision to accompany justification by faith, then the cross has become an offense to you. And see this and see what happened with what happened with the, the ancient nation of israel. Was that the grace of god, that christ preached about faith and what he all those things that he preached in the apostles preached about? The more intense that the preaching became and the more influence that it had over the people, the more incensed they became, because the cross became an offense to them. It became an offense to them, it became a stumbling block to them, and that's exactly that is clearly what they were told, um Meg. And then I'll finish the last verse here.
Speaker 3:I think the biggest stumbling block for Christians is that they want the power to choose. They want to say that they made this decision and the biggest thing that when I talk about this is choosing God. So when it comes to salvation, they want to say that they chose Christ. But if we read scripture, the word of God says no one can come to me unless the father draws them. That's right. It says no one.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:So this is where people feel that, well, did God make me. Well, go look up what draw means. It means to drag.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, yeah, but this also goes back to what we talked about the other day is that the significance of this gift that we've been given is that we've become new creatures, given a new nature. So the fact is, we do choose Christ, but we choose Christ only because he chose us and then therefore enabled us to believe. So. So, in other words, the choice that you make for that person that's born from above, that then repents, that then looks to Christ in faith, you know what I mean. So the issue is, you know, because people talk about the order, or the ordo salutis in soteriology, you know the order of what takes place in salvation, of what takes place in salvation. Nothing happens until God moves, just like in the creation.
Speaker 1:In the first chapter of the book of the Bible, the first thing, the earth was without form and void. Guess what we were before we came to faith Without form and void? When the earth was created, it says darkness was upon the face of the deep. What were we before? The spirit of grace shone on us. We were darkness, covered in darkness, just like creation. This is why I always say the first gospel message in the Bible is right there, in the first verses of the Bible.
Speaker 1:In Genesis, the earth was without form, dark and void, formless, shapeless, chaotic. That's where we are. Everything changed when what happened? Everything changed when the Lord spoke and he said. What did he say? Because the first three words he says Is the first three words in our salvation Let there be light. And there was light. That is what took place, and so it wasn't until we were enlightened fully and born again, birthed from above, that we were able to choose Christ, to look to him. And it really wasn't even a choice, because that's all a newborn child knows is who his, his, his mother is, knows who his father is. That's all they know. They really don't make choices amongst parents.
Speaker 2:You've been set free.
Speaker 1:You've been set totally free brother, Totally free.
Speaker 2:Not much of a choice to go on when it says you're free, right, there's nothing else to do, you're free.
Speaker 1:But we have gospel people, ministers of the faith, christians, that run out there and tell people that being born again is a directive. It's not a directive. It's a declaration of what must take place if you're going to be saved. But it's not a declaration as if it's something you can go do. This is the mistake that Nicodemus made. How do I go back into my mother's womb? But you see, that's how silly it was. And what did Christ tell him? With men it's impossible. The spirit moves where it wills and goes where it wills, and so is the spirit of God. He didn't tell him go and be saved, go and be born again. He said you must be born again. That's how it happens. But the spirit moves as he wills, on His timing, and so we see that many of the problems that folks, when they hear, when people have who are Christians, it starts by sitting under some bad teaching which assumes things that were never conveyed in scripture, like, for instance you know, you guys heard me talk about this a lot I like altar calls. I despise altar calls lot. I did like altar calls, I despise altar calls. I think it is the worst practice, one of the worst practices ever introduced into into into christianity. Say this prayer after me and they tell you you say this prayer after me, you will be saved.
Speaker 1:They are in this church setting preacher preaches a message. He feels pretty good about himself conveying this strong message. He might even say, like I've heard many times, god says there's people here that he's tugging on their hearts and he's calling you right now. He's asking you to get up out of that seat or he's asking you to slip your hand up into the air. You know the spirit is tugging on you. Could just be emotion, could just be manipulation.
Speaker 1:Go to a concert of your favorite artists. See them do it all night. People going to these places and passing out. But see what happens is people get caught up in this euphoric experience and then they go back home over a period of time and then they feel that they're saved. So they run up to the front. They run up to the front, stampede run up to the front and they're praying for them. And then they tell them you're saved now. Then they give them a pamphlet and go home. There's variations of this whole thing. I don't want anybody saying that I'm telling something that's not true. I've been to many churches where they've done this, and we all know this is what happens in a lot of American churches.
Speaker 5:A lot of them, probably most of them, I would argue and so Jonathan, that's probably why a lot of people, as they get older, they feel the need to go back to the altar on their own. Well, that's just it At their home, and they get on their knees and they're crying out themselves, because then it's truly, truly from the depths of them.
Speaker 1:Right. So then this introduces this falsehood, introduces another thing. So when people, when they, when people realize that it didn't take, you know, like a bad perm it didn't take then they're told well, come back to the church and rededicate yourself. Now you got rededications. What is that? What's a rededication? And so you know. And then you know, then you have churches that you know they do these things, where we're going to have a baby dedication. What is that? What is a baby dedication? You know.
Speaker 1:And so people start introducing these things that they have no biblical warrant for, because and this is what I mean when I say that not only do people say too much, say more than they need to, they do more than they need to. And Paul says this a little leaven leavens the whole lump. You introduce one thing, you put the whole system in jeopardy. This is what he means when he says a little leaven one thing. You put the whole system in jeopardy. This is what he means when he says a little leaven leavens the whole lump. Don't add anything to what I said. My son made it clear, my word makes it clear. Don't add anything to his word, because a little leaven leavens the whole lump.
Speaker 1:Last verse Paul says in verse 12, I could wish. Now, in defense of his little flock here in Galatia, he says I could wish that those who trouble you Would even cut themselves Off. I wish that those who trouble you Would even cut themselves Off. Brother Jeffrey, man of God, what do you think he means when he says I wish that these who trouble you would even cut themselves off? What is he saying that he wishes for them?
Speaker 6:Well, you know, cut themselves off, go away.
Speaker 1:You're going to be more specific than that, brother.
Speaker 6:Well, I mean to be gone, you know, to stop disputing about the truth.
Speaker 1:I mean why cut off?
Speaker 6:Well, I mean, because they are polluting the gospel they are influencing, they're a bad influence on those who believe they're confusing people. They're just causing confusion and discord. Those who believe they're confusing people, that are, they're confused, they. They're just causing confusion and discord. And so when you, I mean you know if you've got, if you've got a tumor on your skin, you don't sit there and just pat it and say, oh, please behave. And don't you know, kill me, you cut it off, you have it removed.
Speaker 1:All right, brother Jeffrey, I encourage you to serve me. Cut off. Why cut off? Why is he using his mouth?
Speaker 7:Because he sees what they're teaching as a cancer on grace, cut off.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. I'm sorry, you're fine.
Speaker 7:Paul sees it as a cancer on grace to remove it, because if they don't, it's going to kill them spiritually. Okay, but I wanted to read this, my version. My Bible says as for these agitators, I wish they would go the whole way, and it uses the word emasculate themselves. All right, so I'm like I'm a little bit confused that he would go and use that particular word.
Speaker 1:Angie, what do you say?
Speaker 4:Yeah, my version says, says are we getting an echo? Uh, okay, um, when my version said, my translation says I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves. That's like go ahead and just circumcise yourself so you can't keep producing again, so you can't come over here and produce any more of that stuff again.
Speaker 1:So he's making, he's taking the language that is associated with circumcision and he's saying just what she said. He's telling them that he wishes that they would go all the way with it on themselves. Right, you guys understand what he's saying here.
Speaker 6:Emasculation is a little further than circumcision. It's cutting off some Exactly.
Speaker 8:That's what he's saying.
Speaker 4:Yes, go and become a eunuch so you can't produce any more of this foul stuff you're bringing into our community.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, yes. He's saying I wish they would go all the way. My sister got it. That's it. I'm telling you, that's it. That's what he's saying. I can wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves. That's what he's talking about. Jeffrey, go ahead. Are you going to say something? There? You go, brother. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7:Yeah, just real quick, jonathan. Let's stop and think about this for just a second. What we have just discovered here he is telling them. He's saying just go the whole way. He's saying, essentially isn't he saying if you want hell, if you want to believe you're saved by something other than grace, then believe it. Right right, that's scary stuff. That's some scary stuff. We're dealing with eternity here. We're dealing with separation from God here, and that's what he's telling them. If that's what you want, then embrace it. If that's what you want, then embrace it.
Speaker 1:Paul, this apostle doesn't mince words.
Speaker 7:He doesn't mince words. We know that doesn't mince words.
Speaker 1:Provocative persuader, you know. But let me tell you something this is what he's. Paul is going to bat for them and he is not mincing words, and he means business. And for him to say what he said here, because people with today imagine saying this today, in today's terms. Imagine if I got on here and were saying something like this to this sensitive era that we live in today and tell them that if you think that your will or your altar call, or your baptism or your this or your church or this, whatever all these things you want to add, you're not going to, you know, you're not going to this church on Saturday, or you're not going to this church on Saturday, all these things, your diet thing, all this nonsense that people try to bind your conscience with. If I were to go and tell them what Paul just said.
Speaker 3:What? To castrate themselves?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that's what I thought that they were saying. This is what he's saying, that's exactly what he's saying.
Speaker 4:He wasn't playing around, just like he said in the very beginning, you stupid Galatians.
Speaker 3:I mean, he really didn't. He's probably like don't just cut the tip, cut the whole thing off, cut the whole thing off, come on, come on now, come on.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I mean emasculate and castrate means the same thing, but emasculate actually means E meaning out, and emasculate meaning man, right, basically, you remove your own manhood. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 5:He said he, but so he he's instruction better, guys, I'm pretty sure y'all probably feel better. It's not being said to.
Speaker 4:Yeah, instruction better guys, I'm pretty sure y'all probably feel better with that being said too In today's way, that everybody's all about their feelings and stuff like that. Oh, you would have been like banned off or on to talk like probation or something like that, because somebody would get offended.
Speaker 1:And it's actually the truth Somebody you know somebody like that, one guy, jeffrey. Yeah, there you go. Like that one guy who took, he got, he didn't like what I was saying to him and I only met the guy like five seconds and he was like and some of you guys know who he is and he took a picture of me and he put demon horns and gave me a demon tail, a satanic thing, and then posted it's like he actually. He was so bothered that he took time, like in the next five minutes, to go create this whole image Of me looking like Satan and then posted it on and I'm like this is what his version of godliness looks like.
Speaker 4:An effort to do that, more than he did to even accept the word of the truth. See, that's what gets me is that they spend so much time looking at the worst of everything and being offended than they are of actually wanting to be corrected.
Speaker 1:Yep. So here we are now.
Speaker 5:It's the fact that they won't even keep the open mind to go research and see if there is a different perspective that they can gather.
Speaker 1:Right. So anyway, we're going to have our last word for the night for everybody, and I have A hard 10.30 Shutdown, so but I wanna give everybody their last word Before we close tonight. I really enjoyed this conversation, it's a good one. So I'm gonna go around and get everybody's last word and and then we'll close it up for tonight. So, sister Candy, go ahead, your last word for tonight. I know you had another verse you wanted to bring out to us.
Speaker 5:It's actually a few verses, but it'll sum up and then you should have let me read it. I should have did it earlier In Colossians. Oh yeah, chapter 2. No sermons. It's chapter 2, verse 6 through 17. Yes or no?
Speaker 1:How many verses you got to go through?
Speaker 5:6 through 17. But I can skip some. But you know, it kind of hits on everything we've talked about.
Speaker 1:Why don't you just hit on what we talked about yourself? Explain it.
Speaker 5:Okay, so basically it's, we receive everything in Jesus Christ, so we're to walk in Him. We're rooted from the ground, from the roots of Him, and built up in the faith. We give thanksgiving, but we have to beware of anybody with that falseness so that we don't become and I say falseness and I'm talking about, just like verse 8 says the philosophy, the vain deceit in the tradition of men after the rudiments of the world, not after Christ. So we have the fullness of that Godhead. We're completing him, which is the head of all principalities and powers, so we shouldn't even be deceived by any of the principalities and powers.
Speaker 7:Right.
Speaker 5:So I an 11, I'm going to hit it Cause in whom also ye are circumcised, with the circumcision made without hands and putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, that's right of the operation of God, who hath raised us, who raised him from the dead and us being in him.
Speaker 5:We're also raised with him in life to live as God did with him, quickened, together with him and having been forgiven all of our trespasses. And then I'm gonna go on down here and hit. Let no man, therefore, judge you in me verse 16 or in drink, or in respect of the holy day, or of new moon or any of the Sabbath days, which are in shadow of things to come. But he, the body, is of Christ.
Speaker 1:Amen, sister, very good, very good. I like that last part because it was, it was definitely, it's definitely essential because a lot of those things in that list you just laid out are some, a lot of the things that people back then and still to this very day, like, like to try to implement and try to make a part of what is required for salvation, and so that's a good passage you brought in there.
Speaker 5:Sister Meg. I was like it kind of hits a little bit of everything, so like yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Sister Meg. Last word, encouraging. But I think what's more encouraging is that when we get into a space like this, it's to edify the body. And when we're edifying the body of Christ, what does it do? It builds up the church, and as it's building up the body of Christ, it should also build up the believer to pull out and talk about these things that need to be talked about. It's about having a conversation. Don't be afraid, don't be. You know. What I've learned is that the more you get into this word and you stand on truth, when you are walking in the spirit, you will not be offended at all, but when you are in your flesh, you will always be offended. So that's how a good sign to me that the Lord has revealed is when you are built up and you're walking in the flesh man, you are unoffendable, you don't get your feelings hurt, and it's a very mature place to be in Christ. And as we continue to grow, we just get more and more grateful for that, and I love it. So thank y'all.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it, brother. Fornone your last word for tonight, brother, and I'm glad you came up and I really appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you bringing me up. It's a great conversation Talking about the word. I love it. I was just going to share one of my favorite uh verses, which is uh romans 8, and it is verse. Well, which one do I want to start at? I'll just start at uh 20. So, for the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God, and that's what we have to look forward to.
Speaker 1:Amen.
Speaker 2:Whatever that means, one day we'll find out the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Speaker 1:Amen, brother. Once again, glad to have you, man. I really appreciate you being here. Thank you, Brother Jeff. Man of God, last word.
Speaker 6:Word is. You know is just the fact that you know we have to. Every time we come up with thinking about I, we're putting I back on the throne and Jesus is the only one that belongs on the throne. In fact, I was thinking. I've been studying Latin and you know, did you all know what the Latin word for I is?
Speaker 1:No Good one. What is it Ego?
Speaker 6:E-G-O, oh, ego. I learned something tonight. Yeah, ego, that's the Latin word for I, and it also is our word for the problem we have when we don't submit to God. I mean, to me, the only way to be free is to be a slave to Christ. Amen, that's my last word.
Speaker 1:Amen, brother, sister Angie, last word word Amen.
Speaker 4:Brother, sister Angie, last word, as usual. This is just such a beautiful gathering of the brothers and sisters. I just want to you know, just to iterate. What we are doing is that us true Christians do not try to produce righteousness in our own efforts, you know. Instead, we wait for the righteousness be fulfilled when christ returns.
Speaker 4:Um, and then you know, jesus. Jesus is the work on the cross, is the efforts of him and not of us, because if you even try that, it's useless for this stuff, right. But I want to read um, and it's, it's a further integration as iatians. It says, those who belong to christ jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the spirit, let us also keep in step with the spirit. Let us not become conceit provoking one another and in one another. But what does it mean to actually want to live? To keep in step with the spirit is actually to follow a leader, is what it means. Who is our leader? Christ Jesus. So we are following him and it's not of us, so it's not about us.
Speaker 4:I always say that all the time. It's not about us and so that part is dead to us true Christians. So we put in that walk in the spirit, cause you walk in the spirit, you don't. It's not even about about you don't even think about yourself in the in that vernacular, if that makes sense. So I just want to say thank you, brothers and sisters, for being in here and and all in the in the comments and everything. I just love you all so much and I, I really, when I can join in, I'm, I'm all in and I love it. So thank you, guys, and God bless and good night. I just want to appreciate that, Brother Brian.
Speaker 1:last word for tonight, my man.
Speaker 8:I would like to call our attention to Matthew 520. And there it begins to talk about unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees and the Sadducees, we will by no means enter to the kingdom. And then you go into that verse 48, it says be perfect, for God is perfect. So how in the world can we actually accomplish that? It's only in Christ. It's only in him. It's only in Christ. It's only in Him. It's only one way.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And it's expressive of being perfect. It also carries with it the connotation of being complete, and so perfection and completion. What you're saying is absolutely right, and it's only in Christ. And so you know. So, perfection and completion, you know. So what you're saying is absolutely right and it's only in Christ. And so when you add something to his perfection, it's an affront to his glory, right? It's like you're polluting, you're tainting it In some kind of way, disfiguring it. You're, you're, it's like you're polluting, you're tainting it in some kind of way, just figuring it. And so his perfections is his perfections. It's, it'll be all these things that make us complete in him and gives us the right standing before god. So that's, this is a great, a great reminder of that. So thank you for that, brother. Was there something else you wanted to add to it?
Speaker 8:brother Brian. That was it, amen.
Speaker 1:Brother Jeffrey, encouraging servant last word.
Speaker 7:Well, thank you, jonathan, for an incredible teaching tonight, and thank you to everybody, the entire panel for all of your contributions, your wisdom, your insight, the joy that you've shared, and we've all been provoked and persuaded this evening. Now let's take that and go out tomorrow and next week into the world and let's serve and encourage others with what we've been given tonight. Joni and I love you all. Take care, god bless, and good night. God bless, brother. I'll see you tomorrow morning. Yes, sir, you will. We're looking forward to it. We've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, man, looking forward to it. Buddy, God's word, last word for tonight. Okay, be short and sweet. Always focus on the living water that Christ gave us and never let our pride or the human pride tank that water, just like oil, will poison any water and make it undrinkable. Amen, brother, you know you're always direct to the point. I love that water and make it undrinkable, right? Amen, brother, you're always direct to the point. I love that.
Speaker 1:But anyway, guys and gals, ladies and gentlemen, I really enjoyed these conversations and they seem to just get better and better, and I just you guys have no idea what it does for me. It's a truly, truly a blessing and I'm just thankful for all of you guys and for your. I know that you guys can be anywhere you want to be, anywhere other than here. You guys always show up pretty consistently, even if it's once a week or whatever. It's just a great commitment that you give that I know you don't have to give. So I appreciate it and I feel truly, truly, truly blessed to be a part of this family that we have here. So, candy, go ahead. One more thing and then we're going to close up right there, sister.
Speaker 5:Jonathan, I just want to say thank you for coming on and doing your life tonight.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you, sister. I appreciate that, I appreciate that.
Speaker 5:I really, really thank you very, very much.
Speaker 1:Oh listen, this is good.
Speaker 5:Pardon me. I say God is good all the time. Where he makes a will, he makes a way.
Speaker 1:He makes a way. He always is. I'm so grateful and thankful for all of you guys, and just know that, just know that. And also, I wanted to say one thing too, that if you ever see me looking down, it's usually because I'm writing names down, so I don't forget to call on people when they pop up. So forgive me if it looks like I might not be paying attention. I really am. I just want to make sure I don't forget anybody, because every now and then I'll let it slip by, but that's the reason why. So anyway, that being said, be provoked and be persuaded. Have a good night, everybody, and I look forward to talking to you guys the next time, okay.
Speaker 6:Good night. Good night, god bless.