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LIVE DISCUSSION: SINsual Lusts of the Flesh (Part 1 of 4)
The battle between flesh and Spirit lies at the heart of our Christian walk. In this powerful examination of Galatians 5:16-23, we dive deep into Paul's stark contrast between two opposing forces that compete for dominance in our lives.
Walking in the Spirit represents true freedom - not a license to sin, but liberation from the impossible burden of law-keeping for justification. When Paul declares, "If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law," he reveals a fundamental truth: these two states cannot coexist. You're either governed by the indwelling Holy Spirit or striving under legalism's weight.
The works of the flesh manifest when we attempt self-justification through law-keeping. From sensual sins like adultery and fornication to religious sins like idolatry and witchcraft, to relational sins like hatred and strife - all emerge from our fallen nature. We explore why adultery receives particular emphasis, violating not just a human relationship but the sacred covenant that mirrors God's relationship with His people.
By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit develops gradually through sanctification. Like physical fruit that requires time to grow and ripen, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control emerge progressively as we walk with the Spirit. This understanding calls us to patience with ourselves and others in the growth process.
The fundamental truth of Galatians shines throughout: "Knowing that a man is not justified by works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ." We bring nothing to salvation except our sin; everything else required comes exclusively through Christ. This liberating reality transforms how we approach our relationship with God and our daily walk in the Spirit.
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Christians. For those of you who have followed me on the Bible Provocateur, this may be a strange place for you, but it is needful that I continue to do what needs to be done and in spite of the fact that my account, my primary account, was taken down, for I don't know. I've had several different reasons or excuses as to why that happened, but apparently they're trying to get it solved. But we will see if that in fact happens. So I'm going to continue with the lesson on the book of Galatians, which is a Galatians, which is a continuing exposition into the book, and I'm hoping that it will be a fruitful endeavor for all of those who have been my friends. On my other account, bear with me as we continue to try to get my other one restored. But you know what, if we don't, I will not be deterred and it will also open up for us a different audience, a wider audience that I think may be possibly a good reason for the problems that are currently taking place. So I'm in Galatians, chapter 5. I'm in Galatians, chapter 5. I'm in Galatians, chapter 5. And I will be dealing with verses 16 through 23.
Speaker 1:And the last time where we left off in the book of Galatians. We ended in verses 16 and 17, where it talked about walking in the book of Galatians. We ended in verses 16 and 17, where it talked about walking in the spirit, and by doing so you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. And then, in verse 17, it says for the flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary the one to the other. And then it says in verse 18, but if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law. If you're led of the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now, at the outset, it is important that we understand. It's important that we understand at the very outset that if you are led of the spirit, you're not under the law. If the spirit of God is in you, if the spirit of God is in you, then that means that you are not under the law and not subject to the dictates or the mandates of the law. There is no justification under the law, there's only justification by faith, and the only way that that can happen, the only way that that can happen is by faith.
Speaker 1:In Galatians, chapter 2,. I've said over and over and I'll continue to repeat it with every message that we have while we're on Galatians, that the heartbeat, the heartbeat of Paul's message on Galatians, is found in Galatians 2, verse 16, where he says Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by the faith of Jesus Christ. Even we have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, be justified by any works of any law? None, it is an absolute impossibility. So that leaves only one thing justification by faith, by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and by him alone. And this is where we find a great deal of the many problems that take place in the Christian church, because man wants to believe that it is something having to do with him that is necessary for his salvation. Now let me make this clear the only thing that man brings to the table is his nature and what is his nature? Sin. So the only thing that man brings to the table is his nature and what is his nature? Sin. So the only thing that man brings to the table is his sin. Everything else that is required for salvation, everything else that is required for salvation, can only be acquired or procured if done so by the Lord Jesus Christ himself.
Speaker 1:So in Galatians 5 and in verse 18, once again Paul says, and he's told the Galatian church but if you be led of the spirit, you are not under the law. So he gives you this very grand statement. It may not seem big to many of you listening, but it is a big statement. If you are led by the Holy Spirit, you are not under the law. Which means that if you are under the law, you are not being led by the Holy Spirit. And this is not something that goes back and forth between one and the other like a tennis match. You are either under the direction and the governorship and authority of the Holy Spirit or you are under the law. There's a transition from one to the other. You never go back and forth between the other like being volleyed on the volleyball court or tennis court or anything of that nature.
Speaker 1:If you are led of the Holy Spirit, that means the spirit of God lives within you now and that is who you are led by. And once you get to the point where you've attained the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in you, you are no longer under the law. The law can make no more claims over your soul. None. You have been justified by grace, through faith, and there is nothing left that you can be held responsible for in terms of obedience to the law and or the penal retribution that comes from his disobedience. If you are led by the Spirit, you have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son, our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Now, what I'm going to do now is read the verses that I intend to cover.
Speaker 3:Take heed that you be not consumed one of another. Excuse me, I don't know what happened here read the verses that I intend to cover.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, I don't know what happened here. All right, anyway. So let me read the verses that we're covering tonight in Galatians 5. It says this in verse 17,. Galatians 5, verse 17. And I want to read this before I go to the panel for opening remarks and thoughts.
Speaker 1:Verse 17, paul says to the Galatian church for the flesh it lusts against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary to one another, so that you cannot do the things that you would do. So that you cannot do the things that you would do. Verse 18, but if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law. So now, verse 19 is where we get into the passage of Scripture that we're going to cover tonight, and it says this now, the works are the flesh. The works of the flesh are manifest. Which are these? Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, heresies verse 21 envyings, murder, drunkenness, revelings and such the like, of which I tell you before, as I had told you in time past, that they which do such things Shall not inherit the kingdom Of God. So let's start with these and we'll get down to the remaining verse. Well, let me let me go ahead and finish reading Down to the end of the chapter, verse 22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance and such. There is no law. Now keep in mind, after reading these fruits of the Spirit, paul says in verse 23, that against such meaning, against these fruits of the Spirit, there is no law. Now remember what he said above, that if you be led of the spirit, you are not under the law. So the conclusion that we're to take away from this is that, if you are being led by the spirit, the fruits that we just mentioned are those things that spring forth from being led of the holy spirit, and this is important to be understood. So, so, in verse 24 and through 26, and then we'll get into this conversation they that are Christ have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the spirit, let us also walk in the spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another and ending one another.
Speaker 1:That being said, I'd like to go to the panel and get your opening remarks. Everybody, um, first of all, um, everybody here. Let me say this because those of you who are here on the panel tonight. You are generally my people, you're generally my people and I love you guys and I thank you for showing up and I'm overwhelmed that you are here and I'm grateful and thankful and I am sure beyond the shadow of a doubt that, for whatever reason this thing happened with my other account, there's a better situation brewing that God has, and I know that together we were going to find out. So, with that being said, let me start with my sister, candy Girl, your opening remarks, your thoughts that we're talking about tonight in Galatians 5.
Speaker 3:Welcome back Jonathan congregation Nice to gather with everybody else.
Speaker 5:We need a little church right now.
Speaker 4:I'm too excited right now. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:All right, brother Greg, glad you're here. Brother, opening remarks, thoughts, what's on your mind? First, to begin with, Not much, really Not much at this point. All right, you doing. All right, brother, yeah, hanging in there. All right, you got my message right. Yeah, I did, I replied to it. You did yeah, all right, well, I, I did, I replied to it. You did. Yeah, all right. Well, I'm going to look forward to it, because I didn't see it Unless you sent it today, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:A couple of days ago.
Speaker 1:All right, then I'm going to have to go back and look at that. All right, sister Lisa Yahoo.
Speaker 5:How you doing. How you doing. Oh, we are reunited. Yay, I am great man. I was missing you all. Oh my goodness. Um, that's my opening remarks. I'm so happy we're here, God bless you all.
Speaker 1:Well, this is what we're going to do until I can, until I figure out what they're going to do with the uh, if they can restore my old one, and but they said it was going to take uh up to 30 days. Um, but I'm not holding out. I'm prepared that if they don't get it to move forward and if they do, great, if they don't great, we'll figure out. We'll see what it is. The Lord is playing for us, so we'll do that.
Speaker 5:Amen.
Speaker 3:I'll just put a tune in my head. Amen. I just want to say I put a tune in my head and it's reunited and it feels so good.
Speaker 5:Oh man, I would sing, but you guys wouldn't like that.
Speaker 1:I'm singing in my mind. Brother Jeff, man of God. Opening thoughts remarks.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I just echo everybody else. I'm just glad we can get back and hear each other's voices. Of course I've been hearing them in your posts and you know I just sit in awe of my great teacher. But my thoughts about this is I mean, you know, there's no question, you can't walk in the law and walk in faith. You know, when you have faith you don't, you have the Spirit, you don't walk in the law. And the list of bad things that we have in the flesh. I mean I was listening as you read them off and they pretty much cover everything. I mean, if you sat down and thought about it, it probably covers every category of sin that we in our sin nature have. And I had been told the fruit of the Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit, is called such one reason because it embodies the Holy Spirit. It's not that he gives us these fruits he does, but it embodies Him. All those things describe Him.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 6:I mean he is the perfect. I mean we can't get those perfectly in life, but that's part of sanctification and eventually we will be made perfect and uh, but it's, it's still something to look at and say, you know, yeah, I want that, I want it well, here's the thing about.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing about fruit, right? So you plant a seed and then it begins to grow Right, and then it grows over a period of time. It doesn't come at once, right. Ripe fruit doesn't come at once. It takes time, it grows, and that's the same way fruit develops in us. Over time, it continues to grow and to mature and it becomes ripe and ready for consumption. That's how it works. And so, yeah, and so, and so the whole idea is the expectation that so many people have. The expectation is so many people have on seeing evidence of fruit in their life. Sometimes the fruit is there and even when it's growing, you may not even see it, you may not even recognize it, and even when you do, it is not ripe for the plucking, so to speak. So we have to be patient also with the development of fruit working in us.
Speaker 6:Right, and there's sometimes you see things like I can tell you for sure that over the years, sometimes you see things like I can tell you for sure that over the years 20, compared to 20 years ago, I'm a much more patient man. I mean, I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm just. I am life experiences and teaching and everything it put me in the place where I become. I become a lot more patient. I, you know, I used to pop up at everything. You want to fight, Okay, let's do it. And now I'd sit back and say, no, I don't have to do that. I mean this whole thing with people commenting on stuff. Sometimes I write comments on Facebook posts and stuff, saying look, it's like I've got a good friend of mine. I'm sorry to take so much time, but I think this is your name. I've got a friend of mine who's a, who's a fraternity brother from college, he's gay, he's got a husband.
Speaker 6:There are certain things that I don't want to talk about when he posts or I don't want to acknowledge, but you know it was interesting. He posted about Charlie Kirk, not in a negative way. I don't really know what his politics are. I would imagine they're probably liberal. But you know, I got on there and said look, you know, this is the way I see it. The Lord told me to love my neighbors myself. He told me to love my enemies. I said you know, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you're my enemy and I don't hate you for it. And the thing is I got some likes from friends of his and I wasn't looking for that but I just felt led to share that. As you know, this is the way it should be. If you ask me, do I believe in what you believe in, I would say no, but I'm not going to be mad about it, I'm not going to hate you, right?
Speaker 1:I understand Absolutely, brother Michael. Welcome my friend. Open your remarks and thoughts, all right.
Speaker 7:I got two things. I was going to say something to how you brought up about fruit, how those behaviors in the flesh are all instant gratification and how the fruit isn't. It's a marathon and it's a race that we run, being sanctified Also. I think I'm the same. You guys are my people, but I think Bible Provocator you are also, if I'm not mistaken. I thought I heard you talking about being a leatherneck before Leatherneck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 7:Did you talk about being a Marine before?
Speaker 1:Oh, navy? No, no, well, actually, yeah, I was Navy, but Marines are Navy, believe it or not?
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah, I'm a jarhead all right.
Speaker 1:So you know, you know how that argument always goes right.
Speaker 7:Yeah I got. Yeah, man, thank you for bringing us around the world, no problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, it's funny, man, we'd have you guys just by. I'm digressing for a little bit, but I used to be like I used to be on an amphibious ship for those of you who don't know which are the types of ships that carry the Marines everywhere and the ship that we had was a flat-bottom boat so we could take off the tanks and things like that, and so they rock a lot at sea, as Brother Michael will know. And, man, when the Marines were on board, man, we started rocking and rolling and they started getting sick. It's hilarious, because they come on board the ship, hoo-wah, and then, when the ship gets underway, it's like oh, you know, but we can't get things done without you, guys, man.
Speaker 1:So I thank you for your service, brother. Thank you for yours, thank you Likewise, and also thank you for your service, brother, thank you for yours. Thank you Likewise, and also thank you for your service, as well as everyone else here, in terms of what we do here, because this is what it's really all about. You know, sister Mariah, welcome, sister. Opening thoughts.
Speaker 3:Hi, I'm so glad to be here you through the midst of my chaos in the house.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 3:But I think that it's great to be able to discern what the fruits of the flesh are what the fruits of the flesh are and to be able to give discernment to those who either profess that they are of Christ and those who aren't Right. So I think that initially the things that are not of Christ are are evident and they will show. They cannot be hidden for long, but the fruit of the spirit are evident in a way that it could not be hidden ever. So I'm just fascinated about all scripture, as I always am, and I'm just really thrilled to be here with you all. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1:Always, it's your blessing to be here. I'm glad you're with us tonight, brother Jeffrey. Encouraging servant.
Speaker 4:Well, good evening Jonathan, good evening panel. I don't know about you, but I told Jonathan earlier today I have to have my Jonathan fix. You know, I think we're all turning into what we call ourselves Jonathan junkies. You know, we've got to have our fix of a Bible study every night. You know, jonathan, I was hoping you would be a little bit like Arnold Schwarzenegger and you would come on here and tell everybody I'll be back. And you have been man, you're back. So we're glad to have you.
Speaker 4:But looking forward to the study on Galatians 5, the fruit of the Spirit, I think when we were together a couple of weeks ago, I showed you the tattoo on my left arm of the fruit of the Spirit that I've got and that is so vitally important.
Speaker 4:And that is so vitally important If our lives are consistently producing the good fruit that you spoke about a minute ago and we can honestly say that our lives are producing those nine fruits in good measure, we're walking really close to God. So, everybody, I would challenge you to do that Go back, read every one of those and ask yourselves Lord, how am I producing each one of these nine fruits? And I say that everybody, because I've done it myself and I have to look at myself and say there's been times I failed and I've had to ask okay, lord, it's time to do some reconstruction here. I'm not producing this particular fruit very well. So, jonathan, thank you for your words tonight. Man, we're glad you're back. We love you and let's dive into God's Word and see what he has for us All. Right, brother, looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:Brother Kanan, how are you doing, jonathan? And hello brothers and sisters, good evening. I stumbled upon this live. I wasn't invited or anything, but that's okay, by God's will, I'm here. Yeah, it's okay, I'm not upset at all and this subject, it really weighs on my heart. I've actually been reflecting on this quite a bit daily, even with my day-to-day responses. I've noticed promptings immediately when I am maybe not kind or I respond too quickly or I'm short with somebody or whatever it might be. And for me, I've really been reflecting on this and what I fear more than anything with my walk currently is a few things that I find both in Psalms and what they say to me as far as the hidden or the unknown faults that we have or not being aware of the sin that we may be entertaining, not intentionally. But I wanted to read these two passages really quick, if that's okay.
Speaker 1:That's fine, go ahead.
Speaker 2:So, psalms 26, 1 through 5. I do not sit with deceitful men, nor will I go with pretenders. I hate the assembly of evildoers and I will not sit with the wicked. And then my other passages Psalms 19, 12, and 14. Who can discern his errors? Acquit me of hidden faults. Also, keep back your servant from presumptuous sins. Let them not rule over me. Then I will be blameless and I shall be acquitted of great transgression. Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, oh Lord, my rock and my redeemer.
Speaker 2:And so I reflect on these things often, because I heard a wise pastor once say that as we mature in Christianity as a whole, as the Lord sanctifies us, the inward battle of taking thoughts captive, being slow to speak, not conceiving sin in our heart, to turn it into something more than just a thought or a moment in time which we render over to the Lord, but that we do not entertain it to conceive sin. And so, for me, this subject has weighed heavily on me, because when you think about the overall scheme of things, it's very, very challenging. But the Lord prompts us and moves us to flee from these things. And so I ask the Lord to constantly be examining me and seeking the Lord in these things. So I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Brother, thank you for being here and believe me when I tell you I went through it because, since I don't have access to my account, I can't see everybody that that I've been having this fellowship with. So I went through as many that I could find on the new account, because I wasn't you know. So, believe me, it wasn't an oversight to find you, it was just that I wasn't able to access it from there. Or, if I can't remember the full name or get a right of the profile name, it's hard. So just keep this one, because as long as I'm not using my other, you know, the primary one that I had before this is where I would do my lives until I get there, until my secondary account has enough so that I can go live on it. So if that's confusing, don't worry about it. I'll try to keep people as posted as much as possible.
Speaker 1:But I appreciate you here being Kane, and I really do.
Speaker 1:And I want to say something else about you, brother, because I you know I've said other things about other people and how they've impact the lives that I do and the fellowship that we have collectively. But one thing about you, canaan, that I really, really enjoy, and I want to say this to you, with everybody here, is that you are one of those people who is to me, is like if we, we are a collective body, you're the heart of it, like the way you, you know, you're the emotional center, the part where we have to look at the heart things. In other words, I can see why this section of scripture is important to you, because you have that sensitive spirit that, frankly, I don't have it as much as I should, and so you, being here among the rest of us, we complete that person, the personality of us, as a fellowship in a group of people. So I just wanted to tell you that that's my own personal assessment, and I'm sure there's many other things that you contribute here, but I just love that Part of you which is the heart, part Of this fellowship, in my opinion, and I can say the same thing About Brother Jeffrey too.
Speaker 6:I just want to know how he came up with his name.
Speaker 1:Pocket full of Roman Pocket full, I don't know Well, ramen Ramen. There you go, ramen.
Speaker 6:I like ramen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there you have it. So I just want to tell my brother that and we'll get into it. So in verse 19, paul says now the works of flesh, are these, the works of the flesh? Are these, the works of the flesh are these? Now, keep in mind, we are justified by faith and we're dealing with the Galatian church, as all of us are familiar with because we've been going over this for several weeks now, and so that part of what we are understanding cannot be let loose from our minds as we go through these things here, because the works of the flesh are not works that proceed forth from the Spirit of God that lives within us, and these works of the flesh come under the violation of God's law that is not being adhered to, god's law that is not being adhered to. So the works of the flesh are the result of what happens when men try to keep the law or believe that keeping the law is for their salvation. It can only result in an outcropping of these particular acts. And Paul makes sure that we understand at the end of these that this is not conclusive, because he tells you in in one of the verses here he says not only these, but such the like. In other words, all of those other sensual sins or other sins that tie in with these that I didn't speak about. But he assumes that we know. He assumes that we know what he's talking about and what are extensions of what he put in his list. So let's deal with the first set of the works of flesh that men do that, he says, are evident and various, and that they range from different classifications. So in the first grouping, we would look at what we would call sensual sins, because he says adultery, this is a sensual sin. He says fornication, this is a sensual sin. Is fornication this is a sensual sin. He says uncleanness, lasciviousness, these are sensual sins, and so they cover a wide range.
Speaker 1:Now let's talk about adultery for a second. Now let's talk about adultery for a second. Let's talk about adultery for a minute. Now, here's the thing Adultery is probably one of the most prevalent. Well, they're all prevalent, but let's put it this way Adultery is something that can only take place or committed by a married person, a person who is married. Now, that being said, when you commit adultery, you violate the sanctity of that union by bringing someone else into that bed. Now, I got to tell you. This is not. These things. All these things that we're talking about tonight are not easy pills to swallow, and if you are unaffected by any of these things that we're talking about and you're a Christian, something is wrong with you, and it is my. I would maintain that you probably know nothing about God If you are unaffected by any of these things. Now, adultery Is massive. Adultery Is a serious, serious sensual Sin.
Speaker 1:Now I want to pick on a few people To ask why you think this is a very serious one. Now, keep in mind, they're all serious, but this is a big one. This is a big one. This is a big one. Now, some of you may argue they're all big and you'd be right, but I want to try to elicit from many of you, from some of you, what you think is the significance that I might be saying, why this one is such a serious one. Let me start with you, brother Kanan. What do you think? Why adultery?
Speaker 2:What I understand, the sin of adultery is a sin against your holy temple, in which the Holy Spirit resides, and against your family, creating destruction and devastation emotionally, with their trust and all of those different things.
Speaker 2:But I think it's also something that we see prevalent in the Bible, as great men like David and so on, who were given over to these things and because of it it brought about great destruction. It brought sorrow for David when he had lost his child, and so we see there's serious, serious implications and, um, obviously all sin is bad and evil and wrong, but the sin against your very body is emphasized in scripture, as we know that it's the temple, it's holy, it's sacred, it's to be kept, uh, undefiled clean, and that is why it's just temple, it's holy, it's sacred, it's to be kept undefiled clean, and that is why it's just as bad, though, if you were to do it in your heart, you entertain sin, you conceive it and you give yourself over to these desires. Inwardly, it's the same as committing it, and therefore we give it to the Lord so that it does not conceive sin, so that we can remain in Him and away from sin.
Speaker 1:Right, absolutely. Brother, sister, lisa, what do you think about this subject Adultery. Why is this one something that has a particular significance? What additional significance can you give to adultery that we can glean from?
Speaker 5:Well, the Lord spoke of adultery a lot against his people. It's obviously something loyalty and it has to do with, um, well, again, loyalty and your love for him and, um, your love for your partner, and I think the thing about today, um, today's, it's been kind of swept under the rug. You know everyone, this one is a big one. You have to guard your eyes. You have to, you have to be on guard. You know, I always think of the devil roars around like a what is? How does it go? He wrote he. He goes around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, and this is one. It's just the temptation, it's. You've got to be on guard with this because things that turn out friendships can change in a second. This is one you've really got to watch and god spoke of it a lot and it's very hurtful. I think it angers God a lot.
Speaker 1:Right, sister Mariah, what can you add to what Sister Lisa was saying? Because she touched on what I really want to get to. But what do you?
Speaker 3:what do you? Would say you, hey, because God likens us unto his bride, that it's big for him, because it's us stepping out on him and that ultimately harms us against ourselves, right, for that very reason that he considers us as in a marriage and a covenant. So when we go outside of that, we commit adultery, and it's not only against him but it it is ultimately against us, to our demise amen, sister brother, michael, go ahead.
Speaker 7:You have something you want to say that add to that it is literally the first thing god gives to man on a personal level good one. It is literally the gift of eve to adam, and and in that we saw a picture of god and his people and how it was always supposed to operate. And so, when we look at what marriage is supposed to be, it's a holy, holy, holy gift from God, in the sense of he has given us a picture of how the and that's why the husband is to be like Christ, and the husband is supposed to be completely like Christ. And if you're not conforming that way, then not only are you hurting yourself, but you're literally taking what Scripture says about what a husband should be and throwing it in the trash, and so it's that relationship that he wants with his people.