LIVE DISCUSSION: JOB 7:1,2 - Man's Appointed Time (PART 3 of 3)

Start with the wrong picture of God and suffering will feel like proof that you’ve been abandoned. Start with God’s holiness and sovereignty, and the same suffering can become a place where joy takes root. We gather around the book of Job to ask harder questions than comfort usually allows: What makes divine hatred different from human malice? Why does servanthood sound offensive until grace makes it possible? And how do we hold on when answers don’t arrive on our schedule?

We walk through the sharp contrast between God’s perfect attributes and our projections, exposing how easy it is to cherry‑pick verses to build a custom deity. From there, we reframe joy as confidence that our Redeemer lives, even when the night stretches on. The panel wrestles with Job’s integrity and the charge of self‑righteousness, weighing whether protest and lament can still be faithful. Along the way we revisit Jesus’ teaching on being “unprofitable servants,” the humbling truth that our best is merely our duty, and the paradox that God serves us first by grace so we can serve at all.

This is a frank, scripture‑soaked exploration of suffering, sanctification, and spiritual maturity. Expect tension, nuance, and practical encouragement: embrace trials as appointments, not accidents; refuse to edit God to fit your preferences; look to Christ, the Master who suffered before you; and learn to suffer well without losing heart. If you’re tired of thin answers and want a sturdier faith for real life, this conversation will meet you where it hurts and point you where hope lives.

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Chapters

• 0:00 God’s Attributes Misunderstood
• 2:05 Suffering, Joy, And God’s Purpose
• 5:05 Servanthood And Who Serves Whom
• 9:35 Job, Affliction, And Measure Of Faith
• 13:40 Scripture Authority And Picking And Choosing
• 16:45 Job As Pattern For Believers
• 20:30 Not Above The Master: Suffering Texts
• 23:00 Unprofitable Servants And Duty
• 25:00 Debate: Did Job Get Self‑Righteous
• 28:00 God Serves Us More Than We Serve Him
• 31:10 Desire, Family, And God’s Love
• 33:20 Healing Through Hard Providence
• 35:00 Closing Reflections And Exhortations
• 37:30 Prayer And Sign‑Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_07: 0:00

Dylan in in in with a believer. Go ahead, Meg.

SPEAKER_01: 0:04

I think that when we think about, you know, the attributes of God and like the things that relate to him, like when we think the hate of God, right? But when when we think about the hate of a human being, God's hate is not rooted in malice. It is rooted in righteousness and holiness and his sovereignty. Whereas hate, human hate, is rooted in malice, often revenge, things of that nature. So when we talk about hate, it's God's hate is perfect. Right. It has no, there is no malice. That's not the root of where his hate is. Same with all of his attributes. But so many times we misapply those attributes, wanting to take the quote unquote emotions and feelings of the attributes that we hear and misapply them because we see them from a carnal perspective.

SPEAKER_07: 1:02

Right. See, what what we have happen, what we have happening, and I don't want to accuse the young lady of being this way, but generally speaking, generally speaking, men's perspective I should say the unbelieving Christian perspective, is that we look at God and formulate a perspective on him based on attributes that we, man, assigns to God, which usually reflect the attributes of man. And so if if God doesn't come if if the attributes of God do not comport with what man thinks God should do or how he should be, then you end up having a conversation like we just had, and the lady running off saying we're all evil and we're all whatever. Um, Brother Jeff, man of God, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00

Well, what I was gonna say was that in some forms or fashion, man is born to suffer. And uh we suffer, our first suffering occurs when we get expelled from the womb. We're in a place where we're comfortable and warm and fed, and all of a sudden we're in the world where we have to breathe and it's cold and we have to cry when we want to eat. And but the the point being point I want to make here is that you know, everything about my life is to the glory of God. Right. And that includes and maybe primarily suffering. Uh I put a clarification in the comments about what I said earlier because I don't want you to think that I was sitting there holding a gun in my mouth.

SPEAKER_07: 2:48

No, we nobody nobody thought that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:51

Um but but what what I meant was is that basically um, you know, I I feel that, you know, yeah, we have to understand who God is and the fact that, you know, he does whatever he pleases. Sure, he's our God. But the joy we have, joy is not happiness. Joy is the uh to me, the feeling that the the state that you are in, in which you understand, you know, in the middle of suffering, I don't like to suffer, but I also know that my Redeemer lives and he shall stand upon the earth.

SPEAKER_07: 3:26

That's where the joy comes from.

SPEAKER_02: 3:28

And that's where the joy comes from. I mean, I know that I know, first of all, that he's got a purpose for it.

SPEAKER_07: 3:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 3:35

And second of all, that it's that it's likely to end at some point, uh, in some form or fashion, that's best it's gonna be best because it's in his will. And when I, you know, and bait and what I'm saying is to me, it's an attitude that I've developed. I mean, what happened to me that I described was 20 years ago. Right. I'm a different man today, but and I'll be a different man five years from now or a month from now, or whatever, as God pleases, whatever he wants to do with me. And that's just it. He created me, he allowed me to live, he can do whatever he wants with me.

SPEAKER_07: 4:10

And see, I don't know, I don't know a true believer that would not say what you just said.

SPEAKER_02: 4:18

Amen. And that's us here on the panel, too, for sure, and probably most of the people in the comments.

SPEAKER_07: 4:23

He can do with me, whatever, whatever he whatever he wants to do with me, let it be. So be it. And I and I feel that in believing that I'm in great company with all the saints of God that have gone before us and that and that are with us to this very day. We have to understand that the Lord God can should can use us. We are his servants. This is what a lot of people don't understand. They think that God is here to serve them. He's not. He's not. And he's gonna make every man understand exactly who he is, but we get the opportunity to know who he is now. And brother, what you just said too earlier when you first started talking was that we are here to suffer in this re in this regard, because there's two ways you're either going to suffer for Christ's sake, or you're going to suffer for your own sake. It is one or the other. You're going to suffer for Christ's sake, or you're going to suffer for your own sake. And I can tell you, life eternally does not look good for anyone who would rather suffer for their own sake. We come here, we are alive. As believers, we're here to suffer for Christ's sake. He is the head of the of the body, he suffered. So therefore, us who are his body, we also must fill up the afflictions left behind by our great and godly and our great Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. And this is what people don't want to do. Man is always bragging and boasting about his freedom of will. I get to do what I want. I want God to look like I want. I don't like the book of Job. And see, this is this is this is the way blasphemers speak. I don't like the Apostle Paul. The Apostle Paul and and and the Lord Jesus were saying two different things. This is what this is how people who call themselves Christians talk. There are a lot of Christians that talk like this, and they are fools for doing so. It is foolish because all of the word of God is all God's word. And we don't get to pick and choose what we like and what we are going to say, well, this isn't how God should be. This isn't what he is. And there's not enough of us who are emphatic about these things. When somebody talks like that, I there's no possible way ever that I'm gonna sit here and try to understand you. And neither should you. We cannot tolerate people saying, well, you know what, this part of God's word I don't like. That doesn't apply to me. God would never do that. There are lots of things that we read in the scriptures that you look at and you go, like, how can how how God could do that? I don't know. But we look at it and you go, like, uh nope, I'm not gonna take that one. But this is what people do, they take they take liberties. Sister Candy, sorry it took me so long, sister. Go ahead. You were gonna say something.

SPEAKER_05: 7:44

You're good, because I'm sitting here writing my mouth down right now. It's like all the day long, we're counted as sheep for the slaughter, right? So Job is a picture for all us who come to God. Those who come in to those who are in God become a new creature, the oldest passed away. Job is a significant reality check for us because these situations, maybe not all at once, but they will come about. This is what we are to expect of some sort, fashion, way of living. When we are in Christ, yes, we will suffer. We are appointed to it. We're told that we we are. Paul tells us again in the New Testament, he he told us that we would be. So, again, the overwhelming thoughts of everything that Job is experiencing, but the hopelessness, right? This is a reality check for us that this is this too can happen to us. We will experience some of these feelings of hopelessness, as brother Jeff, brother Michael, myself, and I'm pretty sure probably everybody on here has experienced something to that extent. Never really thought about it like this until just now, but yes, like this is a reality check, y'all. And you know what the lady that came up here, she she already came in and even said she was in this spirit, this spirit, that spirit, that spirit, which was not all positive spirit. But I feel like she should have at least hung out down below and let because if she came in here, she came in here for a reason. Might have been the right place for her to be to get a little bit of edifying.

SPEAKER_07: 9:29

Well, we just we'll we'll leave her to herself, but but go ahead, Jessie. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05: 9:34

But at the same time, you know what I mean? Hey, God is who he is, and when you can sit and say that you just don't think that, and that you're you we all hope and know in who we are in Christ, but that doesn't mean that the bad things are not gonna come because that's our healing, that's how we're healed. Job, right here, this his body and flesh and everything that he's going through physically and emotionally and spiritually, is exactly what we as children of God are going to experience in some way, form, or fashion.

SPEAKER_07: 10:06

Well, you know, here's the other thing that's the healing process. Here's the other thing that I say, you know, there was a reason why God picked Job. You know, and you know, it was the Lord who says, it was the Lord who says that uh it was the Lord who said Job or he tells uh Satan, go after Job. Have you considered going after him? Now, Job is the guy, according to you, that I gave the most to. And he is upright, fears God, choose evil, uh, and he's perfect. And God said that about Job. And see, my thing is, Job. The thing about us today, like I'll say for me, right? I can say that I have never had that kind of affliction. I never had that kind of affliction. I have I I can begin to imagine. But I do know this, that it is very possible that I would have that kind of affliction if I were the man of God that Job was. And see, the thing about it is, if I were the kind of man that Job was, which I'm I know that I'm not. But if I were, I would probably undergo some type of affliction like that. Look at all the great men of the Bible who had the greatest afflictions. The ones who had the greatest afflictions were the ones who had the greatest souls and and hearts for God. Abraham was called a friend of God. David was called man after his own heart. And look what God had him do. Look at what he went through. You know, so the so the thing about the thing, the thing is, you know, we can all look at look at our parts of our life and say, I had this Job experience or whatever, but did we really? Did we really? And and so, and yeah, some some may. I don't know what everybody's life is like. But I have never been in that kind of affliction, and I personally have never met anybody with that kind of affliction. And I think that it is also, we also need to understand something else. Not only did all of this affliction happen at once, but when you consider the magnitude or the giant nature or this giant spirit that this man had, it magnifies it even worse. And that's the reason why he's having this exchange, because he knows he didn't do anything that outwardly warranted what he was going through. It's a really so if it happened to me, you know, I might be, I might, you know, I don't, I don't think I would be like my response wouldn't be like Job. It would probably be worse. I probably would. I would like to think that I wouldn't, but I might have inklings of of wanting to go take a harsher route to my existence. I might, I don't know. I don't know. But I do believe that the affliction that Job got was matched by the quality of his person in terms of his servanthood to the Lord Jesus Christ and and and and and to God. And so I believe that this man was suited, suited to take on the affliction that he was given, and we all get our own in measures and in degrees based on where our faithfulness lies and what we can withstand. And Job could take that. He could take that. Um, Sister Lisa, and then and then Meg.

SPEAKER_04: 13:53

So I was just gonna say this book is such a huge blessing, and people need to realize this is everything that Job is going through, we all will go through. I mean, not not not to the extent I'm not saying that, but we are it teaches us how we should be handling these things. It teaches us that every trial and thing that we go through is sent by God. Job knew this, even though he told the devil, do it, he used the devil, but it was God who ordained these things. That's right. And Job knew his place. Job never said he didn't know why, he questioned, but he always knew God gives, he can take away and there was no he knew his place. So many of our brothers and sisters, or those that say they're brothers and sisters, don't know their place. Just like we heard earlier, God wouldn't do that, he can't do that. That's not the God I worship. You know, it might not be the God you worship, but you're making up a God. This is God right here. We're speaking of right. We don't get to we do not get to say what God does and what God doesn't. And when when we realize that it's the most um what's the word? It's it sets you free.

SPEAKER_07: 15:20

It's you free.

SPEAKER_04: 15:22

It's God is in charge. The pain, God is in charge of the good times. It's all God, right? And it's all for his glory, and with each trial, we transformed more into the likeness of his son. Glory be to God in all of it.

unknown: 15:41

Amen.

SPEAKER_04: 15:42

You know, that's all I have to say.

SPEAKER_07: 15:44

Absolutely, Sister May. That's so true, Lisa. Sister May, go ahead, and then Michael.

SPEAKER_01: 15:49

I'm gonna piggyback off you, Lisa. Matthew chapter 10, 24. The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they had called the master of the house Bezilbub, how much more shall they call them of his household? Fear them not, therefore, for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed, and hid that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness that ye you speak ye in the light, and what ye hear in the ear that ye preach upon the housetops. If you do not meditate on that verse and come to a complete understanding that the servant will never be greater than the master. And the master suffered immensely on that cross for our sins. Right. And if he did it, how dare any of us to think that we are beyond it? I don't think that people really understand that small verse that says that the servant will never be no greater than the master.

SPEAKER_07: 17:11

Ever. Let me jump on your bandwagon now and make this and keep this chain going, but I'm gonna call on Michael next. Um, Matthew 17. Here's what the Lord Jesus Christ says in verse 10. He says, So likewise, when you have done all those things, listen, when you have done all those things which are commanded of you, say this we are unprofitable servants, and that we have done that which was our duty to do. So think about it. Christ is saying, when you when you have exhausted and have given your best, you have only done what you were commanded to do. You are only done what you're commanded to do. And this is what he says. And consider yourself an unprofitable servant. That's that's this is the God we worship. This is what he is saying to us. Well, you've done it all. And like Brother Jane Lang John Langloy says, we have only done our reasonable service. So I love this this this chain link uh of formidable strength in God's word and how it all links and ties together, because these things all prove that one thing. That link is that chain is meant is made by him, and it is a strong link, and it is what he uses to hold us intact as his people.

SPEAKER_01: 18:40

Can I copy you one? Can I add to you one more time?

SPEAKER_07: 18:43

Go for it.

SPEAKER_01: 18:45

I saw your face, Sali. Go for it. It doesn't matter where we are on our journey, it doesn't matter how much we know. It none of all that will go away. But every single one of us come to the end of this race the exact same way. We all come empty-handed with absolutely nothing to offer him because he paid for it, every single bit of it. Right. And glory to God. I mean, man.

SPEAKER_07: 19:21

Amen. It's good. It's good. Brother Michael, go ahead.

SPEAKER_06: 19:26

All right. So I'm glad you brought those other names up. Uh, and this is my position, why I view Job as I do. One, there's not one single person on this planet that has never sinned outside of Jesus. And so there's got to be, and then we know all the typologies of Christ in the Old Testament, every single one of them have fallen short in some way. You brought up David, he's a king, he's a foreshadow of Jesus, but we know he fell short, right? Plenty of times. So this is my perspective. Position on Job is he's not made righteous through how he is towards God.

SPEAKER_07: 20:06

We know that, brother.

SPEAKER_06: 20:07

We know we we're and so that's what I'm saying here is there's something different going on here. I'm not saying his faith is dying or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03: 20:17

Right.

SPEAKER_06: 20:18

I just again knowing what happens later on is what I'm speaking through.

SPEAKER_07: 20:24

Let me ask you a question, brother. What is it that you think happens later on? I mean, we're we don't we we know the outcome, so just what it what what is it what is it that you're referring to that we'll find later on? Huh?

SPEAKER_06: 20:37

He gets self-righteous at the end. He says, I did nothing wrong. Why am I going through this?

SPEAKER_07: 20:41

But he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't.

SPEAKER_06: 20:45

But to say that to God? Huh? To say that to God?

SPEAKER_07: 20:50

Yeah, what when did he yeah. Well, here's the thing.

SPEAKER_06: 20:53

The self-righteousness is is the sin that he had to deal with.

SPEAKER_07: 20:57

Okay. Now where would you let me let me let me ask you let me ask you this for a second. I'm I'm gonna go for it.

SPEAKER_06: 21:02

Elihu puts all of them in check.

SPEAKER_07: 21:04

Right.

SPEAKER_06: 21:06

Even Job.

SPEAKER_07: 21:08

The the thing he he does, but you think do you think Elihu was right? Absolutely. You think he was right about Job? Alright, we're gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_06: 21:18

And that's why God dresses them down.

SPEAKER_07: 21:21

He does dress them down, he dresses them all down. This is gonna be really interesting. Um, all right, we're gonna we I I'm looking forward to coming into that. We're gonna c we're gonna come to that.

SPEAKER_06: 21:29

Okay, so hold on, hold on. I'm gonna respond to Jeff real quick. God said Adam was perfect. God said Job was perfect. We know perfect means complete, not perfect as in sinless. When it comes to certain ways of using the word perfect, it means complete. Also, God said that. So that means God has already put Job in a position that he was his.

SPEAKER_07: 21:52

I don't believe anybody ever said Job didn't sin. And you're right. He it it was the issue with Job is his friends saying that what's happening to him is because of sin. And they were wrong, and they were wrong.

SPEAKER_06: 22:09

But that's I'm not saying they were right. That's that's the point, though. It's not that they were right and Job was losing faith or anything like that, but eventually Job did get self-righteous, and that's why he was dressed down.

SPEAKER_07: 22:23

All right, well, we're gonna we're gonna have fun talking about that one because I'm I'm gonna challenge you on that one too, brother. I'm I I can't wait to get to it. We have a lot of fun with it. Uh, Fofi. I know it's your first time up here, I believe, I'm sure. I want to give you an opportunity to kind of weigh in on anything you want to weigh in with what we've been talking about. And welcome, by the way.

SPEAKER_03: 22:42

How you doing, brother?

SPEAKER_07: 22:43

I'm doing all right. How about yourself?

SPEAKER_03: 22:45

Pretty good, pretty good, man. No, um, I actually jumped up here because Megan invited me. Um I'm usually on the um panel. Uh I don't know if you're familiar with Brother Farr and um Brother Holy Smokes. I'm usually on that panel. Um, also, um, I know Free Indeed, and um, I guess I know Meg. Okay. Um just kind of um just like listening on different stuff. I I really I was just down in the comments, just typing. Right. Um I I I was gonna say though, um, I would go further, even say that God is more, God serves us more than we serve him. I know that people will look at that and and think of it in the wrong way, probably. Like we are his servants, right? Under the glory of him, right? We are we are a byproduct, right? But God serves us more than we serve him, because there's nothing that we can give to God. There's not a single thing we can do for God. That's why we are not profitable. The profit belongs to God. That's all I wanted to say.

SPEAKER_07: 23:46

Brother, I I like I like what you said right there, and I know exactly what you mean by that. And I think that uh I think that you know, truly uh spirit-filled people will understand exactly what you're saying with that, because you're right. He nobody can nobody can serve what you're saying reminds me, reminds me of when Peter was refusing to let the Lord Jesus Christ wash his feet, and then the Lord Jesus Christ says, If I don't, you have no part with me, then Peter says, Wash my feet, my my head, my whole body. He's like, but I so Christ is the greatest sufferer, he's the greatest servant, and he is the greatest savior. And he's the greatest. You're right. So I agree with you a hundred percent. Uh anybody else want to add to what what brother Fofi's saying? Anybody?

SPEAKER_05: 24:40

We can't serve God unless we have what he services us with is freed freely given to us by him. That's it.

SPEAKER_07: 24:49

That's right. Absolutely. Absolutely. That was beautiful, um, uh, beautiful comment there, and definitely uh applicable to what we're talking about. I do want to say one more thing.

SPEAKER_03: 25:00

Go ahead, brother. Um I I remember being on uh I was on a live one day. Uh I was talking to this uh this brother. He was trying to understand um like um you know, people come into Christ and everything. Um and what I was explaining to him is if you had to, if you had to, okay, put it this way. This this is who God is, right? If you had to think about his character, right? Think about somebody, think of think about a person, right, that has everything. I mean, everything. They have everything they want, they have all the money they want, they have they bought everything they need. Just have everything, every single thing, right? Right. Because he was looking for the reason that he would need us. I'm like, it's not that he needs us, right? It's more that he wants it. He wants their relationship with you. Just like, okay, if you were to have everything else, right? Only thing you need from that point on is family. That's right. You that's the only thing you can really go towards is family. It's people that you love. So God is the ultimate lover because he has everything. Right. He has every single thing. There's not a single thing he needs. He doesn't need us, he doesn't need anything from us. He wants to give us stuff, he wants to do things for us, he wants to show his love and his sovereignty and who he is and his character.

SPEAKER_07: 26:18

Amen, brother. Well, you welcome to this panel anytime you feel like I like that. Sister Candy, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05: 26:26

You back off of God wants us to have everything that not that Job is going through. So everything Job is going through is exactly what God wants for us. That's how much he loves us.

SPEAKER_02: 26:38

Right.

SPEAKER_05: 26:39

That's what he does save us from. That's what he's saving Job from in this story. But do you see it, people? That's open your eyes. God give them to us to see.

SPEAKER_07: 26:49

Yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05: 26:51

To the spirit with your ears that he give you to hear.

SPEAKER_07: 26:54

Absolutely. Well, I'm gonna what I'm gonna do right now, because I because the next section is gonna be another block that I want to deal with together. So we're gonna go ahead and and uh close out with last words from everybody. This was a really good one. I really enjoyed this one. And uh I gotta give Brother Mike a lot of questions, a lot of uh credit for that, opening up that that discussion. It was a good one. I loved it. I think it's good. I think these are the kind of things that believers need to talk about, and and and I believe that we can talk about these things uh in an amicable way that glorifies the Lord. And this is what we do. We grow and we grow thereby. So it's a beautiful thing when God's people get together and feast around his word. So um I'm gonna go around, give everybody their last word, and then we'll call it a night and pick this up tomorrow at verse 3 of chapter 7. Sister Candy, go ahead, last word.

SPEAKER_05: 27:49

Shit, I'm just gonna say be anxious for nothing, but instead pray for everything. God is our shade in any kind of heat, light. We're heating him. We're safe, we're protected, he's our refuge. Don't worry about what no man can do to your flesh, but worry about the one that can take his home.

SPEAKER_07: 28:09

Amen, sister. Amen. Amen to that one. Sister Mariah, last word.

SPEAKER_00: 28:21

Um well, God is so good, even when we can't make it out or have an understanding. Yes, go ahead, um, of how he is doing it or why he is doing it, he still remains good. And um, while we were talking, it just reminds me of uh and and hearing, you know, other people come in. Um does not the potter have the right to say to the play, you know, and we have to understand that the more you understand that, the better um you won't have an issue and have to make up your own God to serve whom you would like, you know. Sometimes all of us growing up in the house, we didn't like our parents, we didn't like what they had to say and how we felt like they didn't were disciplining us or chastising us or correcting us. And boy, you know, we say when we could do X, Y, Z, I M. But then when you grow up and you and then you understand why, and especially how much more when then you have children. So, you know, um, I just love this study, it was so edifying, and I'm so happy to have you on the panel, Full Fifth. It was great to always great to share a panel with all of you guys. I love you. God bless.

SPEAKER_07: 29:35

God bless, sister. Uh, brother Michael, last word.

SPEAKER_06: 29:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07: 29:46

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_06: 29:48

Uh my last, I I guess I'm that guy tonight. But uh, but uh but anyways, uh I you know, I I take these stories as uh to teach us all how to suffer well. Yep. And um and and yeah, we know Job had to walk this out in real time so we could hear of his story uh thousands of years later and and know uh how we should suffer. So right, right.

SPEAKER_07: 30:16

No, it was it's it was excellent, it was an excellent conversation to have, and I and I think that when you when you get when you have a conversation like that, you know, because what I have to always do is make is make sure that our growth together is more important than getting through all the verses, you know. So I don't like rushing through it. You know, so it's it's it's just a great thing to be able to do. So I appreciate it. Sister Meg, last words.

SPEAKER_01: 30:42

I just want everybody to meditate on those things, like to really understand that the price that the Lord Jesus Christ paid for on that cross is much more immense than we could ever imagine, and that we are never gonna be above what he suffered, and he suffered greatly, he came from glory, veiled his glory by human flesh to be born of a woman, to sit with sinners and to be to suffer. If you were the only person here in this world, Jesus still would have come for you. He still would have came. I think that's something that people really need to understand and get in their heart and understand that that is the love that the Lord has for his children. That is the love he has for his children. And if you are not his child, I'll add with this if you are not his child, you are merely creation. Amen.

SPEAKER_07: 31:51

Amen, sister. Um last word.

SPEAKER_04: 31:58

Wow, well, I I loved it. This has been so good. I love hearing all the perspectives and and I just want to what Mariah said, you know, we are the clay, he is the potter. You know, we don't get to to we don't get to say anything, you know. Um his ways are not our ways. So gosh, this is so good. Um I pray everybody, I I pray for everybody in here that you, you know, that you keep coming back and that you're edified by this like I am. I it's I don't even I I'm without words.

SPEAKER_07: 32:39

No, it's good.

SPEAKER_04: 32:40

I'm sure that's not a surprise, Jonathan.

SPEAKER_07: 32:44

I'm sure I'm sure we're gonna have we're gonna have one of our days. Uh I'm looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_05: 32:49

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_07: 32:50

Brother Fofi.

SPEAKER_05: 32:51

God bless y'all.

SPEAKER_07: 32:52

Brother Fophy, uh, welcome to the talk tonight. And I'll go ahead and give you a last word as well, brother. Appreciate you being here.

SPEAKER_03: 32:59

How you guys doing? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Um back there. I'm sorry, I had to uh deal with my child for a second. Um I just want to say this, uh, and this is specifically for people that on a day-to-day basis deal with you know condemnation in themselves and even the conviction in themselves, or even thinking that it's a it's a way to lose your salvation. Um understand that God, okay, that Hebrews chapter 12, right? Verse 2, right? God is the author and finisher of our faith, of our faith. There's not there's not anything that we do. When he says that we don't work for our salvation, right? We do not work for our salvation. Understand that the Father is the gardener. Understand that Jesus is the one that delivers that water through those vines, and understand that we are the ones that will be fruitful through him. We don't water ourselves. The gardener is the one that waters us, and we are well watered by Jesus Christ. Amen. We are well watered by Jesus Christ. That's all I want to say.

SPEAKER_07: 34:16

Amen, brother. Thank you for the good word. And and and how do how do I address you? I don't, because Candy said I'm saying your name wrong. Is it? I see faux fi. What it what do you go by?

SPEAKER_03: 34:25

A lot of people say it's it's faux fifth and family. It's actually just a all right. Yeah, people call me faux fifth. Like it's it's it's a name that I have. I used to play Call of Duty a lot. Uh, and and 45 caliber is the gun. I would I would always choose my secondary, you know, all that stuff. Whatever. Oh man. Uh it's it's the name that I'm gonna end up changing anyways, but it's just faux fifth and family. That's four fifth and family.

SPEAKER_07: 34:48

Well, I'm I'm a big Call of Duty fan as well. So, but I I I know where all of that started. But we that's another conversation for another day.

SPEAKER_03: 34:57

Oh, yeah. Look, God took that away from me and he gave it back to me. So good to have you here, brother.

SPEAKER_07: 35:04

I appreciate you being here. You've been a big contribution already on the first day being here, wouldn't I appreciate it? Thank you, sir. Encourage the servant. You want to give us the last word and close us out, brother? You've been kind of quiet tonight, and I guess that's for a reason, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_08: 35:17

Well, I just it tonight has been a learning and growing experience, or at least it has been for me. Yeah. Uh dealing with or working with, I should say, with a Christian who is still maturing and growing in the word. Uh, possibly someone who's still taking spiritual milk, so to speak. Jonathan, or so to say, Jonathan, and hasn't really gotten yet to uh the the spiritual meat that causes growth. So uh this is an opportunity for us to look back, reflect upon how we interact and how to uh uh be God's people, even when we're we're dealing with situations like this. And again, the the study tonight you know it shows us so much about how Job has uh dealt with a lot, and he still has much more to go before God restores him to who he was before all of this started. Right. But uh thank you uh tonight, Jonathan and the panel for all of your input and insight. It's been great. Uh it's been a blessing to all of us. Uh love you guys. Uh let's close this out. Father, we just thank you tonight for the opportunity to be here and for the teaching and for the growth and the experience that we've had. Help us to apply it to our lives, Lord, and to remember, Father God, that uh we are all in growth modes. We all don't grow the same way, we all don't mature the same way, we don't grow at the same speed the same way. All of us are different and unique. And help us to keep that in mind as we interact and and have experience with each other. Thank you for this time tonight, Lord, for uh this experience about Job, what it's telling us, what it's teaching us. And Lord, thank you for all that you have done in our lives, Lord, to make us the children that we are of yours. We just thank you for this now, Father God. We pray it all in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_07: 37:15

Amen.

SPEAKER_04: 37:16

Amen. If you're gonna be provoked, then you gotta be persuaded.

SPEAKER_07: 37:26

Be provoked and be persuaded.

SPEAKER_01: 37:28

Be persuaded. Jonathan, you have to do the voice.

SPEAKER_07: 37:31

You can't just get out of here and be like, be provoked, be persuaded. Bye, y'all. I can't do it. I can't do it on command. God bless you guys. Get back together tomorrow. Look forward to it.

SPEAKER_08: 37:45

God bless. Good night, everybody.