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The Bible Provocateur
LIVE DISCUSSION: (Rev 3:16) "The Lukewarm Christian" (Part 4 of 4)
Comfort can feel like blessing until Jesus calls it poverty. We take a hard look at the church in Laodicea from Revelation 3 and the modern habits that mirror it—equating status with favor, growth with health, and noise with worship. Together we unpack why Christ calls a self-assured community wretched, poor, blind, and naked, and how His remedy—refined gold, white garments, and eye salve—redefines success as tested faith, righteousness, and spiritual sight.
The conversation traces a biblical thread through James, Timothy, and First John, warning against corrosive riches, false knowledge, and the sobering reality that many who “went out from us” were never of us. We explore Matthew Henry’s piercing insight that lukewarmness is more offensive than honest coldness, because it masquerades as devotion while refusing surrender. A vivid metaphor carries the point home: the body expels what harms it. So does Christ with a faith that sickens His body—faith that plays both sides and calls compromise wisdom.
We also sit with practical discipleship. Being a Christian is hard, often costly, and sometimes marked by suffering. Yet the path is clear: no shortcuts, no muted truth, no backdoor into heaven—only Christ on His terms. We talk about speaking when the Spirit prompts, ministering with presence, and trusting God to use ordinary obedience as an instrument of grace. A brief exchange on Solomon and vanity sharpens the call to zealous repentance that rejects shameless worldliness and embraces worship in spirit and truth.
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We go and we sit here and we read Laodicea, Christ says the exact opposite. In verse 17, he says, Thou art wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So think about think about having you know everything that you've ever wanted, and you're like, Oh, I'm fine. We don't need God. We're good. We're blessed. Oh, yeah, we're blessed. But then the Lord Jesus Christ turns around to you and said, You are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked. I mean, wow.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, here's here's the thing.
SPEAKER_01:He had nothing nice to say about this church.
SPEAKER_04:No, and and and what's interesting about verse 17 that always that that when I read it, it really stands out to me. Christ tells them, he says, when he talks about rip being rich and wealthy and having need of nothing, he says to them, because you say this, he's like he's saying that this is not what you are. This is what you say about yourself, but it's not what you actually are. And like you said, Sister Meg, he goes on and tells them, You are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked.
SPEAKER_01:What verse does that remind you of?
SPEAKER_04:Uh I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01:Matthew chapter 7, 21 through 23. They're like, Lord, we profess miracles name and did all these wonderful things in your name. And he looks at them and he says, I don't know you. Yeah. Depart from me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but here, you know, here, you know, these these have these these guys have have a problem with, like you said earlier, which I think is is more akin to what we're really dealing with here. They are they are looking at their societal stature and standing, and as high as it is in their in their estimation, they believe they equate that with success in their relationship to God. They believe this is evidence of their true religion. And it's not. And he tells them, with all the all with all that you say you have, he tells them, let me make it clear to you. You are wretched, naked, miserable, poor, and blind. And so he tells them, none of what you think you have that is beneficial to you spiritually or in a religious setting, none of it has any value to you at all. And what you need to do is come and buy of me, gold refined by fire. And then you'll be rich, and then I will give you white garments. Then you will be clothed, clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed. And nakedness, by the way, this nakedness is not just like, it's not just like uh it's not what we think. Most people, you know, when you think nakedness, you think, I have no clothes on. It's not just about, it's not about that. Nakedness is like a a wildness. It's like, it's like being recklessly wild. And it's what you associate with like like let's say, for instance, if you go to a if you go to a club or party and people are just out of control, that's nakedness. That's nakedness, that that wild, unbridled, um, worldly, carnal celebration of worldliness and carnality and whatever. So remember, if you remember when Moses went up to the mount to get the law, and when he came down, they had built a calf and they were dancing and partying and everything. And and and Moses came down and saw it and broke, dropped the stones, and they broke whatever. And it says that that they were behaving nakedly. They were naked. It's not that they didn't have any clothes on, they were just wilding out. And the way the kids talk today, they were wilding out. That's what that's what it is. They were just governed by their fleshly, carnal, secular passions, not driven by anything uh spiritual at all. Miss Catherine got it right. Nakedness, shame. Shame. That's what they're doing. They're just, there's actually a good word is shameless. They're shameless. That's what nakedness is. Carnal, fleshly shamelessness. No regard for anything of that is sacred and that restrains wickedness before God. They're just out of control. That's what nakedness is all about. Um, who did I miss? Uh Sister Candy. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_09:Boy, when you read that, I'm sitting here like cheesing like a mug, because one of the verses I was gonna read, James 5, verses 1 through 3.
SPEAKER_05:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_09:He says, Come now, you rich, weeping how, for your miseries that are coming upon you.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_09:For your miseries are coming upon you, your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you, and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasures in the last days. Now hold on a second. So I go over to um James 3. I'm gonna go with verse 9. With it we be blessed our God and Father, and with it we curse men. And this is in regards to the unruly mouth, you know. I'm saying it's poison, right? So um, it still goes with what we're talking about tonight. Yeah, um, with it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men who have made the similitude of God out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. So, my brethren, these things ought not to be so. So, when we were talking about the water earlier, and it was all coming together. So, does the spring send forth fresh water and bitter water? The lukewarm, ice cold, hot together. This is what it is from the same opening, no, so Laodiceans, to me, that's what Laodiceans are. And I want to jump back over here in First Timothy verse 20 and 21. Oh, Timothy, he says, Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradiction of what is falsely called knowledge. By professing it, some have strayed concerning the faith. So grace be with you. So it's that faith of being allowed to sin, so to say, that you know the truth and you know what's good, and you don't do it, and you call it sin. Because what you see is what you want, not what you don't see that you see the most importance of, which is our faith.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_09:So it's that, and then yeah, it's it's it's man, he like really, really, really, really just I think it's in Ephesians. Is it Ephesians? Ephesians Ephesians five, five and six. Where he's basically I'm gonna sum it up because I just got a few notes about it. Where he says, no, that's James. Maybe that's what I was thinking of. James 2, 5, and 6, because God chose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, whom he promised to those who love him. And then verse 6 says, basically, the rich oppress the poor and blaspheme the noble name which you are called. So that rich and that poor, the the the rich man wants what he can see, even though he, you know, I think we've talked about it before that we think it's blessings of good from God when we don't really know, and they could be poor in the spirit, but rich in wealth. Well, which is better, being rich in spirit and faith, being rich in faith and poor in the world, world material things, or and I think this goes along with Job, so perfect too, because that's what we're seeing him go through. He's rich in spirit and poor in the world now, coming from being that rich one in the world, but he still wasn't poor in spirit. Apparently, that's what we're seeing, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_03:Yep, that's right.
SPEAKER_06:So I was just sitting here as as y'all are talking and um you know, thinking about um, you know, some of the comments that were being said, and and I'm in my mind, I'm saying, why can't these people like today who the people that would be the Church of Laodicea, why can't they see and realize what's happening? And then it occurred to me, the thought came to me, this book, our scriptures, are written, it's written to believers.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_06:Although many people, everybody wants to read it and try to decipher what it means. It's only the true believers that understand what the spirit is, the Holy Spirit is teaching all of us.
SPEAKER_05:That's true.
SPEAKER_06:And I'm I'm thinking to myself, this is you know, you brought this this subject came up because of another brother that we thought Kirk um Kirk Cameron and his latest revelation or whatever he says. And this I this is a way to identify us. Like the spirit, the spirit knows the spirit, you know what I mean? And I this is um I don't know if that makes sense, but it just occurred to me, it's like the Holy Spirit was saying, This is written to you, not to them, because I'm saying, why can't they see that? We see it, but they must be given eyes and ears to see it, and they're not. You know, it's it's for us. This is it's not it's it's for us, you know, so that we, yeah, it I don't know. I don't know if that makes sense at all, but it's it's so God is so good. I'm just sitting here thinking, He's very sorry. He is good, he is so good.
SPEAKER_04:Listen, let me let me read this verse. We all we've all heard it before in 1 John 2. He says in first John chapter in 1 John chapter 2, verse 18, little children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard, the Antichrist is coming. Even now, many Antichrists have come by which we know that it is the last hour. In other words, that's the evidence that we are in the last hour. And then he says in verse 19, they went out from us. So that means that they were amongst us, but they went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, but they went out, so that it would be made manifest to us that they were never of us. And so, and so Lisa, what you're saying is 100% correct, and so when when I now there are certain people, usually it is a lukewarm Christian that will tell you not to make too much of something like this. Because here's the thing we are supposed to be, we are told what it is exactly we are supposed to recognize, and he tells you right here they went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would have continued. But then he tells you this he tells you why they went out. This is why they went out from us so that it would be made manifest that none of them were of us. He's telling you that I'm going to reveal to you that those who are amongst you are not that don't belong to your real community, and I'm going to demonstrate that by having them go out from you. And and and and we as believers should look at that and be glad on one hand, but on the other hand, we should be fearful that we are not amongst those who are spewed out, who are vomited out. Because here's the thing: the think about this for a second. We have a body, as we all know. We we we are all physical beings, human, physical, mortal beings. When something enters into our bodies that doesn't belong, the body reacts. And what does the body do? It rejects it. It more or less vomits it out. If anyone has ever had food poisoning or something in their stomach, what happens? Your body rejects it. Natural food that is clean and whatever you eat it, it died, you digest it, it adds to the health, vitamins go where they need to, all that kind of stuff. But when something enters the body that doesn't belong, it is spewed out. And this is the picture that I get. This is the picture that I get when Christ is talking about. We are his body. When something enters into the body that doesn't belong, he vomits it out because it is foreign to the system, it doesn't belong. That's the picture we're getting here. And what he's saying, and what he is saying here is that is that when when when when something comes in that doesn't provide the proper nutrients or benefits to the health of his body, his body rejects it.
SPEAKER_03:Rejects it.
SPEAKER_04:Showing that it never had any part or parcel in the body at all. He exposes it for what it is, like Brother Cod says, he will bring forth your righteousness as a light for the believer, but for the wicked, you will be the the and I'm talking about the wicked, I'm talking about the person who professes to be a believer and straddles the fence. Here's something that Matthew Henry said He says, A lukewarm temper is more distasteful to Christ than absolute coldness. Coldness is honest opposition, but lukewarmness is base hypocrisy. Here's something else he said. So he will reject them from his hair and communion. One more thing, and then we'll close up. Matthew Henry says this again. Lukewarm professors are those who are indifferent, they're indifferent to religion, who are neither prizing nor despising, neither opposing nor promoting.
SPEAKER_03:This is the lukewarm soul.
SPEAKER_04:They play both sides. I got one foot in heaven and one foot in hell. This is how they are.
SPEAKER_03:You nauseate me, you make me sick. This is what he is saying. These are what he is saying, and it should make us who believe it should make us tremble, it should make us tremble, not in that fear, not in an ungodly, unholy fear, but a genuine, holy fear.
SPEAKER_04:Because we know how great our God is, and we know how demanding our God is, and we know He compromises nothing. There's no skating or sliding with him, there's no backdoor entrance into heaven. We all must come by way of Christ and Him alone and on His terms. There is no way for us to be a servant and not be obedient to His ways, especially when it comes to His word. This is being a listen, Christians, being a Christian is hard. It is hard work, it is faithful service. And when we have done all that we can, like Christ says, when we've done everything that we've been taxed with, even if we've done it to the best of our ability, we are to consider ourselves unprofitable servants. Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, He came here and He died for us in order that we might be saved. We have to understand what we are saved from. And any shortcuts that we take when it comes to communicating His truth to the lost, any shortcuts that we take is possibly shortchanging that soul from ever seeing the heavenly salvation and eternity that you know and believe you're going to enjoy, if in fact you are not found out to be those who were not of us and were cast out in order to make it manifest that you were never of us.
SPEAKER_03:Brother Jeffrey, man of God, go ahead, encourage your servant.
SPEAKER_04:Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:Jonathan, you said a moment ago that being a Christian is hard. You're right. But Jonathan, here's another thought for us to think about to add to that. When we're a Christian, we are called sometimes to suffer.
SPEAKER_04:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. How many of us tonight here listening, yourself, myself, everybody in the panel, how many of you are ready to shove your hand up in the air and say, Yeah, Lord, I'm ready to suffer? Bring it on. I don't see any hands going up. And I can tell you here on my end, mine isn't going up either. Is it going to happen? Yeah. Do we look forward to it? No. But it's coming. All of us have suffered at one point or another. But it is hard, and it it's there's going to be suffering. When we stand for truth. That's what I wanted to say. And we and you know what, brother?
SPEAKER_04:And we count on all joy. And I know that everybody here does know that. And see, the great thing about um Christians gathering together, even like right now, we are building each other up in this most holy faith, and we're growing in the grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Don't compromise. Don't compromise. Don't be afraid to stand on Christ. Don't be afraid to like tell the truth. I don't care what party it is, what Thanksgiving setting it is, what Christmas dinner it is. I don't care what, you know, whatever it is, whatever it is. When you you will know, you will know when the Spirit of God in you is urging you to speak or to move. To act or to speak. You will know. Don't be disobedient to that call. Follow it. Because the Lord wants to use you the way He made you to communicate to those folks that He wants to bring home. And remember, they may be our brethren, your brother or sister in Christ, and you may be the last thing that tips them over. And that means that you are part of the means. We are all part of the means of God's grace to bring about his ends and purposes in this world. We're not the sources, we're not the causes. We are his instruments in his hands to do his work in this world. Be useful. Render yourself useful. Trust him to take care of you no matter what or how bad it may look. Do not be afraid. Don't compromise. And don't be afraid to tell people the whole truth, the whole counsel of God. Make them hear it over and over and over and over again and be passionate in your communication of it. And never give in. Kurt Cameron, he gave in. He gave in and he has to deal with whatever he has to deal with. But my issue is not even really with him. My issue is how many people he may be potentially affecting in a way that does not glorify God by this lie. So with that, I will close it up and let everybody get their last word in before um we close it tonight. No sermons. Just give us something quick and sweet. And uh hope you guys will have a great day. I'll start with Sister Ashley. Last words, Ashley.
SPEAKER_07:I just want to say that I have missed you guys. I have been really busy with these markets. I love this teaching tonight. It has been awesome. And before we pray out, if we can just lift up my 12-year-old, he's got some things going on. And this mama would like would like everyone to pray for him.
SPEAKER_04:All right. That will do. Brother Jeff, keep that on the list. Uh Sister Candy, last word.
SPEAKER_09:I have a question real quick though, before we go there. When Solomon, when Solomon had all the riches and then turned for self-pleasure, is that would that be like is that kind of like a Laodicean? I say that because because in Ecclesiastes, we're in chapter 117, he says that um he sets his heart to know the wisdom and to know madness and folly. And I perceive that this is also grasping for the wind. So it's not really doing anything because of basically you're living in the world for pleasure, and then you're living trying to live for for God in the heart. And then it, you know, if you if you go into chapter two, he talks about his eyes' desires and whatever he had and the rewards of his labor and the works of his hands and stuff, and indeed all was vanity and grasping for the wind.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_09:So I would that not apply, wouldn't that apply to where Jesus says, Depart from me, uh workers of iniquity? I never knew you, but not in his specific case. But would that not be an example of that?
SPEAKER_04:No, I wouldn't see I wouldn't see that differently. I was I would see Solomon in the same vein that I saw that we would see David when he sinned with Bathsheba and had Uriah killed and things like that. Because but because but what Solomon never what Solomon never confused, he never confused what true religion was. He never had a confusion about what God is and who he is and what he does and whatever. He never had that. He never had that. Solomon did have a problem with women and and and and uh and wealth and things like this, but he never had a he never there was never a point where he doubted God at all.
SPEAKER_09:Well, I think that's kind of what I was what I was kind of going towards was that he he knew the truth.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he did.
SPEAKER_09:And fell short, so to say.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_09:But in what he did for, so to say, someone who's straddling the fence and here, not here, nor there.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_09:You know what I'm saying? Kind of being twisted and turned because of what they're being taught and watching what someone says versus what they do.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, you can make an argument, you can make an argument for that, but one thing that we can also say about about him is that he, you know, like Christ said in in Revelation 3, that to be zealous and repent. And I definitely believe that Saul did that. And his writing makes it clear that he understood the whole conclusion of the whole matter. You know, that the chief end of man is to glorify God, and he understood, you know, he he he in his later days, he began to understand um what his problems were and how everything that he had was all vanity. So I would say that even if he were, even if we made a case that he was one of these lukewarm people, which you can make that case, but I would also say that he also uh responded to it the way Christ said that we should, with zealousness and repentance.
SPEAKER_09:Right, which is why I can't we couldn't really use him for allowed to say, but in describing the the the differences in the two the the pride of the eyes and versus his his heart of God, the wisdom, you know. Am I make whi wisdom of the world, so to say, with the worldly pleasures versus his wisdom of God too. But then of course, that's that's the thing about the Laodiceans was they do have a they they they still can have the zealousness and repent. And with that, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna leave it with uh Psalms 28. Actually, 27, 20. Hell and destruction are never full, so the eyes of man are never satisfied. And then 28.
unknown:Oh, I done lost it.
SPEAKER_04:I sorry, let me move on. Let me move on, Kenny.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, you're good. Go ahead because I done lost it.
SPEAKER_04:All right, just Elisa, go ahead. Your last word for tonight.
SPEAKER_06:Well, again, this was wonderful. I thank you all. Um, but I have a prayer request, if you would please. I got a call today from a longtime friend who um her daughter called, and she is she's in hospice care, dying, and she wanted the daughter to let me know. And I'm gonna go and see her tomorrow. And I'm reminded of these comforters of Job's, and I ask for your prayers to guide my words, guide my thoughts. Um, I don't know what state she's gonna be in. If I get to speak to her, please pray that the Lord will keep my mouth under wraps and just be what she needs. Um, I ask her daughter today if she knows the Lord, and she said she does, so that's good.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_06:But I need, um I really feel like I'm just gonna break down. But I don't know how I don't know how that's gonna be. So please pray for me.
SPEAKER_04:I will. I got your message earlier today, so I was very much aware of what you're talking, what you're what you're talking about, and I'll definitely pray for you tonight. I'm not asking and appealing to everyone else to pray for you tonight, and yeah, to pray for you before we close. And I I'll tell you this much though, I'll tell you this much, Sister Lisa. When you get there, you you will know. He will he will equip you, you will know. He gave you he gave you he gave you a tender heart and a tender soul. And um, you know, all these years of knowing you, I have no doubt that he will supply you with whatever you need when the moment comes. And and you know, you know, and I think, and I think that also there's no it's no coincidence that we're talking about this, we've been going through this exposition on Job as you go through the situation. Now you're gonna have, I hope, you know, I'm sure you're gonna have a better perspective going in as to how you can be a comfort to this person. And so just go in there, just go there and be you the way God made you, you'll be fine.
SPEAKER_06:Thank you so much. God bless you all.
SPEAKER_03:Me too, sister. Sister Joni, last word. I think she's asleep. That's all right. Sister May, go ahead. Last word.
SPEAKER_01:The dogs were barking, they were going nuts. Um I just wanted to say another great teaching as usual, Jonathan. And um, you know, it it just encourages us to, you know, when the word of God tells us to um examine ourselves to make sure that we are in the faith. It's like these these are stories and these are moments where you you sit down and you're like, you pray the prayer of David almost, and you're just like, Lord, create in me a new and clean heart. Oh God, just continue to renew me in all the facets of my life, anything that I feel, anything that you feel, Lord God, that I am not not dependent on you. And please continue to reveal that to me in my heart so I can continue to be the vessel that you have called me to be. And I just, you know, these these studies always make me continue to self-examine myself and um, you know, just go back to the Lord. I was like, man, every time we have a Bible study, brother, I I there's always a prayer that I can pray, you know?
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:No, I appreciate it. I appreciate it, sister. Um, Sister Mariah, last word.
SPEAKER_08:I was gonna say too that we should examine ourselves to see whether we be in the faith or not. Um, it's a great thing to always, you know, examine yourself and just encourage others to examine themselves as well. Um, because this is a it's a it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God, you know. And um, but we need not to have fear because we are made perfect in love, and fear does have to do with torment, but as you said earlier, it's not a fear as a fearful fear, but it is a fear that we know that we ourselves can do nothing and to lean on him and have full dependency on God and trust and knowledge. So um, I just I'm praying for you, sister uh Lisa and your friend and her her family as well, and I will um, as always, keep you all in my prayers. Um, and I love you guys, and I just thank you, Jonathan, for um just enlightening me because um all the explanations that I've ever heard just never sat well with me knowing um what it was. So I just appreciate what the Holy Spirit allowing you to give me that better understanding that fits with what the scripture is exactly saying. So thank you. Love you all, God bless and good night.
SPEAKER_04:All right, sister. Thank you very much for that kind words. Um, brother Pat, the last word.
SPEAKER_00:Well, God must be worshipped in spirit and truth. And if so, we're if we're gonna worship God in truth, we must worship him as he actually is, not create an idol that the flesh and the world wishes he was a different way. Part of worshiping in spirit and truth is that we accept the truth and we get on board with that, right? So I just wanted to, that's what I got out of this.
SPEAKER_04:Thanks, Pat man. I appreciate you being here, brother. I really, I really enjoy your your input and your uh engagement in this in our conversation. It's is is a blessed, it's blessed, and I'm grateful as we all are to have you here, brother. I really, really uh mean that. Brother Jeff, encouraging servant. Your last word, and then if you would close us out, let's not forget Ashley and Lisa, and um you know what to do.
SPEAKER_02:Absolutely. Uh Jonathan, uh, first of all, say thank you from uh all of us in the panel tonight for your excellent teaching. A panel, thank you all tonight for your excellent uh contributions and conversations that you had out there. I feel blessed. My sword has been sharpened and my faith has been increased because of what you all have shared and vested into each other and all of us tonight and what we have received from Jonathan. So thank you all for that. Father, we just thank you tonight for your presence here and for what we have received from our brother, but Lord, coming from you. Jonathan has simply emptied himself, Lord, and allowed himself to be the empty vessel, Lord, that you have brought this incredible teaching to through us. So thank you for him allowing you to do that through him. Lord, we just praise you and thank you for what we're learning as we go back to Job here in the next day or two. Help us to remember, Father, what we've learned there, how to apply it, how to go out and live it. And Father, to help us to be all of the men and women of God that you've called us to be. We lift up Mariah's 12-year-old tonight. Lord, that healing would come to that house quickly, whether it's a cold, whether it's flu, whether it's sniffle, whether it's something more serious, Father, bring healing, your healing, miraculous healing, total, complete, comfortable, happy, uh, wonderful healing to that situation and to everyone in that household. And Father, for Lisa's friend and her daughter who has been hospice, Lisa, I want to stop here for just a second. I want to say this to you as your friend. When you go there tomorrow to visit, remember this. You are going, your biggest gift that you have is simply your presence. Lisa, minister with your presence. Just be there. God will give you the rest, like Jonathan said. Go and minister with your presence, and God will bless you and give you the words, give you the deeds, give you the encouragement, and everything you need to make that situation to his glory. And Father, we are so blessed now to be here tonight with you. Father, we scattered out all over the nation, we are, and yet this incredible technology allows us to come together just like we live next door to each other. Thank you so much for each and every one who's been a part of this tonight. Bring us back together again tomorrow night or the next time Jonathan goes live, because we love being here because we know we're learning and serving you completely and fully. We ask all this now in the mighty and precious name of Jesus. Hallelujah. And amen.
SPEAKER_04:And Ashley, Lord, no, the Lord knows who he was talking about.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, amen.
SPEAKER_04:So God bless you.
SPEAKER_08:Yes, he does.
SPEAKER_04:He knows, he knows. But you know, you know, you know, uh, you know, I can't, you know, I you guys are such a blessing to me. And it and and it nothing, nothing warms my heart more than to get into these things. And and you know, and I'm the kind of person that is accustomed, you know, to like getting into the real theological, deep things that I like to get into. I and I really do like those things. And my wife said to me, you know, you should really, I think that people really appreciate you, you know, dealing with some of these practical things. And so I'm trying to incorporate a lot of that into it. I'm not gonna completely get away from what I like doing, but I mean I like this too. But I'm just saying that I'm trying to give the most rounded, uh, trying to present the most rounded topics for us to deal with and and to wrestle with. And uh just want to encourage everybody to raise their, elevate their minds and hearts to to see the Lord and everything. Anyway, I'm just gonna babble right now. But anyway, I just want to say thank you all for your kind attention and your generous ears as you always give to me. And I couldn't, I can't be more blessed to have such a uh great group of people to be able to fellowship with night after night. So thank you for that and be provoked and be persuaded.
SPEAKER_05:Good night, everybody.
SPEAKER_04:Good night.