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LIVE DISCUSSION: (Job 7:10-15) Night Terrors of Job - (Part 4 of 4)
When faith is tested past the breaking point, do we cling to ideas about God or to God Himself? Our conversation walks with Job through days without comfort and nights without rest, and we ask the questions most of us are afraid to say out loud: What if the pain doesn’t lift? What if even sleep brings no relief? We wrestle with Job 7:15 and the line between honest lament and enduring trust, showing how a believer can long for release without surrendering to despair, and how God can use even dreams to shape the soul.
We also get practical about sovereignty and limits. The enemy may prowl, but he does not own the children of God. That truth reframes how we interpret trials, judge our brothers and sisters, and ground our hope. Instead of quick fixes, we return to Jesus’ command to seek first the kingdom—trusting God for provision while loosening our grip on control. Refinement is not instant. God burns off dross over time, forming in us a faith that can carry weight, a peace that does not need perfect conditions, and a courage that speaks when silence would be safer.
The conversation turns sharp where it needs to: on allegiances that dilute the gospel. We talk frankly about pastors chasing political favor, the confusion around modern Israel, and why true Israel is defined by faith in Christ, not geography or ethnicity. Scripture warns against aiding those who hate the Lord, and we take that warning seriously. Our aim isn’t outrage; it’s clarity. The church doesn’t need permission from power blocs to preach a crucified and risen King. We need open Bibles, clean hands, brave hearts, and a willingness to be misunderstood.
If your soul feels thin or your convictions feel costly, this one is for you. We call you to stand firm, study deeply, love boldly, and use today’s platforms to tell the truth with a steady voice. The King has already paid the ransom, He reigns now, and He will return to set things right. If this resonates, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review to help others find the show—then tell us: where is God asking you to stand with courage this week?
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Speaking to us, and and the Lord is speaking to us through these scriptures. The relationship with the Lord deepens. And so as we venture through these next chapters, I think we're starting to see the beginnings of the relational God and who He is. And I think it's starting to come. And I'm excited about it because so many times we know God because of information or know God because we're growing. But it when it becomes relational is when this is going to start to deepen. And I think it's something that we should all be conscious of Job's relationship with the Lord and how it's developing and how our relationship develops with him as we go through suffering, as we go through trials and tribulations, and what that looks like for us as well as it does for Job.
SPEAKER_00:No problem. It's a good point there. I mean, this is a very, I mean, this book, this book has so many practical things to look at. And it does have an impact on um it should show us it should it should show us some things as you've been intimating about our relationship with God. And I think it's important it to focus on that. Lisa, you came back up. You're able to, I think you should be able to go ahead now. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_04:I kind of forgot. That was like a I was like, can you hear me? Oh, it's my stupid internet. But I was just going to um, we were talking about the sovereignty of the Lord and all of this and all that. And I I was just gonna add that we need to remember that um the devil, although he's the ruler of the world here, he has no dominion over us. We're not of the world, we are of the kingdom of God, and he's our Lord, and he's above all. So I I I was I thought that was a a great thing Mariah said, and I was just gonna agree with her. So thank you guys. Yeah, no, she's for the patience.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she's good on that one. Thank you. I'm glad you made it back up, too, sister. Sister Candy, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03:I was just gonna go back to, I think, in the beginning when all this like this is us being shown all the ways and the things that we will experience, maybe not all together again, like Job did. But Job is that one person that God chose to go through what he's going through to give us that idea and understanding of what to do when we have to face some trial or tribulation that's been authorized for all the children of God to have to go through for our healing and sanctification. Because at the end of every day, it's about our heart and the motive behind it. What are we seeking in the midst of all of it?
SPEAKER_00:Right. Right. I agree. I agree with you. I mean, it's it's it's it's it's hard because you know, we can have so many different perspectives uh when we look at another brother or sister going through something based on what we are seeing on the on the outside. And um, and a big lesson for me in this whole thing is to not make these wholesale assessments, which which may or may not be true, judging prematurely. And these guys, their thing with Job is you know to point the finger and to cast blame. Um, but they never address what was really going on with Job, as we all, as we all understand. Uh in verse 16, um this is you know what? I don't think I want to go at verse 16 because I want to spend some time on that one. So I think I'll hold off on that one until tomorrow. So we'll stop here on uh on on uh and start with Job 16 tomorrow because there's a part of this that I want to spend a little bit of time on, but I'll read the verse anyway. And Job says in verse 16, he says, um, you know, he was speaking about, you know, the um I'm sorry, I missed, I'm sorry, I skipped verse 15. So let me go back to 15. He goes, so that my soul chooses strangling and death rather than my life. So, yeah, so he so here I skipped it, so it's a good thing because it gives me a little bit more time to add, you know, to talk about this. So after he says that he receives these scary visions and dreams, and he says, and and uh, and then God is terrifying him, he says, so that my soul chooses strangling and death rather than my life. So what's he saying here? He's talking about, he's saying, Listen, I'm having these dreams, I'm having these these visions, these nightmares, essentially is what he's saying. And and as a result of it, I choose rather to have strangling in death rather than my life. In other words, there's no aspect, there's no, there's no tender spot in his in what he's going through that gives him any relief. And even in his sleep, he can't find comfort. And he goes, now, and even when I sleep, now I have these dreams and these and these terrifying nightmares, and my soul would rather be strangled, and I'd rather have death than my life. Go ahead, Meg, you want to respond to it?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so like if we think about this like in comparison to the enemy versus the Lord, I think that Job, that God was giving Job these um nightmares, because think about what your soul is made up of. It's made up of your mind, your will, and your emotions. The enemy doesn't have anything to do with your soul, which is your mind, your will, and your emotions. And so when these dreams are coming out, you know, I look at it as this is the only way, this is the Job's dreams and things like this are the only place, God is the only source of where this could come from. Right. So many times we think the enemy's doing all these things, but he has no bearing over the hedge, which was Job's soul, that was never taken away. So when Job is speaking about his soul and the things that are vexing his soul, remember that the Lord Jesus Christ has the hedge over Job's soul, which is his mind, will, and emotions. And so when these dreams come out, they're only from God. Period.
SPEAKER_00:Amen. Brother Trevor, welcome up. You want to say anything, brother?
SPEAKER_02:Hey guys. Hey, man, how you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing all right, man.
SPEAKER_00:Welcome.
SPEAKER_05:Andy, can you mute up, please? Sorry.
SPEAKER_02:I uh yeah, I'm I'm driving right now, but um, I love I love your lives, man. Um definitely. I love that you're covering Joel, uh Job. And um just want to say, you know, he stripped Job from everything he had. He took everything, and you know, he was righteous, you know, he was like telling Satan, you know, you you can't you can't mess with this guy, he's all about me. You know, even in Job's misery and everything, his you know how many of us haven't had a day where we're like, man, I just feel like giving up. I just don't feel like doing anything anymore. I just want to just give it all to God and just lay lay down and die. You know, there's there's been times where we've thought like that. And you know, with um with Job though, you know, in Matthew 6, Jesus says, Don't worry about the things like what you are gonna eat or what you're gonna drink or what you should wear, that he's got it all covered. He he points to the flowers of the fields, he he points to just he cares for the least of these things, and how much more does he care for you? He says, but seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and he will give you all of this you know that you need. But these are for the ones that believe and that will follow God, because you know, when you take the the cares out of the world away from you, it's it's harder to figure out where you're gonna eat, what what you're gonna wear. If you if if you leave everything behind, he says, if you leave your wife, your kids, your your parents, whatever, everything you know, and you follow me, don't worry. You know, I will cover you. You know, I will I will take care of you. And in prop Proverbs 3, he says, trust in the Lord with all your heart. And you know, we love God with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength. And if we trust him and we seek the kingdom, he's going to provide for us no matter what. And even in this life, oh, yeah, you know, if he doesn't bless you any more than what he's already has, it's been enough. He's given us the gift of salvation. You know, that's what we're looking for. Amen. It's not the first life, it's the second life. That's right. You know, amen, brother. Amen. So, like with Job, with Job going through all this, you know, his perspective, um, you know, we we all get in our carnal minds at times, you know, and our feelings get involved, but at the end of the day, it's you know, it's all about God. You know, it's you know, we have no control over our life after, you know, this one, you know, other than we put our trust in God, you know. So, you know, um, it just it's just a reminder that even if the enemy comes involved and and takes everything away from us, even if we uh, you know, whatever happens, you know, there's the greater life after this one. And and that's what we should be looking forward to.
SPEAKER_00:You know, amen, brother. I agree with you 100%. 100%. I and that that's true. I mean, and I think that if if if people have that goal in mind, you know, all at at all times, even when they're going through struggles, it it is what provides that hope that we have. And uh, like uh brother or sister Mercy and Grace here says, uh, I can't tell if it's this lady or or guy, but that God is always refining us. And that's that's exactly what is happening. This is what Job is going is going through. He's being, he's going through another layer of refinement, a big significant layer of refinement. And um, and this is how God does. And he he is making us into this this vessel of honor. And it's a glorious thing. But but but the but the trials, the fiery trials, these things purge drafts. They purge away all of the drafts and the dirt and the filth from us, and this takes time. And he chose to take, he could have done it instantly, but he didn't. He chose to do it over time and and to have us serve him over a period of time in this fleshly life to in order to deal with these things. And we're some kind of way, we're being prepared for what Brother Trevor was saying, for that life to come. And that's that is what's significant. And so, and that leads me to what we're talking about here in Job 7.15, because he says that my soul, you know, he goes, I'd rather, he goes, my my choke, my soul chooses strangling and death rather than my life. Now, he's not saying I he's not saying that I want to me personally in my life, but he's basically saying this Lord, if you're willing to take me, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. And he's and he and there's an aspect that you can read into this that that you could argue one way or the other about it being true. But I get I feel that if it was, if this was if this was my mindset, I'm thinking that the way things look, I don't know how I could be any more useful to you. But here we are, 2025, almost a couple of weeks away from 2026, we're talking about Job, learning from him, like our brother Michael DeSilva says all the time, learning how to suffer well. Job, I'm sure he knows now that what he went through, all of us here are benefiting from today. From what he went from then, because we're talking about it here. So, you know, he he's talking about this misery that for him seems insurmountable. So much so that death is more appealing. That death is more appealing than his continued earthly existence. In no way should we walk away with this thinking that Job is is ready to inflict self-harm. That's not what he's dealing with. But he is conflicted between this this life of faithfulness and and and and joy in the Lord to this suffering, afflicting in the situation he's in. And it's bewildering because, as I said over and over again, and as many of you have said, he doesn't even know why. He doesn't even know why it's happening, but he's going to learn. He's going to learn. So he's expressing that death, if given by God, he's saying, I would welcome that. I'm I'm open to that. I'm open to that. And so this desire that he that he has, it reveals how extreme. It reveals how extreme his suffering is. He's not rejecting God, he's simply communicating how how extreme his suffering is and how unbearable it is, and how he's trying to, how he's trying to find comfort under the weight of it. And sometimes this is hard for us to lay hold of, but we know about this savior. We know about Christ. He knew about Christ in shadows, and in things that prefigure the coming savior. But we know him in all of his glory. We know Christ. And look what look how look what the condition of the church is today.
SPEAKER_01:Overall. It acts as if we don't have a savior.
SPEAKER_00:We have the Lord Jesus Christ revealed to us completely. He revealed his mind to us in his word, and we get to open up the word of God. Think about this. We get to open up the word of God every single waking moment. We have it before us. We have the mind of God communicated to us in this Bible, and we ignore it. We don't study it, or we glaze through it so that we can say, I read it. But for many of us, it doesn't penetrate the heart, it doesn't soften the soul, it doesn't make us cry out in faith and in anguish for God, for not only our souls, but the souls of our families and our friends and even our enemies. I don't know how many people, I don't know how many of you heard what's out there right now about these 100, about these thousand pastors that went off to Israel so that they can come back to the Americ to America and be ambassadors for Israel. It's silliness. They hate the Lord Jesus Christ that you say you worship. And many of these people are pastors of your churches. Maybe not you, but I'm I'm I'm saying why a pastor's in America would be going over there to be instructed on as to how to vindicate a perspective. You cannot legislate love for people. He said that Jesus got what he deserved. Because he was upseting, up he was upending the status quo. According to him, Jesus got what he deserved because he was guilty of insurrection. But here's what I'm gonna tell you. Here's what I'm gonna tell you something. We remember when Christ was going to the cross, before he went, the Jews of his day, they didn't want no, they wanted no part of the Lord Jesus Christ. They wanted no part of him. We will not have this man reign over us. Don't say he is the king of the Jews, but say that he said he's the king of the Jews. They were yelling out, crucify him, crucify him. They appealed to the Romans because under their own Jewish law, they had no right to send anyone to the cross. So what did they do? They went to Rome, they appealed to Rome to handle Jewish business. Take care of this guy who is upsetting our apple cart. We don't like what he's saying. He's got to go. And what do they say? You handle him under your own law. That's what the Romans told him. You handle him under your own law. We haven't seen him do anything wrong. Even the Romans were like, what has he done? You handle him under your own law. That's not our issue. So what happened? They went back, they Looked at their law and they knew, they didn't have to look at it, they knew there's nothing under their law that gave them the right to take someone's life.
SPEAKER_01:But they were crafty.
SPEAKER_00:They were crafty, sharp, smart people. These religious leaders were. So they said, they went to Rome. It says, we can't execute him under our own law. But under your law, you can because he is an insurrectionist. He wants to overthrow your government. He wants to overthrow your government. And then the Romans were like, well, wait a minute. We can't have that. We can't have that. So what did they do? The Romans and the Jews became friends and they colluded together to crucify your and my Lord.
SPEAKER_01:This is what is happening. And guess what?
SPEAKER_00:It's happening again today, but in another way. Cause that little piece of land over there in their government, they are utilizing the modern day Rome.
SPEAKER_01:America. That's what's happening.
SPEAKER_00:That's what's happening. Nothing in the well, here's what they understand. Nothing advances in this world. Let me explain this again. Nothing happens in this world without establishing the right alliance with Christians. They need Christians to validate whatever it is they want to do. And there's nothing they can do without Christians. They talk about separation of church and state, not when it comes to what they want to do. They need you and me. So what do they do? Let's bring a thousand pastors over here from the largest churches selectively or picked strategically to come over there and we're going to brainwash these people to become our ambassadors. And let me tell you one thing, Christians. I will die. I will die before I become anyone's ambassador other than the Lord's ambassador.
SPEAKER_01:I will die.
SPEAKER_00:And listen, I'm telling you, Christians, you need to open your eyes. And I'm not talking about just in some matrix kind of way. We are seeing in real time the building blocks being established to shut you and me up. These churches are full of baloney, these stupid pastors flying over there to become ambassadors for Israel.
SPEAKER_01:A people that hates the Lord that they serve.
SPEAKER_00:Christ was not the Messiah. This is what they say. He wasn't the Messiah.
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't the Son of God. He was not the son the God in the flesh. That's what they say. You know what first John calls them? Antichrists.
SPEAKER_00:I'm talking about people who are of the religious group known as Judaism.
SPEAKER_01:They are duping.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm going to tell you a big reason why it's easy. Because false preachers and teachers here, that Schofield reference Bible, John Darby, all that trash that is taught and that is put out there as dispensationalism, all of that stuff is what feeds directly into Zionism. All of it. That's where it comes from. That's what it's about. So they got you believing that your salvation is directly connected to them.
SPEAKER_01:And it doesn't. It doesn't.
SPEAKER_00:They have nothing to do with us. We Christians, we are Israel. Not the people in over there in that parcel of land. Not the black Hebrew Israelites. They are not God's people. Not the whites, not the browns, or the yellows, or any of those people because of their brownness or yellowness or blackness or strategic geographical, geographical connection has nothing to do with anything. The true Israel of God are those who put their faith in God through Jesus Christ. Plain and simple. We are the Israel, which means those who have power with God. Those who prevail with God. That is who is the true Israel of God, not of those of circumcision. And so, brethren, I'm telling you this because this is what is highlighting, this is what is being more and more pervasive in the headlines. They're telling you in your face what they're doing, and we are still lollygagging around, wondering, what does my Lord have for me to do?
SPEAKER_01:What am I here to do? How do I serve?
SPEAKER_00:What is my calling? I don't see any word, anyone getting anywhere to all these yelling and shouting matches. I saw a yelling and shouting match between two guys on a live the other day that I could not believe what I was hearing.
SPEAKER_01:Two guys that most of you know. They went on for Christians.
SPEAKER_00:We need to find alignment with ourselves. And we need to make our Savior our priority and his word our number one priority. And we shall not, we cannot put ourselves in a condition where we are making ourselves a league, putting ourselves in league with those who hate our Lord. And that's what Christians are doing to now. That's what Christians are doing today. Aiding in our and in our political terms, aiding and abetting those who hate the Lord Jesus Christ. Listen to this right here in 2 Chronicles 19, 2. And Jehu, the son of Hanani, the seer, went out to meet him. And he said this to King Jehoshaphat. This is who he was talking to. And he says, Should you help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord? Therefore, the wrath of God is upon thee.
SPEAKER_01:Go read this verse.
SPEAKER_00:Should you help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?
SPEAKER_01:Therefore, the wrath is upon thee from before the Lord. News flash. Judaism, they hate Christ. They hate him.
SPEAKER_00:To them, he is not the Messiah. Let me say it again. He's not the Messiah. He is not God. He is not eternal. He is not the creator. He did not atone for anyone's sins. This is what they say. Ask any one of them. I'm not speaking down to them. Me telling you what they hate about Christ is not anti-Semitic. Ask one. They will tell you. Ask them, is Jesus Christ the Messiah? No. Is he Son of God? No. Is He divine? No. Did He do any miracles? No. Then why did they kill him? He deserved it.
SPEAKER_01:That's what they will say. I'm just telling you what they say, what I've heard them say in my own ears.
SPEAKER_00:I know it can be difficult in dealing with the world. I know that people don't want to get into that war. But I'm telling you, TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, all these things, in spite of all the wickedness we see on it, to me, I look at these things as tools that the Lord God has given us to use to communicate his words where people are.
SPEAKER_01:He gave it, I'm using it. And I want to encourage all of you to not be afraid.
SPEAKER_00:Do not be afraid. You are invincible. Like my Charles Spurgeon says, you are invincible until the Lord comes and takes you home.
SPEAKER_01:Go down with a fight. Our Lord is real.
SPEAKER_00:He is our king. He is the Messiah. He's the one who adorned his body with our sin in order to redeem us from the retribution due to that sin. It is a debt that he paid for us. He paid a ransom for his people. That is you and me. There is nothing this world can do. There's nothing that Trump can do, Netanyahu can do, none of these people can do. None of them. We belong to the King. The King of Gory. My Savior and yours. And he's coming back for us, and he's coming to show them who he is. And he's bringing his vengeance with him. Let them laugh at you, let them tease you, let them mock you, but never lose sight of the fact that he is coming back. And he's going to set everything straight. I'm going to leave it there tonight. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, he is on that throne and he is on his way back to bring his people back with him. And woe unto those who know him not, who rejected him, and who openly mocked him. They're going to see. And don't you be afraid of whatever they dish out. Don't be afraid of being canceled, banned, dropped, whatever. Keep standing on the Lord's truth, and He will bring with Him his reward. Be provoked and be persuaded. Good night.