The Bible Provocateur

"The Hypostatic Union: God & Christ Jesus" (Part 2/5)

The Bible Provocateur Season 2026 Episode 224

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Jesus is fully God and fully man, but what do we actually mean when we say that and what breaks when we get it wrong? We walk through the hypostatic union in plain language, define hypostasis as personhood, and show why the church rejected Nestorianism so fiercely. Along the way we respond to a modern claim that sounds harmless at first: “Jesus could have sinned in his humanity.” We explain why that idea quietly turns Christ into two acting subjects and why that is not the biblical Jesus. 

From there, we zoom out to the triune nature of God. We talk about why the New Testament often speaks of “God” in a way that highlights the Father while still confessing the full deity of the Son and the Holy Spirit. We also tackle a practical question that almost every Christian asks sooner or later: who do you pray to? Our answer is grounded in inseparable divine action and the unity of the Godhead, while still honoring the distinct personal works Scripture describes. 

We also address the Holy Spirit head-on, because many people treat the Spirit like an impersonal power. We point to personal attributes and actions: the Spirit can be lied to, blasphemed, teaches, and applies Christ’s work to believers. Then we connect the dots to the cross and resurrection, clarifying “who died” and why Scripture can speak of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit raising Christ without contradiction. We close by tying these doctrines to salvation and assurance through John 6 and the promise that Christ loses none of those the Father gives him. 

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efining The Triune God

SPEAKER_02

Go ahead and elaborate on that. I want to go ahead, Meg, you were gonna add something.

SPEAKER_05

So it would be fair to say that in in nature and essence that we would be talking about, to explain this the Trinity as the one being of God presents himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_02

And that's God.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. Together eternally.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. Brother Rodney, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm just taking my notes really quick. Can someone write, spell it out in the uh in the chat? How you uh what is it? No notorian notorism?

SPEAKER_02

Nestorianism. Nest like Nest, like a bird's nest, nest and then N-E-S T O R I A-N-I-S-M. Kelly wrote it in the chat.

ypostatic Union Confusion Cleared

SPEAKER_04

I just seen appreciate it. Thank you, thank you. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

So I I did have one more question. So one day you were talking you were talking about so the hypostatic union, and I've never heard people say this before, which it's new, so I'm interested.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_05

You're stating that when we see the verse, that the fullness of the Godhead, I mean the fullness of God dwelt in Christ bodily. So the hypostatic union would be the Lord Jesus Christ, his humanity, his divinity, the Holy Spirit and the Father?

SPEAKER_02

No.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, that see, that's what I was confused at. Because I've always heard the hypostatic union is Christ's humanity and his divinity together in one person.

SPEAKER_02

It is, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

hy “Jesus Could Sin” Is Heresy

SPEAKER_02

That's exactly right. But see, what prompted what prompted me to do this tonight, because Pat and I were talking, and he he kind of gave me the encouragement to do this and thought, and I thought it was a wise thing for me to do. So so when we had a live a couple nights ago, we had I engaged with a guy, and some some of you were there, and he made the comment that, you know, and and he made a point to tell me, well, Chat GPT says that the hypostatic union only refers to Christ. And I said, no, it doesn't. It also refers to the triunal nature of God. And then somebody else came back on and said, one of our people came back to me and says, I just looked on Google and he's right, he said that. But I didn't get it, but I didn't get to, I didn't get to clean up. Um my I didn't get to make my explanation for it, and I forgot to do so. And that's why I'm doing this. Because hypostatic union has to do with the merging of persons in the sense, in the sense of, or in the mer or the merging of natures. So in Christ, he is not like the Nestorians would say, Christ was two, he was a hundred percent God, his divine nature, a hundred percent human nature. Christ was not two different people. And this is important because this guy was talking about, now keep in mind, he's talking about hypostatic union. And you know, but hopefully by the time tonight is over, I would have said hypostatic or hypostasis so many times, it'll be in burned, it'll be emblazoned in your mind that all it means is a person, persons, person or persons. All right, so he was saying that because Jesus was born of Mary, he had a sinful nature and therefore could sin. You follow me? He said this. He said that Jesus was capable of sinning, even though he didn't. He was capable of sinning. And I told him, and this is where we ended the conversation, that's heretical. And to maintain that possession, that position is something that breaks off the ability for us to communicate and to fellowship. You cannot we cannot have a competent conversation on a theological level, on any theological level, if the premise is established that Christ is had the capability in his humanity to sin. But here's the other part of it. If Christ is also divine in nature, would we say that in his divine nature he was capable of sinning? Would anybody say that? No, absolutely not. So, if the divine nature of Christ could not sin, but the human nature of Christ could sin, how do you call that a union? It's not it's not a union. The union is not just about the blending of nature, the union is that one, what one does, the other does, what the other does, the other one, you know, both do. One will. One will. So if one could sin, they both could sin. So they either both they either both have the capability of sinning, or neither has the capability of sinning, or you can't call it a hypostatic union, and the Nestorians would be right. Christ would be essentially two persons. Am I losing anybody?

SPEAKER_05

No, that would be considered like dualism almost.

SPEAKER_02

Like that's kind of like it would, that's kind of like what it would be. Uh, brother or sister K C Swinson. I can't tell you male or female, so forgive me if I don't get it right. What are your thoughts so far? He's a brother. Okay. Hey, brother KC, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_03

I'm good. I'm actually just listening. I I'm not gonna lie, this is not a topic I know in depth, so I'm I'm learning right now. All right, that's perfect, brother.

raying To Father Son Or Spirit

SPEAKER_02

But if you have any questions, if I'm confusing you, let me know. Because I, you know, this is one of the kind of things that I realize that people may have questions, but I want to make sure because if we if we get these things right, we understand what this this uh what Christ, what his nature is about, and we also understand the nature of God. So I want to make sure that we all get it. Brother Aaron, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

Um, when you said earlier, when we say God, we say Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I think where people get confused, where I was kind of getting confused too, is because the Father is mainly discussed as God in the New Testament, right? Right. So I don't know if you want to touch on that, even though it's mainly referring to the Father as God, it doesn't negate that Jesus is not God and the Holy Spirit's not God. What really is referring to.

SPEAKER_02

That's right. So, and this this so this is what I'm saying. This was what this is what is beautiful about the triunal nature of God. When you address the son, you are addressing, you are addressing the father and the Holy Spirit. If you address the Spirit of God, you are addressing the Father and the Son. When you're addressing the Father, you're addressing the Son and the Holy Spirit. Whenever you address God, you are addressing the Godhead as the essence. So you do hear God called Father, but but one of the things that becomes more perspicuous to us in since Christ came is understanding the nature of God, that He is, that He does manifest Himself in three persons, three personalities. But those three personalities, they comprise those three individual distinct substances, another theological term, the substances the Father is a substance, the Son is a substance, the Holy Spirit is a substance. Those three comprise what we refer to God as his essence. That's what he is. Without any part of them, he's not God. So when you address one, you are addressing the essence, which is the Godhead, which is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Does it make that make sense, Aaron?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_05

So so in essence, which is deity.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Okay. That's right. So Christ is deity, the spirit is deity, the father is deity. Okay, so the deity, that is God's, that's what he is. And so one one removing one of those persons, removing one of those persons is no longer deity. And so if Christ were, if Christ were to be to come to earth in the form of a man, if he is not one, then that means there is the creation of another being that is outside, that is, that stands outside of God. That's why the Nestorian heresy was fought against vigorously. Because they were making the claim that there were two gods. So the guy that was on the phone the other day, or that was on the live the other day, when he says that the son of God, from the human perspective, he could sin, and the and the divine part of him could not sin. What he is essentially teaching is Nestorianism. There are two different persons when Christ is not. Christ is a hypostatic union. The two natures became one.

SPEAKER_01

Brother Aaron, go ahead. So you said when you're talking to the Father, you're talking to the Godhead. When you're talking to the Son, you're talking to the Godhead. When you're talking to the Holy Spirit, you're talking to the Godhead. So can you pray to any one of them? Yes, you can. It's all God. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

It's all God. So it's like, it's like if you were to if you were to say, like, when we when we talk when we talk about studying the word of God, and we and we're talking about help me to learn God's word, who are we talking to?

SPEAKER_05

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, but principally from an administrative standpoint, the Holy Spirit indwells each one of us, and he is the one who guides us into what? All truth. And there's an aspect of his there's an aspect of what the Holy Spirit does that the Son is not doing because Christ said, I need to go. In John 14, 26. Why didn't he say he needed to go?

SPEAKER_05

So he could send the paraclete, the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_02

That's exactly right. Why?

SPEAKER_05

Because the Holy Spirit testifies of the Lord Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. And he does so how? By through us, through every single one of us. The Holy Spirit lives in every one of us in a way that the Father does not, and in a way that the Son does not. But if the Spirit of God is in you, if the Spirit of the Holy Spirit of God is in you, you have the Father and the Son as well. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Christ told the Pharisees, he told his disciples, He that has the Father has what else?

SPEAKER_05

The Son.

SPEAKER_02

Has the Son. Has the Son. Whoever has a Son and the Father also has the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01

Amen.

SPEAKER_02

Am I confused? And please stop me if I if you get stunk. Please stop me if you do. Brother Pap, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Just for the clarity of the panel, okay? Is the father more God than the Son? And is the Son more God than the Spirit?

SPEAKER_02

No.

SPEAKER_00

No.

SPEAKER_02

No. No. No person in the Godhead is more than the others. No person in the Godhead is less than the other. Like Sister Cindy says, they are co-equal persons. That's what God is. If one is not involved, then we are not dealing with God. This is what we need to understand. Meg, were you going to say something?

SPEAKER_05

Yes. So it would be simple to say that everything is done by the Father through the Son and carried out by the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. So you have the Father who sends the Son, and the Father, and from the Father and the Son, the Holy Spirit proceeds. So, and proceeds is another theological term in the sense that he, the Holy Spirit, proceeds both from the Father and the Son. So they all work together. So, like if you're sitting down going like because I've had people ask this question in the past, and I've heard other people ask it to other people as well as myself, they'll say, Well, who do you pray to? Essentially, it doesn't matter. If you pray to Christ, you're praying to God. If you pray to the Father, you're praying to God. If you pray to the Holy Spirit, you're praying to God. Now we we address God, we address the Son. Either way, whenever you dress one, you're addressing the entirety of the Godhead. Because there's nothing that there's nothing that you can be, excuse me, supplied with that all are not involved in supplying to supplying to you. Brother Aaron, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

I think this is also important when we talk about who raised Jesus from the dead. Right. Right. Because most verses say the Father, but then Christ himself said I raised my layers. Yeah, and then the Spirit raised him. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So I just want to bring that up. You did right. You know, so when you when you when you when you looked at the scriptures, and this is why it's so important, and I always talk, my sister Meg knows I'm always I'm always giving her a hard time about um you know because uh you know I love this sister, you know, as I do all of you. Um It is important for us as Christians to have a systematic understanding so that we can be biblically precise in these matters. And so, Brother Aaron, what you're saying is is is true. If you go out the scriptures, if you go to the scriptures, you can pick one verse and say that it was the Father who raised Christ, and you can make an argument and build a whole teaching on the fact that only he raises the dead. Well, Christ also said, I lay down my life of my own accord. And then we also have verses that tell us that it was the Spirit who raised Christ from the dead.

SPEAKER_03

You also have in Revelations where he says that I uh I am the Lord of the living and the dead. That's right. Amen, brother.

od Beyond Comprehension And Spirit Personhood

SPEAKER_02

Amen. But so you guys, so I hope we start to see how it's starting to unfold. Because this is why it's important to be able to tie scriptures together. So when you go, if you only think that God the Father raises the dead, and then you see a verse that says the Son raised himself up from the dead, or the Holy Spirit raises the Son from the dead, you can scratch your head and go, like, I'm confused, this is a contradiction. No, it's not a contradiction. If you understand that each of them is a person, but they are all, they all make up what is the essence of God. That's God doing this. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. All of them. And so that's what's important. Brother Rod, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

So, quick question. Pardon the baby in Christ's questions, if you already answered this, but um, so if God's essence is beyond human comprehension, are we do we find ourselves sometimes worshiping, I guess what we what we what we understand more versus instead of who he is, in a sense? Even though we're not supposed to lean out on understanding, but I'm I guess that's where I'm drawing a little bit of a here's where here's where confusion can be.

SPEAKER_02

So when when we talk about when we talk about uh God and his and and the divine persons, here's the part that is beyond understanding how each of the three persons are co-equal, how that works. We don't understand how they are three and at the same time undivided. You follow me? So it's he not he's not I mean he's not he's not divisible, right? Right, he's not divisible. Okay. He's not, but he's three persons, but he's not divisible. That's where you see what I mean? I got you. I got you, okay. This is this is the part that is beyond our understanding. And the true and the and the thing about what a true Christian understands, we it is good for us to understand what we don't understand. Gotcha. Okay. You see what I mean? So I can't, no matter how much learning or schooling any of us can get, we will never understand how they are united yet undivided. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

So really quick, so do we relate, sorry. So do we relate to him as like, is it like a do we connect to him as a force, like an essence in a force? Because you asked me this earlier, but now that I've been listening, I kind of I got a better understanding. Do we do we connect to him as like a I hate to say this because it's so disrespectful, I'm sorry, God, but like a distant force of the essence or like uh a present father person, you know, like someone that's right here. Person. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

You look at, you don't, you don't, see, see, this is how, this is that, and I'll tell you the reason why. A lot of people will say that the Holy Spirit is God's divine energy. Or his or or his divine, his divine power. You know, they treat the Holy Spirit like an impersonal force. It's not. So if you talk to somebody like if you listen to you, you have you guys all heard of Geno Jennings, that guy just always bloviating all over the internet. Yeah, he's a pain. He's a pain in my ear. You know, he's a boisterous, bloviating heretic. And he doesn't believe that the Holy Spirit is a person, yet the Holy Spirit can be lied to, yet the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed, yet the Holy Spirit raises the dead, yet the Holy Spirit hears and discerns the intent of our heart. The Holy Spirit teaches us what the what the testimony of Christ is about. The Holy Spirit has equal intelligence, if you want to call it that, equal infinite intelligence intelligence, just as Christ does, just as the Father does. This is why what we're talking about tonight matters so much. You understand, Brother Rod?

SPEAKER_04

Yep, I'm at you. I'm here. I'm here. I'm just uh taking it all in. This is a lot for the other. This is a lot for me tonight. This is a lot for me.

SPEAKER_02

So yeah, you go you go you're gonna have a headache. If I do my job tonight, you're all gonna have a headache going to bed. Well, thank you, thank you, thank you. Sister Meg, go ahead. Meg and then Pat.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, so would it also be fair, because you know, there's a lot of arguments about him being the eternal son. So I'm gonna say this and please correct me if I'm wrong. God the Father sent the Son of God who became the man Christ Jesus.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_05

Right? So that is an easy way to say it when you're explaining the Son eternally. Um so yeah, I just wanted to make sure that I was correct. And I and I and I want to put this note out there. I don't know, I believe that this revelation is one of the highest revelations that God has given his people in like the firmament of revelation. And so when we think about that being the highest revelation, there's going to be spaces where things, like you said, the co-equal, um not devices, begotten, not made, right? Areas to the Trinity.

SPEAKER_02

Right. No, so far, everything you said, I would wholeheartedly agree, and you'd have the testimony of church history just to back you up. Absolutely. Brother Pat, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

Um any form of Pelagian who brings an objection, and they uh when they say, um, listen, man, the sovereignty of God can't be true because love requires, and they'll give you an example. Like if I forced my wife, that wouldn't be love. You don't let them do that. Because the Trinity, the Godhead is the standard of love by which we judge, not somebody's wife, not a fault, a relationship on this world which leans towards you know, sinful nature. The perfect example of love is the Trinity. And notice in the Trinity, if you look at what love really is, let me ask you this, Jonathan. Is the Trinity, are the persons of the Trinity contemplating constantly whether they should betray each other? No. And saying, Well, by my free will, I must, you know, I'm only here by my free will, but I could ditch out anytime. No, they are not. So perfect love is not about human will, like like religious people try to paint. The Trinity is the perfect example of what love really is. The Trinity and the perfect union.

ho Died On The Cross

SPEAKER_02

This is why I prefer the term uh you know, the triunal nature of God. Because Trinity, even though it's a good word, Trinity to me falls a little short of what triunal really, because triunal shows unity. Of the three. Trinity, when you look at it, can sort of carry with it the connotation of triplicate. Triple. God is not triple, he is triunal. So, you know, I I will use those terms uh interchangeably, but I think triunal nature of God really hits at the core of what God's essence is, what his what what his essence is and who he is. He's triunal. Um and so that's that's the thing. So uh brother Aaron, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

I was just gonna say, um, how do we describe who died on the cross? That's a lot of, you know, people say, oh, Jesus is God?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, so God didn't what the divine nature of God lives. I I get asked that question a lot by Muslims. How do you answer, brother? How do you answer, Brother Casey? I would say what or so normally they'll say, hey the the the the I'll ask what they mean when they ask if God died on the cross, are they talking about his being or his nature? Are they talking about his personhood or his nature? And if uh most of the time they'll say his personhood, if they say his personhood, then you'll say the body died, but the divine nature of God lived. That's right. And the divine nature of God raised up the body on the third day.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. So you you know, so I agree with that 100%, unless if I heard you correctly, and I think I did. When so the man, the man, Christ Jesus, died. You can't kill divinity. You see, because remember, Christ said that he would raise himself up from the grave. And what did he tell the thief on the cross?

SPEAKER_05

Today you will be with me in paradise.

SPEAKER_02

How was that possible if his body was in the grave? Amen. Follow me?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Any anybody disagree? Anybody? If you do, just speak up. That's fine. All right.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, brother Pat, go ahead. Is it fair to say that both natures went to the cross? Jesus went to the cross. The man dies, but the deity overcomes death.

SPEAKER_02

That's right. That's right. Absolutely. And that deity went to be at the moment Christ died, his deity, the son of God, he was in, he told God, into thy hands I commend my spirit. He told the thief, You will be with me today upon his death. He was so so the thief on the cross was with the Lord Jesus Christ, even though Jesus himself was in the tomb, dead as a doorknob. You follow me what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

When you get it, it's beautiful. It really is. Right? It it really is. It really is. Sister May, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05

So man, I've forgotten. I'm gonna come back.

SPEAKER_02

All right, that's right. That's right. But Brother Aaron and everybody else, you guys can see why it's important to be able to clear, clarify these things throughout scripture. You can't do it with one verse. You need to do it with, you can't do it one verse, and you can't do it always touting Greek words. This is something that only the Holy Spirit can teach you in and throughout, in and throughout his word, to understand. So it's important to understand these things. Without turn, without what we see happening at Calvary on the cross, for instance, for example, like we just spoke about, with what he tells the thief on the cross, from that we understand that the divinity of Christ could never die. But the man, he did die because it was the man that was necessitated to have divine nature who was capable of saving man. A priest is taking from among men to speak of things that pertain to man to God. Christ, the man, was the mediator. Christ, the divine man, the divinity of Christ, was not the mediator. Christ, the God man, was the mediator.

SPEAKER_01

Brother Aaron, go ahead. And doesn't he forever have a hypostasis as fully God and fully man? Amen. Exactly.

ne Christ Forever God And Man

ohn 6 Salvation And The Father’s Gift

SPEAKER_02

That never goes away. That never goes away. You're 100% correct. The Christ that was here on earth, he is the same Christ that we're gonna see when we go to glory. We're gonna see his body, we're gonna be able to see those where the his thorns were in his hand or his uh where the nails were pierced his hands, we're gonna see that. What he showed Thomas after his resurrection and what they saw when Christ ascended on high to go to glory, that's what we're gonna see. And we're gonna see him in all his heavenly glory. All of it. So this term, hypostatic union, it helps us to preserve three things. Three things. The unity of God's being, the triunal nature. Because when we talk about hypostasis or hypostatic union, we are always only talking about persons. Christ was one person, he wasn't two people, the divine and the human. He was one who was equally 100% person and 100%, I mean 100% human and 100% divine. That is the mystery of godliness. That is what the whole mystery is. This man was God, and this God who came in human flesh would redeem man. And it was necessary because there was no man who had the wherewithal to be a suitor to provide redemption to the whole human race that Christ came here to save. Somebody asked a question earlier, uh, I think it was Pat, speaking about um incongruity between the persons. You're not gonna have God the Father trying to save the entire world, every individual, and then Christ only coming here to save some. So, whatever it is God wanted to have done with regard to the salvific nature of who it is he's bringing to faith, Christ came here to save those individuals. Hence, in John 6, what does Christ say? He says, I came to I came to save all of those whom the Father gave me. So whoever it is that Chr that the Father gave to Christ to redeem by his blood, and to have that blood applied to them in a regenerative work of the Holy Spirit, every one of those individuals will shall be saved. That is what God's will is. If God wants all men to be saved, then God's will is going to be frustrated because we know by his own words that all men are not going to be saved. But when Christ says, All that the Father, he says, All that the Father has given me shall what? Shall come out.

SPEAKER_05

And I will in no wise cast out.

SPEAKER_02

That's right. Brother Aaron, what were you gonna say? Oh, I thought he said it, and I I lose none, right? And I lose none. That, yeah, and I lose none. So let me ask you this, brother, brother Aaron. If you if Jesus, if Jesus is the one who says this, and Brother Nathan, Chris, Christ my King, he put the verses, John 6, 35 through 45. If Jesus says, Of all that the Father has given me, I shall lose none, how do you explain anybody being in hell?

SPEAKER_01

Um, they weren't they weren't given to him by the Father? Amen.

ypostasis In Trinity And Incarnation

SPEAKER_02

It's as easy as that. No trick questions here, brother. No trick questions. That is exactly it. Exactly it. Brother Pat, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

And then Meg. I just want to back up to one issue just for the sake of the chat, because I want everyone here leaving today being a monster and knowing, understanding hypostasis completely and being a way stronger Christian. So usually when we hear this term hypostatic union, it's we don't hear it in terms of the Trinity. We always hear it in terms of Jesus and his two natures, right? So there's probably some people listening that are confused right now because you're what are you talking about? Father, you're talking, so this is what we need to understand. Let me just say this. Before the incarnation, the the eternal nature of God is in hypostasis. The father is a hypostasis, the son is a hypostasis, and the Holy Spirit. Eternal hypostasis. That's right. Right? There's three persons with the incarnation and the taking on of a second nature, the son receives a second hypostasis. This is the hypostatic union we talk about with Christ.