LIVE: "His Eyes Shall See His Destruction" (Job 21:17-21), (Part 2/4)

Some desires feel holy because they come dressed as “purpose” or “potential” but they can still be a trap. We talk honestly about the fantasy that wealth will fix our hearts, our marriages, and our gratitude, and why that story often ends in more complaining, not more peace. If you’ve ever told yourself “once I get there, then I’ll give, then I’ll serve, then I’ll be thankful,” we press on that assumption and ask what it would actually turn you into. 

A simple moment brings it home: I lose my wedding ring and feel my emotions spike fast, even snapping at my wife for trying to calm me down. That slip becomes a real-time case study in Christian contentment, gratitude, and how quickly possessions can become a spiritual thermostat for our joy. From there, we anchor the conversation in Scripture and move into a focused Bible study on Job 21:19 and the phrase that won’t let go: “He rewards him, and he shall know it.” 

We unpack divine justice, generational consequences, and the difference between a family suffering fallout and a person bearing their own guilt before God. The group wrestles with hard questions about delayed judgment, the reality of hell, and why “they shall know it” clashes with modern ideas like annihilationism. Along the way we connect Job to Ezekiel 18:4, Revelation 14, and Jesus’ account of Lazarus and the rich man to show why accountability is personal and eternal stakes are real. If you care about Christian theology, biblical justice, and living with gratitude in a noisy world, this one will sharpen you. Subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway.

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he Trap Of Chasing More

SPEAKER_02 0:00

That they will never become. Satan is giving you the delusion that there's something you have here to attain. And even if you get it, what will it turn you into? What will you be if you did get it? How will you live? Everyone always says, oh my gosh, if I get wealthy and rich, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to feed the poor. I'm going to open up an orphanage. I'm going to help children. I'm going to help battered women. I'm going to help recovering alcoholics. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I'm going to evangelize. I'm going to do all this. No, you're not. You're not. Sure, there's always the exception. But it is not the rule. And if you are a Christian today, let me tell you something. If you are a true believer of the Lord Jesus Christ, where you are is where you need to be. And where you are is where God wants you to be. And the surroundings that God has put around you is what He wants you to deal with at the moment. And what God wants us to be is to be grateful and thankful now. Instead of constantly murmuring and complaining and whining. So many of us, even Christians, in spite of the untold wealth that awaits us after we leave this life, Christians are still always whining. Always whining and murmuring and complaining and pining after something that God has not given them. And so when you complain and murmur, your issue is that you have a beef with the way God has handled your life. This is what is rampant in the world. You have great expectations and hopes for people to give you the break you want in this world. Not realizing that you can opt for no greater blessing than to have closed in with the Lord Jesus Christ. What more can you ask for? Little getaway. Been home less than two hours, or about two hours. Get home to find out that somehow, somewhere in our journey back home, from the time we left the hotel to me getting home, I lost my wedding ring. Furious. I'm furious about it. Because of my own stupidity. I misplaced it. It wasn't my wife or anybody else. It was some kind of way. I misplaced it. Forgot it, left it in a hotel, I don't know. Chances are I probably won't get it back. I'm pretty sure of that. If I get it back, great. But I was so upset about it. I was so upset about it. And I kind of snapped at my wife a little bit. Not because, not because of anything she did wrong, but because she was trying to tell me to calm down. And you know how when you get into a situation where something happens to you and affects you in such a way, nothing can comfort you. But I realize how much of an idiot that I was. But this is my this is my point. We get so caught up in this worldly life and the stuff and the things and all these kinds of things. And it caused, and we get to this place where we start forgetting to be thankful. And then my wife says, Well, look at the bright side. Look at the bright side. Now you got a good excuse to get yourself another one. I'll leave that there as an anecdote for you, but I try not to speak too much about me on these messages, but getting back to the word of God, but I thought it was important to understand, to make you understand that uh that I be not hypocritical in dealing with this whole this whole issue because I too can complain and murmur just like any of the rest of us. But we have to be thankful at all times for what God is and has done for us and have that healthy expectation of what we know our ultimate inheritance will be. And it will be far more than the imagination of any 10 billion people could ever muster together. We have no idea what a waste is, but we know it is big. It is big. Verse 19. Job says, God lays up his iniquity, meaning the wealthy man, the powerful man who fell, the ungodly man. God lays up his iniquity for his children. He rewards him, and he shall know it. It gets good here. It gets good here. And I really need you all to understand what is being said here. And I'm gonna try to make it as clear as possible as best I can. So what here, what you, what you normally have here is is this common sort of explanation for God's delayed wrath and punishment of the wicked. And so, and so some have a tendency to believe that that if a wicked man escapes judgment, then God might reserve his punishment for his descendants. And this has been a common thing. And to some degree, it is possible. So, for example, if a if a wicked man had evil dealings in this life and he dies without having to deal with them, and let's say that what he had was taken from him because it was found out that it was earned illegally, well, then his children or whatever might not have the wealth that he had. But as far as the children suffering the judgment that was owed to the father upon himself, this is not something that we should be embracing because it is not true. That is not what happens, and I'm gonna explain to you in this verse why. You know, because you know, and and and again, we don't always know. Sometimes children can be involved in the evil deeds of their father. Sometimes children are involved. Sometimes they work for the company and do what they can to exploit people, they carry out the errands of their wicked father or mother. And so it can be said in some degree that they can suffer some of the wrath that their parent deserves, but they will stand in judgment for their own, and the child will stand in judgment for their own. And that's what we understand. This statement acknowledges that God sometimes allows consequences to fall upon the children of the ungodly. And what I mean is what I just said, which is that they can sometimes have to bear the brunt of the result of the deeds and wickedness of their father, let's say, being found out. And when they're found out, whoever has been cheated is going to probably win, for example, a lawsuit that may come out of the estate of the father, and as a result, taken from his offspring who may be, who may have believed that they were going to live a life of comfort because of what he's what he has done. So there is some effects that an unrighteous person can deserve, and some of the effects of what they deserve can have an effect, can have an impact on their progenitor, their families. And so, however, you can't build an argument for that being the case as a general rule because it is not. It is not. And this should not be the case. This should not be the case. True justice, true justice, would require that the wicked person himself experiences the consequences of his or her own actions. That is a general rule that we can live by. Every man will give an account for what he has done before the thrice holy God. Every person will stand before God and give an account for their own actions. Therefore, it is said in this same verse, He rewards him and he shall know it. Mariah, I'm gonna ask you now, sister, if you can. What do you think this means when it says, He rewards him and he shall know it? God lays up his iniquity for his children, for he rewards him, and he shall know it. What do you think it means? What does it sound like this means to you?

SPEAKER_05 11:12

It sounds like everybody is going to have to um give an account for what they do in their body, whether good or bad. All right. Right. Yep. And so um, and when God layeth up his iniquity, so he's he's the one that's keeping tabs on his iniquity. For his children, he rewardeth him. I don't know, brother.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

All right, that's good. You you you started off pretty good, but but you're you're going up the you're barking up, you're going up the right tree. Sister Candy, what do you think? What do you think it means? He rewards him and he shall know it.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Because he rewards them and he shall know it to me when you said it and I and I like hear it. It says, He knows and he rewards. It's like those that are his children know they have eternal salvation, and we are rewarded in the end. So we're not worried about it right now at the moment.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

So you think this is talking about the believer?

SPEAKER_03 12:25

We lay say it again, he lays up the iniquities, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:30

Of those You got the bike in front of you?

SPEAKER_03 12:34

I do, but I haven't got it opened yet. I just pulled in, was fixing to get out and do my trailer with doors.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Alright, so what so what it said, what it says here is God lays up his iniquity for his children, he rewards him, and he shall know it.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

He lays up his iniquities for his children, and he knows them, and they should know.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

He rewards them and he shall know it. I can come back if you want.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

I mean, he lays up his iniquities for his children because the Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

For God's children. So yeah, I still I still see it as as no matter what for God's children, all he works all things for our good.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

All right.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

For those that love him and his purpose. Okay, whether it's refining or until the day that he calls us home in the redemption.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

I got it. Nope. Okay, I got it. Brother Jeffrey, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Um it says, my Bible says, it is said, God stores up the punishment of the wicked for their children. Let him repay the wicked so that they themselves will experience it. The way I interpret that, Jonathan, is that God is going to deal with them in such a way that they will know, they will understand they are being dealt with by God for what has transpired in their lives.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Can't say it any better. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

That's exactly right. So what Job is saying, I mean, what Job is saying here, you know, he says he's saying here that that well, what's happening here is is the acknowledgement. He's acknowledging that God sometimes allows consequences to fall upon the children of the ungodly. So that part we talked about. That can happen.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Have you guys heard that song from Josiah Queen about Job? Like, it's such an amazing song.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

No, we haven't heard it. Type it in the type type it in the comments, but I'll get to you in a second. But type the name of the song in the comments if you don't mind. And I'll call on you next.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

I'll wait and listen for a while and then I'll type it in. All right, perfect. All right.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

So now, um, so what's happening is you know, Job is pointing out that true justice would require that the wicked person himself. Here's the important thing: the wicked person himself must experiences, must experience the consequences of his or her own actions. Therefore, it says here, he rewards him and he shall know it, just like Brother Jeffrey said, he shall know it. In other words, here's the thing. What Job was pointing out is that man, wicked, wicked men, will never escape the condemnation of God. They will never escape the wrath of God, even if they die without having any apparent uh condemnation or or affliction or suffering to happen to them in this life. God is making it, you know, Job is saying that what God is going to do is he's going to reward him. Eventually, he's going to reward him. And he says that the person that is getting rewarded, this wrath and this indignation of God, he is saying he will not only be rewarded with it, but he will know it. Even if it is after he is dead, he is going to know when he has received the wrath of God. And this blows to pieces all of these clowns that are that are going around telling everybody right now that there is no hell, there is no eternal condemnation, that there is annihilation. Annihilation is the reward for your wickedness. Well, what do the annihilated know? They know nothing. If they don't exist, there's nothing to know. But what Job is saying here is that God will reward him and he shall know it. He will know it. He will be cognizant of the fact that it is happening. Hell awaits the wicked, and when they are turned into it, they will know it. Even if they are on their deathbed and they're 105 years old, thanking and praising themselves because they have willed themselves to a full life, not knowing that eternal death happens the minute they shut their eyes. Because the second that they close their eyes on this earth, they will wake up in an eternal flame. And it says, They shall know it. Sister Mariah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 17:49

Yes, it just reminded me of verse four where he says, As for me, is my complaint to man, and if it were so, why should not my spirit be troubled? And he's saying it's it's what's done, I know is done of God, because it's not something that mere man is that is troubling my spirit, you know. So, so um I'm attributing that same language here that they will know when the hand of God has touched them and they are in big trouble when that happens.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Amen. Exactly right, sister. Exactly right, exactly right. And this this is this is another this is another one of these kind of things where Job is speaking about things way before the time. He's saying that even when the wicked die, even when the wicked die, he's saying that you are not going to escape divine retribution. It's coming for you. And if you saw none of that, if you got none of the earnest of God's wrath while you're alive, you will certainly feel and be aware of the full brunt of it when you shut your eyes on this earth. You're going to be confronted with the God with whom you had irreconcilable differences. And that will become your statement of eternal condemnation. Me and the God who made me, we have had nothing but irreconcilable differences. And now I see my way. Now I know that his wrath has caught up with me. His indignation belongs to me. My food for eternity will be the flames that are in hell. Christians, we need to remind people hell is real. You're not going to go to sleep on the deathbed somewhere and think you're gonna wake up in some la land and that you got away and you cheated life. You may cheat life, but you will not cheat God, and you certainly will not cheat death. You will not. Everyone who is listening, understand something. You need to make people understand hell is real and it is on its way. It's on its way. And you may live to be a hundred years, and you may think you got away with all your sin, all your oppression, all your cheating and lying and false swearing and adulteries and fornications and disrespect of your parents and all your idolatry. I can tell you. I can tell you. It's coming for you. Somebody says, with y'all, are you okay, sir? I'm perfectly fine. Are you? Are you? I am perfectly fine. I know that my Lord lives, I know that he's on his throne. I know that he gives rewards for his righteous servants, and I know he condemns the wicked. So, my question to you, with ya, is this are you okay? Sister Maya, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

You know, this is really good because like once we get into this chapter, we see previously, right, that Job's friends were speaking as if if wickedness was swift. Right? But see, now that we're in this chapter, we're seeing, oh no. It's it, you we you you will see the wicked do their wicked deeds. You will see all of these things. But see, what what they failed to realize is Then God's justice is perfect. And just as he rewards those who are in Christ, right? Who have the righteousness obtained for Jesus, they have the blood that covers them. When you stand before a holy and righteous kingdom, you have there's two things that are gonna happen. Either you stand in front of him with the blood of his son, and you owe nothing because of him, or you stand before him naked with nothing covering you, covering you. And you have to, your sin demands payment. So it's time to pay up. And so because he is just, right, we see that the reason for hell and the reason why hell is real is because hell glorifies his justice. And heaven glorifies his grace and his mercy. And it and just like you said in the previous verse, justice is personal. And that's what he was what he was talking about also in that verse, is that it's not going to be held out for your kids. You will get that. You will refuse to receive that justice.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

Right. Amen. Brother Jeffrey, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

Jonathan, let's again go back to the story that Jesus told of Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man, when he lifted up his life, his eyes rather, from hell, he knew, he understood, and he was in total, complete, absolute agreement. This is where he belonged. Because he never argued with Father Abraham. No, there's been an accounting error. I shouldn't be here. No, no, no. He's talking about well, send somebody to tell my brothers about this horrible place so they don't wind up here too. No, that didn't happen either. He understood completely. This is where he was supposed to be and where he was going to be. And when everybody else is in that place who winds up there, they're gonna tragically, unfortunately, understand they were judged properly, fully, and correctly. This is their reward. Amen, brother.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Just a candy. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

So now I got my notes pulled out. It took me to um my notes. I have Ezekiel 18, 4. And I'm pretty sure I've said this before. Behold, all souls are mine. The soul of the Father, as well as the soul of the Son, is mine. The soul who sins will die. And then, of course, you know, he goes on later in the chapter, and of course, he tells you, repent and turn from your wicked ways, you know what I'm saying? Because so that your iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you. So either way it goes, the righteous or the unrighteous are going to stand before the Lord and have to answer for everything we do.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

That's right. Amen. You know, it is it's like in this situation. I mean, this this is such a gr this is such a profound verse. If you really, if if you if you take this verse and sit quiet with it, it it's it's pretty alarming. Because you know, God is telling us there's no escaping what we do. Now, again, we don't we're not saying that children don't suffer to some degree because of the sins of their fathers. But this is what we need to distinguish. It's like, for instance, if a fa if a father has a child, has has a son or daughter, or both, whatever, and that father goes in and tries to rob or liquor store, rob a bank, or or do something really bad, they get arrested and go to jail. Those are the consequences of them breaking the law. But the effects of that person going to prison is going to impact his family. They are not being judged, even though they are suffering the impact of their father who was imprisoned, the loss of income, the loss of support that he brought to the household before he got did something stupid, his children and family, they're going to suffer. But they are not suffering, they are not suffering because of any sin that they did. And they are not suffering wrath because of because of what this man is getting. They are just simply dealing with the byproduct of the mistakes and the sins that the father has made. And it's natural, the loss of income that he may have been bringing to the household, which probably warranted him going to steal in the first place. Whatever the issue is, children and families suffer when parents make bad decisions. But the kid is not going to be going, is not going to be imprisoned and condemned and given 20 years or whatever because of what the father did. The father deals with that on his own. But the consequences of his abandoning his band his abandonment, because he pursued sin and crime, because he did that, they are going to suffer to some degree. And there's going to be a lot involved with all that. So, and sure, many of us have understood this. Me and my siblings, we understand that impact of having your father not there. Um, and so many of us do understand this. So, even though children may suffer a little bit, but it questions whether the deferred punishment truly answers the difficulty that is being discussed with reference to the wicked men, or you know, wicked, the wicked person. So the idea that Job is trying to mitigate against is this if God, if a person, if a wicked person lives their entire life, made a lot of money, did it uh illegally, they were um they stole, they cheated, they were just wicked, just all and out wicked in every way. And they seemed to have everything go right for them. No matter what they did, if they did it, whatever they did right or wrong, they always prospered. And on top of that, they stay healthy, they stay healthy, they're on their deathbed. 100 years old, 90 years old, 80 years old, they do all this and they seem to just cruise through life. They just cruise. And so when they when they're when their turn comes for God to put their candle out to reward his children with the condemnation that he deserved, this would not be justice. If God exacts the justice due to the father who dies before we see any indication of God's wrath and indignation being leveled against him, if that wrath and indignation is put upon the son or the daughters or the wife or the family, that would not be justice. And like Sister Meg says, God is a God who is just and he exacts perfect justice, perfect leaf. He exacts perfect justice, perfect leaf always. So we need to consider that when people who we have witnessed to be wicked and evil people through and through, no matter how they live, no matter how long they live, no matter how healthy they are, no matter how their life seems to just flourish, no matter what they do, make no mistake about it. The wrath and judgment of God is coming. And even if it is after their death, they will know it. It's a promise from the Lord, they will know it. Candy, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Anybody wants to go back, Revelation 14, you can go back to 10, but I'm gonna read verse 12 because what you're talking about, but here's where I'm coming from with it. Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. Because what they're gonna suffer and go through, we have been preserved from that torment, that agony, that pain, and suffering. For what we suffer here is nothing compared to what the wicked is gonna have to drink from that cup of wrath in full force, the fullness of it.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Right, thank you, Lord. Amen. You're right, amen, sister. Verse 19, I'll read it again. God lays up his iniquity for his children, he rewards him, and he shall know it. Now listen to verse 20. Job continues, talking about the wicked man. He says, not only did will he know it, he he says, his eyes shall see his destruction. His eyes shall see his destruction, and he shall drink of the wrath of the Almighty. He shall drink of the wrath of the Almighty. I keep hearing something behind me. I don't know what it is. But anyway, his eyes shall see his destruction.