LIVE: "His Eyes Shall See His Destruction" (Job 21:17-21), (Part 4/4)

The most unsettling kind of injustice is the kind that looks like it “works.” Some people do wrong, stay comfortable, build a life that seems blessed, and never face consequences in public. We sit with Job’s realism about the prosperity of the wicked and say the quiet part out loud: delayed judgment is still judgment. No one escapes God’s justice, even if their whole life looks like a celebration right up to the end. That theme isn’t meant to fuel smugness, it’s meant to wake us up. 

Then we go straight to the question that should humble every Christian: if God gives every sin its due, how can any of us stand? The answer is the heart of the gospel. We talk propitiation, the wrath of God, and why the cross is not God “letting it slide” but God satisfying justice through Jesus Christ. Christ bears what we owed, leaves our sin in the grave, and credits believers with righteousness, so reconciliation with God is real, not imagined. 

We also unpack the Rich Man and Lazarus, pushing back on the fantasy that hell is a party or that death magically changes a wicked heart. Along the way we use a vivid everyday analogy to picture eternity, talk about doubt and dependence in a walk of faith, and close as a church-like family with prayer for real needs. If you care about Job, divine justice, salvation by grace, and the urgency of repentance, this conversation will stay with you. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway.

Transcript

Prosperity Now Judgment Later

SPEAKER_04 0:00

That the wicked man himself will see and know and experience the judgment, even if it doesn't happen in this life. Be assured it is going to happen. And if you are an unbeliever, thinking that your life has been so prosperous and so good and joyful, and you never had a need, never had a need for Christ, rest assured, rest assured, you are going to face the wrath of God the second you shut your eyes on this earth. It is coming. And it is coming quickly. But he definitely will when he leaves this earth. And so this whole passage sort of is sort of deepens this whole um this whole problem that we're dealing with. The visible prosperity of the wicked often continues throughout their lives. And it contradicts the simple doctrine that suffering always follows wickedness immediately. And that is what Job's friends thought, and just as what Job is arguing against. It doesn't always happen immediately. And so when you think people are getting away with stuff, you need to understand what Job is arguing is that they will never get away with it. Justice is coming, and no one will escape it. No one. They will never escape justice. Even if their whole life seems to be just one big Jubilee for their entire life. Understand this. When they die, they are going to incur the full wrath of God. They're going to know it and they're going to see it and they're going to experience it. But they must receive justice, and that justice must come from God. However, on the other hand, for the righteous person, you might think, we don't have to deal with that. And you're right. We don't have to deal with that. But we still need to have God's justice account for our sin. But God sent his son, and his justice that was owed to us, he imposed upon his son, so that we in his stead can be reconciled to God. And it's not that wrath didn't take place, the wrath just did not take place upon us. Brother Michael says it right. He brought the word propitiation. Christ was our propitiation, the bearer of our wrath. The bearer of our sin, the bearer of our wrath, and the bearer of God's justice that was due and owed to us as a wage. But it was the quality of his person that only required this to last as long as he was on that cross. And when he came out of that grave, he left our sin there and imputed to us who believe his righteousness, and therefore we stand before God reconciled. But make no mistake about it. All sin, all sin will receive its due justice from God. For the wicked, they will receive that justice on themselves. To the righteous, Christ has received our wrath and justice in our stead. Be provoked and be persuaded. Christians. Last words. Last words for tonight. I'll start with a new person here, I dog or L Dog.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

L Dog.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

L Dog. Welcome, brother. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 4:35

All right. What's going on, man?

SPEAKER_04 4:37

It's going all right, man. It's going all right.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

I like what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

Well, God bless you, man. Thank you. I appreciate that. I thank you. You're one of the you're one of the few people that won't call me crazy, I take it.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

That's far from crazy. But that's to be expected from the unbelievers. That's true. That's to be called you. We will call you crazy, foolish. Yep. But the foolishness of the cross is is uh is is expected from uh from a natural man. That's right, brother. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's right. And uh the spirit here's the spirit, man. Spirit here's the spirit. It hears truth, truth recognizes truth. That's right, brother. And uh we can spot a lie a long way off. That's nothing.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

You know? Yep. Well, brother, I'm glad you came up here. What so, so um, you know, we we we are here almost every night, almost every night, unless I take a day or two off during the week, but generally speaking, it's 7:30 Central Time. We're here, man. So if you ever want to stop in, you're always welcome. Always welcome.

unknown 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

You guys have been on for a while.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

Yeah, yeah. We've been on since 7 30.

unknown 5:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

So yeah, we we we usually hang out for a while and we talk and goof off, and uh, but we we you know I try to keep us keep us focused on the word of God itself. But we and we got a good group of folks and we do a good job at doing that. And and I think the the Lord the Lord God has been a blessing to us because of it, man. So uh like I said, you're always welcome, and man. Um uh and your your word your words were appropriate and kind and right on time, so I appreciate it, brother.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Uh thanks. I appreciate that, man. That was but that was good, though. I liked I like what I was hearing.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Thank you, brother. I appreciate it, and maybe you come back. I really will.

Gratitude For The Gospel’s Bad News

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Sister, Sister Grace, last word for tonight.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Well, how can we enjoy the good news or appreciate the good news if we haven't heard the bad news?

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Amen, sister.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

So, but I I just want to thank God. I just want to take a moment to thank God and thank Jesus, you know, for for their sacrifice because I I mean I'm just so grateful, and I don't think like I'll ever stop being grateful. Like even like even when you know we're all glorified. I mean, uh our I think it's meant to be that way, like our like we're meant to be thankful towards him like for eternity. And he he you know, he designed it that way, way on purpose, and it's just so beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

It is, sister. It really is. It really is. Sister Candy, last word.

SPEAKER_08 7:25

God is so so good. So good. It is so intentional. We always see people get mad trying to get someone to believe what his word says and say they know it. He tells us. He's so intentional with his words, right? There's no reason why we should get upset because someone don't want to believe the truth. Right when they're speaking it, but they they're twisting it. So any of y'all that get out here and get on these socks trying to speak God's word, show the good news, just don't don't fall into the the the worldly way of getting upset and caught up in their little trap. Because that's what they're here to do. They are the instruments to do just that. Right. God's word is intentional and true, and those that know it are here, and he knows it, and he knows who ain't. So trust him in all things and everything.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

Amen, sister. Thank you today. Candy. Brother Trucker, you want to add anything to the conversation? We have a last first for the night. You want to add anything? I don't know how much you heard, but if you want to add something, feel free. Okay, you might be uh having a problem, I think. Sister May, last word for tonight, sister.

SPEAKER_07 8:48

I I agree with um Sister Savannah. It's just, you know, a moment where you take time and you just reflect and you just thank the Lord that out of his grace and his kindness and his mercy that he decided to display um in his sheep, that we are the bearers of that. And I am we we were all just talking about this previously. It's just you don't realize the gift that we truly have. Like we just it's so deep and it's so much. And if God were to be completely just, he would have left us all right where we were, and thank God that he wasn't. And uh yeah, it's just it's really deep. But hell is real, and you will be put in there. Um when you sin against a holy and righteous God, sin demands payment. So that's why we spread the gospel, and that's why we do it expediently.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

I like that. Absolutely. Sister Mariah, last word.

SPEAKER_06 9:59

Um I I think that this was a beautiful point to bring out that um, and I think that this is why that Jesus gave the parable of the rich man and the poor man. And um, because I I bet some of those people would have said, oh, the rich man, he has gone, he is still living his life of wealth and and reaping all his benefits endlessly. And Lazarus, he's still suffering, you know how he was on earth, you know. And that's why he says Remember when you were on earth, you had the good things, and Lazarus, he suffered. Well, now he's no longer suffering, but uh you are, you know. And um although you thought this day would never come, here it is. And so I think that that was good because a lot of people just don't realize um that they don't get away with it. They think that even if so, if they go to hell, it's a party, um, and they're just gonna be living it up, you know. And and that could be the furthest thing from the truth. It it really is true when the Bible says that um that you're storing up wrath when you and that is crazy when you when you put into perspective that a person who has not been repentant, uh, have not have a heart of repentance, that a hundred years they were given. I cannot imagine how much wrath they just stored up in that time, you know?

SPEAKER_09 11:34

Right.

SPEAKER_06 11:35

Man, it it's really when you put it down in such a uh simplistic sense of that matter, it just is bewildering to me.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

It is.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

It is such a it is such a an unbelievable terror that awaits so many people. And here's the interesting thing, Mariah, is that you brought up the rich man in Lazarus. And the next time you look at that passage, you will realize that the rich man, even after his death, he still could not shake off his depravity. He's still giving orders, he's giving orders to Abraham to tell Abraham, can you send Lazarus to dip him dip his finger in water and come dip touch my tongue? He's he is still himself. The wicked don't change when they go to hell. Their depravity is still resident with them. They still can't change. They still can't do it. They have no, even though they're suffering, the the ability to repent is gone. The time, the window to repent is gone. They can't do it. God has taken away whatever will they thought they had when they were on work that was that was on earth that was free. Their ability now is absolutely gone. If they had an ability, the ability that they thought they had that we argued against while they were on earth, you don't have free will. Your sin is you are in bondage to sin. They go to hell still like that. Then he tells Abraham, Well, can you send him to my five brothers and tell them so that they can be warned not to come to this place? He's still barking orders even in hell. But it also shows that he knows that he sees his situation. He knows he's in it, he sees it, and and he and he describes it as a place of torment, a place where he's inflamed, and yet not consumed. Soon it is going to be body and soul.

SPEAKER_06 14:05

So now he sees his destruction. And wow.

Eternity Illustrated By Sudden Pain

SPEAKER_04 14:11

He sees it. He he sees it, he's in it, he's swimming in it, he's and is and and you know, uh when you consider the fact that uh the moment you the moment you close your eyes begins the first minute of eternity. For the Christians, it's a most joyable, a most joyous occasion. But for the wicked, day one, and it never ends, it never relents. You know, we have a grace that God has given us. It's like I'll give you an example. You guys will all know what I'm talking about. One day, uh a few weeks ago, I was, I don't know, walking around, I was walking out of my bedroom, going to the to the restroom or something or somewhere in the in the rest in the restroom, and I have these doors that that that go into the restroom, these double doors, and I wasn't paying attention, and I in full stride, I slammed my toes on that door. You know that fraction of a second where you don't feel anything? It's like a split second, you don't feel anything, and then all of a sudden, here comes the pain. See, that's what it's gonna be like. You know what I mean? Or when you slam the exactly what you mean. You know what I mean? You slam your finger in the door, or uh, you know, you you cut your hand, you know, something you you cut, and and that, but that split second, you know what's coming, but that split second, you feel nothing, but you know it's coming. And you're cursing up a storm, and then here the pain kicks in. And man. That's not going to be what happens when you're in hell. Not even that split second of no pain, or that split second of numbness. That's a grace that God has given us to not have to endure pain for forever. And it's like this it's like this, it's like this whole idea that if you're a Christian, it's it almost shows us through this experience that what we're going through now in this life is about as short as that that that brief moment where there's no pain. But to the wicked person, it's the other way around. Their life has been this entire the entire season of their life has been that split second where there was no pain. Only to go into hell and to have there be nothing other than pain.

SPEAKER_06 16:57

But you know, brother, it's when you lay eyes on like your foot. When once you look down to where you stubbed your foot at, then the pain kicks in. When your eyes, you and it is the most craziest thing.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

Yep. It is. But so you and you guys all know what I'm talking about. It is it's that whole, is, it's it's it, that is a that's a that little space is like a a moment that God, it's a grace from God that we don't, that we don't have to, that we are reminded that it doesn't have to be, that it's not temporary. You know, I mean that it's only temporary. And so, and so when a person dies unrepentant, there is no way to fully describe what their afterlife is going to be like. No man can get it, can nail it perfectly.

SPEAKER_07 17:56

Do you think that that's why, like, because remember in the Old Testament, like with the first but well, Noah and some years after that people lived like 900 years. Could you imagine the wrath that was stored up for these people who lived this long? But then it's almost by the grace of God, it is the grace of God that he limited everything to 120 years because so much wrath would be stored up in these people, and it's a it's a grace I would see in my eyes, but even evil is restrained. It is, you know what I mean? So, like if God were to truly let evil up, and I think it's restrained for our sake, for his children, but if it was to be let up for just one second, it would be everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Right.

SPEAKER_07 18:45

Yeah, it would be, it would, I I just don't think we realize how depraved we really were.

No True Atheism Bondage And Faith

SPEAKER_04 18:52

We look, we we we we don't fully it it would take our entire lifetime to really understand it, and we will only touch the barely the surface of it. Um at least I feel that way about me, and it's it's like the the depths of depravity that warrant such a terrible end if you don't repent. We look at the at the afterlife for the wicked, and we we just we we speak about it in such a way where we because we've been informed about it, we study the scriptures and we're informed about it, but there's really no way to prepare for that. You can't prepare for that. And only the the only way to actually be prepared for it is to avoid it altogether by submitting to Christ, by submitting to the gospel, turning to God. That's the only way. But for that to be the only way, there's a there's there's a there's something that God has put in man to make him understand that this is what is going to happen. See, I believe that like uh you know, we talk about atheists and agnostics and whatever. See, I'm one of these kind of people that don't that don't believe uh that there's any such thing as an atheist. There's no atheist. There is just the there is there is the depraved sinner and the sinner that was saved by grace. An atheist? Bible makes you clear. There's none to seek after God. So basically, we're born atheists. We're like little idolatry factories. We we will want we want to do anything we can to avoid settling things with God. We're not we don't realize that Christ is a good Lord. He's the savior. He's not trying to condemn us. He's saying, I have been subjected to your condemnation. I have been subjected to your condemnation. Trust me, and you have no reason to fear anything, no repercussions for all your sin, because I bore it all myself. Can you believe that? Sinner, can you believe that? Christian, can you continue to believe that? Does that continue to enthrall your mind and heart with knowing that Christ bore all your sin? And you will say, Oh yeah, I do, I do 100%. But yet you're always feeling this doubt that we have sometimes. It happens to us all. But these are mechanisms designed to do what? Continue to improve, help us to improve upon our dependence upon our God. We need to be motivated to keep up our dependence. Stay faithful. Be like Job. Understand that God will never leave or forsake his people. Go ahead, man.

SPEAKER_07 22:16

Do you know one thing I think about all the time? Is that when we have our glorified bodies, there is gonna be no more sickness. We're all gonna be in our the prime of our lives. The only one who's gonna have something different is the Lord Jesus Christ. He's gonna have those nails in his hands, those marks, those marks in his feet, and the price that he paid for that was truly eternal.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

Right.

SPEAKER_07 22:45

And we're not gonna have that. And he is.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Amen. Amen. Brother Jeffrey, can you hear me?

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Yes, I can.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

Okay, I know you had a problem. Uh how about um well let me let me let me I'll come in one second. I dog, L Dog, since you're new, I want to give you another chance. You wanna you want to have one last word before we close out in uh in prayer?

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Uh no, I just want to um I just want to give thanks to God for uh taking away our sins and and uh putting them behind putting my sins behind his back never to see him again. I want to give thanks for all those things all the days of that I'm here on earth. I hear people they still struggling with the sin issue. They still think that we are we're still sinners and and we and Christ didn't do it. Christ didn't do it all. He didn't finish his work. And on the cross, he yeah, he's he said it is finished. Then let's die. Trade and full. But we want to accept it. You know, that's why, and and then we wonder why we're so we're feeling doubt and and and and afraid and worried. All you have to do is believe it. The life we're walking as believers is a walk of faith. That's right. You're not gonna find nothing else. You're not, I mean, I know people want to put their two cents in all the time, but you're not gonna find it in a walk of faith because we we trust in Christ. Not trusting ourselves. Right. That's about it, brother.

SPEAKER_04 24:20

Amen, brother. Thank you for that, man, and thank you for being here. I really appreciate you. I really do.

unknown 24:24

No problem, no problem.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

Brother Jeffrey, last word and close us out if you will, brother.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

Well, Jonathan, I tell you, it is good to have you back tonight. I I uh uh hope that I can speak for everybody when uh say you were missed last week. However, however, we know you needed to break and that you and and Roxana had a good getaway this weekend. And just a minute, uh, Jonathan, as I close this out in prayer, I'm gonna pray that uh God will reunite you or bring back to you your wedding band given to you by your lovely bride on wedding day, and that it will be returned quickly and promptly to you. God is capable, he knows where it is, he knows what happened. So don't blow his head up too much, okay?

SPEAKER_07 25:16

We only missed him a little bit, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:18

No, I missed him a lot. I I I had I needed my Jonathan fixed.

SPEAKER_07 25:21

Don't do that to him.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Just a tad.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

Don't listen to Meg. She's the reason I took a vacation.

SPEAKER_02 25:32

Well, I think okay, let me be honest with you. I missed all of you. Not just Jonathan. I missed even you, Meg, and uh missed all of you. And uh it's good to be back together, guys. We are not just another group on TikTok. We are family, and we are bonded together by the love and the grace of Christ that we talked about tonight, and Jonathan reminded us of tonight. So let's uh uh be in uh be thankful for that. So let's close this thing up in prayer tonight. Father, we just thank you.

SPEAKER_06 26:03

I mean, uh brother Jeffrey, can we keep in mind Sister Lisa's granddaughter, Cameron, please?

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I've already got it on the list. In fact, uh Lisa put Lisa put out a uh note uh this afternoon about it. Has anybody heard anything as far as an update is concerned?

SPEAKER_07 26:21

Yeah, her her granddaughter um they found out that her she was really dehydrated and her intestines were in themselves, so she's she has a lot of inflammation. They're just we're just we want to pray that there's no surgery, okay?

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Okay. All right, we'll do. And then Father was thinks go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 26:42

And then Pat and his family.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

Right. I've got that on the list too. Okay, and I've got a friend of mine who had surgery this morning in Arkansas, and uh uh just got a pick from him during Jonathan's uh uh teaching tonight that the surgery, well, he's in a lot of pain, but the surgery was a success. And so uh we're gonna just praise God for that. So, Lord, we just thank you tonight for the opportunity that we are back together, your children and your family. Father, I thank you that even though our last names may be different, Father, we are brothers and sisters. We are your children, we are closer, Lord, than blood siblings because of your blood is the one that binds us together. Not uh the blood of human beings, but your blood that you shed upon the cross brings us, binds us, ties us together, and Lord gives us relationship, gives us purpose, gives us meaning. Thank you, Lord. Thank you for each and every one here tonight. Lord, we lift Patrick up to you tonight. Lord, we don't know what that situation is. It's just a situation in the household, he said. We pray for him. We pray for strength, peace, healing, restoration, Lord, whatever is called for and needed there, Lord. We pray that you would move there and into that situation fully and completely, and that every prayer, every need, every concern would be answered by you. We lift up Lisa's granddaughter tonight, Cameron, Lord, that uh she is recovering, that she gets properly hydrated, they're getting the fluids into her that she needs. We pray that surgery is not successful. Lord, we pray that your healing hand is more than adequate. And when this is all done, we see Lisa rejoicing, praising you, giving you the glory, giving you the thanks, Lord, and just hopping up and down with how grateful she is for what you've done. So thank you for Lisa. Be with her tonight and her granddaughter. Father, we pray for my friend Jonathan tonight, Lord, our teacher, our mentor, Lord, that he is quickly and completely reunited with the wedding band that his lovely bride gave to him on the wedding day. Father, I know it can be a difficult thing losing something, Father, of that significance and that importance that's given to him in love. But Father, you know where it is, and we pray that you get your hands on it and you get it back to him. Lord, I also want to lift up my friend Dubs tonight, Lord, in Arkansas. He's had a successful surgery, eases pain. Father God, help him to fully recover from the surgery and get back to doing what he does, Lord, being a full man of God that you created him to be. Lord, we are so grateful to be here tonight. And we thank you for this incredible lesson from Job, how he continues to defend himself wisely and well help us to learn from that. We love you. Thank you for your presence here tonight for all everyone who contributed. Lord, for a great evening. It's good to be back with my family. Lord, we love you. We're all happy to be here. We give you the glory and the honor and the praise now and the thanks in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. All right, of course.

SPEAKER_06 30:04

Let me run downstairs.

SPEAKER_09 30:12

Hi.

SPEAKER_05 30:14

Hello. How are you?

SPEAKER_09 30:16

No. Hi, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Hi. I thought he wanted to say hi, and he said no hi. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 30:57

Good night, love you.

SPEAKER_06 30:59

We love you.

SPEAKER_05 31:01

What a great way to close. There's no better way than there's no better way to close than with picking your baby. That's right. Mariah's a good she's a good mom.

SPEAKER_04 31:13

Well, God bless everybody tonight, and look forward to getting back to it tomorrow. And uh don't expect to be getting rid of me in for more than three days again like that, or two days.

SPEAKER_07 31:22

We'll be okay, Jonathan. I know you will. I love working with my brother boy.

SPEAKER_04 31:31

Well, God bless you guys. Have a great have a great night, and we'll look forward to tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06 31:34

All right.

SPEAKER_04 31:35

All right, every night, everybody.

SPEAKER_06 31:37

Don't be a wicked bill dad.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

Yeah. Don't be a zil bad either.