LIVE DISCUSSION: "Shall Any Teach God" - (Job 21:22-27), Part 3/4

Somebody you know is hurting, and the room goes quiet. Then the guesses start. They must have sinned. God is punishing them. If they were really faithful, this wouldn’t be happening. We sit with the Book of Job and confront how fast suspicion becomes a verdict, especially when it’s dressed up as spiritual “wisdom.” Job pushes back hard: you’re speaking from imagination, not evidence, and your words are beating me down when I’m already crushed.

We talk about whether Job’s companions are true friends or exposed enemies, and why indirect condemnation can function like modern passive aggressive communication. The contrast with Nathan confronting David makes the lesson plain: truth requires facts, humility, and the courage to be clear. When there are no receipts, religious talk turns into accusation, and a “tongue lashing” becomes real violence. We also dig into Job 21 and the prosperity assumptions people use to explain suffering, then ask the harder question: what do you do when you believe in God’s justice but you don’t see it on your timeline?

From there, the conversation widens to Jesus, the false charges brought against Him, and how an illegal trial still moved forward for the sake of expediency. That connection pushes us toward Christian discernment, deeper Bible reading, and a steadier trust in God’s sovereignty. We end by looking at the Second Coming of Christ, not as the suffering servant, but as King and Judge, and what it means when the wicked appear to prosper in the meantime.

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Transcript

Job Pushes Back On Suspicion

SPEAKER_04 0:00

About it was just suspicions that was driving their judgment. No evidence, just suspicion. That's it. And so he calls these thoughts that he knows that they have about him, he calls them devices which they wrongly imagine. He says, I know what you're thinking, but you're wrong. Your speech has been nothing but one long strand of condemnation for a wicked man that you are speaking to me in an indirect fashion about. Your imagination is wrong. Your suspicions are wrong. This is what Job is saying. And he's saying, I have not abandoned my God. I haven't turned my back on the Lord. My faith I cling to dearly with every morsel and fiber of my being. I have not been distracted from my path. But yet, your words, your speech, you condemn me in all these things that you're saying, and you don't know what's going on inside my heart. You're looking at the outside. And I need you to look at me on the inside. I need you to help me figure out how to deal under the weight of this tremendous affliction that I'm going through right now. But you won't have anything to do with that. So when he says devices which you wrongfully imagine, Job suggests that there's a there that there are deliberate conclusions that they have formed without any just pause whatsoever. Just feelings based on what they see. And that's it. So instead of instead of seeking the truth, you know, they built a case against him based on assumptions and suspicions. And so now what it ends up, what they end up doing, they end up running headlong into bringing accusations against someone who is actually innocent. Sister May, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 2:27

Do you think that we can conclude, like, I I it takes me all the way back to the very beginning in this, and it's like how I wonder how they knew back in the day that Job was going through this. Um I don't remember like how they heard, but I we know that they came and they sat with him in silence for seven days. And by now we know that it's the best thing that they could have ever done. But do you really think that these people were Job's friends at all to begin with?

SPEAKER_04 3:00

I I have a I have a I believe that they were probably friends. And I believe that Job is discovering something new about them now. You know, sometimes it takes a while to find out that a friend is not a friend. You know, and so I I you know, I don't think that these guys were just some random dudes that heard about Job in a newspaper and decided to come over and visit. I think that they had a relationship, I think that they had some kind of a connection because it says that before they came, that they all sort of got together and discussed um coming to see Job as a collective, as a group. So, but outside of that, there's not there's not much more than it talks about, other than that. So I have I have a tendency to believe that at the very least, Job probably thought they were friends.

SPEAKER_07 4:03

Yeah, but now now that I think about it, like when I'm when we're sitting here talking about what you just said, you know, as the scripture says, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, right? And so sometimes when you listen to people long enough, whatever's inside of them will come out. And it's making me kind of angry, like when we're reading this, because it's like what you know, and and then I Hebrews chapter 4, verse 12 comes, right? Like the the word of God is quick and sharper than any two-edged sword. It goes between soul and spirit, bone and marrow, and it reveals the intents of the heart. And so in a way, I feel that it's their intents of their hearts are being shown through what they're doing to Job. Like it was there some deep-rooted jealousy because at a point in time he did have all of these things. Was there something that uh in them that coveted what Job had? You know, all of these questions come into me, revealing that if somebody was your true friend, they would have never done this. Even in Job's claims, like Zophar made a case against him to show him that he was wicked. And in Job's response, Job is telling them, I need you to look inside of me, like basically like, what are you thinking? And they're still not relenting on anything that they've said. It's not until the Lord God speaks that there's any type of thought, afterthought. And that's revealing about people today, too, you know?

Indirect Speech And Passive Aggression

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Yep. You know, the we we we have a situation when when in in in the scriptures where where somebody talks this way, the way Job's friends are talking. If you remember, remember Nathan, the prophet, when he came to David. Remember, David had had taken up with Bathsheba, and then he also had her husband put on the front line at the heat of the battle, and had him, had him killed, and then basically took over everything that he had, you know, when he took Bathsheba. But Nathan, knowing that he's dealing with the king, he goes to him and he tells, he tells David this story about a rich man who steals a poor man's lamb, speaking as if it's about someone else. This is what Job's friends are talking to him. So Nathan is speaking to David as if he's talking about someone else. And then David gets hot. He gets hot. And he gets incensed with anger, and then David asks Nathan, who is this man? I'm gonna go, you know, handle this, I'm gonna handle this business with him. And then what does Nathan tell him? Thou art the man. It's you, David. See, Nathan had the facts, he knew what happened, and he had reverence for David, so much so that he took a careful approach in how he presented it. But like Brother Coss says in the comments, Nathan had receipts. Job's friends did not. So the point is that sometimes indirect speech can be used intentionally to kind of reveal what's in someone's what's in someone's heart before the person even realizes that it's about them. But in Job's case, they had nothing.

SPEAKER_07 7:58

So that would be modern day passive aggressiveness.

Prosperity Logic Applied To Job

When Words Become Violence

SPEAKER_04 8:01

Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. That's that's in fact, that's a really good way of looking at it. That's what it, yeah. That's what it is. Passive aggressive. You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna deal with the outskirts of the issue. I'm not gonna deal with it head on, and I hope you'll get it. And then, you know, Job would say something to them like right now, he says, Oh, I know what you're thinking. I I get I understand your your deceptive way of approaching it. And, you know, and they would probably be thinking, like, well, well, then why don't you just say something? And he he'd probably be like, Why don't you just say it straight? You know, I know I don't know about all of you, but I like hearing it straight, uncut. That's how I like hearing it. And I think we should take it that way, and I think that we should also be mature enough to dish it out that way. And and and and you you're you're amazed at how fast you get to the issue and get to a resolution. Nathan, when he dealt with King David, look how fast this was dealt with this was dealt with. And David was able to hear what God was going to pronounce in terms of judgment, and God even gave him a choice. And which one he wanted. He wanted to be left in the hands of man, I mean left in the hands of God and not in the hands of man. Verse 28. Job says to his friends, he says, So for you say, Where is the house of a prince? And where are the dwelling places of the wicked? So now he's gonna summarize what his friends have been saying. Because they pointed to the supposed destruction of wicked men and their households. They were telling Job that listen, this is what happens to the wicked. They lose their households and they lose everything, everything falls apart. This is what happens to wicked men, and they're telling Job, this is what happened to you. And but the problem is assigning to Job the status of being wicked when Job was not being wicked. And so this is what his argument is with them, and then he and then also again, just to just to reiterate, that they were just speaking to Job based on what they saw, and they made these arguments that that when you are like you are, Job, when you're wicked and you're and you've prospered, then sudden destruction will fall upon you. Roberto, welcome, brother. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Uh good, thank you so much. I I just before you go too much ahead, I wanted to uh tell you something about 27 to to see what you guys think of it because it's very interesting. I don't know if you guys are uh reading on a specific translation, but mine says, and I don't mean to go back. I'm just uh this says, Behold, I know your thoughts and the plans by which you do violence against me. So is this uh violence against him that he's talking about the plans or the thoughts?

SPEAKER_04 11:19

He's talking about so so what he's what he's saying is is that so it's it's two things. It is the words that come from their thoughts and their imaginations, what they tell Job. The violence that he's speaking about is basically the equivalent of what we might call today a tongue lashing. In other words, they're beating him, beating Joe with their words. You see what I mean? So he he's saying, he's he's telling me that what he's saying to them, what you're doing, what you're saying to me is brutal. Because it's not true. It's wrong. And so what so what he's saying is, this is what you have in your mind about me, this is what you're saying with your with your words, it doesn't apply to me, and you're tearing me down, you're beating me down with what you say.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Right. So now, because he he equates the thoughts and the plans with doing, doing violence against him. So can this be extrapolated and not to change the topic, but uh there are some verses that tell us to obey the gospel, right? And then people who rely on their works, they say, see, you have to do works or whatever, right? Because they say the uh to obey the gospel. But is this doing like a consequence or or is this doing like the thoughts themselves? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 13:03

No, I'm I'm not sure. Are you are you are you insinuating that is or that there's a possibility that the violence is actually physical?

SPEAKER_00 13:11

No, no, no. Um I'm I'm uh what I'm saying is that Job attributes the violence that they're doing against him, which is the tongue lashing, right? That's violence against him. Right. But he attributes that doing to the thoughts and the plans that they that they're crafting themselves, right? All these words that they're saying. So it just sounds very familiar to what in other scriptures they say the uh to to obey the gospel and to to do the commandments of God, right? Right. And stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

I got it. No, I I I hear you, I got it now. So so here so here's so I think your line of thinking, your line of thinking and reasoning is correct. And I'll say it this way and I'll ask anybody else if they want to add to it. So so what you're saying, Roberto, is correct because they are telling Job that he's wicked. They're telling Job that he has that that the only reason that he could be in the situation that he's in with in terms of his suffering is because he has moved in opposition to that which is considered godly or in god or in lockstep with the Lord. You know, they're telling him that the reason Job, while you're suffering, is because you have not been consistent as you have made everyone else think. And they they called him earlier on a hypocrite. A hypocrite. But you're right. They're saying, they're saying that they're telling Job basically that you're not godly. And it wouldn't surprise me if they're like telling Job, like, you can't be, because in certain passages, it seems evident that they're saying you don't even know God, telling Job this. You know, and and they're and they're and what they're saying is that if you did, you would just admit, Job, just admit your confess your sin. But Job can't do that because if he did confess some sin, he would be lying, but so that's not something he's gonna do. But the reality is, you're I think you're absolutely correct. They are telling Job that he is not walking as a faithful man should. In fact, he's walking contrary to God's ways, and that's why he's in a situation that he's in, and his situation that he's in is evident of that fact. Does anybody else want to add to that?

SPEAKER_03 15:31

I will if you don't care. Sure. Reminds me of Stephen. Stephen, when the synagogue came up against him, and because of his wisdom and what he was standing for, they accused him of blasphemy, and then you know what I'm saying? So what happened to him? Just like they did with Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 15:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:50

You know, so again, Job is just another, for example, foreshadow of Jesus and what what he tells us that's gonna happen because we are of him. They hated him first. So anyone speaking in his name and standing for him, they're gonna hate us too.

SPEAKER_04 16:09

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

So be you know steadfast. He comforts and he protects us. So don't worry about what they can do to us, man.

Jesus Accused Without True Cause

SPEAKER_04 16:19

That's right. I mean, you gotta think about it. You gotta remember, you gotta remember our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Remember, he was accused of a crime. You know, sometimes we focus on what the cross did and rightly so, because the cross is everything to us, right? It's everything to the believer. But we but when you look at the mechanics of what led up what led up to the cross, Jesus was he was accused of a crime. Not only an ecclesiastical crime from the standpoint of the Jews, but a civil crime from the standpoint of Rome. To the ecclesiastical, they said he makes himself out to be God and therefore worthy of death. Ecclesiastical. Rome. He is guilty of wanting to orchestrate an insurrection. So that was the ground that the Jews persuaded the Rome Rome to crucify Christ under. Because under their law, they couldn't do it. So you have now you have the the the ecclesiastical side and the civil side coming to agreement with the Jews and Rome. Listen, the Jews and Rome for a moment in time became friends when it came to getting Christ out. And here's something else. Because this is happening today. The strongest superpower the earth has ever known is being wielded by the smallest group of people on earth. And Christians are celebrating. That's another conversation. That's another conversation. But we we we read the Bible because we we want to be able to be able, we want to be able to discern things that are taking place. What good is reading it if you're not able to learn from it so that you can discern when things are happening. Christ told the people of his day, he said, listen, you can tell when the when the when the when the summer's coming, or you can tell when the leaves fall off the tree that a different season is coming, all these things, but you can't tell the sign of the times. You can't tell the time the sign of the times. Brother Rodney, go ahead, brother. And good evening.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

I just had a question. I think it ties into what I think uh burger was saying probably. Yeah. But I I was kind of before you asked. I was like, so what when you were discussing the verse, it kind of made me think of like, what do we, what do we do when we believe in the divine justice of the Lord, but we don't see it on our timeline per se. I mean, not to take it on Joe, but I was gonna, if I can, everybody, sorry, pardon, bring it to my love life. Not really, but no. You know, I'm wondering, because you know, the man seeketh, find a good thing, that whole thing, right? But like a coworker told me, you know, we were talking, and she was like, well, maybe it's just not for you in this life. Like, well, what do you mean? And she's like, and like, you know, I see it. I want it, I'm willing to do everything necessary, you know, to make myself, you know, the person, the man that I'm supposed to be, or whatever, according to the word. But it's like, I didn't, I kind of that kind of sat with me, like, well, what if it's not in this life? And I was like, well, what does that mean? You know, am I not gonna be able to experience it? So that was my point of my question. Like, you know, whether you believe in the divine of justice of the Lord and everything. I know we're talking about Jove, and I went somewhere else, but it's kind of, I think it may be a good question to cover. I think.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Yeah, look you know what? Uh, I mean, I'll look at it this way. I mean, you know, to us, many things, many things, most things, um, seem to have a random feel about it. But but one of the things that is emblematic of a of a Christian mind that is elevating itself is when you start to delve into God's sovereignty, like Brother Eric spoke about earlier. See, when you when you when you understand that God is sovereign over all things, then you take whatever comes your way. Now, and why do I say that in response to what you're saying, Rodney? And that's that's because, you know, it is like we have things that we desire in our hearts, and if you desire to have a wife, that's a good thing to desire. Um, but we you nobody can tell you what's gonna happen. Now, it is most likely that you will probably end up getting what you what you seek after. But there's also a chance that it won't happen, and that could be for a number of reasons, right? It could be for it could be for a number of reasons. But what but what has to what but this is what the benefit is of relying upon God and seeking his face in all these things, because he will show you, and I tell you this much, he will bless you with the wife of your dreams, or he will bless you with comfort for in not having that. No one knows. You see, you see what I mean? So the reality is you're no matter what, if you're if your heart is Is in line with him, with God, with the Lord, He is going to give you what you need to carry you through if you have to do with or if you have to do without. Because believe me, if He gives you a wife, boy. I'm just kidding, ladies.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

I got you. I got you, brother. I got you. Okay. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

I hope that helps. But I think I think it's a good, I think it's a good, I think it's a good desire, and you should have it. But you know, it's just like, and I hate to sound morbid, but I mean, we we could be here today and go on tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 22:36

You know what I mean? I got you.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Um so we have to just be open to the Lord's will, seek his face in it, and and see what he does. And I think that uh, you know, I would be hard-pressed to believe that that's not something that you that you will lack. I believe that though before you know it, you'll be like, this happened so fast I didn't even see it. I didn't even realize it was coming. I forgot we talked about it.

SPEAKER_05 22:58

Yeah, because I gotta give him the glory. I don't know what's going on, and I guess I'm doing what I need to do, but he's working. I can tell you that. And I want to say, I'll ask how close I'll end with. I just gotta live in the moment. You know, I know you can't seek to the future because it'll create the anxiety, and then I can't worry about the past and anything because that'll bring the depression. So I just gotta stay right here and dwell in Christ.

SPEAKER_04 23:17

So I think in there, focus, focus on your relationship with him, brother, and tell you he'll seek him first, and everything else will be added. That's what the word of God tells us in Matthew 6.33. Seek him first and everything else will be added. Amen. Let him be let him be your treasure and then let the blessings flow after that. And they will. That I think that I'm sure the word of God, we can all agree that is exactly what happened. Um, Sister Savannah and then Mariah.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Well, I just had a question because I thought I thought when they were um like doing the whole trial for Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Like I thought that when they were like about to crucify Jesus and they were like doing the whole trial thing. Uh the what was his name? I forgot his name, but like basically the governor was like Pilate. I think so, but he was like, he was like, I will I f I don't find this man guilty. So then that's when he presented uh Barbaris, and they were like, no, still like crucify him and everything.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

Right, yeah. So so they so during the Passover, during the Passover, the the any any Jews that had been arrested during the past year, um, from the last Passover up until the current one, they had a custom that the Jews, uh that the Romans would allow the Jews to basically pardon one of their own. In other words, they would they would give, they would ask Jews, who would they like to have released from prison? You know, and and and and to be released from having to go undergo um the crucifixion. And so he thought that by by do by reminding them of that privilege that they that they granted him, that they granted the Jews, um, that they would naturally pick Jesus. They he he just assumed that that would be an easy choice for them, and that's what they would pick, because none of the Rome, Rome saw nothing. They saw no evidence worthy of condemnation for Christ. And basically, they facilitated his crucifixion for the sake of expediency so that they can keep the Jews from uprising. And it's and it's interesting when you think about it because uh everything about that trial was illegal by both the ecclesiastical Jews, you know, the religious Jews, and the Romans, you know, the Romans. Um, the the very fact that he was on trial at night and was brought to the praetorium at night was against Jewish Levitical law. So they had so many things, I mean, every aspect of his trial what they were breaking the law. But the one time where the Romans tried, first of all, they tried to exonerate him. Okay, and then he they tried to get the Jews to pardon uh Christ. They were convinced that they would go for that, and they didn't. They asked to have Barabbas freed, and Barabbas was uh was was uh a criminal and was going to be crucified for doing for actually doing the exact same thing that Christ was accused of doing, but did not do. And here's the other layer to that that is that is intricate into this whole scenario. The Jews they wanted Christ to be king and to rule and to cause an insurrection against Rome. That's what they wanted. That's what they believed then was their Messiah that was going to do. He was going to come and be an earthly king that was going to overthrow their oppressors. So now imagine, because he doesn't do that, they want to have him crucified under Roman law for a crime that they actually wanted him to commit. Does it make sense, Grace?

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

Finding Christ Throughout Scripture

SPEAKER_04 27:26

You see what I mean? It's like so it's is it's my body. And the Romans, they wanted him to go free. The Jews wanted him crucified, they wanted him crucified for sedition that he didn't do. They released a seditious person because he did commit a seditious act, but the Jews were upset with Christ because he wouldn't do that. And so now you still have people pretending that there's another Messiah coming and that when he comes, he will do what they expected Christ to do. But anybody waiting for another Messiah is going to be sadly mistaken because here's the thing you're gonna get their wish. The Messiah is coming back, but he's not coming back in a messianic way. He's coming back as king to destroy all those who oppose him, all those who sinned against God, all those who rejected salvation. He's he's coming and he's bringing his wrath to those who oppose him. So good question, um, Savannah, really good question. Sister Mariah.

SPEAKER_06 28:46

I just wanted to add my two cents. I think that it's um, you know, they accuse Jesus of um doing sinful things, and in the same way that um his friends are accusing him, Job, of uh doing sinful things, and both of them are innocent of whatever it is that they're accusing them of. But I mean, at least the the Pharisees gave a reason why they were accusing Jesus, right? They gave him that much, but they're his friends are reluctant on not even mentioning why it's like you know, they I don't know what it is that makes them feel like if they he just say it himself, like we encourage him to do the right thing or something. I don't know, but it it's crazy. Just in this one book, is just oh yeah, wild. It's mind-blowing to me.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Yep. No, it's good because I uh it's good that you that you're seeing that because uh that's something I try to do throughout the scriptures, and I'm sure many of you do. But when you when you when you can find Christ in the scripture, it just makes the it just makes the Bible open up in such a big way. It makes it more vast and more deep than you ever thought. So when you look when you're looking for Christ, when you're looking for God's sovereignty and all these things, um it really bolsters your faith and it and it and it gives you the assurance that we often so des are so desirous to have and to want to make use of. So always cling to cling to that sort of search, keep searching for those things throughout the scripture. And and uh as God is is is is as long as God is willing to help me bring it out, I'm gonna continue to do it. But I also want to encourage all of you to encourage other people to do the same thing, as well as yourself. So good observation, sister. Appreciate that. Brother Jeffrey and then Candy.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

Jonathan, we were talking a moment ago about Christ's second coming. And Jonathan, I think a lot of times people uh forget or even just don't realize that when he comes back again, he's not coming back as the suffering servant. Right. He's coming back as the king of kings, the king of the universe. The time of him being the suffering servant who willfully, humbly gave his life on the cross as a ransom for you and me, that time and that phase of his being is over. Right. It's over. I mean, his grace is available to us if if when we ask it, but when he comes back physically, that time is over. People will see him for who and what he really is, was, and is. And it's gonna be a totally, the world's gonna be totally, completely not uh prepared for what they're gonna see when he steps back on this earth again.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Amen. Man, that's gonna be a glorious day. Like, like uh Brother Davy uh Cooper and Joseph said, he came as a lamb first, coming back as a lion, the lion of the tribe of Judah. Amen, brothers. I mean, that's that's what he's coming back. He's not it's not gonna be a joke when he comes back. There'll be nothing to mock, to ridicule, to scorn, there'll be nothing to question. Everyone will know. Everyone will know it's him. It's gonna be a glorious day for us. A glorious day resurrection morning is gonna be. But man, for the wicked, it is going to be a terrible, terrible, dreadful day. Terrible day. And you and you know what? And all we can do as believers is thank God. Thank God thank the Lord that he made us to see the truth about himself and to make us to see the truth about ourselves, to shine that penetrate that penetrating light into the very souls, our very souls, and making us to see what we really are. These vile sinners that need to purge that that need to purge this sin and this mentality and this and this desire and that you know that we have that go contrary to God. We're gonna spend the rest of our lives dying to the flesh. And so when he comes back, it will all be gone. The dross of wickedness will be uh will be uh purged from us. All the sinful chaff will be all blown away by his coming. We're gonna be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, and we're gonna be raised from the dead and transformed, and brought to be with him, where we will be with him forevermore, and dwelling in a mansion inside the great king's house. Every one of us.

SPEAKER_07 34:09

And we're gonna be like little glorified sheep following him everywhere in heaven.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

Everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 34:14

Because I know I am, everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 34:18

Brother Rodney, go ahead. I'm sorry, brother Rodney. Let me get back to you. Let me get to it.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

No problem.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Okay. Candy, and then you next. Uh Candy, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 34:27

You know, I brought up Stephen, and I guess the part of Stephen that made me think about it was where they went against him, you know, and started, and they like pitted against him, kind of like Job's friends are him. But then for some reason, it came to my mind about it's when Saul, the sorcerer, when they were being saved, and he seen the apostles lay the hands and they received the Holy Spirit, right? Right. So he tries to buy it. So it made me think about what Job's friends are basically doing, and it's about the prosperity, right?

SPEAKER_04 35:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Like they keep trying to eat him, but the point of it is, is he can't buy what they're what they're trying to tell him, you know what I'm saying? He's doing wrong. So it still goes back to that false representation of not understanding, and it just makes me think of them not having the Holy Spirit, even though they were supposed to be Christian.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

But again, there's there's there's I have my thoughts and stuff on that too, based off of scripture about just because someone says, Um, Lord, I believe in what you came and did and saved me from my sins, that you received the Holy Spirit, which scripture tells me otherwise, but just because you say it don't mean you get it. God knows the heart, he knows who to keep it, to when they deserve it, have it, and if they're truly genuine.

SPEAKER_04 35:51

Right.

unknown 35:51

Right.

SPEAKER_04 35:52

Yeah, sister. Brother Rodney.

SPEAKER_05 35:55

Yeah, so I'm just want to make sure I'm grasping this. So, and I'm thinking of if we can maybe write, I just have a question. So if the if the way they prosper, not because they're favored, but is like judgment being stored because if you said he's coming back as with his wrath, you know, is is it essentially being like they're not prospering? It's like a delay in a sense, not really like it's a reward, technically. So, like you said, you're coming back, everyone who denies salvation, is he essentially, you know, is that's am I somewhere close?

SPEAKER_04 36:27

Well, I think uh you mean like like you're talking about for the wicked.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

Yeah, for the wicked, I'm saying, yeah, like the wicked prosper, but they don't, they're not really prospering, they're being delayed and they're thinking they're winning and they're looking like they're favorite, but really Well, there's there's there's there's there's there's two things I think, and and and if somebody disagrees with me, I probably wouldn't fight it too much, but there's there's two things.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

Um, Eric, I'd like to see what you think about this when I answer. Um I think that two things are happening that that happened to the wicked, and and that as or that is happening. They are either um rejecting God's patience or without knowing it, they're being