LIVE: "God, Depart From Us!" (Job 22:10-24), Part 5/5

God’s silence can feel like the worst kind of answer. When you’re doing your best to be faithful and the storm keeps pounding, it’s easy to start demanding explanations, or to assume you’ve failed, or to let other people’s “Bible certainty” crush you. We sit with Job at that exact edge and ask what God may be doing when He doesn’t explain Himself.

We talk about why God’s love is not transactional, why grace can’t be bought with good behavior, and why some believers will never see the kind of comfort or “success” that people wrongly treat as proof of favor. We also unpack a hard truth from the Book of Job: Job’s friends say things that are theologically true, yet they weaponize truth through bad application. That leads us into practical biblical hermeneutics, how to read Scripture in context, and why the Bible must be understood as a cohesive whole rather than a stack of disconnected quotes.

Along the way we lean on Psalms 139 and Psalm 37, connect Job’s suffering to Hebrews 11, and let John 13:16 humble us with the reminder that a servant is not greater than his master. We end in prayer for the sick, for the hurting, and for strength to keep trusting God’s sovereignty when life makes no sense.

If you’ve ever wrestled with suffering, spiritual doubt, or religious voices that oversimplify pain, listen through to the end. Subscribe, share this with someone in a storm, and leave a review with the biggest question this conversation stirred up for you.

Transcript

Setting Up Tomorrow’s Passage

SPEAKER_10 0:00

So I'm going to stop there and I'm actually going to start in verses 24 and 25 again tomorrow. Go briefly through those to set the stage for the remaining verses because they're still kind of connected. Um, so I don't want to break up that that grouping. So we'll pick up here tomorrow, Lord willing. And uh with that being said, I'll let everybody uh get their last words in and uh and we'll close it out. And uh, brother Pat, if you if you're gonna be around, I'd like you to close out in prayer if you if you don't mind, brother. If you're okay with that.

SPEAKER_07 0:32

I'll try, bro.

God Knows Us Completely

SPEAKER_10 0:33

All right. If you can't, if you can't, we'll pass it on. We'll can't you just so just let me know by the time we get there. Uh Sister Vanessa, last word for tonight.

SPEAKER_05 0:45

I just wanna I want to read Psalms 139, one through four. Because I think it kind of goes with this.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 0:53

And it says, Oh Lord, you have searched me and known me. You know my sitting down and my rising up. You understand my thoughts afar off, you comprehend my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word on my tongue, but behold, O Lord, you know it all together.

SPEAKER_10 1:21

Amen. And and sister, that I gotta tell you, that's a good verse, and I think that that is probably a good, that would have been a good admonition to Job, actually. Which is probably why you brought that up. But it is good. Yeah, it's it's good. It's an excellent one because that's that would have been a good admonition to Job. To just simply go like, I know that he knows, and and and and this idea of like, has he is he around? Is he, you know, why is he is he ignoring me? Is he pushing me out? Is he is he, you know, what's he doing? And so I think that's a good verse to bring up. Um, Sister Mariah, last word.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Great study. I loved it. Um, you know, let's just be mindful. God's love cannot be bought, God is not transactional. Um whatever he does, he does because he wants to, when he wants to do it, and how he wants to do it. Um, there is nothing in us that could merit good favor. Um, as he's saying here, like if you do this, if you repent and do all these things and remember the law of God in your heart, then God will give you these things. And that's not true because some people will never have the riches and you know, never have the means. Um, and so let's just keep that in mind that God cannot be bought by anything that it is that we do, it is his grace alone and his mercy.

SPEAKER_10 2:57

Amen, sister. Amen. Sister Candy, last word.

SPEAKER_06 3:04

Got a couple of things on that silence one. It's in what 2 Peter verse 15, 16. It's basically saying that the silence that God, when God's silent, it's because he's kind of hoping that the foolishness of the world, you know what I'm saying, will will, and then it verse 16. I like what it says because it kind of reflects on what you were talking about. He says, I'll just maybe read 15. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men, act as free men, and do not use your freedom as the covering for evil, but use it as a bond slave of God. Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, and honor the king. So I kind of see that with Job. That's I see that as God wanting to see that before he intervenes because it's like that a judgment before he actually says something. Because I I don't remember if it's in Job, but doesn't it somewhere? Yeah, I think it's in Job where he says, you know, basically, you know not what I do now, but it might be in Matthew, you know not what I do now, but afterwards you will. That's why I couldn't say anything, otherwise you wouldn't have got what you got out of it had I told you. So, but um I was gonna close out with uh 37 in Psalms, and it says, um in verse 7 it says, Rest in the Lord and wait patiently for him. So that's who that's what Job's doing. And then fret not because the he of him who prospers in his way, the man that carries out wicked schemes, cease from anger and forsake the wrath, because we all know that all of us would want to do that against these three friends. But do not fret, it only leads to evildoing, exactly. For evildoers will be cut off, but those who wait for the Lord, they will inherit the land. Yet a little while, and the wicked man will be no more. Which is I see that a lot of what they're saying to Job in this, too. It's like, I don't know, that's why it kind of came to me, and that's where I ended up. But he says, Um, and you look carefully for his place, and it will not be there. But the humble will inherit the land and will delight themselves abundant prosperity. Of course, we know that they're plotting against Job, who's righteous, and gnashing their teeth at him with their scoffing. And then the Lord laughs at him, for he sees his day coming. The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow to cast down the afflicted and the needy. Ooh, lost it. But they slay those that are upright in conduct. The sword will enter their own heart, and their bows will be broken. Because better is a little righteousness than the abundance of many wicked. For the arms of the wicked will be broken, but the Lord sustains the righteous. And the Nord Lord knows the days of the blameless, and they will their inheritance will be forever. So everything they're saying to Job, I think, is right there in that passage.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Right.

SPEAKER_06 6:18

It's beautiful because he it for those of us that experience the opposite of the righteous, which is what I was just reading. Remember these things and don't react to the ways of the world because that's what they want us to do. They want us to sin, they want us to lose our way.

unknown 6:41

Right.

SPEAKER_06 6:41

That's all get out. So just wait on the Lord, trust on the Lord, man, be patient.

SPEAKER_10 6:49

All right, good winner. Two witnesses, last word for tonight.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

Yeah, you know what? Uh now thinking uh about uh the sufferings of Job, it makes my joy complete. Because uh let me just read this is Hebrews 11, 39 and 40. It says, and all these having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, because God had provided provided something better for us, so that apart from us, they will not be made perfect. So uh this talking about all the people who suffer and per were persecuted, mocking, floggings, and like all kinds of stuff. So Job has no idea that what he suffered is for us, you know, and that that makes me joyful.

SPEAKER_09 7:47

Amen, brother. I like that. I like that a lot. Brother Rodney, bring us something, brother.

Judging People In The Storm

SPEAKER_11 7:53

All right. So I'm gonna pull from last night because I'm just getting home, but I just got some things I'm gonna sit here and listen to everybody come up with. Um so it just seems to me that, you know, like I said, from everything we're saying, Job just didn't, his understanding of the Lord was just incomplete. It wasn't wrong. Right. It was incomplete, right? So uh I guess I'm like, what if, you know, what if the real issue wasn't that Job, he wasn't lost, but he just believed, he he just, but what he believed about, he he was he believed more in how he thought God was supposed to operate, right? And that was like throwing him off, you know. So with that being said, it seems that Job just wanted more answers than like he wanted revelation. And that's why I said earlier, you know, God wasn't trying to fix his suffering problem. Clearly, we can see that. That's evident, right? You know, but he was just trying to expand, I guess, his his capacity of thinking to just understand who he was better fully, right? So um it, you know, he didn't come to explain this, he didn't come to explain the storm.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Right.

SPEAKER_11 9:06

God didn't. You know, he came to show Job who controls things, right? Well who who controls the storms. And so I say just be careful, you know. I guess I'm gonna take this for myself. I'd be careful, you know, judging people sometimes uh in the storm because you may just got a front row seat just by luck. You know what I mean? You may not have been invited, but you know, be the and I think someone said about my sister, he's sovereign. It's not he's sovereign. Sovereign. He is sovereign. So even me saying what I just said, Ellie Foss and Bill Dad and all of them, you guys got a front row seat. And you know, I'm gonna let you see what you guys will never ever get to experience.

SPEAKER_10 9:50

So really what you made me, what you made me think in in the first part of your comment was that there's a possibility that Job had been brought up with the Lord in a way where if you you if you equated his experience to carnal life, Job was spiritually sort of spoiled a little bit. You know, he because everything was going right for Job, like everything. There was nothing going wrong for Job. And so it's oddly enough, I think there's an argument that could be that could be said that what Job experiences with God later and and through this whole process was a type of a spiritual waning, you know, um growing up, like like like his like his um uh like his like his coming out, you know, in the sense of not that kind of coming out, you know what I mean. But you know, him elevating and and going into the next stage of his of his service to the Lord. And so um, and so what you said earlier made me think what you said in the beginning of your comment made me think of that this could be kind of construed as sort of like a waning process where God is taking Job from this one level of his service to another level, and this was and this was all preparing him for his promotion. And so uh, yeah, I can't even say adulthood, you know, and even though I'm talking about in spiritual years, you know, and so I think that this was that's just this is a part of it, but that's a good assessment.

SPEAKER_11 11:25

I'll say one last thing record. I just like like to the spoil part. If Job's is like, if I'm righteous, you know, my life should make sense, but it's clearly not making sense to him, you know. So yeah. He's like, God, explain, explain yourself to me, please, you know, can you? And that's just where we yeah.

SPEAKER_10 11:43

I can't. He's at this point in the spiritual life where he's having like like almost a sense of almost like a puberty stage, but in a spiritual sense. And he's he's he's he's coming out of that, out of that area. Now he's growing up you know into another level. Brother Pat, last word.

SPEAKER_07 12:01

Well, I just want to remind everyone that this entire uh story of Job was orchestrated by God for his good purpose. Remember the beginning of the story, don't forget that. Have you considered my servant Job? God has a good purpose in everything that God is doing here. And I just want to express this to everyone who's listening. Religion will come for you. And they'll come to you with their, I don't know, their degrees from Dallas Theological Seminary, Liberty University, Moody Bible Institute, Biola, Biola University, Concord University, you name it. And and they will say to you, and they will say to you, the God I serve will is will never be like that. Right. If you believe that God would put Job through that, your God is a monster. Religion will come for you, and it will try to tell you these things.

SPEAKER_09 12:58

Tell it, brother.

SPEAKER_07 13:00

But this is the God of the Bible, and what they can't see in their carnal flesh is that God has a good purpose in every single thing, even though Job doesn't understand it, and that goes for you, and that goes. I just realized I'm preaching to myself right now, Jonathan. Oh, that goes for me, brother. That's what I was preaching. I didn't even realize what I was doing, bro, because I'm I'm going through it right now, and I I needed to hear that. I can't believe that.

SPEAKER_10 13:30

I was thinking the same thing to you. Me too. I was thinking the same thing. And brother, look, I'm gonna tell you something. What I asked you to do, we need. We need you. You know what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. Sister Meg, go ahead. Last word.

SPEAKER_08 13:50

Well, me and Pat are vibing tonight a little bit. Um, I want to piggyback off what he said because I already had mine prepared before you did, Pat. So um, one of my favorite verses in scripture, um, and it's talked about several times, John chapter 13, verse 16. It says, Truly, truly, I say unto you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. And so in this story, when you're talking about Job graduating and going to his next state of his of his faith, he's going to truly understand this verse that I am God, and you are the servant, and you will never be greater than me. And and I think that's very humbling for all of us to know that, and this was the Lord Jesus Christ saying this at this time, and when the Lord spoke and said that, who are we and our finite minds to ever exalt ourselves in any way, shape, or form above the Lord Jesus Christ in his suffering? And that if if if we, if if our Lord and Savior suffered, you better believe it's gonna happen to us. And who are we to shake our fist at God and say, I am better than the Lord Jesus Christ because I don't deserve this suffering? That is a no-go. What do we do? We trust the Lord, we lean not on our own understanding, but in all our ways we acknowledge him and he will direct our path. That's what we do. That's the only choice that we have, and it's going to glorify the Lord God and it's going to set our feet on solid ground at the end. And that's the final word.

SPEAKER_10 15:45

Amen, sister. And let me add one thing to that, one quick thing to that. Don't think that because you didn't say those words, that Meg is saying that you shouldn't say to God. Just because you don't say those words don't mean you're not saying it. We can say those words to God by our actions. We're not greater than God. He Christ had to endure what he had to do, and this Bible tells us that his face was set like a flint to go to that cross. That's his whole purpose in coming here was to go to that cross and die for you and me. Nobody was gonna stop him. No one was stopping that. And he fought through all the anguish of soul and mind in order to get there. He fought all of that, and he plowed right through it so that we can live. So whatever trials that we think we have, whatever whatever pressures that we think we are under, we cannot lose sight of who we serve and what we are to do in service to him. Know what God has called you to do and do it. Because everything that is happening to you, including your trial, your trials especially, they were made to take you to where you need to go. Amen. You need those trials. You heard that, Pat? You need it. I'm gonna get on your trial, Pat. Every every saint, every saint of God that we read about in the Bible, we don't know them, we know them because of the trials they overcame. And it wasn't the trials that defined them, it was the overcoming of the trial that defined them. But you need those trials, you need those persecutions, you need those afflictions, those afflictions. If Christ had to do it, you need to do it. That's what you need to grow. And that's why I get sick and tired of all these Christians running around saying, Oh, we're gonna be raptured before the trouble comes. I don't want to be raptured before the trouble comes. I want to be where I need to be to grow and to appreciate my Lord and Savior. I want to if you if you want to be, if you want to be like Christ, then suffer like him. Amen. Conform me into your image, Lord. We need to go.

SPEAKER_06 18:22

I started to say, I started to say, I don't want to not go through him because I don't want to not be who he wants me to be in him for him by going through him.

SPEAKER_10 18:31

No Christian, no Christian ever on this planet should ever be worried or fear going through hardship. We don't need to fear persecution, we don't need to fear any. I don't care how egregious it gets, if you get stoned like Stephen. We're gonna look up and see the heavens open. You're gonna look and you're gonna see something that that that nobody else can see. And it's gonna be the glory of the Lord waiting with you with his arms wide open, saying, Well done, thou good and faithful servant.

SPEAKER_08 19:08

And you know what, you know what pre-tribers call us, Jonathan? Super saints. Oh, y'all are trying to be super saints. That's what y'all are trying to do. I'm not trying to go through that. That's annoying.

When Scripture Is True But Misused

SPEAKER_10 19:17

I'm not getting on my knees and bowing down in prayer, asking God, uh, hello? You got any suffering I can do for you right now? That's not what we do. But we take what the Lord has carved out for us, and we smart under the rod of God, and we grow from it, just like Job, just like David, just like John the Baptist, just like Stephen, just like Deborah and Barack, just like all the saints, Abraham, Moses, they all did it. This is what they're known for: overcoming affliction and tribulation, not escaping it, not running from it, not bragging to the world, I'm not gonna be here. That is not what we are supposed to be about. Uh, Sister Lisa, last word.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

Wow. Well, what can I do? I can't say anything to top all of that. That is um but while um the thing about this book, it it's um it's it's so beautiful. Um, I was just thinking that it's sort of inner an interaction, a lesson on an the interaction between the wheat and the tares.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

You see, you have everyone claiming the name Christ or God, sorry, in this in this sense. Um, but it makes me think of what we go through today. I mean, you've got people throwing scriptures out left and right, out of context. You have people like just what you guys were talking about, pre-trib rapture, we're not gonna be here, and they will stand on that to the death. And I truly believe that Job is a lesson on, and of course, our Lord Jesus. You know, when when we're getting accused, and you know, sometimes it's just best to be quiet. I think Meg said it earlier. The thing that Mariah said, I I thought the exact same thing, that it's crazy how Eliphaz and his friends, they don't, they're throwing these things out to Job about what happens to those who aren't righteous. And yet they don't, doesn't even cross their minds that wow, what if it's me? What if I'm wrong? Right, what if I'm wrong? And um, I think it's a great lesson that you know, you have people that in fact the ones that shout the loudest, you know, they're they're usually. The least powerful. You know, that voice we hear, everyone calls it the still small voice. Our Lord doesn't need to shout. The ones that are shouting up from the rooftops are usually shouting the wrong things. So that's all I got to say.

SPEAKER_10 22:21

You know what, sister, you brought up something that that's worthy of commenting on. And that was that how people always have these verses to quote, right? And they think that quoting a verse validates whatever argument they're trying to make by quoting that verse when that may not be the case at all. And here's what I'm saying. When you look at, and this, and this is also dovetailing on what two witnesses were saying, which is that these guys, like like two witnesses saying, if you listen to what Joe's friends were saying, it all sounds true. And the reason why is because it these the what they're saying is all true. It's all true. But the context that they missed was not the context within the truth itself, the context was in how they applied it outside of uh of what they had learned. So what I'm saying is everything they told Job was true theologically. But because they misapplied it to him, the truth, the value of it is gone. So you can quote a verse, you can say that Matthew 24 says the words great tribulation, because that's what the word of God says. But it never says any, well, one word about a seven-year carved-out tribulation period that's gonna happen and all this other kind of stuff. All this stuff. This is my point. Just because you quote a verse doesn't mean you have any idea of how it ought to be applied. But it is not until you start having a when you start seeing the Bible as a cohesive unit. Just like we see the Trinity, our triune God. He is a cohesive unit. That's what God is. So the truth is the same way. It's a one-woven cohesive unit. And so you cannot have one part of it go this way and then have the same thing somewhere else say something different. It has to, it has to make sense together through, you know, throughout the whole word of God. And that's what it's important. It's important. And we call that, you know, you know, hermeneutics. But minus the big words, what it's saying is that, what it says is that whatever you say, whatever you read here, can't contradict what something else can't contradicted somewhere else in the Bible. The Bible has to be c has to be cohesive. So if you read something that says, oh yeah, that's what it means, but then you read something else and says, Oh, that's contrary to this, most people's conclusion is that, oh, well, there's a contradiction. Bible's not true. There's a contradiction. No, that's not the problem. The problem is your mind is a contradiction. You don't get it. And so, and you have to figure out how to bring it together. That's all. Brother Pat, let me tell you something. I think that I got so excited by what you were saying that I didn't let you finish your last word. So if you'd like to finish your last word, I'd like to give you that chance. And uh, and if you're really not up not up to closing us out, I understand. But I want but I want you to nope. I want Pat to decide that. Pat? I'll do it.

Prayer Requests And Closing Prayer

SPEAKER_07 25:46

All right. I'll do it. All right, brother. Um, are there any uh are there any before before we join in prayer, are there any special requests? Um I didn't see any requests.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

Um Kelly, Kelly um blazing rose is in the chat and she's been really sick. She's got fever and stuff, so maybe we could say a prayer for you and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 26:06

Okay, let's join in prayer. Our Heavenly Father, we thank you. We thank you for everything that you've done us, done for us, Lord. Every good gift that you've given us, Lord. We're so unworthy, and yet you make us worthy in your son, Lord. We thank you for your many undeserved blessings that you've given us, Lord, in your Son. Thank you for sending this light into the world, Lord, our only source of hope, God. I pray that you cause us to cling to Christ, Lord. Fill our hearts, Lord, with a love for you, Lord. Let us honor you with our lives, God. I pray that you raise up a generation of young men and women who fear you, God, who love you, who will declare your truth, Lord, and who will bring all your people unto you, Lord. Lord, I pray that you meet our needs. We pray for Sister Kelly, Lord, with she's going through sickness, Lord. I pray for all the brothers and sisters, Lord, who are suffering in this world, Lord. We need you so badly sustain us all, Lord. Lord, I want to thank you for all the prayers you've answered. Thank you for what you did for Sister Lisa's family, God. And thank you, God, what you're doing in the lives of each and every one of these people, Lord. I want to pray for these people who are here with us, Lord. Protect them, fill them with your truth, Lord. Cause them to become strong in the faith, Lord. We pray this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

Let me add one more thing.

SPEAKER_10 28:00

Let me add one more thing to that. Father God, our brother Pat is praying for us. He's asking you to help others and to be a blessing to all of us. And Lord, when he prays, you have no idea. We have no idea. The depth of anguish and sorrow of soul that my brother is going through himself. So let me appeal to you on the behalf of us all that you bring comfort to this brother, that you bless his soul, that you're not his let his burden that he carries now take him down. We ask that you encourage his heart and soul so that he can continue to meet with us and be a part of this family, that he himself is help helping to build his strength as to our survival, his strength as to our certainty, as we continue to purvey your truths and to help others be able to communicate them. May you bless him, may you be watchful over his heart, over his soul, may you keep him faithful, may you keep him with us. Preserve my brother, and not let his trial that he's going through become a distraction from what you need him to do for you and for all of us. We thank you, Lord God, for hearing us. We ask that you forgive us for our sin, of our shortcomings, forgive us for all those things that cause us distraction. And may you bless us all and keep us together as a family. There's no possible way that we can't be a target for all the evil out there that would hate to see your truths being put out there the way we're trying to do it. May you bless us, may you watch over us, may you guard our hearts and keep us faithful to you always. In Christ's name. Amen.

SPEAKER_08 30:07

Amen. Powerful. Oh man, great prayers. Oh man.

Final Blessing And Goodbye

SPEAKER_10 30:15

Mariah, is the choir ready? Or are they asleep?

SPEAKER_01 30:21

They're always ready and willing, guys. It's time.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

We love you.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

They said they love you.