"God Performs the Thing That is Appointed for Me" (Job 23:8-17), Part 2/4

What actually dies when you’re born again? That question drives a deep, Scripture-heavy conversation on regeneration, human nature, and why the Christian life can feel like both freedom and warfare at the same time. We challenge the instinct to define spirituality by a checklist and instead ask what God changes at the level of the heart, the will, and our deepest desires. 

We also take on the common claim that love requires “free will,” arguing that God Himself is the standard for love and the Trinity doesn’t operate with suspicion or betrayal. From there, we explore the idea of a single governing nature and why only Christ has the unique hypostatic union, then connect those doctrines to everyday struggles believers have with shame, guilt, and persistent sin. Key passages and themes include Romans 6, Galatians 5, mortification of sin, and the difference between justification and sanctification. 

Job becomes a case study in integrity under pressure, showing how real faith holds to God’s word even when emotions run hot. That sets up one of the most practical parts of the conversation: how to think about music, movies, holidays, and “convictions” without sliding into legalism or letting someone else’s conscience rule your life. We keep coming back to a freeing reality: if you are justified by Christ, you are not condemned, even while God continues the slow work of making you holy. 

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Transcript

New Creation And New Desires

SPEAKER_07 0:00

New creation, right? Like you said previously, we were made out of nothing again into something. In the previous nature that we had could not choose the things of God. It was in complete opposition to Him. But now once we're born again and we're made a new creation, now we're in a space where we can um align with the things of God, whereas at previously we couldn't.

SPEAKER_05 0:22

That's right. Amen, sister. Excellent reasoning. Excellent reasoning. Lisa, you want to add anything?

SPEAKER_02 0:30

No, I think that's beautiful. I'm I I agree 100% with everything that Meg just said and everybody before. So um I love how I love how Pat gets his point across. So oh, he's putting up his hand again.

Free Will Tested Against The Trinity

SPEAKER_01 0:43

He's good like that. Brother Pat and Uliah. Just want to say one more thing about this because people will obviously, the most important thing to men's religions is free will. But I just want to point out that the standard is not fallen man, the standard is God. And so if you want to know the correct way to be and what a correct nature looks like and a true loving nature, you look at the Trinity. Let me ask you this, Jonathan. Are the persons of the Trinity constantly contemplating betraying each other? Is that what is going on in the Trinity? No, no, right. And that is the standard for what is right. So when people tell you, oh well, you know, free will is a requirement for for for love, right? Right. We know that's a lie because that's not the way God is. And God is love, He is the standard for love. True biblical love is perfectly righteous, perfectly holy.

One Nature And One Will

Job’s Integrity And Imputed Righteousness

Sinless Perfection And Dead To Sin

SPEAKER_04 1:50

Well, you guys on a roll tonight, man. That's exactly right, brother. Let me let me tell you something about somebody who believes they have a free will. A free will suggest, I'm not saying it's a fact in every case, but free will six free will suggests a person who has not been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. That's what it suggests. Because that is the the ability to exhibit um uh or to function without any bias and and and indifference, which is what free will is, means that I put the righteousness of God on equal footing with my own righteousness, whatever that may be, or my own will. See, this can't be. And so we are only, we, we at any one time can only have, are only, we are only made with the singleness of nature. We do not have and possess a plurality of nature. Remember when we talked about the hypostatic union? Only Christ had a dual nature. He's the only one. 100% God, 100% man. We are not like that. So at any given moment, we are either, we either have a sinful nature or we have a godly nature. It is one or the other. And there's one will and there's one mind that goes with that nature. So when a sinful, when a sinner who only has a mind for sin and only has a capability and the ability to sin and to make only sinful choices in spite of what other righteous choices may be there, the sinner is only able, because of his depraved capacity, to choose that which is sinful. Because that's his nature. So the old nature has to die, has to be removed, and then the soul has to be given a new heart with a new a new nature and will that goes along with that. So that that Christian servant, that servant of the Lord, now desires only those things which do please him. He do it does plead with him. Brother Two Witnesses, he says, I might disagree with that. I don't care. You'd be wrong for disagreeing with that because it's right. It's 100% true, brother. I love you, but that's true. And so we need to operate and function with a singleness of heart as Christians to only seek those things will please God. The old man we know is dying, but we desire what is right. That's what Paul meant when he says, What I desire to do, that I do not do, and what I don't do, I desire to do. And then he thanks God for the grace that he has given him to enable him to remain accepted in him. And so it is the new nature that has holy inclinations. The old nature has is wholly a corrupt nature, and so it takes a change that only God Himself can do, that enables us to do what is pleasing to him, and that is the ultimate goal that we have to be pleasing and accepted in the beloved by God. Job's testimony here in verses 11 and 12, he shows or he gives an account for his own conduct before God. And Job is expressing that he that he has a careful and a steady adherence to the ways of God, and he's done so without turning aside. He talks about him being himself being consistent in his faithfulness, and that it and that his faithfulness is not just something that is occasional, but he understands something about imputed righteousness. He may not use the words imputed righteousness, he may not use that theological expression the way we use it today, but he knows that what he has comes from God, and so God is the one that sustains what he put in Job to be obedient to in an acceptable, acceptable way to God. And Job points out that it is God's word that he values more above his daily food, showing that he is that he has a deep, exceptional, extraordinary reverence and a love for the instruction of his God. And so this is where Job is at. He's not speaking of one who's double-minded. We are told that a double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways. So Job, this what he understands is strengthening and adding to the integrity that we know him to already possess. And now that integrity is being tried at a heightened level, with a greater degree of intensity and severity by the devil, as we know, um, has been allowed to have his way with Job. Job is not claiming perfection. No Christian is claiming perfection. But this is all evidence against the charges of hypocrisy that his friends had been leveling against him since the opening chapters of this book. Sister May, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 7:59

So my question would be um, when it comes to the new nature that we do have, right, in Christ Jesus, where where is where is it that sinless perfectionist people take it too far, stating, oh, well, that means that we can't sin anymore. So is there there is still sin in us because we are not glorified yet, correct? That's correct. Okay. So in that, where is it that they go to too far to where they're like, oh, it's we're we're sinless. We we have the ability to live a sinless life through Christ Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 8:44

The thing, the thing that makes us, the things that makes us know uh two witnesses, it's not two natures. It's not two natures. And so here's here's the thing. That the old man, and oh look at it this way. What we have, what we have is this body of death that we that we still live in. And so when we talk about when we talk about sin, we're talking about something that has died. The old man in us is dying. It it is dying. It does not have the ability to overwhelm us or to overtake us again. So, and when when God looks at, when God looks at us, and this is where the people that say they don't sin anymore, this is what they don't understand. The sinning no more, like John talks about, has nothing to do with the fact that we don't still sin, but the issue has more to do with how we're perceived before God. Are we perceived by God in any capacity as a sinner?

SPEAKER_07 9:57

We have been justified and his righteousness we have taken on because of his finished work on the cross. It was all sin that he died for.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

And this is what I'm talking about. So the the the the there's an aspect of us. Now keep in mind, I'm not saying we don't sin, that's not what I'm saying. But what there's a difference between um sin that we do and that we love to do and desire to do versus the um the Christian heart, the new Christian nature, which desires to suppress all wickedness and all sin. But but the sin that we have, that we that we still do often, is residue, so to speak. It lingers within us, but we despise it. So we are dragging around a dead corpse. This is what we are doing. We are dragging around a dead corpse, a a corpse that is dying. That is dying. And listen, to be honest with you, uh if if somebody wanted to argue that if somebody wanted to argue that you have two natures, to me, it's not even really worth the argument. The issue is which nature, if you have two, dominates you.

SPEAKER_07 11:18

The nature of the spirit, absolutely.

Justification Versus Sanctification In Real Life

SPEAKER_04 11:21

It has to. And and the reality is, does this now and see, let me, because my brother two witness, he keeps saying, he keeps throwing out this thing up two natures, two natures. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit will sort of cohabitate inside a man who or a woman with right along with with sin, a sin nature, and sort of have have sort of like this tussling that is going on inside the human, you know, the human person, you know, the human being. And I'm not sure that that is what is happening. I'm not sure that the Holy Spirit can be in us. Now, I do believe this, that the Holy Spirit is in us to carry us through all these things that we do wrestle against, that we do wrestle against. But like I said, I wouldn't, to be honest with you, Meg, I wouldn't argue with somebody arguing about a two about a about a dual nature. I don't see that. I'm open to see some different perspective on that.

SPEAKER_07 12:29

So would you be, would you, would it be fair to say that we have been justified, right? So I think sometimes, like I see when I hear people speak, is the mixing of justification and sanctification together. But justification is something that is legally declared by the Lord Jesus Christ that we have been through the propitiation um on the cross, we are now, we have been justified. Therefore, that legal declaration is saying that when we are seen, we are seen through the eyes of Christ. So could it be fair to say that in the spirit we we are perfect, but we are still attached to this flesh that is just a dirty, rotten meat sack?

SPEAKER_04 13:21

Absolutely. I mean, it it's what it is. I mean, we we have to ask ourselves when we were born, when we are born again, and the scripture talks about us being dead and sin and trespasses, did God revive sin in us? No, or did we die to sin?

SPEAKER_07 13:45

We died to it.

SPEAKER_04 13:46

So what died? Sin. No, but I mean what I mean what we've been talking about is nature. Yeah, what died? The old man, the old nation. The nature of the old man. That person, that old person, the old man, is dead. We are dead to sin. So what does dead to sin mean to witnesses? Tell me, what does that mean to you, brother?

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Yeah, uh and listen, this is uh, I don't understand how sin. Well, I understand the uh God refines us, right, and disciplines us. And if there is no sin, then there is no discipline. So sin plays a part, right, once we are born again. Now, I understand, right? The saying that we have two natures may sound a little weird. Uh let me explain, right? Because this is something that I've always struggled with. Uh, shame and guilt causes me to sin every day, right? But at the same time, I know it's like job, right? We're seeing job. He's saying, Where is God? And at the same time, oh, he's here, right? So, and and this is how I see it, right? Because, for example, Paul doesn't understand why he sins. And he says this very interesting. He says that he doesn't understand why he does the things that he does, and then he goes to say that it is not him, but sin that lives in him. But he kind of takes ownership of the action. So uh in in my efforts to explain this, to to try to meet understand it, uh, this is how I I put it, right? So now uh instead of saying two natures, I'll just say flesh and spirit, right? I agree. Because that that's the that distinction is very clear in scripture. For example, in Galatians, it says the the spirit is against the flesh, and the flesh is against the spirit, so that we don't do the things that we want. And this is what confuses me because Paul says that our body of flesh has been crucified with Christ, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

And uh and then he goes to say that uh do not uh walk in the spirit so that you may not fulfill the desires of the flesh. But well, do we have it or do we don't, right? So, in order for me, this is how I try to visualize it, right? Uh we our original nature was uh flesh, right? Sick.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me let me slow you down there because I don't want to tie up the whole thing. Okay, so let me ask you a question. When you became a Christian, there's some aspect of your existence that died. What died?

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Uh the flesh. But not as the body, right?

SPEAKER_04 16:42

Because no, no. Here the the if the flesh died, then what are you draped in right now?

SPEAKER_00 16:49

That's my understanding is this, right? Uh flesh in the Bible refers both to the spirit, to, I mean, to the nature and to our body, right? Depending on the context. But it but it cannot be like only the body, because for example, Adam had a body, but he had no no seen nature at one point.

SPEAKER_04 17:14

Okay, hold on. I messed up here. Um all right, so so so let me ask you the question again. So if you read in in Colossians chapter 2, verse 13, Paul says, and you being dead in your sin, in your sins, and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him, Christ that is, having forgiven you all your trespasses. So when he says, and you being dead in your sins, what is he talking about?

SPEAKER_00 17:48

I think it's uh the the justification, right? Like uh Corinthians says that.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

No, no, no, no, brother. I'm asking a simple question. What I'm asking you is what died?

SPEAKER_00 18:02

The the sinful nature.

SPEAKER_04 18:06

That makes sense to me. That makes sense to me. And I think that I think that I'll put it to this way. When you look at it, there is a like for instance, we all have, we all have eternal life now. But we haven't realized it in its full capacity yet. And I think that on the flip side, there's a same, there's the same type of a of a perspective that we have about resident sin that is being mortified right now. Just like we we are constantly, we are in this body, constantly dying, dying, even though we are dead to the old man. So when you see, when you see um in in Ephesians chapter 2, Paul says in verse 5, even when we were, when we were dead in sin, has he quickened us together with Christ. And so, 1 Peter 2, 24, who his own self, Christ, that is, bare our sins in his own body on the tree that we being dead to sins should live unto righteousness by whose rights we are healed. So it is important that we understand something. Now, now keep in mind, I do understand, brother. But anyway, I do understand, everybody, that we still have this sin that we are dealing with and that is being purged. But just like, but so what's happening is we are exiting that particular life as we are continuing to grow in this other life that we have been given by Christ, which we never had before. But we need to understand that we are we are spiritually tied to Christ by his righteousness, and the body that we now live in is a corpse that is that we are dragging around, that is dying until the ultimate completion of it being taken away from us is ultimately gone and completely vanquished. And I know this is a tough, this is a tough subject to deal with, but um, we have to understand what it is we actually die from. And that that makes things a little bit better to understand. I have to see where I left off at. Pat, did I get to you?

SPEAKER_01 20:33

No, I just thank you for that's uh that was wonderful what you just did with the brother there. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_04 20:40

Yep. All right, Sister Mariah, your thoughts.

SPEAKER_06 20:46

Um I was think well, earlier I was thinking about how, you know, it says that we are either free from sin in Romans 6, just to sum it up, we're free from sin or we're free from righteousness. Right. And it makes me think about how you can't have the grace and the law. You can't mix them and and think that you can have both, you know. And early um, just a while ago, you said that we were we are dead and yet we're dying.

SPEAKER_05 21:15

Right.

SPEAKER_06 21:16

And it's almost as as when it says in the scripture that we are saved and we're being saved.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

Exactly right.

SPEAKER_06 21:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:24

Exactly right. That's exactly, and I forgot to put that other half in there, but that's what I was getting to. That's the point. Exactly right. It's it's a complex thing because we we we know we get frustrated by the practical experience. And the funny thing is, this is exactly what we're talking about with Job. Job's is talking about how about how um in in the in the previous verses when he says that um um I go forward, God's not there, backward, and and he's not there, all that stuff, right? And but Job is caught up in his emotions, but then he comes to His senses. And he says, But I but he knows the way that I take. When he has tried me, I know I will come forth as gold. And then he talks about in verses 11 and 12 about how he walks in God's steps and that his way he has kept and not declined. So the so there is there is there is a unique aspect of us that we have when we have been given the Holy Spirit of God to dwell within us, having our sins being removed from us and put on Christ and buried with him in that tomb, never to come out again. So there's something different, and we have to recognize and ask ourselves the big question, like we're talking to brother uh two witnesses about, which is we have to recognize that when we were ultimately, the ultimate baptism is when the Christian comes to faith, recognizing that they have died in Christ, and they were raised by Christ to the newness of life, a new life. And we have to we have to take it into account when this question comes up, and it's a good question that brother that the brother was asking, Roberto. But the thing is, you have to ask yourself the question, then what died? What died? Because when it comes to our salvation, there is something, there's some aspect of us that died and no longer lives, nor can. And this is the ultimate question. And maybe this is something that people we all should like, you guys, you know, everybody should take a look at this because this is a weighty discussion. If I do a thing on Romans, I will I can't wait to get into that on a deeper level. But it's a very important thing to understand. When we became converted, something about us died. And whatever that is, is the answer to this question.

SPEAKER_07 23:57

Can I say something real quick?

SPEAKER_04 23:58

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 23:59

I I think like when I think about my own walk and my own journey, I think that it's like I there's a desire that died. Like I have, I have no desire to do the things that I used to at all. Like it's gone. But and but that desire was something that the sin nature of my old man loved. It had it had no recourse, there was no thought, you just did it without even thinking. But now it it's the spirit that just the spirit that's in me, the Holy Spirit in me, is like immediate with the the correction and the and the way that the Lord has for me in my journey. So I I know that that desire for me died. And to me, now that you explain it, that is that is that sin nature, because in our sin nature, we had a desire to do the things that weren't of God. We were completely enemies of God. And so now my desire is to please the Lord. My desire is to do the things that are of him and to think like him. And that's why the word of God tells us to think of the on those things that are good and holy and pure, because this is where the mind of Christ comes in that we now have where we didn't have before. And so now it is different. So something did die. And now that I think about it, it was that nature because in the sinful flesh, that wasn't dead, and now it is. Glory to God. But we just still have like, and I think for me, it's like I cannot stand my flesh. I hate it. I want to shed it just as fast as I, you know, got into it. And I think that that's the red.

SPEAKER_04 26:00

That's the new Christian nature. That's right.

SPEAKER_07 26:02

Yeah, that's the red.

Entertainment, Conviction, And The Heart

SPEAKER_04 26:03

That's the part right there. I remember a long time ago, I I can't remember if it was a movie. Oh, it was a movie with Jim Carrey years ago. It it when he played, like um, you know, I forget the name of the movie, but he was wearing his yellow suit with this big hat and he's mask. The mask, right? And there's this part in there's this part in that movie where he's you know, he's pretending to die. He's supposed to be dying, but it's like lasting forever. And he keeps, you know, every time you think he's gone, then he wakes up again and starts coughing, you know, doing all this kind of stuff, you know, Jim Carrey. But the point is, is that he wouldn't just die. He just kept, he kept on like having a burst of a little burst of life, and then he would go out again and he'd come back and go out. That's like the that's like the old patriot, the old man in us. It's dead. It's already, it's already been given, it's already been given its final blow. Christ took care of that on the cross. That final blow was given, it was delivered. And now it is, excuse me, it is just it is dying. And like you described, Meg, is very is very true. Christ is concerned with the inner man. It's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out. He is concerned and focused on the inner person because this body can never go to glory. This body must be changed so that it matches and it is suitable to accommodate one that is that a soul that is purely holy and undefiled, and that forever. And so when the question comes up about these about corruption, about nature, whatever, we have to ask ourselves this question: what died? And how did it die? And this brings things, makes things more clear. Brother Rodney, go ahead. Rodney and then Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

So I just want to make sure I'm getting it, because I because I understand the not to nature thing. Um, and maybe I want to get a little more practical, but I don't want to go off too too much off tangent. Um, I understand exactly what you're saying, you know, like the old Rodney died, but then it's you know still dying. But when there are many things that they say, you know, like the holidays and TV shows, I was just actually talking about secular, secularism, I believe is the right word. And uh my friend, you know, she was talking about certain music and certain songs that, you know, she's not gonna stop listening to and all this stuff like that. And I kind of understood where she was coming from, but we had a conversation and it got upon the lines of, well, I was told as long as you don't feel like convicted or condemnate, condemned behind the song or whatever, like if you don't go do the action, like if you listen to a crazy song or watch a movie, as long as it doesn't drive you to, I guess, maybe attach to that nature in a sense, because it's it's there, you know, like TV and entertainment and stuff is there, but even in the chat I'm reading, you're just gonna get to a point. I think you just said it where you're just not gonna wanna desire those things. Because I mean, I know listening to certain songs now, it's just not the same as maybe when I remember the song 16, 15 years ago, you know. Um so I'm kind of like trying to make sure I'm understanding it because I'm like, all right, well, am I not gonna be accepted because I'm still listening to certain things or whatever. I mean, as long as I know by heart that I'm not gonna go do anything, but this is the hang up that so many people have.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

You know, so so many Christians are stuck on the flesh. They they they seem to they measure everything by what they do. This is the problem. This is what Christ was trying to address. This is what he was trying to address. You can't do these, you you can't. And what and and so the reason why we have these comforting words like like um uh brother Joseph just says, no condemnation. Why would he say that if it was an impossibility for us to to to to to fall back or to you know commit and fall into some sin or whatever? But you know, like I can sit here and talk to I'm blue in the face and start saying things like, oh, don't watch movies, don't smoke cigars, which I smoke, don't drink whiskey or wine, or don't go to the beach because you're gonna see women in bikinis. And this is, see, this is how the world thinks. This is how the world thinks. And so the issue is not about what you do, it's what your heart is, what your affections are set upon. Man.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

Okay, so really quick, I'll just not interrupt. Okay, so that's what I'm I guess that's where I'm hung up because I get that part, and I guess that I don't want to seem double-minded, but I'm like, okay, I am in my heart, I know how I feel. I mean, I don't blame it on my career of being a videographer, being a filmmaker, and all that stuff, but I mean, I kind of do because I mean in school I had to watch certain movies and study, but even when I watch things now, it's not because I'm like desiring, like, oh my God, they don't. I like the director, I like the color, you know, I mean, stuff like that. But it's hard to explain that to people, like, oh, you're watching this evil movie, and I'm like, you know.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

I'll put it this way. I'll put it this way, because I came out of the, I came out of the entertainment world, right? So I came out of the entertainment world. And I know a lot of Christians, you know, uh growing up, you know, and coming up, you know, I was born and raised in LA, so it does, you know, that's the entertainment world out there. So, you, you know, see, here's the thing. When people become Christian, they have a tendency to want to judge everyone else based on their own weaknesses. On their own weaknesses. No, let me give you an example of how this can backfire, how this can be, how this can be looked differently. I don't like I I'm not, you know, let me put like music. Let's take music for example. If you have this desire to be a musician, a musician. You you have this, you really want to be famous, you want to be a celebrity, you want to be on the stage, playing that guitar, singing that mic, doing all that all that fancy stuff that they do on the stage. You want that. Then you become a Christian. Then you become a Christian. And then you start getting an influx of admonition and exhortations about the things you should now avoid to do. Right? So then somebody might tell you, hey, well, how about how about playing Christian music? And then you're like, that's I can play Christian music. Can I play Christian rock music? Can I do Christian rap music? You know? Now, if you talk to people that I grew up with, some of the old school Christians I know, they didn't like rap music. They don't care if it was Christian music or Christian rap or not. They're not having, they're not playing Kurt Franklin. They they're not having that stuff. But here's what I'm trying to tell you you can become a Christian where you wanted to be some star in the in the music industry, you become a Christian, and now you want to play Christian music, not because of what you're singing about, but because you want an alternative that makes you feel comfortable about feeding that vice that you had before you became a Christian. You follow what I'm saying? Like people, a lot of times when people become Christians, what they start doing was the desires that they had in the world, they want to migrate over into the Christian world to scratch that it's there. Not because there's there's a sincerity about glorifying God, but because they get to find the glory they were seeking before under this new medium or this new genre.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

And that's it. Not the backfire, the backfire part. So could God, I mean, you know, and I see they follow the conviction. He's could he be convicting on the other side of the pillar, if I can, could he be convicting you to keep you there? Because you know, he knows that you want to do this, but he's convicted you in all the itches, like you just said, because you come from this dark side of it, quote unquote, right? Talking about this, talking about that. But then now something happens and then you reroute, but he keeps you there. It's not like you just became a basketball player now because it's the bad thing to do, or you became a pastor or something like that. You know, I mean you stay right there, but you just changed your heart. I mean, because you know, I have some artists that change, but then it's still like, oh, well, don't forget what they did, you know, and I'm like, well, you can't say that.

Refusing Condemnation From Others

SPEAKER_04 35:07

You know, it's just, and I don't mean to get caught up in this, I'm sorry, but Christians, Christians, uh especially younger ones, and I mean younger age in terms of in Christ sometimes, they have this that, you know, people, everything, they focus everything on what, they focus everything on what they do. And you have to you have to look at the heart, because the heart seeks after what it desires. You know, and you have to know what your heart is, and you have to understand, like it's like I said, and let me tell you something, everybody, listen. Don't let anybody else just don't don't be condemned by another man's conscience. If your conscience tells you to stay away from this or that or whatever, um don't let somebody else come and tell you that what, you know, like like one thing I can't stand is somebody telling me that God told them I needed to know something. And he told them. I don't want to hear that. Never. Now, uh being get being rebuked for something, oh sure. I mean, especially somebody who knows me. Especially somebody who knows me and really cares for my soul, you know. Um, but what I'm saying is don't don't allow yourself to be condemned because of someone else's conscience. They need to go deal with their own conscience and deal with God for what they are dealing with right now or in whatever situation is, because whatever your problem was in the world may never have been my problem. And I have my own. You see what I mean? But, but, but um, you know, now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying go out there and start committing all this sin. That's not what I'm saying. And and anybody who takes that idea, if that's what I'm saying, is is getting the wrong idea. But what I am saying is that people need to focus on understanding their own heart and their own desires. And no one can look at that and tell you what's going on except for you. No one knows that. And it and it's and it's tough. And somebody asked the question, how do you stop sinning? You don't. Not until you let not until you escape this bottom. But what what what we have done when we came to Christ, we can no longer now be condemned because of any sin, because of what Christ has done for us. There's no sin that Christ did not cover for those for whom he died. It's impossible. You cannot be, you can never be condemned for your sin. You may have a hard time in this life if you find yourself getting caught up in an addiction that you used to be in. I don't know. Everybody has to understand, you have to understand your own heart. And don't let somebody else be your conscience. And there's no shortage of Christians who always want to be everybody else's conscience. Um, who was next?

SPEAKER_07 37:53

Um, I love this. And no, it was Lisa Candy Pat.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

All right, go ahead, go forward. Lisa Candy Pat.

SPEAKER_02 38:03

Thanks, Nick. Um, all I was gonna say, um, well, I'm I was gonna say something different because I can't even remember what it is, but I will say this. As far as uh I am led by the by the Holy Spirit, right? There are certain things that I do or I used to do that are 100% sinful for me to do. Right. I know that because God took it from me. And they may not, I would never ever in a million years tell somebody else they shouldn't do the things that I know I need not to be doing. Right. There were certain things that uh, for instance, when somebody attacked me, my first instinct was to attack back, and you were not gonna win, whether that be verbally, whether that be physically, whatever. Oh and no joke, no joke. I believe it. I mean, you can ask my husband. I've been in some brawls in my day, but not to say, these days, these days, by the power of God's Holy Spirit, for the most part, I am able to restrain my mouth. And on occasion, when they push, push, push, push, my flesh jumps right out. But I gotta tell you, I do not feel good about that.

SPEAKER_05 39:24

I agree, I do.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

And I feel I feel so, so like I let God down so badly. And so that's how I gauge my stuff, you know, this time of year. Oh, don't celebrate Easter. Eat Easter because it's Ishtar. And if you're if your grandchild um, you know, colors Easter eggs out to sin and you're not yeah. And you know what? I just I I don't even have any time for any of that foolishness now.