LIVE DISCUSSION: Testimony of Venessa Martin (Part 3/4)

A single line in Scripture can change when you suddenly see it echoed somewhere else, and that “wait, how did I miss that?” moment sets the tone for this conversation. We sit with Vanessa as she shares a deeply personal Christian testimony and the way God has made the Bible feel connected, living, and impossibly precise, from Genesis forward. What follows is not polished storytelling. It’s the kind of honest faith talk that sounds like real life: tender, stumbling, and full of gratitude.

We also get into the parts believers often avoid saying out loud: drifting from the Word, the shame that makes you hide, and the quiet miracle of coming back. Vanessa describes seasons when her Bible literally gathered dust and what finally pulled her home, including chronic pain that pushed her to reflect on Jesus on the cross. Along the way we talk addiction, repentance, and the long arc of praying for change until God answers, including her story of finally quitting smoking after decades.

The second half turns practical and freeing with a deep dive into prayer. We challenge the idea that prayer has to be formal or scripted and talk about what it means to “pray all day” in ordinary moments. We also touch Romans 8 and the Spirit’s groanings, pushing back on performative spirituality and pointing listeners back to simple worship, constant dependence, and community that strengthens faith.

If you’ve ever felt like you don’t have the words to speak about God, let this be your nudge. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs encouragement, and leave a review with one question you want us to tackle next.

Transcript

Noticing Scripture Echoes Across Testaments

SPEAKER_05 0:00

You know, that was the thing. And then I had seen something else that I hadn't really noticed before, but God's starting to show me where everything goes together. Like I was reading something and then I read something else and it said the exact same thing, but it one was in the old testament and one was in the new testament. Right. And it was like, wow. You know, God gave me that. And it was just like the first time when I read about um, you know, in the Garden of Eden, when uh God t says, you know, he'll put an enmity between you and the his seed, whatever. And then I read and it says something by the hill.

unknown 0:40

Right.

SPEAKER_05 0:41

And then I read the thing about Jacob and Esau, and it just popped in my head. There it is. He grabbed him by the hill. That's right. Just exactly like God said he would. Yep. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 0:51

Exactly, sister. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 0:53

And and it's like, how can you not believe the word? I told I told Bobby, I said, I just don't have no idea how anybody makes it every day without God.

SPEAKER_07 1:03

I just don't I agree with you. I totally agree with you, Sister May.

A Testimony That Validates Quiet Faith

SPEAKER_04 1:10

Sister Vanessa, I am so glad that you're doing this testimony. And um I love you so much.

SPEAKER_05 1:19

And um don't start, I'll start crying again.

SPEAKER_04 1:22

I know, but you know, when I'm hearing your testimony, I can relate to it so much because there's a lot of answers that I can't give. You know, like when it comes to the Lord and how he's been in my life, and then I hear your story and I'm like, okay, Lord, so you we can know you just from you just revealing yourself as we're children, or I don't, I don't have a a rescue story, you know, or I'm just like you. And um I I think it's unique, I think it's different, and it's beautiful to almost be validated, like, okay, Lord, so you you work through your children in similar ways, but um it's beautiful, and I I knew I knew this I'm the same way. I can't explain it. Don't make me cry so I understand 100%.

SPEAKER_05 2:35

I understand. I know that God gives you I I know what God gives you for me because I can see it in you.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

It's the most beautiful thing in the whole world, and um and I know that when I hear your story, I know that it's true, and I know that I know that that's how you feel. Um, and I know that that's been your experience with the Lord, and it's so genuine, and it's so real, and it's so true, sister, and it just really has been brought so much to me tonight, and I I love you so much.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

You are so special to all of us, and I thank God for your testimony, and I thank God for what he's doing in your life, and I just love you so much, you're so special to me, and I just wanted you to know that. So thank you, because I love you too.

SPEAKER_05 3:25

I do. I see so I see so much in you, man. I I I see so much of you, and I know that you are I know that you have the heart of God. I know that and I sometimes when you're talking, I'm thinking, she's saying exactly what I want to say, but I can't get the words out. My my thing is I can't get the words out to say what I want to, and so that's what kept me from coming up forever. It's like uh Jonathan's gonna ask me something, just like the other night when he asked me and um Lisa that question. I was thinking, please don't ask me, please don't ask me, and he asked me, and I'm thinking, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

But I want to encourage you something because when you're on the panel, one thing I always know is you don't have to worry about what you're going to say. Because that's true. Because here's the thing who makes man's mouth? Right? That that's what that's what the Lord said to Moses. Who makes man's mouth? And I'm gonna tell you something, he made mine, and I'm gonna open it and yield, and it it's gonna come out, and what you say is beautiful because when when you're speaking, when we're talking about our Lord, he will give the words to say. We have we do not have to worry about it, or you may be a Moses that needs an Aaron, because that's who I am with my husband. I'm the Aaron, he's the Moses, and you know, so but you say beautiful things and the comments, just like Pat said, the comments that you make are beautiful and they're well thought out and they're put together, and you'll never have to worry about what you're gonna say because God is right on time with everything, sister. And you've taught me things, just even being on the panel, and frankly, that's how all of us are. Lisa says profound things, Rod when he takes his notes and and he and he's not worried about his job. He says he says some of the most profound things. Grace, encouraging servant, free, Miss White. I I talk to these people every day. Um and so I man, we got something good going on here, and the devil's not gonna do anything about it because we are the church and the gates of hell will not prevail. So, Jonathan, you need to believe that too and stop saying that stuff. But yeah, Vanessa, I love you, sister, so much.

SPEAKER_05 5:52

I love you too, dear.

Shame After Sin Versus Coming Home

SPEAKER_07 5:54

Sister Michelle, you want to say anything to Vanessa? Because I know that sometimes you have short, little limited time. So I want to see if you want to get something in before you have to go in case you do.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Yeah, I have to go here in a few minutes because I gotta go to bed. And I always miss your lives. I'm trying to catch them. Um, when I came in, she was sharing something about alcohol, and then that's when I'd come in. That's why I jumped up. But I noticed she said something because you know, I went round and around with drugs and alcohol most of my life. And I noticed when she said when she was out sinning, she would come home and pray anyway. And I thought about myself, and I'm like, I didn't. I was like Adam and Eve. I was I I felt so bad and so unworthy that it kept me from him, you know. And and after he saved me in that motel room, um, and I've truly come to know who I am in Christ, I always wondered. You know, I just felt like I was always the black sheep. And I and I, but she said she would come home and pray anyway. And I was like, man, that that's awesome.

SPEAKER_07 7:04

Yeah, that is. That is Vanessa. I think if I remember right, I think Michelle was probably the first testimony that I ever did. I think she was the first one. And uh her testimony is a is an outstanding one too, because she has a very interesting life.

SPEAKER_05 7:23

So put it up so I can find it.

SPEAKER_07 7:26

I'll I'll find I have it, so I just gotta I I have it saved, so I'll I'll I'll I'll share it with you and uh and I'll probably repost it so people can see it again. I just did Lisa's this past week, but it's I think it's good.

SPEAKER_05 7:37

No, and I still haven't watched it, but I want to. Yeah, I was I started to watch it.

SPEAKER_07 7:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:43

Go ahead. I'm sorry, Michelle. No, you're fine. You can go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say is I was trying to watch Lisa's, you know, the other night, and because I was wide awake, man. I couldn't go to I do that a lot. I sleep about five between five and seven hours a night. That's pretty much it. And um, but I was trying to find hers, and I finally found it, but it wouldn't work. And I'm thinking, man, I'm not gonna get to see this. And then I found Jeffree's.

SPEAKER_07 8:11

Yeah, Jeffrey has one. He had one. Lisa, you had your hand up.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Yeah, I was just gonna say, uh, Vanessa, if you do get a chance to watch mine, I don't think you'll ever be afraid to to speak out again. Like in public. Uh mine, I you know, we speak about people needing an errand. Man, I needed an errand at an interpreter that night, but you know, it's the truth. So I love you, and I'm so glad you're doing this. And the one thing I will say is what resonated when you used to have though that nightmare as a child, um, did it uh did did you know you were? I mean, did I think you said it, but did you know at that time that you were chosen by God? Yes. Um I say that because I was tormented by nightmares as a child, and my nightmares actually drove me the opposite direction. I I wanted to study about paranormal and um all those things. So it it like it it spurred me. I wanted to know what was going on in my mind, and I it how ridiculous. And you are so blessed to have realized something so early on because I literally um didn't even think about, you know. I'm I may have prayed to God to ask him to stop to stop the nightmares, but I went in research of all the things I shouldn't be messing with, all the things that he tells us don't do, I was doing. So um, I think that's amazing that you knew that from such an early age. What a blessing. It was a gift.

SPEAKER_05 10:01

It's a it's a gift from him, and I and and I know that. Like I said, he gives me so many gifts, I can I can't even explain them all. I mean, I I wouldn't even want to if I could because it's just personal, you know. But he shows me so much stuff, and sometimes it's in most of the time it's not in a dream. I don't because I don't dream hardy. I don't hardly ever dream. Now when I was a child I did, but I don't hardly ever dream. And when I do, like I said, when I wake up I'm praying. And I mean, you know, because I my thing is I pray for little children that get beat and tormented and you know, all the things that they have to go through. And I can't imagine. You know, I've seen some clips of children that just absolutely tear me up, man. It tears my heart apart. And I just, you know, I said, God, I I know that things happen for a reason. But can you just please fix their mind? You know, so where they don't hide it from them, whatever, so they don't have so much torture in their mind. They have body torture. But if you could just if you could just please, Lord, fix their mind so that they can survive. That's my thing. I just feel like they can't survive, they don't even know who they are because they're in so much tortured pain. Yeah, and I just it just tears me out and breaks my heart. Breaks my heart, brother Rodney.

SPEAKER_06 11:43

Yeah, um, hi Sister Vanessa. Um I I don't have much to say. I just I'm receiving it, but I just want to say thank you. As the youngest one in here, you're definitely giving me the needed pieces that I needed to hop on the stage. I just haven't quite done it yet, but I think you know, I'm feeling inspired and motivated to uh want to say mine. So thank you. And I know it takes a lot to get up here because just me, period, just getting on social media, you know. I mean, I just feel like it's for me in Christ, but I'm always told stop doing that because it could help someone. So I thank you. I know how that feels definitely helping me.

SPEAKER_05 12:26

So well, I'm glad Ronnie, I've really seen a big difference in you since you came on here. I really have. And I love your notes, and I said your handwriting is beautiful. You know, because a lot of men can't write, but I know men that can write, that's you know, has beautiful handwriting, and uh you're one of them. My ex-husband was too. He had he has a beautiful, he had a beautiful handwriting. But yeah, I just love the way you write stuff, you know. The words you say, you just every day I see you growing, and it's like it's amazing to me. You know, because when you see somebody grow in Christ from the time they started until the you know, as they grow, it's so amazing and so beautiful that you can't help from thanking God for it. You know, because it's him, it's all his glory, everything is for him.

SPEAKER_06 13:22

So yeah, glory to God right now, because I mean, I like you said, your car drove God drove your car home that night. So many things that you were talking to me directly.

SPEAKER_08 13:32

It's just like, yes, that's it.

SPEAKER_06 13:34

Literally, it's him, not me, nothing else. You know, so God bless you again. I'm glad truly, truly. So thank you.

SPEAKER_05 13:42

But he really did drive my car home that day. I don't know how I got home.

SPEAKER_07 13:48

So Meg and then Jeffrey, Sister Vanessa.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

John Jonathan asked me a while back to if I wanted to do my testimony, and it's a lot for me because it's a lot of glory to God, and I'm gonna be a basket case when I do it, and I know that I am. I'm probably gonna cry the whole way through because when you think about what God has done for you in your life, I I think our spirits can only respond with tears, and um, because it's it's overwhelming. And you have really encouraged me, um, just by your testimony tonight, to to say mine. And I know yeah, it's it's gonna be a mess. It's gonna be a big mess, but um We all know you're a crybaby Meg. I'm just kidding. I no, I know y'all do. I am, but it's it's a lot. I am too. I am too, though. But it's not, it's not, you know, I don't know. My I don't think I'm very special. Um it's mine's not anything special, but um you just inspired me because the whole point of our testimony is it's not about what happened to us, it's about what God did through it, it's about glorifying him. And that is how when the word says we overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony, the testimony is about him and what he has done. And so many times we get into our stories, but it's not our story, it's his glory in our story. And so I I just want to thank you so much, sister. And so, Jonathan, whenever you're ready, I will definitely step up to the plate and um be corrected.

SPEAKER_07 15:43

You guys heard that. You guys heard that, right? Everybody was a witness.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

So I will. I'll be on camera. You guys will get to see my tears, and I'll be a frog the next morning. But uh I think I think so. Um, thank you, sister. I I can't say how much I love you so much, and um you're so special. And I don't want you to ever forget that. And you know, no matter what you've been through, you know, I I don't ever want you to forget how beautiful inside and out you are. And so many times in this world, people look on the outside. But what the Lord does is He takes your inside and He transforms you, and your outside becomes so beautiful into something that you have never even thought that beauty is it's not about looks, it's not about anything else, it's about what He's doing in you and through you, and it's so beautiful, and you're beautiful, and I want you to know that truly thank you.

SPEAKER_05 16:44

I used talking about inside and out, and the thing is, is like with me, God I will I used to have to have makeup on my face every single day of my life. I mean, I wouldn't go out of the house without something on my eyes, you know. And today, for the past probably five years, I haven't even worn makeup. None. No matter where I go or what I do, I just don't care anymore because I'm God's child and this is who he made me, and so that's how I look at it.

SPEAKER_07 17:18

Anyways, I just wanted to say that, brother um Jeffrey and then Mariah.

SPEAKER_08 17:26

Jonathan, before I get to my comment, Vanessa, I want to say something. If you look up in the upper left-hand corner of your screen, you'll see the handsome picture of a young man. It says called the Bible provocateur. And there's a little number underneath that. 3.4K. And Vanessa, that means that 3,400 other people tonight have scrolled past and gotten some, most or all of your testimony tonight. And what's the thing?

SPEAKER_05 17:58

Those are likes, Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_08 18:00

Yeah, those are likes. Exactly. That have heard. Thank you, Megan. For I needed to understand that. I appreciate it. Uh they have you have blessed that many people. It's my point. Like I said, it's all gone. Yeah. It ain't meaningful. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, my comment was real quick. Uh Jonathan, I don't know, and Pamela, I don't know about you. Vanessa would be an excellent candidate to join us this summer for the TikTok family get together. So hopefully, Vanessa. Okay, great. We'll plan on seeing. We can't wait. So that's all I wanted to say. So thank you for that. And uh love you guys. Thank you again, Vanessa. Tonight was awesome.

SPEAKER_05 18:47

Thank you, Jeffrey. Love you. We love you too, Jeffrey.

Backsliding And Being Brought Back

SPEAKER_01 18:53

So, Sister Vanessa, I'm so glad. I'm so glad to just be here and um, you know, hear your testimony and the things that you have gone through. Uh you you have been so strong, you know, and I know that the Lord has um given you his strength and some of the things that you have gone through and endured, I have never, and I just wow, you're just so blessed to just come through on the other side. Um, I had a question, which was just more so of like the times that you said that you have backslidden or that you had gone astray, and you know, your faith was um not as where you would like it had to have been. What was it that actually brought you back? And and what are some of those things? Um, was it like the Lord that um grabbed you back and brought you back? Was it somebody else that you know? I I that's all I heard.

SPEAKER_05 20:04

It was the Lord, it was him, it's always been him. Like I said, from when I was little, I always knew and I could hear his voice, you know. And when I was out sinning, I mean, a lot of times, you know, you don't even think about it when you're out there sinning because Satan's leaving you alone. But because you're doing his work. But you know, I know that God lets Satan grab us, you know, and so he tests us that way sometimes. You know, and so it was the Lord that brought me back. I mean, he he was always on my mind constantly, and I'm thinking, okay, I've got to get back in my Bible because I let it go for probably three or four years and didn't even look at it. It had dust on it, if that tells you anything, but that's because Satan had a a hold on me. But that was because God let him have a hold on me, because he can't do it without God. You know, and this I know. Yeah, it was it was the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

What was that experience like for you when you came back? Like, was it just like um slowly but surely that you recognize this and you just blew the dust off your Bible? Or was it like you know, um just a real snatching that happened in this time of um when you have realized these things? Like, was it how how was that for you?

SPEAKER_05 21:37

Well, I was in bed. This is when I lived at my other house, and I was off work because I couldn't work, because I'm so miserable with my back. My back is really I got a really bad back, Jonathan, just like you. Yeah. Um I have ruptured disc in my neck, and I have ruptured disc in my um lower back, and I would lay there and And I would cry and I could see Jesus on the cross. And I would lay there and I would pray and I'd say, God, you know, I'm so sorry that you had to go through what you went through. But I said, I have no right to complain. None whatsoever. Because even though I was in miserable pain for myself, it was nowhere near, not even an inkling of what Jesus went through for us.

SPEAKER_07 22:36

Amen, sister.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

And I uh that's what brought me, really brought me back to God the last time. And that was I don't know, about 10 years ago. And uh I just stayed in my word. And then I used to smoke. And it was six years yesterday, and I was trying to tell Meg that last night on the comments, it was six years yesterday that I that God took it away from me. And I mean, he just I prayed about it and prayed about it and prayed about it, and then I did it. It was like I never had another cigarette.

SPEAKER_06 23:14

Amen, sister.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

And I smoked for since I was nine years old. And so I smoked until I was 60.

unknown 23:21

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 23:22

And but I prayed about it for years and years, and finally God took it away from me.

SPEAKER_07 23:30

So tell me. Let me ask you this, because I knew I know you and Bobby are really close, and Bobby is special. I can't wait for her to come up here as well. And um, and seeing you guys in person, all of you guys in person, is gonna be the delight of my life. But how have I'm assuming that Bobby's probably your number one sort of Christian support figure in person? Is that is that a fair assessment or or or not?

SPEAKER_05 23:59

Yeah, kind of, but I had also have I have a friend named Corey. I'm trying to teach her though, she don't know as much as I do, but she always praises me. You know, she's saving us, you always come, you always send me something that I need so bad. And I said, But Corey, that's not me, it's God. You know, I send it to her because God has me send it to her, even though, even if I don't know it at the time. You know, but I know that though. I know that it's God, not me. And she she's a she's a good support system for me too. And then I have a girlfriend in North Carolina, which I've she's just like my sister. And we grew up together, and she loves God too, but she always tells me, she says, Vanessa, you should get online and tell your stuff. And I said, No, because God hasn't called me to do that. But Bobby, yeah, me and Bobby talk every day, and we usually talk about God all the time now. And it's it's wonderful. I mean, we talk about Bill too, because you know, that's her husband. And they go places and do things, and she's you know, I know how Bill is. You know, Bill's got a good heart.

SPEAKER_06 25:09

Right.

SPEAKER_05 25:09

Um I just he really does. He'll do anything for anybody. But um, but yeah, Bobby's pretty much my support, you know, that I can talk to about it. Right. You know, because Jesus is my Jesus is my backbone. I mean I know that my house is full of the Lord and I don't have no fear. God gave me this house. I'm I'm telling you, He when I decided Bobby lived here, and I lived about an hour away. And one day I was coming out to visit Bobby, and I was driving down the road and I thought, maybe I should move out here. It sure is beautiful. And uh when I told Bobby that, she goes, You you're gonna leave the city.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

That was like me, leaving the money.

SPEAKER_05 26:01

And so I when I decided I sold my house and bought this one in a day. So that was God, yeah, you know, and it's like he knew, and I feel so comfortable here. I mean, it's like there's nothing better, and my neighbors are are terrific, and I didn't have that at my other place. It was like drug addicts and you know, all that kind of stuff, because I was in Ipsy and it was a horrible place, but I knew when I got here that this is where I belonged. Right, you know, and it was just so fantastic, and I knew it was from God too.

Prayer As Constant Worship Not Ritual

SPEAKER_07 26:40

How has how has prayer influenced your growth as a Christian?

SPEAKER_05 26:48

Man, I talk to God all day long. I mean all day long, because He's He's my Lord. Anytime I have a question, anytime I want to talk to somebody, I just even if I'm watching television or something, you know, and I'll say, Yeah, now you shouldn't be doing that. You know, even though it's a TV show, and I'll say, God, I know it's a TV show, but there's people out there that really are like that. You know, and so I praise him for it. But my prayer, there is nothing like prayer, it's a worship. Prayer is a worship, and it's the same as we worship him, praising him and thanking him. And but to me, prayer is one of the most greatest of all things to be with the Lord if you pray. And he will, like I said, he might not answer in our time. You know, and if we're praying about something, we we might not get an answer in our time that we want, but God always answers us, always and forever. And I just prayer to me is one of the most important things that you can do.

SPEAKER_07 27:57

You know, I I believe that, and and and I'll tell you one a big reason why I like your answer, but it, you know, your answer is your answer regardless. But I love it because one of the big problems with Christian with Christians is that, especially in the modern times, is that we try to make everything so formulaic. And and so even when it comes to prayer, you know, there's always a formal approach, you know, like when you say you pray all day, I think that this is that's an important thing to understand, and for other Christians to understand. It doesn't necessarily mean you just because you're not on your knees or just because your eyes aren't closed, doesn't mean you can't pray. You can pray at any moment. Talking to God, meditating on, like Meg says, meditating on scripture, meditating on your own soul, your own convictions, meditating on things that you need to repent because you want to see God glorified. You can pray with God anywhere, anytime. And I think there are a lot of people, because I used to struggle with this. I used to struggle that I will, I used to believe that I wasn't, that that that Lord probably wasn't lit, wasn't hearing me. But what I began to understand, or wasn't that I wasn't praying enough, but what I began to understand is that I I was praying to God more than I realized.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

Amen. Wow.

SPEAKER_07 29:27

You know, and because we put prayer in a certain category. There's a function, there's a ritual that goes along with it. And that's why what you said, what you said is so important. And you know, when you said I pray everywhere, even on watching TV. And this is the thing. That's legitimate prayer. And the thing is, it you we have to get rid of, we have to get we have to get rid of all this formality and just worship. I believe that. And just worship. And you and you're right, prayer is that thing. And because it's uh it was always something I was always fearful of, you know. You know, Lord, am I praying enough? And and what look what he ended up showing me was that it was like, son, I've been hearing you all along. And my thing is like, well, when you know, and it's all the time. It's all the time. I I can't go an hour, I don't think, without talking to him. But just you know what I mean? So prayer is way more than we understand, you know, and and and we know from scripture, uh, Vanessa, that that Paul tells us in Romans that the spirit makes groanings that can't be uttered. And then these Pentecostals turn it into something freaky, like a freak show, that it's about speaking in tongues. No. It means that it can't be uttered. Tongues is uttering. You you follow what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 31:01

So because I used to be Pentecostal. I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_07 31:04

Yeah, you see what I'm talking about. But see, but but it's but it's that it's that sometimes your heart just yearns, it's crying out to God. And it's what and it and it's not nothing, it's nothing that is outwardly spoken. And it may be something that goes outside your own spiritual purview, but there's something, there's a groaning in the heart of a true believer that is always reaching out to God. And this is what the spirit always intermingles himself with to make those prayers acceptable to God and and and heard by God. It's such a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_05 31:34

Get him up there, huh? Linus. Get Linus up there. I've been waiting to talk to him.

SPEAKER_07 31:41

Uh oh.

SPEAKER_05 31:42

I wonder what he is.

SPEAKER_07 31:44

I don't think Linus wants to come up here. I don't think he wants to come up here. I try to get him up here, but uh I thought he was on there, so sorry. I think he was on for a blip, but when I think that sometimes when people accidentally pop into mind, they're like, oh, I better get out of here quick. This guy's the devil, you know. Um, but anyway.

SPEAKER_05 32:04

Don't call yourself a devil. You ain't no devil at all.

SPEAKER_07 32:06

No, I don't feel like no devil, but I'm I I'm sure there are many people who think I am though. Many people who think I am, but that's okay. Yeah, me either, sister.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

They thought Jesus was the devil too, brother, in John chapter 10.

SPEAKER_07 32:18

That's true.

A Final Request For Deeper Understanding

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 32:20

So, Sister Vanessa, let me ask you this, and then I'm calling Pat next. Let me ask you this. So, if if if if if tonight, and it's not, but if tonight were the last time any of us were gonna ever see you again, um, I don't mean that kind of not see you again. I mean if we were never gonna see you again as friends, right? What would you want us, what would you ask each of us to pray for you, to pray specifically for for you? Like if you were moving out of the country.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

For my understanding of all of God's word, what I can know, what his will is for me. That's what I want. That you know, because I just don't understand enough. I mean, I understand a lot of it, don't get me wrong. I understand a lot because God showed it to me. There ain't no man taught me this stuff. The only man that taught me anything was you, and that was through God. Oh, and honestly, I mean, everything that I have known and everything that I have learned is from the Word of God. And it was Him showing me, you know, and it's just like the Old Testament. I told Bobby, I said, I love the Old Testament. I do. There's things in there that people just don't.