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LIVE: Exposition of Job Concludes (Job 42), Part 3/4
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Job’s story ends with a twist most of us would resist: God doesn’t just restore Job, he tells Job’s accusers to go to Job for prayer. We talk through why that command is so confronting, what it reveals about God’s justice, and why spiritual integrity means refusing to “admit you might be wrong” when you know you’re not, just to keep the peace. If you’ve ever felt misjudged, shamed, or pressured into a false confession, Job 42 lands like a deep breath of truth.
From there we trace the turning point: “the Lord turned the captivity of Job when he prayed for his friends.” That single line opens up themes of forgiveness, reconciliation, and intercession, plus the uncomfortable question of whether we would ever advocate for people who spoke vile things about us. Along the way we connect Job’s advocacy to the gospel, showing Job as a vivid type of Christ, and we explore how righteous prayer changes not only outcomes, but hearts.
We also tackle a classic apologetics challenge: if Job receives twice as much as before, why aren’t the children doubled? The answer pulls us into resurrection hope, Job’s confidence in seeing God, and why the Bible can look like a contradiction until you read it with spiritual eyes. We close with reflections on God’s sovereignty, the peace found in resting in Christ, and a practical warning for every believer: don’t be like Job’s friends, quick to judge and slow to help.
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When Peacekeeping Becomes Dishonesty
SPEAKER_05To agree with someone who is telling you something about yourself if you know it's not true. On the other hand, if you do know it is true, that's that's different. But we're talking about what I'm saying is don't just admit to the possibility of somebody being right when you know they're wrong, just because you want to keep the peace.
God Defends Job Publicly
SPEAKER_05And Job was unwilling to do that. And he and God here corroborates Job. He does. Job here gets the defense from God that he sought from God early on. Did he not? God defends him now. He tells these guys, My wrath is kindled against you. You are wrong, my servant was right. Now you go take seven rams and seven bullocks, and you go to Job and have him intercede on your behalf to me, and we'll and you'll be accepted. And so God commands them to offer sacrifices and tells them that Job is going to pray for them. He's going to he's going to speak to God on their behalf. And here's something else. Job had to be sitting there thinking. I mean, imagine what Job must have been thinking. That God, He not only has forgiven me, but He is telling these guys who beat me up that they need to come to me and have me pray for them. Now I don't know what Job's mindset was about these guys going on, but remember, he tells them about their lack of wisdom, all these different things. And now he must be looking at God like you want me to pray to you on their behalf? And we know Job did because he's a righteous and godly man. But would many of what will many of us would we have acted like Job? Would we have been their advocates? Sometimes I wonder if I would in certain cases. I like to believe that the divine secret impulses of God working in and through us will lead us to a place where we would do what it is that God requires. And so Job, being the man that he is, we can have no doubt that he did intercede on their behalf to God. And I'm certain that whatever friendship they had was restored or for the first time established, I would guess. I would think so. And so this shows here that Job is restored to the favor that he once knew from God and even becomes this intercessor and this advocate for those who accused him. And like Brother Brian was saying earlier when he was on the chat, Job here is clearly seen and clearly depicted as a type of Christ. No question about it here. No question about it here. Does anybody want to add anything to this? It's a good section here. Anybody want to add anything? Anybody? All right.
Restoration Starts With Prayer
SPEAKER_05So verse 10 and 11. And the Lord turned the captivity of Job when he prayed for his friends. Also, so we see here, he did pray for his friends. Also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. Then came there unto him all his brethren and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and they did eat bread with him in his house, and they bemoaned him and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him. Every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold. So Job, his restoration by the Lord, begins with him praying for his friends. Notice that's the first thing that he does. He immediately responds to the Lord's words and he prays for his friends. And it shows that Job himself was spiritually bred with a spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation. And listen, we need to be this way. We all read how vicious the tongues were of these men against Job. And yet Job obeys the Lord and he prays for them. He prays for them. How much humility and a spirit of forgiveness and a spirit of reconciliation can you expect of a person that is dealt with the way he was dealt with with these men, and yet he does it. And how reluctant that we are, how reluctant that we are to reciprocate that to those who wronged us and who've spoken vile things to us. Go ahead.
Forgive Them Father And Friends Return
SPEAKER_00You know, it in in in this verse 10, I think it's so beautiful because I got two Bibles in front of me, but in the in the Septuagint it says, and the Lord brought prosperity to Job. And when he prayed also for his friends, he forgave their sin. And I and I think that's so beautiful. I mean, could you imagine Job being in this place that essentially the Lord Jesus Christ in in a typology type of way, all of these things that they dumb have done wrong, it was more or less forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do. You know, how many times are we in a space where you know we see, like Sister Lisa says, evil going on in the world, or people that are doing these atrocious things, and how many how many times we find ourselves saying the exact same thing that both our Lord and Stephen said? Simply forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do, you know. Yeah, and but you know, I do kind of funny, find a f find it funny in here that now that Job has been restored, all of his little friends want to come around and eat with him.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, they all came back. Yeah, where were they where were they all before? Where were they all before? Yeah, but see, and and I think that I think that I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking about that too. And and it's like Job could have easily had the the disposition about himself to say, no, you know what, you guys weren't around when I needed you the most, so I'm you know, I don't you don't need to come around here now. He didn't act like that. So it's clear that whether he whether they did something worthy of the requirement or the need for forgiveness or not, but I think I'm so sorry. But Job could have easily had the attitude, like, well, you know what, guys, you know, God restored me back. You guys were around and need you the most, so you know, you you can leave. I don't want to have anything to do with you. You don't want anything to do with me, so I don't want anything to do with you. But that's not what Job did. Job is a perfect type of Christ in this in this regard as well. He accepted them all back. They ran from him, they abandoned him, and he was willing to embrace them when they came back like prodigals. He accepted them. And how many times, how many times do we find our Lord and Savior with his arms open wide to us when we know we have sinned egregiously against him and against our brothers and sisters? How many times do we find the Lord with open arms? How how would we like it? If he were to say, No, I have nothing, I want nothing to do with you. My wrath is kindled against you. But he doesn't. He never rejects us. And we see that Job here, we see the job here, his latter end is better and greater than what it was in the beginning. And God restored to him twice what he had. He gave him his family back, he gave him an he gave him more children. And so it's just this beautiful picture of Christ here. It really is. It's a beautiful picture painted by Job's life of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and how he deals with us. And boy, are we thankful that he does. Sister Candy, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03Sister Candy, you think Yeah, I'm there. Um just had me go back to 2230 in Job when he says, Job says, he will deliver one who is not innocent, and he will be delivered through the cleanness of your hands. And it made me in James, where he talks about confess your sins one to another and pray for one another. Because the effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. And that's exactly what God is showing us through Job with his friends in this, and not to mention, like Christ is man, just flipped in everything right now. Like example of what God's showing us through Job's story of what his son, he gets his son was doing, does for us. And the way he forgives, like he said, his arms is always open wide. And then I know Romans 11:33, I didn't have it down. He says, Oh, the depth of his riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God. How infarchable are his judgments and unfathomable is his way. So, like like brother Pat was saying, we're not gonna understand everything. There are secrets to God, or whoever. I know he said something, I don't remember who else it was, but yeah, like he will reveal in his time what he wants for us. That's that's the way it is.
SPEAKER_05That's right, sister.
SPEAKER_03So good, so good, so loving, so forgiving.
SPEAKER_05Amen, sister. Good one. You're right, absolutely. Verse 12.
Twice As Much And The Children Question
SPEAKER_05Look at this. We're at the end of we're at the end of the tunnel here. So the Lord, verse 12, blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning. There's a lesson there. For he had 14,000 sheep, 6,000 camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses. Now, if you go back to the beginning, you will find out that it is absolutely truth. It is double what he had before. And so if you go back, you'll see that the numbers verify that when you go back. It's exactly the truth. And then it says he had also seven sons and three daughters. So God gave him seven more sons and three daughters. Now we remember, we recall that his all of his children perished. So what does this suggest to you? Why weren't these numbers doubled?
SPEAKER_00Because they were doubled in total. You got ten of them with the Lord.
SPEAKER_05Hold on, I got two people talking at the same time. So Meg and then Candy, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Well, he had 20 children in total. So in essence, it was doubled. You have 20 of them that will be with the Lord, but ten of them are with the Lord now. So in essence, it's double. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_05Yep, absolutely. Sister Candy, what were you gonna say? That's right. Absolutely.
Answering The Bible Contradiction Claim
SPEAKER_05And I gotta tell you, over time, over time, it became it became not so much one of my strong suits in terms of apologetics as a discipline, because the more and more I just read the scriptures and handled the scriptures, you see how impossible it is for it to be inconsistent. And Job's whole, this whole thing with Job is a perfect example of this. It's a perfect example of this. You know, like you could easily conclude somebody who doesn't know the word of God can read this passage and they can say, see, see, the Bible is contradiction. It says here that God gave Job twice what he had before. Well, how come you don't have how come he doesn't have twice the children? But see, only a Christian with spiritual eyes and a spiritual heart would understand what these two ladies just said, which is the truth. Those ten children that Job had that perished, they may have perished, but that was only physical. Job understood, according to Job 19, 25, that there is a resurrection day coming. And no doubt he understood that the children that he lost, he would see them again, and that they were very much alive. So here he gets seven more sons and three daughters, and in that regard, he had twice the number of kids that he had in the beginning. He has he has twice that he had from the ones that he that he lost, as uh Meg and Candy said. That's absolutely the truth, brother Pat and then Meg.
SPEAKER_04You know, Brother Jonathan, what you're touching on is is something that is naturally frustrating to the natural man. I it reminds me of when uh the disciples uh got frustrated and asked Jesus, Jesus, why are you speaking in parables? Just tell the people plainly, and then they'll believe. And the answer that Jesus gives them is something most people don't want to hear.
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SPEAKER_04It's been given to you to believe. Right. Oh man. I speak in parables so that hearing them they won't hear. Right? Yep. It's the scriptures are for us. Yep.
SPEAKER_05It is given for you to be it is given to you to believe. Amen, brother Pat. Amen. Fire as always. Sister May, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00You know, you mentioned Job 19, 24 through 29 again. And I was I went back to that as I often do because to me that's just so powerful. And I started to meditate on that scripture. And you know, the same thing that Job said in chapter 19, 24 through 25, 29, is the same thing we as believers are saying on the other side of the cross. See, it was Job saying it before the cross, and now it's believers, us, who are saying the same thing on this side of the cross. Though my skin may worm and my flesh, I know that in my flesh I will see God. It's the exact same thing. And it is so cool to know that although Job didn't see the Lord resurrect, he stated this. And although us as believers didn't witness the resurrection, we're essentially saying the same thing on both ends of the cross, which is so fire to me.
SPEAKER_05Yep, it's amazing. It really is. It's really beautiful. It really is. The word of God that we have, I mean, when you consider this, when you when it when it really resonates with your soul that God gave us his words, he actually, the creator of all things, he gave us his word, and we get to read and get to see a glimpse of his mind and how it works. Just a glimpse. But it's far more than we could fathom, even what he gave us. And it takes it takes the whole body of Christ to scratch the surface of all these things that are so glorious, and that's and let alone live according to it. It's just it's just it's it's overwhelming when you understand that he that he that he chose to give us understanding of his word, like Pat brought up. That he chose to do that to us. He could have left us in the dark, he could have spoken in parabolic ways and and hold us accountable for not understanding those things. But he he reveals them to us. So in verse 12, so the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than in his beginning. And we he had his sons and his daughters, and he says that he called the name of the first of his daughters, that is, Jemimah, and the name of the second, Kiziah, and the name of the third, Karenhapuch. Don't even ask me how to pronounce that right. And in all the land there were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job, and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
Daughters Receive The Inheritance Too
SPEAKER_05This is beautiful here. Now, let me ask you guys a question. It says here that Job gave his daughters an inheritance among their brethren. What do you think the significance of that is? One at a time. Anybody want to try who wants to try it first? What what do you read into this? What can you glean from this?
SPEAKER_02I think that it means that back then it was the men that received everything. And so, but Job put his daughter included his daughters in it.
SPEAKER_05Okay. So, so, all right. Anything else?
SPEAKER_02No. Not at this moment.
SPEAKER_05Sister Child, what do you think? What can you gather from this? What's what significance does this but does this come bring to your mind?
SPEAKER_01I think it's very significant. I'm reminded of neither male nor female, but all are one in Christ. Yes. Job, he treated his daughters as his heirs also. Right.
SPEAKER_05And if it and and what and what significance does this bear if we see if we see Job as a type of Christ.
SPEAKER_02Male and female.
SPEAKER_05And we are all fellow heirs, joint heirs with Christ, male or female, like Sister John says. So in Christ, we are we we we all receive the inheritance. We all are blessed the same. And so and he makes no distinction. And so we see this even with in even in the case of Job and his children. You know, and so Job's blessing was better at the end of his life, but then he goes on to live for a long time. And his wealth is restored in double measure. We see that as well. And he gets his children, and he mentions his daughters, and he and he and he shows his generosity and that he and that they are made like Mexes. We are co-heirs with Christ, and this is what Job is pointing out. This is what this book is showing us, that all of us are co-heirs and joint heirs with Christ, and heirs to receive the inheritance of God the Father. And so we see this beautiful picture that is painted, and if you really understand it, it's going to give us all a better understanding of what Christ has done for us. And it's just it's just a beautiful thing. And now we come to the last two verses, verses 16 to 17. After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years, and he saw his sons and his sons' sons, even four generations. So Job died being old and full of days. So the book the book ends with Job having a long and peaceful life with all of his family, an extended family. He lives many years after his trial and he sees multiple generations of his family. And so the conclusion of this book shows that though God's people may suffer greatly for a time, God's purposes are always wise, are always good, and he is able to restore and to bless us all in the end as he promised he would.
Closing Job And Personal Takeaways
SPEAKER_05Be provoked and be persuaded. We have concluded the book of Job. So now let's talk about thoughts about Job. What things you know, highlights, setbacks, things that it made you feel, things that it made you regret, things that it made you hopeful for, whatever, whatever's on your mind. I'll go around. I'll start with you, Sister Vanessa. What what has been your let's talk about what Job, the impact the book has made on us during this study.
SPEAKER_02Well, first of all, to trust him. And that he loves us so much that he will do anything for us, even if we think that we've done something bad to God. And also today, or well, this morning, when I was driving back, you know, the other day we were talking about seeing God in everything, you know. And I was driving back today, you know, when I was it was early morning and it was beautiful. The sky was just absolutely amazing this morning. And everything I saw, I just put God in it, you know. The trees, the flowers, the wheat, you know, everything. And I just I felt so blessed to know that God loved me. Like He did Joe. You know, and and it was just it was amazing for me. And so you know, but I've learned I learned a lot in this because I didn't really know a whole lot about Joe. I mean, I've read it I don't know how many times, but to try to get in depth with it, I couldn't go there for some reason. I don't know why. But from uh for us being in this book, it's really taught me a lot.
SPEAKER_05Right. Amen, sister. Amen. Sister Sean, how about you?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just dive for this with this book, just diving into God's sovereignty and how we really are grasshoppers. And how, you know, looking at Job's transformation, Job says it himself that I heard of you. You know, he had a secondhand knowledge, but now I see you, this direct encounter showing us showing us that suffering becomes a place where intellectual faith is refined into experiential faith. Wow. And not just not just because suffering is good, but it becomes revealing for us. And that is why ultimately suffering is important because it brings us closer to our creator. That's right. And so, you know, and it says Job died being old and full of days. That that brought up a flag in me because I read that somewhere else. Um, with Abraham, Isaac, and David, they say the same thing: full of years, full of days. It it signifies a completion that only God can do. That's right. And so this has been a great book for me.
SPEAKER_05Excellent. Excellent words. Sister May, go ahead.
Rest In Christ And God’s Verdict
SPEAKER_05You wanted to read something?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was it there's like a couple more verses in 17 that's in the that's in the Septuagint.
SPEAKER_05Go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00It says, so it said the verse says, And Job died an old man and full of days, and as it is written, that he shall rise again with the ones whom the Lord shall rise up. This man is described by the Syriac book as dwelling in the land of Oze on the borders of Edom and Arabia, and his name before was Jobab. And having taken an Arabian wife, he fathered the son, whose name was Enon, and he himself had a father, Zarah, and the sons of Esau, and his mother was Basorah, and that it made him fifth from Abraham. And these were the kings who were ruling in Edom, which territory also he himself ruled. First Bella, the son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dinaba, and after Bella Jobab, who was called Job, and after this Husham, who was serving as a leader from the territories of Thymon, and after this Hadad, son of Barerad, who destroyed Midian in the fields of Moab, and the name of his city was Aviath. And the friends who came to him were Eliphaz, the sons of Esau, king of the Temenites, Bildad the tyrant of the Shuites, and Zophar the king of the Namathites. It's really interesting. I I think that I am so thankful that we went through this at the pace that we did. And the biggest conclusion that I've learned is more so about God and his sovereignty, that no matter what we go through in this life, I truly understand what it means to rest in Christ. And that the peace that surpasses all understanding is not something that we simply pray for. It's something that has been in us. And once we understand the rest that we have in God and in his hand, this is where the word of God starts to come alive, and where he says, My yoke, he says, Take my yoke upon you, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. And this book has given me so much peace. And the second thing is that I learned is if God declares you righteous, in his eyes you are righteous. You cannot make yourself righteous, but if the Lord God makes you righteous, and because he declared that about Job from the very beginning, he always saw Job as righteous. The hedge over his soul was never lifted. And it's just reassurance for us that when the Lord Jesus Christ justified us and imputed us his righteousness, that when we are deemed that way and viewed that way in the eye of God, that we are always going to be viewed that way.
SPEAKER_04That's right, sir, sir.
SPEAKER_00And that is phenomenal to me. I could tell you so many more things. I can't believe throughout this journey how many times I've spoken to other people and went back to Job, but great book. I would do it all over again, and we would probably learn something new.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, oh, for sure. No doubt. There'd be so much more to there's so much more to learn from it as well. No doubt. But good, good, good assessment. Excellent assessment. Brother Jeff.
Don’t Be Like Job’s Friends
SPEAKER_06Well, Jonathan, I tell you, uh I we've learned a lot here about Job and how he dealt with what God was allowing in his life. But Jonathan, I've also learned a lot from his three friends. And there's a lesson here for us. And that lesson is when something happens to someone we love that is borders on disastrous, how do we respond? What did Job's friends do? Did they bring him food? No. Did they bring him clothing? No. Did they bring him anything? Did they bring him a cup of water for crying out loud? No. What did they do? They showed up and started condemning him and accusing him and doing all the terrible things that they did and what God called them out here for in chapter 42. That's what they did. And so my thought is the fact that there's two lessons here. Yes, God was faithful to Job. Absolutely, he was. And Job, as we see now, he's been rewarded double for all that happened to him. But at the same time, going back to what you were talking about earlier tonight, humility, we need to be careful that we don't fall into the trap, Jonathan, of being like Job's three friends. As we were saying a few chapters back, don't be a bildad. You know, we got to be careful that we're not bildads. When something happens, we see something going on with somebody, don't be so quick to rush to judgment. Right. And I'm saying that, Jonathan, and everybody in the panel because tragically, I'm guilty of it. I've done it. And I've had to seek forgiveness of it. So let us all just also be a little bit more open minded when things have to people. Don't be so quick to judge. You know what I mean? Like Job's friends did. They immediately assumed that he was guilty of sin up to his eyeballs. No. They didn't even bother to ask. They just judged him. Let's be