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LIVE: Exposition of Job Concludes (Job 42), Part 4/4
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Suffering can scramble your instincts fast. You start scanning for the mistake, the hidden sin, the quick fix, the reason God must be disappointed. We close out our seven month Bible study through the Book of Job by slowing all that down and returning to the most stabilizing truth we can say out loud: God is sovereign. Not vaguely in charge, not watching from a distance, but ruling over every detail with real purpose, even when the purpose is not immediately visible.
We talk about what waiting does to faith and why “joy comes in the morning” is not sentiment, it is training. We share how easy it is to take our eyes off God like Peter on the water, how self-condemnation grows in the noise of hardship, and why Scripture keeps telling us to guard our hearts. From there, we confront the prosperity gospel impulse in Job’s friends, the idea that blessing proves righteousness and pain proves guilt. Job exposes that as bad theology and bad pastoral care, and the ending flips the scoreboard in a way that should sober all of us.
Then we connect the dots to the gospel through covenant and prophecy, comparing a works-driven mindset to the covenant of grace, and reading Isaiah 53 as the key that makes Job shine. Job is a shadow, Christ is the substance. When we see the suffering servant “smitten of God and afflicted,” the Book of Job stops being a puzzle to solve and becomes a witness that leads us to Jesus.
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Job’s Final Takeaway: God Is Sovereign
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think we don't do that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think I think that I think that that you what you said is true. I mean, having having this perspective, which I think that we that we really we really talked about this quite a bit in terms of seeing what we can learn from his friends, from you know, from the from the from all four of them. You know, there was something to be learned from all of them. And uh there's something to be learned about even how the devil works. There's something to be learned about how to bear up under this the affliction, humility. But ultimately speaking, we we we come to a conclusion, we ought to anyway, we come to a conclusion, which is the conclusion that Job actually comes to, which is that God is sovereign, that he is over all and in all and and governs all, and there's nothing left to chance. Nothing. And so Job understands this now. And so, well, he certainly understands it now for sure, but I mean he in this story, he about his life, he he he got to a point where he had to go through this affliction and this trial that he went through because God was setting him up to be elevated later. And and so, and we see that now, and and it and and what one another thing this goes to show us is that you have to wait. The day is coming, joy comes in the morning, as the psalmist writes. And so the later end in our lives, this is a time where we should be expected to be wiser and to be more faithful and to and to expect rewards to come later. Just because it doesn't come now, you know, we have to wait and and with great expectation that our hope is coming. Our hope is going to come. We have to watch. And so it really is overall a book about God Himself. And and I know that we we all have so many different angles that we look at this whole thing. That's why going around is good because we get this collective perspective that allows us to shed light on this from so many different angles of it, and and it's just such a blessing.
Keeping Your Eyes On God
SPEAKER_04Sister Lisa, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00Well, I was I I have to just agree with everybody, everything that everyone was has already said. There are so many lessons in this book, it blessed me so, so very much. And I think it it came in a timely manner. One of the things, and I'm just thinking about it now, is our eyes have to be kept on God. And like you said, just be still in the waiting, don't jump to conclusions. You know, I think of Peter, what happened when when Jesus was walking on the water and he called Peter out of the boat, and Peter started walking, and all of a sudden he let everything surrounding him take his eyes off of the Lord. That's what happened to me. And it's a huge lesson for me that things are so much bigger when we take our eyes off of God and forget who holds us. And you know, when I hear other Christians who don't like his sovereignty, it's it's craziness to me because that's where I find the most comfort.
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SPEAKER_00Knowing that no matter what, I I'm in his hand. It is him. If I'm suffering, if I'm, you know, whatever it may be, he holds me, he upholds me, I should say. So I think it's the most beautiful thing, God's sovereignty.
SPEAKER_04Amen. Absolutely.
Worth, Humility, And Guarding Your Heart
SPEAKER_04Yep, Sister Candy. Your thoughts.
SPEAKER_02First and foremost, it just hit me like God created everything good. So for us, when we go through bad times, sometimes we we down ourselves and we talk about how not good we are. What is our worth, you know what I'm saying? So it's like don't do that. Don't don't don't do what Job did in those circumstances. You know what I'm saying? Because in a way, it's almost think that that's kind of what God was rebuking him on too. You know what I'm saying? The most beautiful part is just knowing that God's in in control of everything. And you know, back in the beginning of this, I I even said, you know, I used to I used to say, God, why did I get myself back in this? Why did I put myself through this, you know? But if it wasn't meant for me to be there and experience it, he wouldn't have allowed me to have been there to experience it, to learn from it. Right.
SPEAKER_04Right, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02It's it's he and his great will, purpose, plans for his good pleasures. It is he who is my master.
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SPEAKER_02And I shall serve him. It's it's just beautiful how the whole book of Job just kind of gives you an insight of the world, people in it, ways of ways of the world. Guard your heart. Guard your heart. When he says guard your heart for a reason, because out of it come the issues of life. That is so true. Right. Brother, brother, encouraging servant, you you said something, and it just made me s want to say Don't point at the speck in somebody else's eye before you get the plank out of your own. When you said that a while ago about his friends accusing someone, you know what I'm saying? It was just like that, that is, I just there's a joke behind that, Vanessa. I'm pretty sure you got that. But um, anyway.
SPEAKER_04All right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Good word,
Why The Prosperity Gospel Fails
SPEAKER_04sister. Sister Mariah, your thoughts.
SPEAKER_06It's been a long, long time coming.
SPEAKER_05It was we we've been in this book for quite quite some time, and it was a joyous time I had just going through this book. And like Sister Meg said, I'm sure if we were to ever go it through it again or just even read a few verses, we would come to a deeper revelation than the one that we have already gotten. And so something that I take away from this is God's sovereignty. Obviously, that's like number one. But the that God's relationship is not transactual. And I think that in the end, that his friends, I'm sure they were wealthy. I'm sure they had, you know, some type of prosperity in their life, and yet they were accounted in sin. So this whole entire thing that they were going off of is that your prosperity has been taken from you because you're in sin. And if you do well and you repent, then it would be given back to you. And just to know that it came around full circle that he says that actually, no, it wasn't him that was, but it is you that are. And and you are yet in your prosperity and he has nothing. And and you know, he had they had having to come to him when he had nothing, absolutely nothing, and and for them to be restored to God just, you know, just it just came around full circle for me. And I just thought that that was amazing. So that's something that I I definitely took away from from this.
SPEAKER_04That is an excellent insight. Excellent insight. How did the prosperity gospel work for them? It didn't. Because you're right, they we can assume that they were wealthy because they they talked about Job losing his wealth as a result of his sin. And they couldn't be saying that unless they themselves had it. And so they believed that they things were going great for them because they didn't they didn't suffer loss like Job did. But you're right. We find out at the end that if were it not for Job, they would be bankrupt of their souls on top of everything else. That's a very good, very good perspective on that. Very, very good. Excellent. Brother Pat.
Covenant Of Law Versus Covenant Of Grace
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm Jonathan, if you'll just give me a minute, I really want to say something important. If you've ever listened to me on anything, please at least consider what I'm about to say here. Because this concept is so important. When God makes his covenant with Abraham, he puts Abraham into a slumber. So it's not by Abraham's works. God himself walks through the halves of the animals, swears upon his own name because there's no name higher. And so the curse is upon his head. The blood is upon his head. Sounds a lot like he became a curse for us, right? You have that covenant with Abraham. You have another covenant that happens with the nation of Israel in the wilderness, where Moses comes down with the Ten Commandments. The first time he smashes them because they're broken before he gets there. He brings them down, and this time the people swear that they're gonna keep it. We accept these laws as to do them. May the blood be upon our heads and that of our children.
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SPEAKER_01So you've got, do you see this? You have a covenant of a law that is a curse because it you will do, do, do. It's on you to do it. Or you have a covenant of Christ and the curse is on him, in which he keeps it. Well, let's let's look at these friends really quick. What were the accusations that they were making against Job? The things he did, accusations of law, la. And I want people to see this about these friends. They're under a curse, right? And Job is a person that has that same type of faith as Abraham.
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SPEAKER_01And the only place he erred is when he got sucked into talking about himself. Sounds a little bit like the children of Israel in the wilderness, right? Yep. Okay, so we see that law brings death, right? And faith in Christ brings life. But there's something else to this that I see here, Jonathan. The friends who were under the law, salvation is offered to them on behalf of the one in faith. Right. Doesn't that sound a lot like the Jews rejected? Are you guys seeing this? Oh, absolutely. The Jews who lived under the law and the curse under the law, and yet God doesn't turn his back on them on account of Christ, even though they were wrong and an iniquity under the law, on behalf of Jesus, repentance is offered on his behalf, and he makes atonement for them. Right. Wow. So, yeah, that that's what I wanted to say about that.
SPEAKER_04Amen, brother. Well, let me let me let me read something in Isaiah.
Isaiah 53 And Job As A Shadow
SPEAKER_04Something very familiar to us all. Isaiah 53. And I'm just gonna just read down. Who has believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? Now speaking about Christ, he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, as a root out of dry ground. He has no form nor a comeliness. When we see when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. No beauty. He is despised and rejected of men. A man of sorrows, acquainted with grief, and we hid, as it were, our face our faces from him. He was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows, yet we did esteem him listen to this stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. And afflicted. Look for Job in all of this. He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes we are healed. All of us, like sheep, have gone astray, we have turned everyone to his own way. And the Lord has laid upon him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth. He is brought out, he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment who shall declare his generation. For he was cut off out of the land of the living for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And I'll just stop there because we know this is talking about Christ. This is probably one of the most glorious chapters about him in the entire scriptures. But I wanted to point out, and we all know that when when that when a person in the Bible is put forth clearly as a type of Christ, we also know that that person, that type, falls short of what our Christ would actually be. And Job serves as this shadow of which Christ is the substance. And what made me come here was was was looking at the the part about him being smitten and afflicted. And it says this was done by God. He was esteemed stricken, smitten of God and afflicted. And Job had this type of an experience serving, like I said, as a type. And Christ would yet be a a fulfillment of this. Job didn't lose his life. Job didn't die. Job was given more years after his affliction. But our Lord came and he was struck down, and he and he was crucified, and then he was raised. But he took upon all of us, he took upon himself all of our sins. He was wounded for our transgressions. And he, because we have all gone astray, and all of us have turned one to his own way, and yet the Lord laid upon him the iniquity of us all. And our sin. It is because of our sin that he was oppressed. It's because of our sin that he was afflicted. And yet he opened not his mouth. We know Job opened his mouth and he spoke foolishly against God. But Christ did not open his mouth, and he was brought to the slaughter. He was brought as a lamb to the slaughter and as a sheep before the shears, he remained dumb and did not open his mouth. Job is a is a fragment of this picture of Christ. And Christ being the fulfillment of all these things. And so when you look at Job, we see we see flickers of the light of Christ in his life and what he and what he and what he was showing forth in Christ. And if we miss this part of it, none of the book makes any sense. But we have to understand that all that we read, if it doesn't render Christ to us more conspicuous and more illustrious in our minds and in our hearts, more so than it was before we started this book, it was a waste of time for you. But I know better. I know that we all had gained tremendous understanding about our Lord in ways that we didn't know when we started this book, and we certainly know now. And so, you know, it's just a it's it's such a blessing to get to a book like this when so many people don't even read the Bible at all, let alone the Old Testament. But we sat through this whole thing for seven months, and we all looked forward to it. I know I did, every meeting that we had on this.
Romans Next And No Skipped Chapters
SPEAKER_04And so I'm going to lighten the load, and we're gonna do it Romans next.
SPEAKER_05Is that really lightening it? Not from L.
SPEAKER_04Lighten the load. Yeah, but uh lightening it.
SPEAKER_05I think you meant to say double the load, double it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_07We're all already studying in Romans.
SPEAKER_04I know you are I'm in trouble now because I know you guys are all studying. Meg, I know you want to see something good.
SPEAKER_01Jonathan, I do have one question about about your study in Romans. Are you gonna do what most American churches do and skip chapters one through three and chapter nine? You're gonna you just skip over there, you go right through four through through eight, and then you skip nine.
SPEAKER_04No, we'll we'll we'll probably be we'll probably be seven months each on those sections.
SPEAKER_01And for those who have never been in a non-denominational church like a big one, they actually do that. They actually do that. You they'll be going along through the book of Romans, and you'll be finished, you'll wrap up Romans chapter eight, and all of a sudden you come back next week and you're on Romans chapter 10. What happened to Romans 9? You know, start it and that happened my entire life. You know that growing up in Calvary Chapel, uh Jonathan, they would start their study in Romans in chapter 4. Not even starting chapter 1, which is just wow.
SPEAKER_04Romans gonna be a chap. Go ahead, May, go ahead. So sorry.
SPEAKER_07It's okay. I just wanted to tell you in Isaiah 53, what you just read, you also see limited atonement because in verse 12 it says, because of this he will cause many to inherit, and he will appropriation the spoils of the mighty, because his soil was given over to death, and he was reckoned among the lawless, and he himself bore the sins of many, and he was handed over because of their lawlessness. It doesn't say all, ladies and gentlemen.
SPEAKER_04No, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get into Romans too. And and I want to I and if if if listen we we're gonna get into Romans, and I finally finished the the the outline yesterday for the whole book, but I'm also working on, like I said, I'm gonna do revelation on on the weekends on Sundays. And so forgive me in advance if I'm a little more strict on these books, because there's a lot that goes into both of them, and I'm trying to tackle them both, and so I'm gonna be very direct. I'm really gonna I'm really gonna tug at your your Hearts and minds a lot to to to to to get into it. So it'll be fun. I don't want to frighten anybody about it, but it's it's it'll be a lot of fun. So but I but I really want people to to read ahead. I really want you to have good insights, and I really want you to really contribute to the conversation and just make sure that what we're talking that what we're gonna be talking about, I want to stick, I want you to stick to the text. Stick to the text. And and it'll be fun. It'll be a lot of fun. And the reason why I say this is because you we all know that there's gonna be a lot of people with a whole lot of ideas, preconceived notions or whatever. And all I'm saying, all I'm gonna say is open your minds and and and and and try to really see what I'm gonna try to get at. You know, and and and if and hopefully the Lord will be merciful to me to make it to be as articulate as I possibly can, and it'll be another fun experience. But so far, we put down two great books with uh Galatians and now Job and we'll continue this this journey together. And and I'm telling you, you guys and everybody that's in the chat that I know listen on a regular basis, there's so many of you, and uh and I know because I hear from from a lot of people, and uh and I am blessed to be able to do this, and I'm blessed to do this with all of you.
SPEAKER_07So can we get our certificate of completions in the mail and then you get that with the Lord returns? We are Job certified. Yeah, glory to God.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean it it it definitely, you know, I I the the beauty of this thing is that when you go through that book again, it's just gonna be uh, you know, another big uh blessing for you when you go through it again. And and I'm sure you'll all go through it many more times before you exit this life, as I hope to as well. But I can't begin to tell you, like I was stressing out all week on this trip, and I didn't, you know, it it didn't dawn on me that the time zone in Mexico is the same zone time zone where I am now. So I didn't know that. I didn't it didn't it didn't hit me until I got there. And then that being the dinner time of my wife's family and everything else, so it made it it made it next to impossible. So but I had to get uh Sister Savannah's uh testimony, so I had to be excused in order to get that done. But anyway, but thank you for your patience. And I'm finally glad we got done with Job and looking forward to the next books that we do together. So it's been a great night, everybody. With that, we will close. Mariah, the kids around.
SPEAKER_06No, they're not. All right. I'll get them back on schedule, though.
SPEAKER_04No problem, no problem.
Testimonies, Plans, And Closing Prayer
SPEAKER_04And everybody, I don't know if you saw yet, but I I'm gonna uh Evie is gonna give her testimony on June 9th. So I'm looking forward to that as well. Because we might get the double whammy, we might get her testimony and her to sing at the same time. So I'm looking forward to that. Brother Jeffrey, would you mind closing this out?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. And Jonathan, let me also add real quick, if I may. Hey guys, if you're thinking about coming out in August, get your plans made. Joni and I have been working like crazy getting ready for you all. It's gonna be awesome, it's gonna be glorious. God's gonna be glorified. Going to have a lot of fun. So hope you can be here for that. Father, we just thank you tonight for this incredible study that we have completed. How you have guided the hand that guided and protected Job is the same hand that has guided us and protected us and enlightened us through this study. That's your hand. The hand of providence, the hand of protection, the hand of guidance, love, grace, mercy, all of the things, Lord, that you are, and we're so grateful for that. Thank you that you restored Job back to twice what he had before. And Lord, you are so faithful to us that through the cross you have restored that and more to all of us. We thank you for Jonathan for all of the time and effort that we went into this study to present it to all of us, how it's made us all think, how it has sharpened us, how it has caused all of us, Lord, to be better servants and instruments for your glory. We just give you thanks now, Lord. Thank you for everyone here tonight, for everyone who's been a part of this panel over the last seven months, who's contributed things, Lord, that have made us all think about who and where we are. Lord, we just give you the thanks and the praise now tonight. We we look forward to getting into Romans, hearing what Paul had to say to the church at Rome, and how we can apply that to our lives as well. We give you the glory, the honor, and the thanks. We give it all in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
SPEAKER_06Amen.
SPEAKER_04Thank you everybody. This has been this has been a great accomplishment for us all. It really has been. I don't want you to underestimate it. It's really a beautiful thing that we that we did this, and it and it shows to me, as I'm sure it does to you, that that a lot of good can come out of a platform such as this. And we are showing that daily. So um, so God bless you all. And I am so grateful. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07We've been through Thanksgiving, Christmas, Jonathan's birthday, my birthday, other people's birthdays, and now here's the biggest. Oh, yeah, yours is September. Yours came before. But yeah, we've been through a lot. This has been great. I I really pray that we can just continue to just go through the word of God just like this, because man, it's great. Thank you, brother, for doing this. And you needed that vacation because we're gonna be we're gonna be holding you accountable. We're on we're gonna be on five days a week, ready to roll. I know you are.
SPEAKER_04I know you guys are. I gotta, I gotta get, I gotta get, I gotta get ready because I know you guys are reading ahead. But uh, you know what? But this is one, this is a case where I want you to get ahead. Because I want you, I want everybody to bring something to the table when we talk about it. So, you know, try to get at least two or three chapters in and try to stay a couple chapters ahead of me and and be ready to you know to bring some some meaningful uh points to the table to talk about. Because I'm not gonna pull any punches on the book of Romans at all. And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna skip over anything. So be assured of that. But it's uh it will be a blessing that I'm sure. And and but you guys, you guys are great students and great people to have fellowship with, and I love you very much. This is this I don't know, this was such a big one to me. I think because it's such a big book, and it's not the typical type of studies that people have, but your patience and and your diligence and in applying yourself is is is impressive and it's a blessing to me. So that being said, be provoked and be persuaded.
SPEAKER_06Amen.
SPEAKER_00Good night, lovely guys. Are we starting tomorrow? Are we starting tomorrow?
SPEAKER_04I'm going to try to, but I have to I have to get on another plane tomorrow morning, as a matter of fact. But I think I will be doing it tomorrow as well, too. But if not tomorrow, definitely the next day, and then we'll be consistent going forward.
SPEAKER_07So let's just start it on Friday then, Jonathan. Don't be pressured, okay? We that's the last thing that we want for you, too. You know?
SPEAKER_04Well, what I'm what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make sure that if if once I'm once I'm certain that we have it, I'm gonna put it up on that, you know, the invite so everybody knows. So because I want to I don't want to put those up there and have to cancel them. That's what I'm trying not to, that's what I'm trying to avoid. I want to if I put it up there, I want it to be because I'm sticking to it. So we'll see how it goes. But um, but God bless you, and we will all get to it. And you guys have a good good night tonight. All right.
SPEAKER_07I'm glad you made it home safe, brother. You and Rox.
SPEAKER_04Thanks, sister. Oh, by the way, Meg, I heard something you said today to some guy on the uh I was putting away the laundry, and I heard you talk to some guy about why he was in prayer to God and God wasn't hearing him or whatever. And I forgot what it was about, but but your words to him were dead on. Keep it up, sister, and everybody. Yeah. All right, you guys, take it easy. God bless you, have a good night, and looking forward to the first chapter of Romans.
SPEAKER_05Good night, guys.
SPEAKER_04Good night.