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“Why do you call Me good?” sounds like a simple question, but we argue it’s one of the most confrontational lines Jesus ever speaks because it forces the real issue: who do you think He is? We walk through Mark 10 and show why this isn’t Jesus denying His deity. It’s Jesus pressing the rich young ruler to realize that calling Him “good” isn’t polite religious flattery, it’s a claim about God Himself.

From there we zoom out to a problem we see all over the modern American church: conversion reduced to a ritual. Soft music, dim lights, “heads bowed, eyes closed,” the sinner’s prayer, and the altar call can create an emotional moment that feels like certainty. We don’t deny that God can save anyone anywhere, but we challenge the system that trains people to trust an action instead of trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ, including His identity as Lord, the Messiah, and His bodily resurrection. If someone thinks they’re saved but denies that Jesus is God, what exactly are they believing?

Then we come back to Jesus’ method with the rich young ruler. Jesus brings up the law, not as a ladder to climb into eternal life, but as a mirror that exposes the heart. The ruler claims obedience, so Jesus touches the one place he won’t surrender: possessions, status, and the idol underneath. Along the way, we debate whether monks and nuns “did what Jesus asked,” and we use that tension to clarify what real discipleship and allegiance to Christ actually mean.

If you care about biblical interpretation, the deity of Christ, salvation, and how church practices shape belief, listen through and weigh in. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review with your take: is the rich young ruler’s problem money, or worship?

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Why Jesus Questions “Good”

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the same. Basically, that he uh he was asking why are you calling me good? Not he's not saying that God Jesus is not saying that he's not good, he's asking him, does he realize by saying he is good is he identifying him as God?

SPEAKER_03

Right. You know, it it's it's so interesting because I said earlier, one of the reasons that made me want to talk about this is that is that there are so many people, Christians, people who call themselves Christians, who really believe that this is a verse where Christ is is proving that he is not deity by asking the rich young ruler, why do you call me good? as if he's saying, I'm not good, why are you calling me that? Yeah, this is what this is what a lot of Christians that people that say they're Christians really believe, especially those who don't believe in the deity of Christ, but yet call themselves Christians.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, well, the further the passage further goes on and explains that he is because he says he calls himself the good shepherd.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_02

Right. So he would have clearly said, Don't call me good, only God is good, if he was trying

Two Meanings Of Good In Greek

SPEAKER_02

to indicate that, clearly.

SPEAKER_03

Right, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

I will say though, the problem is, and I know I know you say yes that you don't need to know the Greek and Hebrew, but there are two words for good and Greek. And the problem is because we not say we, but because the church of the United States don't really know Greek, they won't, they they're not seeing this as clear is probably we're seeing it, like this good is intrinsic good versus the good shepherd is quality good. And so this is interesting, this is what is only we can say about God is God is intrinsic goodness.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Right. The other thing that I wanted to emphasize here is that with this rich young ruler, for those of you who weren't here at the beginning, you have the scenario where the rich young ruler sees, the rich young ruler sees Jesus in the distance, he comes running to him, then he kneels down to him, then he calls him good master, and then he asks the question, What must I do to inherit eternal life? And I was making a point about the modern American church, especially, where we have this, where a lot of these churches have this ritual that attends the end of their services, where they invite people to what we refer to as an altar call to come up to the front, say this prayer after a pastor or a minister or whoever, and

The Rich Young Ruler’s Big Ask

SPEAKER_03

then this prayer becomes a ritual by which people come to faith. Now, this practice I find to be a wicked practice.

SPEAKER_04

Do you think that it can ever be used in a good sense, or do you only see it only being used in wicked?

SPEAKER_03

Like I see it. I I me personally, I see it bad all the way around.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03

And here's the reason why. Even though I realize that some people may come to faith in spite of it, right? I really do believe that there are people who come to faith in spite of that. They were saved before they got up out of their seat. Okay? So I believe that they I believe that people were saved, but I believe that the ritual is a wicked ritual because it leads people who may not be saved to believe that they are by the act of going forward. You see what I mean? And these things were taught. Somebody mentioned Paz mentioned Billy Graham. This was a Billy Graham thing. I mean, and he would fill stadiums, yeah, fill stadiums. But what people don't realize is that at schools like the Moody Institute, for instance, they taught this. This was this was like what they call, this was like the the for the seminarians, part of the marketing strategy, basically, to bring people to the belief that they are part of now the church community. So they taught things like this. So if you if you you know, because a lot of seminaries still do it, they teach you how to compel people to become members by going through this this particular experience, and what they do is they're they'll do things like this. This the message was a strong message, let's say. They preach this message, and then at the end of the service, the music plays, they start playing some soft, soft music. Then the music plays, then they turn down the lights, and then the pastor starts saying, The Lord has told me that there are many people here that that need the Lord Jesus Christ, and you've been sitting here and you've been hearing this message, and I know the Lord is tugging at your heart. I know he's tugging at your heart, he's pulling at you, and the only thing that's holding you down is sin. Let that go and come forward. Slip your hand up in the air, heads bowed, eyes closed. If you want to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, slip that hand up in the air, and I'll see you. And then they'll start while you while everybody's heads are closed, whether hands are going up in the air or not, that man is going, I see you there. I see you there, I see you there, I see you there. And then he says, The Lord He wants you to come to him. He you've been waiting for this day. The Lord has been pulling on you, and now is your time to answer that call.

How Altar Calls Manufacture Certainty

SPEAKER_03

He's telling you that you are a sinner, and he's telling you that he is here to save you by grace, and then and then, and then what happens is they start, then he starts, they start stepping up the tempo, the crescendo of his voice starts raising up, and next thing you know, people are getting out of their seat and they're running up to the front like they lost their minds. It's emotional. Anybody that can speak, anybody that knows how to how to manage inflections. Somebody has a lot of noise in the background. If you mind muting it, if you if you're around a lot of noise, because it's it's affecting how we hear. Sure. So, and then if we when you want to come in, we'll just we'll just pop back in. That's okay. No problem, no problem. So, so now if you know how to play the game, you can get hordes of people running to the front front. And then they say this prayer and they tell you to say this prayer after me. And after they say the prayer, they tell you that such and such has some pamphlets they want to give you, or such and such wants to lead you to this other room to have a new believers discussion. Or they tell you that they want to have you, they want you to have or experience this second work of grace, which is a baptism of the Holy Spirit for those who are in the Pentecostal or charismatic movements, and then they tell you to come up to the front, start moving your lips and start speaking in tongues, and this is going to be the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Anyway, my point is most of you know what I'm talking about. And my point is this the rich young ruler in Mark chapter 10 was a prime candidate. A prime candidate. Nobody today would think this guy was not suited and primed to believe, to become a believer. They would have assumed that he his he's his heart is right. His heart is right. Now, let me ask you you, anointed one, what do you think about that so far?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so I am I agree with you. I think since prayer is wicked. I think one, I say prayers are work. Two, it's absent of Jesus being mentioned that he's God. They may say son of God, but at least in the United States, we have to define what that means, right? And saying things absent of him being the anointed one, the messiah, the king, right, and the bodily resurrection. So I've been blessed. But you mentioned Moody, I'm from Chicago. So I've been blessed. I was a former pastor because he just retired, uh, James Ford Jr., he never did that. He will say, This is the gospel, Jesus God, he became a man, he's the Messiah who died and rose from dead in the body. Right? And so anything outside of that, to me, it's evil. I I'm not I'm not gonna mention the other thing, but because I don't want to stir up anything, but sinner's prayer. I don't think anyone gets saved by a sinner's prayer.

SPEAKER_03

Brother, let me tell you something. On on my profile, say it. We're not here, we're not here to play soft with people. That's that's this is the problem with Christendic. Let say it. I want to hear it.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I'll even say accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. What's that? That's that accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. That gets programmed into Romans 10, 9.10 in the minds, and no one understands. Everybody thinks Lord means master, but Paul clarified that in Romans 10.13, quoting from Joe 2.32, that it's a reference to him being Yahweh. But in context, it's about recognizing that the Christ is Jesus and Yahweh risen from the dead bodily.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Right. So even that I think is like people don't get saved by that. They think they do because they have this change of life. But if you ask, is he God? they were gonna say no, and I say, Well, you're not saved.

SPEAKER_03

Right. And I and I agree with you because you know, when you look at this passage, and I'll ask you next, Fredo, what you think about this, and I'll get startight after that. But here's what's interesting. Because Jesus says to him, Why do you call me good? Only one is good, and that is God. And then Jesus goes on and says, Do you he goes, Do you know the commandments? Don't commit adultery, don't kill, steal, don't bear false witness, don't defraud or and honor your mother and father. And then the rich young ruler says, Master, all these things I have observed from my youth. But Jesus, beholding him, and it says he loved him, and he said unto him, one thing you lack. Go your way, sell whatsoever you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come and take up your cross and follow me. And it says that the rich young ruler went away sad and saying, I mean, went away sad at that saying, and he went away grieved because he had great possessions. And then Jesus turned around to his disciples and he says, How hardly shall they have riches, they have riches, enter into the kingdom of God. Now, here's here's my here's my take on this. Um, then I'm gonna go around and ask you guys, you know, your take on things, which is this. Come up to the front and say this prayer after me, and you're good. And then you can go in the back room and speak in tongues, and you'll be a Christian after that. But Jesus didn't do that. He did all those things, running, kneeling, bowing down, calling them good master. And Jesus brought up the law. He brought up the law.

Why Jesus Brings Up The Law

SPEAKER_03

Now, Fredo, question for you Why do you think Jesus brought up the law?

SPEAKER_02

So I want I want to say, I want to say a couple of things here. One in in relation to um, he said to them obviously, follow the commandments, obviously the ones that he'd spoken about. But what he also identified, he said, sell everything you have and come and follow me, right? Yep. So what God is saying is ultimately there is we can we're nothing we do is going to be good enough, but we need to give ourselves totally to him. But he also says, your riches will be in heaven. So there's a level of illumination and benefit we get in heaven by the amount of relationship and work we do with him. Now you look at you look at, for example, the the the monks and the nuns, they've literally done what Jesus asked that rich man to do. They've given up everything, all of their possessions, they've given it up and they've devoted their life to Christ. Their illumination will be, their treasures will be in heaven because they've literally given up their whole life for Christ. And so we we tr we try we should try and do be as best as we can and devote our life. Doesn't mean we have to give up everything, but ultimately, if we want to be in perfection and union with God to the most level of illumination, is we give up our life for him and devote our life to him. If we can't do that, we still have to follow what he's asked us to do.

SPEAKER_03

So let me so let me so let me ask you a question. Because you mentioned nuns. Yeah, I'm stupid. Somebody has a lot of noise in the background. Please mute it if you don't mind. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right, Fredo. So are you a Catholic? Uh no, I'm Orthodox. But but so, because you mentioned nuns. Yeah. So you think that nuns have given up everything for praise?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they literally to be a nun, to be a nun in the Orthodox Church or monk,

Selling Everything And Following Christ

SPEAKER_02

literally all of your possessions are given away, and you literally give up your life. You live in a in a monastery or convent, and you literally they literally pray every day for the world and to God. Every day.

SPEAKER_03

All right, Brian is me. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00

Right. Do me a favor, because I'm in bed and I don't have anything beside me. Can you read? I I want to point something out that's very important in in this passage. Can you read out the part after Jesus brings up the law, please?

SPEAKER_03

Well, Jesus brings Oh, he says, he tells a ritual ruler, he goes in verse 19, you know the commandments, do not commit adultery, do not kill, do not steal, do not bear false witness, defraud not, and honor thy father and thy mother.

SPEAKER_00

And after that?

SPEAKER_03

And after that, he says, he says, and he answered him and said, Master, I've done all these things, I've observed these things from my youth. Then Jesus, beholding him, loved him and said, One thing you lack. Go thy way, sell whatsoever you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come take up thy cross and follow me.

SPEAKER_00

Boom, there it is, right? So the rich man was trying to tell Jesus that it so when a Jew says that he observes the law, it means that they kept the law, right? Right. So the rich man, now the law was used as to point us to Christ. Nobody can uphold the law, right? So the rich man believed that he did uphold the law, and then Jesus said to sell everything he has. This was not just possessions, this was also whatever knowledge, whatever understanding that he had that made him believe that he upheld the law. And then Jesus specifically says, For you will have riches in heaven. The riches in heaven is the not the true knowledge of God, the true understanding of who God is, what he truly means, true love and his fulfillment. This is what Jesus wanted that man to say. Right, this is what he wanted him to get rid of.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly right. Now, so let me ask you this question, then one more I mean I wanted you to continue with this, Brian, because our brother here, Fredo, he's talking about nuns, and he's equating what Jesus, he he's what Fredo is saying, and Fredo, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that nuns and the nunnery, that they were this rich young ruler did not comply with what Christ was saying. You're saying that these nuns have complied. Is that is that a proper understanding?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. And it doesn't it doesn't mean that it doesn't, and as I said, you know, we know from from the writings in the Bible, there'll be there'll be mansions in heaven, there'll be different mansions based on what we've done and how the things, the relationship we've had with God, how we've followed his word and his commandments, and to the level we have done that. So we'll be illumined by his love accordingly. So someone who so so literally the nuns and the monks, they've literally done the very thing that Jesus asked the rich man to do. They've literally given up all of their possessions and followed him, and they're now living in a convent or a monastery, and they've devoted their lives to Christ and to the world by praying, because that's what they do. They pray for the world and the salvation of the world, and they pray to God every day. They've literally devoted their total life to God.

SPEAKER_03

There are there are so many different angles that I can comment this at because I disagree with you, honestly, brother. I disagree with you about nunneries and monks and all these kinds of things. And I gotta tell you, for example, they take on a vow where they are where they forbid themselves to be married. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, what Paul said ultimately do the best thing to do is be like me. No, well, Paul said that's not what Paul said. Have a read of it. I said the best thing is to do is be like me, but if you can't, marry.

SPEAKER_03

Hold on, hear me out for a second. Hold on. Paul did not teach that. Paul, what Paul taught was that if that is something that you are compelled to do, then do it.

Monks And Nuns As A Test Case

SPEAKER_03

He wasn't commanding people who want to be married not to be married, or vice versa. Let let let's look at let's read the scripture and say wait, wait, wait, wait. Just hold on for a second. I know you want to go, I know you want to go there. I know you angels to go there, but I want to keep this organized and keep it calm. So just we'll go. Sure, sure. We'll go where you want to go. So get your verse ready and we'll and we'll go there. So what I want to ask you, it it what I want to ask you is this before, but I don't want to go too far off into the weeds, but I want to I want to ask you, since you're talking about this, to explain this when you start giving your answer when you start giving your answer. Can I can I add to this? Yeah, sure. Go for it. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

All right, portion it in.

SPEAKER_03

Go ahead, Christian, Christian.

SPEAKER_00

Can't hear you when you're off, DR.

SPEAKER_03

Christian, are you there? I think you I think you disappeared. Okay, hello. Yes, you had something you wanted to say, right?

SPEAKER_05

Yes. There's a verse that I like. It's from John 1, chapter 2, 15. It says, do not love the world or the things in the world. I can't I can't get it off the top of my head right now. It's in if I try to log out.

SPEAKER_03

Well, hold on, hold on. Let's do this. Tell me what you're gonna say.

SPEAKER_05

It's he's saying, do not do not do not love the world or the things in the world, the lust of the flesh, the the lust of the eyes, the pride of life. It's not of the father, it's of the world. There's whoever loves the world and the things in the world does not have the love of the father in them.

SPEAKER_03

But what are you supporting? What are you what what what side are you taking in this whole thing with like nunneries and monks and things like that?

SPEAKER_05

As opposed to as I I'm just uh chiming in on what we're talking about, the the verse that you said where he asked the rich man to give up all his possessions. Right and so when it comes to the nun and giving giving up all your possessions, there's another, there's another there's another there's another rich man that actually approaches Jesus and he approaches him himself and he says, Hey, I have sold half of my things and donated it to the poor. Right. And I have, he says, and I'll I'm willing to sell the other half if I have to, but I left that half to my family, so so my family, so it'll be able to take care of my family. And he said that he's there for salvation for his family, not for himself. So he says, I just seek in the kingdom of heaven for my family. And then Jesus says, Come on then, come follow me.

SPEAKER_03

All right, hold on.

SPEAKER_05

Let's give half of his things.

SPEAKER_03

All right, hold on. Let's let's let's let me go back to Fredo. Fredo, you there? Yeah. All right, let me read something, and then I want you to go ahead and give me your explanation. Because you're talking about monks and nuns and stuff like this.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, no, no. So so what I was gonna say is I'm not I'm not proposing that this verse basically talks about that we shouldn't we shouldn't make our riches idols, right? We shouldn't we shouldn't make our wealth the priority. We should make God the priority, right? Right. But but but also in the in the in the same context, right? But then they say, well, how how is it that that anyone can enter the kingdom of God? It goes on further. And he says, Well, That with God anything is possible. So what it's saying is look to God as your priority, and the others will take care of themselves. Right? But don't make your wealth your priority. Wealth is obviously here's here's here's a but what I did say, what I am saying is that we see the ultimate sacrifice in the the nuns and the monks, in they did the ultimate thing that God asked them to do. Jesus asked them to do.

SPEAKER_03

I don't think they did at all. That's what I'm saying. I don't I don't think they did at all. They did nothing for God. So here so here's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, no. I said what they what Jesus asked the rich men to do, they have literally done. No, they haven't. Well, so you don't think they've given up their life for G for God?

SPEAKER_03

I believe, I believe that's what they believe. But what I will say is this they have done, they have done there, in other words, when you talk about the law of God, what you're saying is that they gave up all those things. So so as if as if to say those things they don't violate anymore.

SPEAKER_02

No, I never said that. I never said that. That's that's not my words. What I said was, I literally said that they did exactly what Jesus asked the rich men to do. They have given up all of their riches, all of their money, given it up, and devoted their life in ministry, in in service and prayer to God and the world. But that's so they've literally given up exactly what Jesus asked the rich men to do. So I'm not making them any better. I'm not making them any better than your eyes. I'm just saying to you, they've literally done what Jesus Christ said. No, they haven't been there.

SPEAKER_05

It's different with the rich man.

SPEAKER_02

There's a level of pride. Hang on.

SPEAKER_03

Freddie, Fredo, let us let's let somebody let's hear it from somebody else. No, I just want to I just want to land this. I just want to land the front plane.

SPEAKER_02

Hang on, hang on, let me just land the plane. Let me land the plane. There is, if you don't acknowledge that they've done what Jesus Christ has done, and there's some sort of level of pride that is not allowing you to acknowledge that they've done that, that done they've done that. I'm not saying they're any better than us, right? All I'm saying is they've adhered to the request of Jesus Christ. Which was what you can't see that Abraham.

SPEAKER_05

Abraham was gonna do exactly what he was saying. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Well, hold on. And it wasn't necessarily to give up his riches, right? Abraham was told to sacrifice his own child, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, not saying that. That's listening. I'm just saying to him, but he didn't tell him to give up your riches.

SPEAKER_03

If I can't get order, I'm gonna start booting people out. I don't want to do that, but I'm just saying, I want to have a calm conversation. So let's try to speak one at a time and try to be succinct. Let's let's do this. So get excited. Okay. I I get it, I understand that. I do too. I do too. But I want to keep it organized because I want to be with it. I want people who may be listening to this to not get caught up in the confusion of a bunch of people talking over each other.

SPEAKER_01

That's not a justice.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. So the whole idea is that you know we're talking about the rich young ruler. So let's I want to get back to that because I don't want to get off on it on the whole thing about nunneries and nunneries and monks and popes and all that other kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04

Can

The Missing Commandment And Idolatry

SPEAKER_04

I can I say what I was gonna say, or you wanted to say something? What's that? I said, uh, can I say what I was want wanted to say, or you want to say, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, it's two things actually. So, first thing, when we were talking about the rich young ruler, the first thing that came on my mind is the conversation with Peter and Jesus, and when Peter says that he and he announces that Jesus is the Son of God, right? And Jesus says that, you know, this was revealed to you by my father in heaven. And when I come into this text, when when the rich young ruler is speaking, saying that, oh, Jesus is good, it's the same exact thing, but Jesus takes it a little further and expounds, and what happens is that Peter tends then then goes back on it and and he's like actually not fully understanding that's also exactly what's happening with this rich young ruler. He doesn't even understand what's coming out of his mouth. Can I chime in on that?

SPEAKER_05

Sure, go for it. Yeah, go ahead. Well, the the rich man like arrogantly asked him, well, what's a man gotta do to get salvation?

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_05

Right? He asked him in an arrogant way, correct. And then so Christ put him to the test, or Jesus put him to the test and said, Okay, give up all your possessions. Yeah, and that that's what that was that's where it was gonna go to my second point. Jesus is gonna see if you're about that life, if you're willing to do whatever it takes for salvation. Amen. And it took the lust of the world for that man to to quit. Yeah, for the perpetual against his desires of the flesh, and he said no. So that's why Jesus said that's the the lesson in the in the in the verse is that that there's not gonna be that many rich people in heaven because they're not real they're they're so infatuated with their money that they're they're you can't serve two gods, right?

SPEAKER_02

Or you don't have to be able to do that. I love what you said, Christian. I love what you said. How much are you prepared to sacrifice for God? Because he sacrificed his only son. How much are you prepared to sacrifice for Jesus Christ?

SPEAKER_03

Redo, Redo, hold on one second. Wait, everybody, listen, hold on for a second. I'm serious. Let's stay organized, please, one at a time.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, I'm just agreeing with him. I'm just agreeing with him.

SPEAKER_03

Are you gonna I'm asking you, please?

SPEAKER_05

Sure, sure, sure, sure. I apologize. I apologize. No, I can know he's he's speaking to all of us. We're all we're all doing that.

SPEAKER_03

Hold on. We're talking about the rich young ruler, uh-huh. We're talking about Mark chapter 10, verse 17 through 24. Let's stick in that context for now. We can talk about the nuns and monks on another another session. Yeah, that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother conversation.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah. Can I can I finish on something I was trying to like go through in my mind? Go for it. And and I and when I was actually studying this text a while back, something I really noticed, because remember, and it goes on to the point where Jesus is trying to get this man to understand who he is. When Jesus lists all lists out the laws, he is like Jesus is man, Jesus is so wise. It's so it's so ironic the law that Jesus leaves out, and it's about idolatry and worshiping no other gods before him. Because Jesus doesn't list that law in here when he's talking about you know idolatry or or stealing, but then he says to leave all his possessions to follow him. So this man thought he was being obedient to the laws, but he was he was not because he he was idolizing, like we were speaking about the money.

What Must I Do To Inherit Life

SPEAKER_04

He seen that at his God, but when God was actually in front of him, he couldn't realize it just like the Pharisees didn't.

SPEAKER_03

I think I think you're right about there. Brian, did you want to say something before I talk? Before I say something?

SPEAKER_00

No, no, work ahead.

SPEAKER_03

I I wanted to add, but go ahead, anointed.

SPEAKER_01

I was just gonna say one thing that when I read that passage, I notice is Jesus answers his question according to the question that he asks. So he asks, What must I do?