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A calm Bible study can turn intense fast when the question on the table is who Jesus really is. We begin with the bigger backdrop: humanity’s long habit of turning from God, building idols, and needing God himself to regenerate the heart if we’re ever going to desire what is good. From there, we get practical about online Christian community, why “mature” rooms feel different, and why we’d rather build a space for students of Scripture than a stage for whoever can be the loudest.

Then we draw a sharp line between debate and chaos. Healthy debate can be a gift when it stays cordial, listens carefully, and keeps dragging every claim back to the Bible. We talk about the freedom to say “I don’t know,” the danger of acting like we already have it all figured out, and why rereading familiar verses can keep revealing new depth for decades.

The discussion pivots into core Christian doctrine and biblical interpretation: justification by faith in Jesus Christ from Galatians 2:15–21, salvation and confession from Romans 10:9, and a close look at Mark 10:17–18 where Jesus responds to being called “good.” A guest challenges the deity of Christ, and we wrestle openly with what worship means if God alone deserves it, closing with 1 John 5:20 and a final warning about idols. If you care about Christian theology, the Trinity, and learning Scripture without losing love for people, this one will stretch you. Subscribe, share it with a friend who loves Bible study, and leave a review with the verse you think we should read next.

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Idols And Regenerated Hearts

SPEAKER_02

I mean in that time the curse was there. We we turned away from God because we worship we worshiped other gods.

SPEAKER_05

And that's that's plagued that that has plagued all of mankind, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05

We are all we are every one of us as an individual, we are idol manufacturers. Left to ourselves, we would all worship idols because man does not does not, cannot, will not, does not desire to please God in any kind of way. And the only thing that makes us able to do so is being is having our hearts regenerated by God Himself. He has to step in to do for us what we are unwilling to do for ourselves.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. So

Choosing Mature Bible Study Spaces

SPEAKER_02

I've been discovering other other lives that are from the Israel, but I don't like them all. I only like one two particular ones that I go to because the rest of them can be a bit off for me. You know. And I I rather go to the one that is more mature. Yes.

SPEAKER_05

But let me let me say something to you though, okay? Because what what I try to do with mine is that I try to bring people in who know how to be cordial and respectful, and who are students of the word of God, and who are aspiring students of the word of God, and who are people who are able to teach the word of God. And people who want to be a part of a community who want to improve upon our collective understanding of the word of God, which makes us collectively understand our Lord and Master better. So my thing is that when it comes to all these other kinds of lives, they're good to get into if you if you know if you like them for whatever reason, because people have a tendency to go where they like for whatever reason, that's fine. But the most important thing, and I'll say this to you, the most important thing is to get into the word of God yourself.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05

What I want to do is have a collection of people who who, from their experience, bring something to the table that each one of us, somebody on the group, might be able to say, you know what? I never saw that before. Exactly. It happens to me all the time, and I love it. Yeah, it happens to me all the time, and nothing thrills my heart more than when somebody else says, brother, I've never seen that before.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

And this is what I think that we should all be about. You know, we should all be about that. And so, and so, you know, I don't know about all these other lives and and and and whatnot, because it, you know, a lot of these, a lot of times people spend most of their time trying to figure out who can be the loudest.

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's what I don't like.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_02

I I I like it to be a study thing, right? I don't like it to be a debate, right? And that's the reason why I don't look I don't go to too many of them.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

Debate Without Losing Respect

SPEAKER_05

Well, you see, see, here's the problem. The problem is people have made debate, turn debate into a bad word. Yeah. Debate is not a bad word, debate is good. Yes, also do it. Right?

SPEAKER_02

But it's just into an argument. It it doesn't know how to be cordial with their conversations, right?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, what are you gonna say, brother? Yeah, like like for example, the whole conversation we had yesterday, you can even say it was a debate. We had different views on stuff, but it's a respect factor that we, you know, we're all coming together, and honestly, something I've only been in your life like four or five times, not maybe not too much, but something I've honestly respect uh on what keeps me coming back is the fact that you know something that I've noticed with my lives is that you know I get in my word a lot, and people begin to agree with everything that I say because I'm more knowledgeable than others, and something that I've noticed in here is that we can have disagreements, but we always go back to the word to verify our thoughts and our opinions, and at the end of the day, we're all comfortable in something I noticed with like you mentioned it the other day, we're all okay with saying I don't know. Right. That's so important as a studier of scriptures because when we think we know everything, that's where we become decept, deceit, deceit in our own selves because and we it we blind ourselves to the truth of the word.

SPEAKER_02

Exactly. Because when you say, I always say this. When you think you know something, you don't know anything.

SPEAKER_03

That's that's for me. Chris, do you want to answer, brother?

Justification By Faith Read Aloud

SPEAKER_05

Chris, are you there? Yeah, I'm here. What do you got to say? Anything?

SPEAKER_01

Galant Galantians 2, 15. We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners. Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ. So we also have believed in Christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. But if in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not. For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law, I died to the law so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave me Himself for me. And I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Amen. That's see the see the thing, the thing is, you know, every time we every time we get together and we have a conversation, you know, Christians in general, we always know that when we've talked, we're only dealing with scratching the surface. But when you read the word of God like that, it's just it you see you see how elevated God's word is, and you also see how relevant it is to us. And it's funny because you can read one verse over the next 30 years and continue to find new things in it that we didn't see that we didn't see before.

SPEAKER_02

Right. I like to read a verse in Romans 10 9 is short. Let me let me get there. Romans, here it is. 9 10 it is, I believe. I get it mixed up, but I'll get it. Here it is, hold on.

SPEAKER_05

It's it's uh you said Romans 9?

SPEAKER_02

No, Romans 10, 9.

SPEAKER_05

That if you confess with your mouth, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02

If you come if that if you confess with your mouth that the Lord Jesus and believes in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, that you will be saved.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And it it's a beautiful thing because right there, that's a confession right there to understand how how to me, how valuable, how big, how how great that is to know that that God had raised Jesus from the dead, that there is two can difference between God and Jesus.

Is Jesus God Or Not

SPEAKER_02

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

A lot of Well, you say we we say difference, difference how?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I'm saying like you you a lot of lives, they like to say, they like to say that Jesus, Jesus the Son, is God.

SPEAKER_05

You don't think he is?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think I think Jesus the Son. I think Jesus the Son really is I I think he's not. I I don't think I I think that he's I don't think I don't think I don't think God came down to earth at all. Because if he was to come down to earth, he we would all melt.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think I don't think I think his spirit, God's spirit, is within us.

SPEAKER_04

How long have you been reading the word?

SPEAKER_02

Well, here it is.

SPEAKER_04

If we go to Numbers I'm gonna ask you, how long have you been reading the Bible for?

SPEAKER_02

I've been reading the Bible, I've known the Bible ever since I was a child.

SPEAKER_04

How long have you been reading it?

SPEAKER_02

Not not I've been reading it for quite some time. Now, if you if you go to Numbers 23, 19, it says God is not human.

SPEAKER_03

Now I read the Bible.

SPEAKER_00

Let's not be disrespectful either.

SPEAKER_02

Don't interrupt, I'm just speaking.

SPEAKER_00

All right, yeah, literally speaking. Let's hear each other out.

SPEAKER_02

Moses literature when Moses wanted to see God in Exodus, in Exodus 3320, he wanted to see God. God told him, You can go there. He said, You cannot see me, or you will not live.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Okay, so so Margo, I so I hear what you're saying, I understand what you're saying. Nothing I haven't heard before. I disagree with you.

SPEAKER_02

There's a distinction between Jesus and God.

SPEAKER_05

There is a distinction between Jesus and the Father. Yes. There is. No, no, listen to what I'm saying, what I'm telling you. Just hear me out before you before you talk, okay? Just hear me out for a second, and then I'll let you speak. Almighty. You have God the Father. Right?

SPEAKER_02

There is God the Father.

SPEAKER_05

All right. Let me just let me go, Christian, for a second. You have God the Father, correct?

SPEAKER_02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05

You have God the Son. Is that not right or no?

SPEAKER_02

Well, they say that there's God. There is God. I'm asking you what you say.

SPEAKER_05

I'm asking you what you say.

SPEAKER_02

Wait, let me, I know what you're saying. So there is God Almighty, the aities. No, no, but there is a God.

SPEAKER_05

Margot, listen to me, please. Just please. Hear me out. Go ahead. Hear me out. I know you're not going to be saying anything that I haven't heard before.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

That's like what that's Jehovah's Witness talking to me.

SPEAKER_02

Please don't interrupt anyone. Can any can they can they mute themselves? Because I don't like, I don't like, I don't like the mumbling. I don't like the mumbling. Or you can drop them.

SPEAKER_03

Hold on for a second.

SPEAKER_05

Hear me asking.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you.

SPEAKER_05

Let me ask you a quick. So here's what I believe the Bible teaches.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

That God, the entity that we know as God. Right, the identity. So God is composed of three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Right. They are together, these three persons make up what we refer to as God. Now, let me let me explain this part and see and see if you can go along with this. For God to have a son, which you'll admit that Jesus is his son. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_02

Say that, repeat that answer again.

SPEAKER_05

You said earlier that Jesus is God's son.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

So Jesus is the son because God is his father, correct?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, Jesus is the son of God.

SPEAKER_05

I hear I hear you. But that means God is his father. Is that right? Correct. So if Jesus is his son, then that means that as as God's, as the father's son, as the son of the father, he must, in order for him to be his son, have the same attributes as his father. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02

But that's not in the Bible that he has.

SPEAKER_05

No, what hold on. That's not what I'm asking. Just follow the wrong with the reasoning.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I know it, but that's not in the Bible.

SPEAKER_05

No, that's totally.

SPEAKER_02

I only read what's in the Bible. Where does it say this has the same attributes?

SPEAKER_05

Well, let's look at it this way. We were talking about Okay. We were in Mark chapter 10. Mark chapter 10. We were in Mark chapter 10. So this is what we were talking about tonight. Okay. The rich and ruler comes to Jesus Christ and he runs to him and he kneels down and he calls him good master. Okay. And Jesus says to him, Why do you call me good master? What do you think Jesus was asking him?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. Let's see. We're Mark Mark.

SPEAKER_05

Mark chapter 10.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, hold on. Let me go let me get there. I'm just trying. I have so many Mark. Okay. All right. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

So Mark chapter 10.

SPEAKER_02

Right on 10.

SPEAKER_05

All right. So in verse 17.

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And 17. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

In verse 17, it says, when Jesus was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and he kneeled to him, he kneeled to Christ, and he asked him, Good master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said to him, Why do you call me good? There is none good but one that is God.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_05

What do you think Jesus meant? What was he, what was he, why was he asking this man this? Why was he saying, Why do you call me good? And there is none good but one that is God? What do you think Jesus was saying?

SPEAKER_02

He was actually saying to him that there's only one good, the Father, that's over him, that he praises the Father.

SPEAKER_05

So no one, and if you know, like we talked earlier, if you understand Old Covenant history, right? As Jesus says, no one is good but God. Right? But the Richard ruler calls Jesus good.

SPEAKER_02

In the old covenant?

SPEAKER_05

No, right here. Okay. Jesus calls him good. I mean, he calls Jesus good. He calls him good master. Right?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so you want to repeat that over from the beginning, what you just said.

SPEAKER_03

All right.

SPEAKER_02

From that because a lot of times what I don't like, and I don't want you to feel any kind of way, is I don't like when people like to take the verses to their own mind.

SPEAKER_05

You know, I'm not offended at all. I'm asking you to to tell me what it means. I didn't say I didn't say one word.

SPEAKER_02

You did tell me what that meant, and I did say what it meant.

SPEAKER_05

What did you say?

SPEAKER_02

Okay, so repeat that again from the beginning.

SPEAKER_05

All right. The rich.

SPEAKER_02

I know the part about the good master that he said that God, he was saying God is the Father. I know that.

SPEAKER_05

Listen, Martin. I miss that part. Just just just follow me for a second. Bear with me, please, okay? I'm gonna be nice, I promise.

SPEAKER_03

I know you are.

SPEAKER_05

All right. So the rich young ruler calls Jesus Christ good master. Okay, good master. And Jesus says to him, Why do you call me good? The rich young ruler is calling Jesus Christ good master. Jesus says to him, Why are you calling me good? Because there's only one that is good, and that is God. Right. So here's my question to you. When the rich young ruler called Jesus Christ good master, was he wrong?

SPEAKER_02

Not when he was calling him good, but he but he but Jesus came out and said, Why are you calling me good? Because the one that is good is his father.

SPEAKER_05

But no, you're you see, you told me to be careful of read of adding things into the verse that's not there.

SPEAKER_02

You're asking that's what he said, though. No, he didn't call me good because the one that is good is Margo.

SPEAKER_05

There's nothing in here, there's nothing. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm what I am saying is that in this verse, there is no mention of the father.

SPEAKER_02

Nothing's no mention of the father, but pretty much that's well, that's your implication of what he's saying, right?

SPEAKER_05

Right. Well, what I'm what I'm saying is implication, otherwise, whatever. What I'm saying is that's not what it says.

SPEAKER_02

That's not what it says, right.

SPEAKER_05

So what I'm asking, let's stick to what it says. The rich ruler calls Jesus good master. We agree on that, right? Good master. He calls him good master. Jesus says to him, Why do you call me good? Because there's none good but God. Right. So my question to you is this was the rich young ruler, when he called Jesus good master, was he wrong or was he right? He was right.

SPEAKER_02

He was wrong because because because he because because God, because God, he he's he the God that he needs to call good is in heaven. But but you're not wrong by saying that Jesus is a God. But I have but he's not our God. Our God, that the true God is the ideity God.

SPEAKER_05

Margo, with all due honesty, you are slashing the truth right before your very own eyes.

SPEAKER_02

No, no, I know exactly what you're saying. You are you're saying I'm asking you is a God. Jesus is a God, but he is not the true God.

SPEAKER_05

Can I ask you a question? Let me ask you a question, Margot.

SPEAKER_02

I know that.

SPEAKER_05

I'm asking a straight question, okay? I'm asking you a straight question.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, am I right or wrong? You're wrong. Can you answer? I'm wrong for saying that. Let me can I ask you a question? Margo, relax.

SPEAKER_05

It's a touchy subject. No, let me stop here first. Let's stop here. I don't want this to go off the rails. Yeah, it's a touchy subject.

SPEAKER_02

But the angels are gods as well.

SPEAKER_05

Let me Margo, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do we let me ask you? Let me ask you this. Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

SPEAKER_02

No, not at all.

SPEAKER_05

All right. So you're are you are you are you Jew? Are you Jewish?

SPEAKER_02

I'm a Jewish, uh Jewish people, is Israelites are concerned with what they read in the Bible, what the Bible says.

SPEAKER_05

So let me so should we so so so do you hold any validity at all? Is the New Testament the truth?

SPEAKER_02

When we go into the Greek and the Hebrew, it'll explain everything we need to understand.

SPEAKER_05

All right. We're not gonna, we're not gonna, we're not gonna we're not gonna get into it. We're not gonna go all that. Let's just go back.

SPEAKER_02

You know what? You I love you. You're a beautiful person. We're not gonna go through all that. I I I love listening to you, and I say that from from the bottom of my heart. I know anything, anything. I I shouldn't have to. I love listening to you because you have a way of talking to people. You really do.

SPEAKER_05

I appreciate that, sister. I appreciate I really appreciate that. But you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02

Why I came here.

SPEAKER_05

You know what I would like to do? What's that? I would like I would like to DM you or you DM me either way, privately. And we're gonna have I want to have a conversation with you privately.

SPEAKER_02

Privately, yes.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_05

Because I uh because because you have been, I see you come up all the time, and I always well you know.

SPEAKER_02

Know you for a long time.

SPEAKER_05

We never got I want to I want you and I to have a a one-on-one. I want you to give me a shot. It's a shot. At talking to you about this and trying to persuade you something. Now, I'm not saying that you will change your mind or whatever. I just want a shot to make I want to make a case to you.

SPEAKER_02

Can I share this? Can I share this with you?

SPEAKER_05

Sure.

SPEAKER_02

As a little girl, when I used to go to church, I used to go to Pentecostal church. I knew that there was a Jesus Christ and there was a God. I already knew that. I already knew that. I felt it in my heart.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

I already knew there was a difference. And I already knew that. And angels and the Holy Spirit. I already knew those things. I felt it. I felt it more than I can speak it. And when you feel something and you you live it within your heart and your soul.

SPEAKER_05

Here's what I believe.

SPEAKER_02

You can speak it, you believe it. You have faith in it. As a kid.

SPEAKER_05

I believe for certain, no, with no doubt in my mind, I do believe 100% that you, sister, definitely have a zeal for God.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

For sure. But if you don't know that Jesus Christ is more than what he is. Oh, I do. No, you don't.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. I love him. Do you worship him? I I I talk to him. I walk with him.

SPEAKER_05

Do you worship him?

SPEAKER_02

I worship him through God. I speak to him through God. And I talk to God as well.

SPEAKER_05

Well, the issue is this. No one, no one should be worshipped but God. So I do it that way. So if Jesus Christ is not God, you should not be worshiping him at all.

SPEAKER_02

I do it that way because in John, in John 7, in John 20, 17, Jesus says, I'm ascending to my Father and God and to your God and to my God.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And if he's telling you that he's going to his father and to your father and to my God and to your God, what is he saying? And he's also saying that he can't say or do anything unless his father tells him to say.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, this is you. I mean, you you're you're right now are dealing with what we would refer to as the Aryan heresy. Okay. Whether you call it that or not, you you are a Jehovah's Witness. That's what you say.

SPEAKER_02

I don't think so. I'm not, I don't go to no Jehovah's Witness lives.

SPEAKER_05

That doesn't mean that doesn't mean you go to their lives or not. I'm telling you, your theology is Jehovah's Witness.

SPEAKER_02

Your theology is Israelite.

SPEAKER_05

You can call yourself Israelite all you want to, but what I'm telling you is that your doctrine is not even Israelite.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not a Christian anymore.

SPEAKER_05

You're not a Christian anymore?

SPEAKER_02

No. Oh, well, that's the problem. No, that's not a problem.

SPEAKER_05

It is a problem.

SPEAKER_02

Not at all.

SPEAKER_05

You are never going to not at all, my friend. Well, here's the thing. Let's we we we will we will chat off.

SPEAKER_02

I do, I do, I do, and I believe what's in the Bible because when when back then in my time in Deuteronomy 28, 28, just a little bit, just a little bit. It tells me a little bit about my history.

SPEAKER_05

Margo, hold on. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02

Let's just let's end this conversation because it's a long, it's a long story, and it has to do about my history and my land.

SPEAKER_05

Right. But what I'm telling you is this. What I'm telling you, let me let me before you go, and I hope you're willing to talk with me after this. You know, you know, I'm gonna DM you, and if you respond, great. But let me tell you this right off the bat. Let me tell you this right off the bat. You are not a Christian, and you said that. I'm not, I'm not.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not a Christian.

SPEAKER_05

So therein lies.

SPEAKER_02

I used to be a Christian. No more. No more.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. So you you say you used to be and you're not no more. So then we have a fundamental problem. So we have a fundamental problem.

SPEAKER_02

And that and that is what my history tells me differently.

SPEAKER_05

Your history doesn't tell you anything other than that we are a sinner.

SPEAKER_02

Absolutely. I'm not sinning, I'm not sinning because of that.

SPEAKER_05

All right. Wait, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_02

I'm not a sinner. But am I a sinner?

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, you are.

SPEAKER_02

Why?

SPEAKER_05

Because we all are.

SPEAKER_02

No, but am I a sinner because I'm not a Christian?

SPEAKER_05

Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02

Why? Did God say, did God say if you're not a Christian, you're gonna be a sinner? Margo. Did Jesus say that?

SPEAKER_05

Margot. The Bible, the Bible doesn't say the Bible doesn't say that we can't snort cocaine. Does that mean we can go do it? No.

SPEAKER_02

Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So what I'm saying is what I'm saying is what you're so you're logic. So this is not right. It's not right. It's not right what you're saying to me.

SPEAKER_05

What I'm telling you, I'm I'm telling you, Margo, what you already said, that you're not a Christian.

SPEAKER_02

It's not in the Bible what you what you're just saying to me. So I know that for a fact, I go and say and do and read what the Bible says. Okay. The Bible does not tell you if you're not a Christian, you're a sinner. It doesn't say that.

SPEAKER_05

Well, then we're reading okay. Well, that's fine. Let's let's let's just let's leave it at that.

SPEAKER_02

Because the castle in the Bible says only uh uh was uh a feasting for for Israelites, for Jews. All right, it doesn't say anything, anything of Christianity at all. Listen, nothing, nothing.

SPEAKER_05

Listen, I I hear what you're saying. Not a word, I hear what you're saying, and you've already said what the real issue is. So we'll leave it at that because I want to be with you.

SPEAKER_02

Listen, we're good. We listen, you can PM me, and and like I said, brother, I love you, and we're we're we're gonna leave it there.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, perfect. Have a good night.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, you have a good night. Bye-bye now.

SPEAKER_05

So

Final Scripture And Closing

SPEAKER_05

everybody uh this this went in a totally different direction than I intended to go, but I know, I know.

SPEAKER_02

I didn't think it was gonna go in this direction. Can I read the verse real quick?

SPEAKER_05

Let me I want to I got I have to go.

SPEAKER_02

I'm already I already pressed the thing to go. So can I read a verse?

SPEAKER_01

Go ahead, go ahead. It's it's 1 John 5 20 says, and we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his son Jesus Christ, he is the true God and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

SPEAKER_05

All right, perfect, man. Thanks a lot, man. Well bless you guys. Sorry it went off in a different direction, but I look forward to the next time. I gotta get rid of the, I gotta get going right now. But I appreciate all the time you guys spent on here.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_05

Take it easy. Hug yourself.