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Sin Shall Not Have Dominion Over You - (Rom 6:12-14), Part 2/4
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Resurrection isn’t a misty “spiritual afterlife” idea for us. We’re talking about something concrete and personal: this same mortal body goes into the ground, and God raises it up, changes it, and glorifies it just like Jesus Christ after His resurrection. That means no reincarnation, no anonymous replacement body, and no losing who we are. It also means we will recognize one another, and we will see the same Christ the apostles saw, now exalted in a real, physical body.
That hope isn’t just future-facing theology. We connect it straight to Romans 6: “Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body.” Paul commands believers to resist sin because a believer has been transferred into a new kingdom, united to Christ, and made capable by the Holy Spirit. We talk honestly about how preaching can go wrong when it treats salvation as a self-powered decision, and why spiritual inability is real apart from God giving eyes to see and ears to hear.
Then we get practical about sanctification. Sin tries to rule through lust and disordered desire, using the body as its instrument, but our “members” can be yielded to God as instruments of righteousness. We even use a modern gut brain axis analogy to picture how desire can be redirected from the inside out, along with the firstfruits promise that Christ guarantees the quality of the harvest that follows Him.
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Carnality And The Sin Nature
SPEAKER_02That drives the body. And because the evil dis and when the evil disposition before we came to Christ, before we came to Christ, it is the evil disposition of the sinful nature that drives the body to do what it wants. And that is called fleshly or carnal activity. Right?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I think that's what I was talking about, the carnal, the carnality of it all. That goes away when we're glorified.
SPEAKER_02Got it.
What Resurrection Really Means
SPEAKER_02But here's what is important to understand Resurrection means to stand up. That means that this body that we're in right now is going to come out of the grave. I knew that. Okay, this same body, all the molecules, DNA, whatever it is that we have, it's all going to be brought together just like when the Lord created the earth. He's going to bring our bodies together. Resurrection is the mantelpiece of our salvation. And so this body is going to raise. This body is going to be changed. This body is going to be glorified. This body is going to be exactly the way Christ's body was when he sat right here on earth after his resurrection and took off from the oceanside and ascended into heaven. And he himself. What's that? Because the flesh, the corruptible flesh will be gone. That's right. The corruptible flesh. Okay. So and Christ himself said that the same body, the same way he left, that's going to be the same Christ that comes back. When we go to glory, we're going to see the very man that he was glorified on earth after his resurrection. We're going to see him.
SPEAKER_06I knew that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So it's important to understand this. It's important to understand this.
SPEAKER_06Thank you, because I never thought about it like that at all.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Okay. So yeah, this is important. This is important. So, so so this body, every Christian listening needs to understand this. This same body. There's not going to be a reincarnation.
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_02It's going to be this body. The same body. When we go to glory, we will recognize each other. We're going to know each other. Remember, you know, Christ said, I'm going to come back the same way that I left. Yes, he did. And so, and so, and when he showed Thomas his wounds, he was showing Thomas that that is the same body. The same body that he saw being nailed onto that cross. And now he came out of that tomb. This is a we'll be the same way. We're gonna be the same exact way.
SPEAKER_06God, I never thought about it like that. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02We're gonna be able to we're gonna be able to fly up there. That's what he did. That's what he did. Yeah, he did. He penetrated whatever that was that keeps us bound into this atmosphere. He was able with his body to penetrate that and to go and sit at the right hand of the Father. And he is at the right hand of the Father in a body, a physical body, the one that the apostles saw depart from the earth. Yeah, I knew that. And that's the same body we're gonna have. Hallelujah. Amen, sister. Amen. So if you think about it overnight and you go, that man's crazy, then we you and me are talking on phone tomorrow.
SPEAKER_06I won't think you're crazy.
SPEAKER_02All right, sister. All right. But I hope it makes sense. It makes sense though, right?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it does. I just never thought about it like that. I just, you know, I just knew that we were gonna have celestial bodies, and so I never thought about it, you know, our flesh, and it said that no flesh will end the kingdom of heaven. But he's talking about sinful flesh.
SPEAKER_02He's talking about sinful flesh.
SPEAKER_06I understand that now. Yeah.
Recognizable Bodies And No Reincarnation
SPEAKER_02It's two aspects of line that's excellent, excellent. Sister Joni, what do you think so far?
SPEAKER_04I think it's really good. You you have made a lot of points. And the scripture makes a lot of points, and I just I I don't think I can go through all of that. It's overwhelming, but uh, it is definitely right, and like you started off with the who makes the decision on salvation, and truly he has got to be in us for us to accept him.
SPEAKER_01That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER_04And once once his power and I I truly believe I was walking in his power way before I ever accepted him as Christ.
SPEAKER_01That's right. That's it.
SPEAKER_04As my savior, because I didn't want to do it like respond to a call or like I I wanted to know what I was doing.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_04Like, and I don't know if that makes sense. Some people would say totally the opposite, but I was not there. I wanted to have an understanding because I never understood.
SPEAKER_01Right. I hear you.
SPEAKER_04So I wanted to know who he was gonna what he was gonna be, you know, what part, and then I had to to pick up that foot and get it on both sides of the line.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_04And I physically can remember that, even though I didn't do it physically, but it's like a physical memory because it was so hard to do.
SPEAKER_02That's right. That's right. Excellent words, sister there. Uh, sister Lisa, what are your thoughts?
Why Believers Can Resist Sin
SPEAKER_03Well, uh, you know, when I read verse 12, let sin therefore not reign in your mortal body to make you obey its passions. Right there, it tells us that we are still, we're we're going to battle these desires, our fleshly desires, until until our day of redemption. You know, I was just thinking about the verse in James where it says, uh, I don't know how it goes. I can't think, I can't think of how it to read it, but it's it's like when our thoughts come in, it gives birth to sin. Our fleshly desires are what gives birth to sin. Therefore, we need to, and we're capable now, because we have the Lord Jesus that who dwells within us to resist that. Take those thoughts captive at square one. Like, don't even, you know, even what's the word? Just get rid of it. Take it to the Lord, make it obedient, because this is the only way that we're gonna be able to resist these things in our flesh. So through His His strength. But I think it's amazing, and it literally just just tells us it's it's a command.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_03Don't let it, don't let it rain. And through Christ, we will be successful.
SPEAKER_02That's right. That's right. You know what's interesting? What's interesting here, everybody, is that in verse 12, Paul says, Let not sin therefore rain in your mortal body. Now he tells you to do something that he assumes you now have the ability to do. He cannot say this, but to a believer. So think about these people who believe and talk as though their salvation is the result of something they do. And when they do it, then they get all these gifts. You see, that would imply something very different. Because if if that were true, then this could be said to any person on earth, Christian or not, let not sin therefore reign to your mortal body. Can you tell that to an unbeliever? Anybody. Can you tell that to an unbeliever? No, because they're not capable. They're not capable, but that capability only comes when you have been transferred from the kingdom of sin and darkness and put into the kingdom of Christ. Then Paul could tell you, then your brother or sister in Christ can tell you, let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body. This has become something that only a person who has been planted together, as we've read in verse 5, that has been planted together with Christ and been made united to him. Now you are in him. But until that happens, until there has been a salvific work in your soul by the Holy Spirit, there is no possibility that we can go to the world and preach as many Christians do preach, not in these words, but this is what they do. They will say, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies. This is how they preach. It's up to you. Just accept the Lord, come to the conclusion. But something has to give you the ability to see. Unbelievers cannot hear and they cannot see. They must be given ears to hear, they must be given eyes to see. And until those things are given, they will never come to faith in Christ. Never. Never. Look what else he says in verse 12. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body. Mortal body. To the point that my sister Vanessa and I were talking. He says he refers to the body as a mortal body. So when this body is glorified, what will it then become? Anybody. Immortal. Immortal. The same body, the same mortal body that dies, the mortality or being mortal signifies and indicates what? That we must die. That we must die. But when Christ returns, he's going to raise us from the dead, and that body that was planted in the ground, that was mortal, shall be raised incorruptible and immortal. This is the central theme of Christianity. The central theme of true Christianity. And so I'm glad my sister and I were able to have this exchange, not just for our mutual benefit, but for the benefit of everyone listening. It's astounding. Many Christians don't get this. And this is important to understand. Because remember, here's how you have to look at it.
The Seed Picture From Corinthians
SPEAKER_02Sister Candy, good evening, sister.
unknownWhat's happening, everybody?
SPEAKER_02All right. So I'm glad you're up here.
SPEAKER_05Miss Faya, I've been chamedy, I'm a Chamedy and I just been down in the I shame on your panel. You know what I'm saying? Where is that scripture that actually says everything that we're talking about? When you're sown corruptible, you're raised incorruptible, sown impure, raised in 1 Corinthians 15.
SPEAKER_0215. Is it 42? No, it's throughout it's throughout the chapter. But we'll we'll get to that. We'll get to that because I want to stay on topic here. But remember that a you know you have to look at it like this body that we're in right now, think about it. We're going to be, we're going to be literally seeds. Where do people plant seeds? In the ground. In the ground. Where are we going when we die?
SPEAKER_04In the ground.
SPEAKER_02And when and when a seed is put into the ground, what comes out of the ground? Is it the seed again?
SPEAKER_05The growth.
SPEAKER_02What's that? The growth. Yeah, but it grows into what? Plants.
SPEAKER_04Plants, trees, flowers, whatever the seed was, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Right. But the seed and the tree or the plant, whatever it is, it is the same body, but changed. But the same. And that's what Paul, that's what he talks about in 1 Corinthians 15. The seed that was sown, that same seed that was sown will be that was that was sown corruptible and mortal will be raised incorruptible and immortal. But it's it's all the same stuff, just changed and glorified. And this is what we brethren need to understand. This is what we need to understand. And so if I'm if I'm confusing anyone on any part of this, please, if you don't write to me on anything, write to me on this one. Or call me. For those of you who have my number. Terry says, I'm sick of my body. Argue with me. Yeah, me too. Knees, joints, wrists, everything falling apart. So Paul says, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body. Then
Lust As Sin’s Tool In Us
SPEAKER_02he goes on, that you should obey it in the lust thereof. And this refers not merely to sensual sins, as we would most of us think, but it also refers to every disordered desire that arises within the fallen nature of men. The lust that we have, that all of us have, and it varies for from it, it varies from every person. We all have our own set of lusts that drive us when these things happen. But he says, but but Paul's pointing out that lusts, these are the instruments through which sin attempts to establish its rule over your body. Your body is the instrument that sin seeks to express itself. When we are told, when we become Christians, we have an expectation to produce fruit. How do we do that? By yielding our members of our body, yielding to God, yielding to the direction of the Holy Spirit to produce fruit. And the producing and the production of the fruit is a result of not just what the heart and the mind feel and believe, but it's what we do. It is what we get the body to do. So when people talk about the fruits of the Spirit, we are talking about the things that the Spirit is able, when yielded to the to the to the direction of the Lord, with this with the body, with the Spirit can get the body to do. And we know that it's the Lord who works in us to will and to do of his good pleasure. Pride, envy, greed, resentment, jealousy, ambition, unbelief, selfishness, wickedness of all types are no less included than fleshly desires. And sin treats our body as though it is entitled to our bodies. Thank the Lord that Jesus came down here and bound the strong men and took captivity captive. That's us. He bound Satan and stripped us away from his evil clutches. I know that sounds a little cartoonish, but it is true.
SPEAKER_00Hallelujah.
SPEAKER_02Amen, sister. You can say that anytime you want. Whoever it is we are obedient to is our Lord. And whatever commands a person's obedience functions as our master.
unknownAbsolutely.
SPEAKER_05Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_05Okay, so yeah, that it makes me think of scriptures where it talks about, you know, sacrificing our flesh and our worldly wants. You know, we put that to death, we become new in Christ. And then it also made me think of Galatians 2.20, because I am crucified with Christ. It is no longer it is he who lives in me, not I who live. It is Christ who lives in me, and I who live in my flesh, I live by the faith of Jesus Christ. That's right. Therefore, we seek him and surrender everything else and seek his word and his guidance and truth in all things. And that's the different part about exactly what you're talking about right now.
SPEAKER_01Amen, sister. Absolutely, absolutely correct. Absolutely correct.
SPEAKER_02So the so the believer must refuse to grant sin the submission that now only belongs to God. We bow to him, we submit to him, we serve him, we are his bondservants, we are his slaves, we serve him. And him only. In him only. And the struggle that is described here in verse 12 is not between two equal competing powers that are on equal footing for our souls, but between one defeated enemy and those who have been set free by God's divine grace. And Paul is teaching us that in all these things that we're talking about, it is faith that makes us understand that the Lord's hold on us is unbreakable.
Defeated Enemy And New Master
SPEAKER_02This is what he is teaching us. Faith lays hold of the unbreakable nature that we now have in Christ. And we have been taken out of one kingdom. We were captives in another world, another country, as it were. We were hostages to a master that we loved and deserved. What is that psychological sickness that that when people are taken prisoners, then they ended up falling in love with their captors? It's called Munchhausen. What's that?
SPEAKER_03Munchhausen syndrome. It's Munchhausen syndrome, I think.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's one of those, you know, you know what I mean though. This is what happens is that might be something else.
SPEAKER_03I'm sorry. I don't know. Could be.
SPEAKER_02It'll come to me. But you know what I everybody knows what I mean. And so the effect that's Stockholm, there you go. Stockholm. They fall in love with the captors. That's what we did. That's what Satan did to us. And we loved our sin. We loved our master. We loved our master. And so the struggle that has been described here, like I said, it's not between two powers. One is defeated, the other one is our Lord. So I wanted I wanted to bring up this example to illustrate what we're talking about earlier. So many of you know who my wife is, and she's a clinical psychologist. She's a doctor in psychology. And I had the good fortune of being able, and bear with me, because I usually don't bring up too many examples from the world, try to keep everything in the scriptures, but it makes sense here to understand. Because I think some of you are going to understand.
Gut Brain Axis As Spiritual Analogy
SPEAKER_02The gut brain axis. And it shows a connection between the brain and The gut. And it's and it deals with how the how we are how our appetites run wild. So I want to read this to you because I had to write it down so I didn't get this, so I didn't get this wrong. The gut brain axis is a complex two-way communication network that links the digestive system and the brain through nerves, hormones, the immune system, and chemical signals produced by the trillions of microorganisms that inhabit the gut. Many of you have may have heard the term microbiomes. This continuous exchange between the brain and the gut allows the brain to influence, listen, allows the brain to influence digestion while enabling the gut to affect appetite, mood, metabolism, and even cognitive function. I hope you guys are connecting the dots of what I'm saying here and how it relates to what we're talking about. A healthy gut microbiome helps regulate hunger. A good, listen, a good, a healthy gut microbiome helps to regulate hunger. Take the word hunger out and put lust. It should all start to make sense what I'm talking about. It helps regulate hunger and satiety by producing compounds that stimulate hormones which promote fullness. So it can make you feel full, satisfied, even though you haven't eaten anything, while also influencing the activity of the vagus nerve, the primary communication pathway, the primary communication pathway between the gut and the brain. So if we look at this in analogous terms, for example, it here talks about hormones that stimulate, that are used to stimulate fullness in the body. One of the things that we have prevalent today, I'm sure many of you have heard, have you heard of GLP1? Have anybody heard of this?
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_02We all know what this is, right?
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_02I figured all the ladies here would know. This is that crazy drug that that that that people are using, men and women, to lose weight. You know what it is?
SPEAKER_04It's a hormone.
SPEAKER_02A hormone.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02It's a hormone that tricks the that that tells the brain that you're full, so it doesn't feed the gut. So I'm using this to be analogous to what happens to a Christian when they receive the Holy Spirit. You're not being tricked or deceived, but what you now have has it has an impact and an effect on sin. You no longer have an appetite for it. Do you understand what I'm saying? So in this analogy, the Spirit of God working in us is looked upon like the hormone in the gut brain axis. I know it's a little complicated, but I'm sure that most of you know, like I said, know what GOP one is. It's a hormone. And so it serves our physical bodies in terms of restricting appetite the same way the Spirit of God in us restricts our sinful appetite. So I hope
Firstfruits And The Head Of The Body
SPEAKER_02that makes sense. Now, any questions, comments, anything? Anybody before I go to verse 13. Sister Meg, what do you think?
SPEAKER_07I think that's a great analogy, considering, you know, it the word of God also says it's not go, it's not what goes into the mouth, I mean comes out of the mouth that defiles it, but what goes into it. And so I think that that that's a great example because I think that once we understand that you've been talking about that we have to get everything from our head to our heart, right? Because this is what the Lord came for, the heart of all man. He was exposing the heart of man to people in the gospels. And so essentially that's the fruit he came looking for because he is the first fruit. And what's so interesting about the first fruit when it talks about fruit in this nature, is that in agriculture, when the fruit from the first harvest was waived before the person who is taking care of it, it guarantees the fruit that's coming behind it is good.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_07And so because the Lord Jesus Christ is that first fruit and we are the first fruit of him, it he it that's eternal security too. He's guaranteeing that this harvest that he came to get is going to be fruitful. Glory to God. So this is a really good study.
SPEAKER_02See, this is and and Sister Mick, that is what is so important for Christians to know. If you are a believer and Christ is the first fruit, the first fruit implies the second, third, fourth, fifth, on and on. And Christ is telling you, telling us, you can be fully assured that if you have been risen, if you have been died to died in Christ and have been raised to a newness of life, you are guaranteed that the quality of you as fruit will be no different than the quality of Christ being the first fruit.
SPEAKER_01Man.
SPEAKER_02Sister Mariah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_08Just to add to your analogy and what you were saying, uh of the hormone, in Ephesians 1, 22 and 23, it says, and have put on, have put all things under his feet and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him that filled all in all. And so it's like when we're talking about that head and that connection to the body, we begin to have this fullness.
SPEAKER_02Oh listen, I love that because if you tie what you just said to the analogy, and I think this is what you're saying, because we use the example of the gut brain axis, and we are the body of Christ. And I think this is I'm sure tell me if this is not, I think this is what you're saying. That in our situation, we are Christ's body, and he's the head. Yes, the brain and the gut, we're the body. Is that what you're saying?
SPEAKER_08Yes, sir. Because that and it provides a fullness, it says that it and we will be filled, and so those things and those desires that once were are pruned from us, and and we begin to have new desires and new things that fill us.
SPEAKER_07That was good. So so because Christ is the head, then we are filled, and he tells us we're full. That's right when we're spiritually filled in him.
SPEAKER_02That's right. I like that. I see, ain't nobody listen. Nobody tells you you don't understand. This is it. This this that's exactly it. And if you understand that then and come to that conclusion, that's what it's supposed to produce. That understanding. Sister Terry, what do you think? Excellent, Mariah. Excellent.
SPEAKER_00Uh this is excellent. And I like the flow. You guys are just the spirits moving in between all of you. It's excellent.
SPEAKER_02Amen.
Yield Your Members To Righteousness
SPEAKER_02Amen. For verse 13. I get excited about stuff like this. I'm a little weird that way, so be patient. Verse 13. Neither yield your members, Paul says, Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin, but yield yourselves unto God as those that are not will be, but that are alive from the dead, and your members yield them as instruments of righteousness unto God. Now listen, Paul is now expanding on this exhortation here. He's moving from the resistance to now the positive consequences. This is what he's moving to. He says, neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin. Now notice again, he's saying, neither yield. Don't yield your members. He's telling you to do something that you could not do until you were saved. It is impossible for any unbeliever to be able to choose to yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin. And it's impossible. You are a slave to sin. As believers, now you have the ability to not yield yourself unto your members as instruments of unrighteousness. And so the term members here, it refers to all of the faculties and capacities of our human experience. The ears, what you listen to, what you hear, what you are entertained by through the ear gate, the eyes, what you look for, your ambition, what you're watching all the time. These are going to be some convicting things to hear. The tongue, the gossip, the vile speech. Not just your own, but the speech you tolerate hearing from other people. Listen. I like a good laugh. You like to hear a great, you know, a funny comedian. But we know what these guys talk about all the time. Should we really be hearing these things? Actively and putting ourselves in a position to do it willfully. Things that stir up, that sin that is in you and stirs up those old school sinful proclivities that exist in your own heart and soul. Your hands, what you build, what you make, what you touch, who you touch.
SPEAKER_01That's not your husband. That's not your wife. Your feet.
SPEAKER_02Where you go, who you quote unquote roll with. And you always tell yourself, their sin is not gonna rub off on me. Oh, yes, it is. The minute you walk at that door and go, it has rubbed off. I remember one time a friend of mine wanted to repay me, wanted to repay me a favor for dinner. I took him out to dinner. He was a pilot of Delta Airlines. Took him out to dinner when I lived in Atlanta for a couple of years. And he wanted to repay the favor, and so he took me out to dinner. He he said, Hey, meet me here. Turns out to be a strip club. I was furious.
SPEAKER_01And I'm like, what kind of person doesn't even ask? Just takes you there.
SPEAKER_02Your memories, the things you choose to remember, the thoughts that go through your mind, the things you imagine, your emotional, the things that you get emotional over, or the way you exercise certain emotions, your affections. These are all faculties, and it can all become tools employed either for righteousness or unrighteousness. What are you going to employ yours for?
SPEAKER_07Righteousness. Glory to God. That's what we need to do.
SPEAKER_02And listen, this is called a war for a reason. It's a war for a reason. These things are difficult because we recognize them.