INTRODUCTION: The 70 Weeks of Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27), part 4/5

If you’ve ever heard Daniel’s “seventy weeks” used like a blueprint for a future seven-year tribulation, we’re going to challenge that head-on by asking one stubborn question: what does it mean to “finish the transgression,” and did it already happen? We keep the conversation grounded in the actual wording of Daniel 9, especially the idea that the prophecy has a single objective with six connected outcomes. That forces a clear conclusion: either the seventy weeks deliver what they promise within the stated timeframe, or we’re being asked to stretch the text beyond recognition.

We press past generic answers and get specific. We argue that the “transgression” reaches its highest point at the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the innocent Son of God. That doesn’t dodge the personal side, either. We talk about Christian humility, how our sin stands behind the cross, and why blaming only “the Romans” or “the Jews” misses the deeper reality. From there we confront the logic behind dispensationalism, including the claim that a future tribulation must be worse than what happened at Calvary. We also call out the confusion of labeling it “seven years of tribulation” while saying the first half is peace.

Then we walk through Daniel’s timing clues: one week as seven years, the Messiah confirming a covenant, and the Messiah being “cut off” in the middle of the week. We connect that to Jesus beginning his ministry around age 30 and being crucified roughly three and a half years later. We also unpack what it means for sacrifice and oblation to cease, tying it to the new covenant in Christ’s blood, Hebrews, the change of priesthood, and the move from law to grace, ending with the garden picture of fig leaves versus God’s covering.

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Transcript

Muting Mics And Daniel 9 Setup

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Can you mute everybody? Because people don't realize how how loud the smallest noise comes through. All right. Thank you, sister. So here's the thing, everybody. He says 70 weeks are determined for your people and for the holy city. And he tells you these six things. So that means that the whole of this prophecy has one objective. The fulfillment of these six things. So the issue is this. Is has the transgression been finished or

What Does Finishing Transgression Mean

SPEAKER_04 0:45

not? And to begin with, I want to ask everybody, and I'm going to go around, it's going to be a simple question. I don't want a three-hour detour into the entire Bible. What the question I'm going to be asking is this what does it mean in your mind? Don't try to assume or presume upon what I think or what anybody else thinks. Your understanding of the scriptures, what does it mean to finish the transgression and has it been fulfilled? Yes or no? I'll start with my brother Jerry. Jerry? Okay, let's see. Uh Ben.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

It is finished.

SPEAKER_04 1:36

It is finished. The transgression has been finished. Now let me ask you a question. What do you think the finishing of the transgression is?

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Putting an end to the power of death that the devil had from the Paul that he had over mankind, which is the grave and giving them the opportunity to return to him.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

I mean it's return to who? Christ. Okay. So when you say the fit, so when so when you say to finish the transgression, say that again. What what is what does it mean for the transgression to be finished? What transgression? And when was it finished? And by who?

SPEAKER_03 2:22

On the cross by Christ.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

So whose transgression was it?

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Ours. Ours. Yes, as it was fulfilled in Azia as it had to come on us our punishment and transgression, our inequities, and all those things. But kids.

SPEAKER_04 2:38

Does anybody disagree?

SPEAKER_06 2:43

No. The finishing of the transgression would be the completion of God's plan and his defeat over sin and death.

SPEAKER_04 2:54

Right, but here's what I'm getting at. And Meg, you're right. But I'm asking, what is specifically, what specifically is the transgression that was finished? Death.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

Death.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

Jerry, what do you say?

SPEAKER_05 3:13

I agree, Brother Ben. Megan had me on mute, brother. I couldn't I couldn't say that.

SPEAKER_06 3:19

Sorry, Big Gravey. I'll unmute you, brother.

SPEAKER_05 3:22

But when I look at these and I and I read them over again, I see the finished work on the cross. John 17, Jesus said his work was finished. It was time for him to go back home. All right. I see an end to sin controlling people's lives. Jesus finding that ability through the good news. And uh I see the Prince of Peace bringing peace to our souls, a peace that passes all understanding. And we can live our lives fully committed to Christ to the day he comes and get us or takes us home. He accomplished all the prophecies that had anything to do with him. They all uh uh were pointing to him, and and and that's the beautiful thing of this when you were talking about tribulation. I was gonna say, Jonathan, was Jesus, did Jesus go through tribulation when he was here? Yeah, you think did his apostles go through tribulation when they was here? You think did his church go through tribulation?

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Do you think, brother? Listen. Let me let me Ray, you there, brother? Ray Robinson, you there? I want to ask Ray Robinson or Esko. You there, Esko? I think people don't know how to turn the mute or unmute the the thing. Papa, you there? Yeah, Esko, you there? Yeah. All right. Uh Jesus Jesus said it was finished on the cross. I know. So here's what I want to ask you. And when when raised from the dead, it was done. So here's what I want to ask, because I want to get specific. Okay? So hear me out. I want to ask you, I want to get specific. He says that the 70 weeks are determined for your for your people in the holy city, talking about the Israelites of nation, right? And he says, the first thing he says is to finish the transgression. What is the transgression and what is it to finish it? Before I hang up tonight, I want to understand I want us to all understand what is being spoken about about the transgression. What is the transgression that was finished? What was it? Let's go. The transgressions. Sin. More specific. Cross. But what about what more specific add to that one, Ray? There's something else I'm adding. I want to add to that. Because it is the death on the cross. Transgression of the law.

SPEAKER_05 5:59

Propitiation. Propion.

SPEAKER_04 6:03

It is, but there's still there's still there's still this is one thing I'm still looking for. Relationship? Nope.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Righteousness.

SPEAKER_04 6:13

Nope. Because righteousness wouldn't be finishing a transgression. That's something different.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

And well, and to fill up the vision and the prophecy, like to anoint the holy one.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

All right, here's what I'm what the Holy Spirit. Does anybody remember when Jesus said, Fulfill ye then the measure of anybody remember? Faith. No. Iniquity. Somebody said it in the comments.

SPEAKER_06 6:43

Fulfill ye then the measure of iniquity?

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Well, so here's what he's saying. Here's

The Ultimate Transgression Is The Cross

SPEAKER_04 6:49

what he says. The finishing the transgression, because the nation of Israel, under the old covenant, continued for all those years murmuring, complaining, disobeying, disobeying God. And then what would end up happening is they continued to sin against God. They asked for a king. They murmured about the, you know, about the not having food, not having war, all these things, all the things that led up. But when the prophecy here tells us to finish the transgression, it means basically to do your last and final ultimate dirty deed, which was what the death of Christ. Amen. They finished the transgression. There was nothing worse that humanity has ever done than to put our Lord and Savior on that tree. There is no greater sin ever done at the hands of men. None. Go ahead, Ben. What do you have to say, brother? Ben. Are you are you are you cut your ass in the speak?

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Yeah. Okay. As you were saying the death of Christ on the cross, and also with us believing in him, we die on the cross with him and are raised with him being born again and again. Right. That's all tied into that's what I was just gonna raise my hand and go, hey, we need to point out there. You know, see now here's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

In Christian humility, genuine Christian humility will recognize that we were part of what put him on that cross. Our sin. Put him on that cross.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

But every one of them.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

Every one of us. Because some people are gonna be like, we're gonna be strictly literal about this. We didn't do it. It was the Romans, it was the Jews, it was it was all of us who inherited sin.

SPEAKER_03 9:20

That's right. From Adam all the way down, all the way down.

SPEAKER_04 9:25

But the ultimate transgression, the ultimate transgression, which was finished, was when wicked hands laid hold upon our sovereign Lord Jesus Christ and put him on that cross. The innocent one, the son of God, he put him on that tree, and the transgression was finished, because there's nothing worse that can be done. And

Why A Future Tribulation Fails

SPEAKER_04 10:01

I'm gonna tell you about the lie of dispensationalism, because they tell you that no, there's something worse, there's a greater tribulation than like what my brother Jerry brought up, Big Gravy, when he says that that that that when Christ was on that cross, that was it. There is no greater transgression that any person could ever do than what was done to Christ, and to assume or to believe, or to teach that a tribulation is going to come in the future to fulfill this passage, because if it's future, then this passage has not been fulfilled. Which means that you have to teach people that there is a greater tribulation, there's a greater transgression to take place that transcends the wicked hands that put our Lord on that cross. Who wants to say that out loud? Anybody.

SPEAKER_06 11:15

Not I, said the fly.

SPEAKER_04 11:19

Anybody? Because if you're gonna tell me that there's a tribulation period coming that's gonna be so evil and wicked, it's got to be greater than the transgression that it took to put our Lord on that cross. Forgive my intensity on this one. I can't help myself, but this is something that needs to land in the mind and in the hearts of all my brothers and sisters. This needs to land, it needs to land. Daniel said that the first thing of his prophecy that was going to be fulfilled in this 70 weeks was the transgression being finished. The height, the very height of transgression was going to be fulfilled in this thing. And let me let me make one thing clear here. Let me make one thing clear here. With all six of these things, with all six of these things that had to be fulfilled, they have either all been fulfilled or none has been fulfilled. It wasn't like, okay, three of them are gonna be fulfilled in 1984, two are gonna be fulfilled in 2030, and then the last one's gonna be fulfilled in 3006. Well, no, because then how do you explain or what is the significance of telling you that what's gonna be fulfilled is going to be fulfilled in 490 years, not 4,000 years, 490 years. Go ahead, Papa. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

This generation shall not pass away before all these things be fulfilled. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

Nicole, what are you gonna say, sister?

Nicole Challenges The Seventieth Week

SPEAKER_00 13:28

I'm feeling Daniel, and I'm still going to that last week when he speaks, and and it speaks that week in the in the midst of that week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the ablation. Yes. So you don't think that's happened yet?

SPEAKER_04 13:50

I mean, the you don't think that's happened yet. Listen, if you go if you believe it, stand on it.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

I know. I'm trying, I'm because it's like a lot. Like with the with how the world has been, like, it's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

So I let me ask you a question. You said it. You said it. Have the sacrifices and oblation have they ceased? Simple. Yes or no? They either did or they did.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

They have not. And for the burden of abominations, he shall make it desolate. Like he's gonna stop it even until the consuming of it. And that torment shall be poured unto the desolate, upon the desolate. So it's just that last week, that last week.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

All right, all right, all right, hold on, hold on. I know I know what you're talking about. I'm gonna show you why you're wrong, sister. I'm gonna show you why you're wrong.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

In verse 27, it says that he shall, the Messiah, he will be cut off, but not for himself. And it says that he shall, in verse 27, did you quoted, he shall confirm a covenant, a covenant. There it is. With many for one week.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

One week, yes.

SPEAKER_04 15:17

Now that one week is is the 70th week. Do we agree?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

No. The only reason I'm gonna say we don't is because this is an after three-score and two weeks, Shell Messiah be cut off. And that's in 26.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

I don't know. That's after 69 weeks, sister. That's the 70th week.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Yeah, so after three, after three-score and two weeks, Shell Messiah be cut off.

SPEAKER_04 15:44

What are we talking about? That's at the so listen. Hold on. Here's the way. Forget the timeline for a second. All right? Because he because you don't you really what what the events that take place tell you the timeline. Because when was the messiah cut off? Who is the messiah and when was he cut off?

SPEAKER_00 16:08

The messiah is is Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 16:10

And when was he cut off?

SPEAKER_00 16:13

I have the three-score in two weeks. So three scores is what?

SPEAKER_04 16:17

No, no. When in the week? In the last week, when was he cut off?

SPEAKER_00 16:24

He wasn't cut off in the last week.

SPEAKER_06 16:27

Are you sure? I believe I I agree with Lisa when he was crucified.

SPEAKER_00 16:31

No, it says he shall confirm the covenant in the with many for one week.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

What's the covenant that he was confirming?

SPEAKER_00 16:38

So was that between like when he was cut off? I don't know. Like it's because it says, and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week, and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice of the ablation to cease.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

All right. So stop right. Hold hold on stick with me there for a second. All right. Because this is worth me detouring a little bit. All right. The we we've established that each week represents how many years? Nicole. How many years is one week?

SPEAKER_00 17:15

One week was was it seven years?

SPEAKER_04 17:17

Seven years is one week.

unknown 17:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:20

Okay.

Midweek Math For Jesus Ministry

SPEAKER_04 17:22

When did Jesus Christ start? How old was Jesus Christ when he started his ministry? How old was he?

SPEAKER_00 17:29

12.

SPEAKER_04 17:30

No. When he started his ministry.

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Oh, like out 30.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

30. 30. Now we don't know what month or day. We don't know. But we know he was 30. Joseph was 30 when he became king of Egypt. David was 30 when he became king of Israel. Jesus was 30 when he got baptized by John the Baptist in the River Jordan. 30 years old. And by the way, that was the anointing of the Most Holy. However, let's go, let's get back to this here. Jesus Christ started when he was 30 years old. But it says that he was cut off in the midst of the week. But not for himself. How many years is a week?

SPEAKER_00 18:25

So it'll be seven years. So that would be the Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 18:28

Just just follow me. A week is seven years correctly. Jesus started his ministry at what age?

SPEAKER_00 18:37

You said well, we're saying 30.

SPEAKER_04 18:40

No, I'm asking you, what do you say? How old was Jesus when he began his ministry? Nicole, it's 30, girl. We gotta get to the next.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

I know, I know it's 30.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

No, no, here's the problem. You don't want to admit what is clear. He was 30. All right?

SPEAKER_00 19:03

He was 30 years old. He was 30, but when he started his ministry. But when he really, I mean, like, if and I'm just I'm not trying to go all over the place with the Bible. I'm just saying the fact that he was actually, well, well, you know what? Starting his ministry, correct.

SPEAKER_04 19:21

Because he was being ministered to, but he also was ministering to his his Jesus was 30 years old when he turned water into wine. Okay? He was 30 years old when he was baptized by John. This is not a hard question. See, this is what I'm talking about. How do we how do we preach to people?

SPEAKER_00 19:40

I'm not preaching to anybody. I'm just listening.

SPEAKER_04 19:43

No, but no, but no, but what's the point of learning this stuff if you're not gonna tell anybody?

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Well, I all I was saying was that he was 12 when he started his journey, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

That's not what I've asked, though. I asked when he started his ministry. I didn't ask you when he was born or what he was doing at 12 years old in the temple, because there's nothing in there about him preaching the ministry. There's nothing in there about that. He started his ministry when he was baptized. He was 30 years old. Every Christian knows that, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:10

I would say, yeah, I would say 30 when he started his ministry.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

I mean, is there is there a question about that? Or yes? I mean, I'm I want you to be convinced. Tell me with conviction how old he was when he began his ministry. This isn't hard.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

With conviction? Yeah. I know it's 30. A lot of people will say 30. I'll say 12. And I know that that's, I mean, maybe it's wrong for me to say 12.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

Well, here, well, let me well let me tell you this then. If he was 12, then you have a bigger problem. Because that means that this was fulfilled much sooner than what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

Do you understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 20:47

I I understand what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

You're the 70 weeks of Daniel, if it ends with the Messiah, and what you're saying is that is that this is tied into with him being 12, then that means that this was fulfilled sooner than what I'm saying. Do you see that?

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:11

All right.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Yeah, and I yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

Now, it says here in verse 27 that he, the Messiah, shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. We said that one week was seven years. We say that he started his ministry at 30. Now, and it says that he was cut off in the middle of the week. He was cut off in the middle of the week. Now, if he was cut off in the middle of the week and he started his ministry at the beginning of the week, how many years Jesus Christ when he was? To the cross. 33. Which was when?

SPEAKER_00 22:04

In the middle of the week.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

There you go. In the middle of the week. Now, let's go back to these dispensational view. They

Covenant Confirmed Not Antichrist Treaty

SPEAKER_04 22:18

say that there's going to be a seven-year tribulation, which is what I'm sure you, Nicole, were believing, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:24

No, I wasn't really on the tribulation thing at all. Like I just, I read the word.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, sister. You were saying that there's another week out there floating in space. You said it a few times.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Well, I said that because that's what it says.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

It doesn't say that. Where does it say that?

SPEAKER_00 22:51

In Daniel 27, 927.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

Where? Tell me where it says that.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Who will? And in the midst of the week, he shall cause the but here's what I'm asking, Nicole.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

Here's what I'm asking. Who will be confirming the covenant with many for one week? Who will be doing this?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 23:16

So if Jesus is doing that, then how can this be in our future if it happened when he came here? That was a question.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

I I heard the question. I just I don't know. I don't, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

Alright. So here's what I want to here's what I want to ask. We've all heard, most of us have heard this dispensational teaching, the seven-year tribulation. And here's what they say. First, they say they call it a seven-year tribulation. But in reality, they will tell you that the first half of the tribulation is a period of peace. Three and a half years, a period of peace. And then they say that all hell breaks loose when this quote unquote antichrist figure breaks a treaty with Israel, which boggles the mind. Not in the Bible. But let's humor them. They say, so, because I always ask them, why do you call it seven years of tribulation if it's actually only three and a half years of tribulation? If the first half is a peaceful time and the treaty is broken at three and a half years in, then why do you call it seven year tribulation when it's actually only three and a half years of tribulation? Mind boggling. But let's rewind a little bit. He was the prince of peace, and what did he preach? The gospel of what?

SPEAKER_06 25:50

You better learn how to use that mute, but that mute and none you big gravy.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

Ray, go ahead, brother. What are you saying?

SPEAKER_01 25:59

So I say he's Prince of Peace, and he taught the gospel of Ramsayan.

SPEAKER_04 26:04

That's right. He preached the gospel of peace. Now, so we have to ask ourselves this. Take that 70th week. We have to conclude one of two ways based on what's out there today in the ethos, in the out there in the atmosphere. One, there's a future period or three and a half years of peace during the seven-year tribulation period. Or we read from this passage, which talks about the beginning of the ministry of Christ, who is the Prince of Peace and who preached the gospel of peace to lost souls, and he did it for three and a half years. Just happens to be three and a half years. He was somewhere in his 33rd year of living. But no, this isn't talking about Christ. This is talking about some other future period which has nothing to do with Christ. But we concluded early on in this conversation that all 300 prophecies of the Bible pointed to Christ. So Christ says, it says here that he would confirm a covenant. What covenant are we talking about? Because this covenant has either already been established or is coming in the future. Now here's the thing the dispensationalists in their wicked doctrines will tell you that the covenant was made at the beginning of the tribulation period between Israel and who knows whoever, with the Antichrist. And that that treaty is broken. But that's not that what it's talking about. The covenant is the covenant that Christ made with us by his broken body and his shed blood.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

When you read it, I I grabbed my eight pen and wrote Hebrews down, right? Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Nicole, you mad at me, sister? All right. You must say, I love you to death, girl. Listen.

From Moses To New Covenant

SPEAKER_04 28:49

The Bible knows of only two covenants. I don't know any other covenant, other than two. Does anybody want to share what the first one was?

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Love God.

SPEAKER_04 29:03

What's that? The law. The covenant of law under Moses. Yeah, it was the Old Testament. The covenant of Moses. The law. The Old Testament. And that's it. And that's it. This right here is saying in Daniel 9, it is saying that the Messiah in verse 26, he will confirm the covenant in verse 27 with many for one week. And it says, in the middle of the week, when he's around 33 years old, he's 33 years old, in the middle of the week, he will bring an end of sacrifice and oblation, which is what my sister Nicole said. Now, Christians, is sacrifice and oblation has it ceased, or is it still continuing today?

SPEAKER_02 29:54

It ceased. It's spiritually. It's spiritually now because we got Romans 12:1. We gotta bring ourselves as a living sacrifice.

SPEAKER_04 30:05

Well, what I'm saying, I understand that. We're not talking about that though. We're talking about what actually happened when Christ died. Oh, okay, okay. Okay. All right. So when he died, it was by his death that he confirmed the covenant for a week. Remember, he took communion with his people and he says, What? This is my what? Covenant.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

My body and my body and my blood. And this is the blood of the new covenant. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 30:33

And when there's a change of priesthood, there's a change of law.

SPEAKER_05 30:38

That made you always read my mind, girl.

SPEAKER_06 30:43

And that's why it says that Jesus had to come in the order of Melchizedek because his kingdom was eternal, just like Melchizedek's. And so when there was a change in the priesthood, then there was a change of law, and that's when we move from law to grace.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Right? Because Christ couldn't be a high priest here on this earth.

SPEAKER_06 31:07

Yeah, and and the Sabbath is Christ because we rest in him. Amen.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Now, my question Yes, that's right. The new wok. Now let me ask you this.

Fig Leaves Versus God Covering

SPEAKER_02 31:21

Go ahead, brother. With Adam and Eve in the garden. Okay, let's go. Let me take you to John 8.58, real quick, where Jesus says, Before Abraham was I am. I am is a form of the verb to be, and it means self-existent. Right. Okay. Right. So let's go back to the garden. Adam and Eve put fig leaves, they covered yourself with fig leaves. Their own works. Only, only yeah, of the flesh. Only a high priest could make an animal sacrifice. Well, see, who made the sacrifice in the garden? God. That's right. After the order of Melchizedek.

SPEAKER_06 32:08

They had, yes, they had they couldn't cover themselves. They tried to use their own works to cover themselves, which was the fig leaves. And God said, Oh no, you can't cover you. I have to cover you. So therefore, you have to be naked before I can clothe you with my righteousness. Right? Because being naked shows your flesh. You have no covering.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

And what