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This Woman Fought 22 Years for Water | Angie Pajak (E164)
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What happens when the conversation about water goes far beyond what we drink?
Chef JKP sits down with Angie Pająk, CEO of Greentech by Aquacell, for a different kind of episode.
From childhood food memories in Poland to studying across four universities, Angie’s story moves through hospitality, sustainability, wellness, water technology, plastics, and the challenge of turning big environmental ideas into real action.
This is a conversation about water, yes.
But also about stress, health, hotels, kitchens, microplastics, climate systems, and why some of the simplest things we use every day may deserve a lot more attention.
WHAT YOU WILL HEAR IN THIS EPISODE
• Growing up around scientists and water research in Poland
• Why Angie never felt she fit inside traditional education
• Studying across four universities and living in Italy and the UK
• How Aquacell and Greentech started
• The relationship between hospitality, water, and wellness
• The idea behind wireless water technology
• Why plastic, water, and sustainability are deeply connected
• Why climate conversations need more action and less talk
CHAPTERS
00:00 Childhood food memories in Poland
08:00 Growing up around scientists and water research
16:00 Four universities, Italy, and life in the UK
31:00 The beginnings of Aquacell and Greentech
44:00 EMF, technology, and modern stress
01:02:00 Water technology and hospitality applications
01:18:00 Plastic, sustainability, and climate systems
02:18:00 Burnout, wellness, and recharging ourselves
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SPEAKER_03They get crazy once they hear about pasta and strawberries.
SPEAKER_01Pasta and strawberries?
SPEAKER_03It's an excuse in.
SPEAKER_01I believe that you've gone to four universities.
SPEAKER_03I went to more, but I finished four.
SPEAKER_01We finished four. In English, we say it's very studious, you know, that you really like to study. And no, you don't like to study? No. So why did you go to four different universities? What advice would you give to 16-year-old Angie?
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh, that was the most horrible time of my lifetime. Like run away from high school, like never never go back there.
SPEAKER_01Hello my friends, and a very warm welcome back to the Chef JKP podcast. Well, before we dive into today's episode, if you haven't already, please do not forget to hit that all important subscribe button on YouTube or press follow wherever you get your podcasts, as it helps us to grow the show and keep on bringing you the most fascinating conversations with the most inspirational guests. That's all we will ever ask. Today is a bit of a different show. We're going down a completely different road. Today's episode touches on something incredibly important for the future of sustainability and hospitality. Our guest is Angie Pajak, the CEO of Green Tech by Aquacell, a company focused on water sustainability and environmental innovation. Now, water might not be the first thing that people think about when they talk about restaurants, but it should be. Because water is at the heart of something you know hospitality has. Not just from farming or food production and cooking, it's everywhere if you think about it. Well, today we're gonna talk about sustainability, innovation, and how technology can help to shape a better future for the industry and everyone as a whole. It is really fascinating, team. So listen up for a story about local chefs. Time to rock and roll.
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SPEAKER_01Angie, a very warm welcome to the show. Now, as is customary, the very first question always, whether you're on food or not, can you tell me your first or favorite childhood food memory?
SPEAKER_03Hi, James. Thank you for having me. So the favorite one, if I don't think about it too much, is um a kind of ban that you make on the vapor with a fresh um raspberry or uh the fruits from the forest, let's say, uh that usually your grandma does it for you.
SPEAKER_01So just for anyone to know, where exactly in the world are you from? Poland. So and tell me, because I'm not too familiar with Polish food, right? So you need to give me a bit of education. So when when you were younger, so when you're saying about forest fruits, what were the sort of traditional um, let's say, foods around a family meal?
SPEAKER_03Well, uh, I'm not sure if we were ever so traditional at home, uh, but usually Poland is associated with several types of dumplings, like uh and also the sweet type of pasta, which Italians they they get crazy once they hear about pasta and strawberries. Pasta and strawberries. I think our uh tennis player Inga Sionte, once they asked her recently in one of uh championships she won what's her favorite food, she said pasta with strawberries.
SPEAKER_01I've never heard of that before.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Pasta and strawberries. But it's I think these sweet pasta things were more coming from that we were a communistic country, so you really didn't have access to other food. But most of um Polish meals are very heavy, so there is a lot of cabbage and they are cooked for a long time. Uh, this kind of uh food, which is again associated with the climate which we used to have before, now we don't have it anymore. We don't have the real winter and we don't have to warm up that much like before.
SPEAKER_01Right. And then when you're talking about your favorite childhood meal, tell me, explain to me a little bit more about this bun with the the forest fruits.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it was the only one sister of my grandma that was doing that perfect. They were like five, I think. And we were going in the summer with my brother to spend some time, and we were collecting this fruit ourselves in the in the forest or also in the garden, and then she was preparing these uh buns for all kids. And they never, if you buy them in the shop, like you know, the packed ones, they never taste that uh you never really can repeat this uh taste anymore.
SPEAKER_01And what types of fruits were you sort of picking in the forest?
SPEAKER_03Uh this rasp this black black black currant or blackberries? Blackberries, um also uh raspberries, uh strawberries, but they were not really this the part of this memory.
SPEAKER_01Okay. But so so but also because I'm thinking they're wild, yeah, of course. So they're were they quite sweet or quite bitter?
SPEAKER_03No, they were sour.
SPEAKER_01Oh sour.
SPEAKER_03So it was never like uh over sweet meal, like pasta with strawberries.
SPEAKER_01I was gonna say, that's the next one. I'm gonna try that recipe at some point.
SPEAKER_03No, don't do that. It's I think it's worse than pizza with uh pineapple. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, yeah, I haven't had many Italians here, but that that's uh that's a good one. So so look, then um if I get into a little bit of your education, because then we'll obviously talk about what you're what you're doing right now. When when did you sort of get a feel for what you wanted to do? Was it during high school, college, or university?
SPEAKER_03Uh none of those, I believe. So I was uh I was living in nature, my mother was a scientist, so we grew up in scientific camp. So our playground was 10 hectares of forest and scientific camp.
SPEAKER_01But but what was she?
SPEAKER_03She was studying water. So we were playing basically with professors and other scientists. We had the first computers, I believe, in the country. Uh so we were doing all sorts of um interesting things which were not available for other kids, let's say. So we we were raised in total freedom. So then actually school was not the place to enjoy because they were trying to put you in a certain, you know, this hole, like the the kids they have this toy and they have to put rectangle square and you don't fit in none of them. So they try to tell you that you are weird or something is wrong with you. So then I was cooking, I was cooking with my imaginary friend since I was six, and I remember I got a first um toaster from Teffal, with it was like a double one that you had a toaster and a mini Owen. So I was continuously doing my hot dogs with melted cheese. Probably now I wouldn't eat hot dogs anymore. Or I was making a uh show of uh cottage cheese, cutting the veggies and playing that I'm on TV, which actually happened many years later, and then um that was the good part, and then I got back to that once I moved to Italy after high school.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so when you decide, you know, obviously you had the the background of you know hanging around with scientists and professors, which sounds very interesting. But then what did you decide to do at university?
SPEAKER_03Well, I passed many universities.
SPEAKER_01What was the first one?
SPEAKER_03Uh the first one was um Pisa, Italy. I was studying social science because that was the only thing I could actually pass exams for, and the only reason why I picked this place was that I fall in love with an Italian, of course. And it wasn't Did he like pineapple on pizza?
SPEAKER_01No, okay.
SPEAKER_03No, he actually teached me to cook many interesting stuff, and we never ate pasta with strawberries, no way. Um but I remember the exam at the university, and it wasn't that easy because we were not yet in European Union because it was 2003. So we joined a year later, so the amount of bureaucracy and all this stuff you had to do was really like 99% of people were just giving up in Warsaw, not even getting to the university. And I remember the exam, you had like a writing, and people were like writing like crazy like pages. That Turkish girl next to me, she had like 20 pages. I had half of the page. I didn't see a reason to say more about these questions. I don't remember those. But then there was an oral exam, and they ask you why you want to study here. And everyone was like, Oh, because this is the oldest university in Italy, or because this and this and this, and then they go like and you. I was like, I just fell in love, and my boyfriend is studying here, so that's it. Nice, and they're like approved.
SPEAKER_01Beautiful, yeah, straightforward. But throughout your life, you know, and and I believe that you've gone to four universities.
SPEAKER_03I went to more, but I finished four.
SPEAKER_01We finished four, which is um, it's very you know, in English we say it's very studious, you know, that you really like to study. I don't know, you don't like to study? No. But so why did you go to four different universities?
SPEAKER_03I was using opportunities. So uh first uh I left this Italy and then I restarted again. Um, but uh I didn't enjoy it anymore, so I went to UK to refresh English. Uh but actually I ended up in Wales and that was nothing about English. So once you hear Yahidah, you know it's not English at all.
SPEAKER_00It's Welsh.
SPEAKER_03So then I was working there in uh in a hotel which was supposed to be a contract to see how you manage the hotel, but it was a scam. So basically they kicked me out next day on the street so I could cry and go home or do something about that. So I did. And then once I was still in UK, I started to uh study remotely in American university in Poland, and that one I really enjoyed because it was a real, real things. And I finished a bachelor, and there was like a switch in Poland that you didn't have to do really five years master, you could do this bachelor. So I was fed up of going there because it was in the middle of nowhere, because the guy had really brilliant ideas, but it was middle of nowhere. So I moved for a short while to Krakow uh to um march to make like the fashion uh shops or whatever, but comparing to this American studies, this university was like 50 years backwards. Right, okay. So I went back to do my master there, but I found out because I like to do a lot in a short time, that you can have a double master writing just one thesis, and in the meantime, there was also a hole in the regulation so you could do at the same time the postmaster studies.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03So I did three in uh like two years, just to push it in.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So you really like did a lot in that time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because it's not an easy thing to do. Some people would would struggle doing one, let alone do three.
SPEAKER_03I like challenges, you know. And I remember that I was studying, I was living in UK, so the guy who was teaching English, he told me, like, just don't come, Angie, because this is like a downgrade for you to just start the basic English, just come for the exam. And then in Masters, sorry, no, in the last year of bachelor's, they changed this guy, and there was a new lady. So uh she repeated this uh this like agreement that I will just come to do the exams, but she wasn't that uh friendly anymore at the exam. And uh I remember I had three hours to write it and I did it in 30 minutes, so she was just upset. And then we went to oral part and she started to ask me about my life, and it looks like my life was much more uh interesting than hers. So she put me the lowest degree you can have, almost like not to finish study. So to go against that, because this is what I do all my life. I wrote my physics in English. So if I'm so dumb, I can't speak English, I just wrote the physics in English.
SPEAKER_01And then you know, the rest is history, as they say. Yeah, but look, what I want to get into, and and and this is not a space that we've talked about on this podcast before, but I think it's extremely interesting, is about the company that you are the CEO of. So Green Tech and AquaCell and Aquavitas, we're gonna talk about all of those things. But before we talk about that, can you just sort of tell me what is the main thing that Green Tech actually does for people who have never heard of you? Can you just explain a bit about what you do?
SPEAKER_03Basically, I would have to start from Aqua Cell to explain what Green Tech is doing. Because uh my mother founded AquaCell in 2003, and uh the core of it was wireless water technology and technology to reduce electromagnetic radiation. Both are still totally ignored, even we celebrated 22 years of the component this August. So I joined her in 2006 once I started this American university, and I was not really passionate about that, I was just doing office work. But then over the years, uh doing also health workshops with people six times a year, I just fell in love with our tech and all this, what we were doing. And I always knew since I started to come to Dubai that this is a place for us and our tech. And I found out so many applications of our tech that I founded green tech, which is not only our tech but entire systems where you can uh you can like uh cover the big picture, not only the tech. So we also associate other partners to solve entire problems that the planet has.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so the first one for anybody who doesn't know what is electromagnetic radiation?
SPEAKER_03So basically, there is natural fields that Earth has, but there is also uh electron uh frequencies that come from our activity. So all the systems we are using, building cabling high voltage, Wi-Fi, 5G, 5.5G, 6G, all these networks which uh are kinda harmful for us, and they are I believe the most ignored factor in terms of climate change.
SPEAKER_01Right. So so this is more to do with climate change as as in as in electromagnetic radiation, right? So that's that's one point, right? And then uh so what so before we get into green tech, AquaCell has been going for how long? Since 2003, you say 22 years. So 22 years, and how many markets are you in now?
SPEAKER_03Uh most of Europe, but our main market is uh UAE.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So if you you know, because I know that you've spoken to a lot of of governments and diplomats and you know quite big people who are highly responsible for for climate change, and I want to understand how do you approach them with this subject to say, look, we've found or we have a potential solution for you. Do they want to listen? Do they not want to listen?
SPEAKER_03Do I have to answer this question? Uh well, I started to come to UAE in 2011. And before I did any business interaction or any approach of the government, I studied most of Visions of His Highness. I read the books, I was observing what's happening here, what's going on. And the first meeting I think I did in 2017. It was Global Business Forum Afri for Africa. And since then I did, I think, 500 conferences, 5,000 meetings, and uh 14,000 emails related to water, climate, explaining, knowledge sharing, and if you squeeze it maybe 10% uh came up with something real.
SPEAKER_01But what about then before UAE and in Europe? Do the leaders there, are they willing to listen? Are they more open or not really?
SPEAKER_03I never even started. And once Mart Emirati told me a long time ago that the difference between UAE and Europe or Western countries is that you have the leadership which is followed. So no matter what will happen, this vision is implemented. And in Western countries, you have four years of uh government more less. Right. So you have two years before election, then you have like uh stuff in between and then preparation for next election. And I have never seen ever, not on in Poland more but most of countries, that new people who come, they follow, you know. They all always put something upside down, like education, healthcare, taxes. They never say like, oh, they did a good job, we will keep it.
SPEAKER_01Okay. It doesn't work this way. So with the did you say 17,000 or 14,000 emails?
SPEAKER_0314,000. I checked yesterday, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So within within you know these 14,000 emails, within all of the conferences and all of the education that you have done from 2017 onwards, you said only roughly 10% is is are being implemented.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, more or less.
SPEAKER_01So first of all, before I talk about the things that are implemented, why are people not necessarily wanting to listen more? Because it's quite important.
SPEAKER_03Well, because they have different interests, and you have to remember that no matter how amazing is UAE government, uh there is and leadership and all this, there is big lobbies worldwide. So if you consider that only water chemicals are worth 38 billion, and they are gonna be worth uh twenty billion by 2029, this is one answer to your question.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03Then we touch telecom, which doesn't want you to know that the EMF is harmful.
SPEAKER_01And what's EMF?
SPEAKER_03Electromagnetic frequencies.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03So we are not absolutely against tech because no one wants to go to medieval times, but there are solutions which can let you use the tech and protect you. Uh you and you have these. Yes, right. And even if you go on the website. Of uh iPhone, you can read that you have to keep your phone two meters from your body to stay uh safe. So be and and all other laptops and sorts of text. So if you didn't read it, it's actually your fault that you were misusing this equipment, not the provider of technology, because you were warned, but you just didn't read it.
SPEAKER_01So you didn't read the you know the 68 pages.
SPEAKER_03Who was reading that? Yeah, nobody's just buying new phone and you're excited to print your sim and that's it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Okay. So then if I talk about this electro EMF or electromagnetic frequencies. Frequencies, how does your company sort of help with this?
SPEAKER_03Basically, we have technology which is um streaming another frequency uh from 50 meter or the big one one kilometer radius. So it creates a shield and that um that makes the artificial fields created by us not being harmful anymore for us. So also you improve air uh quality, you change the combustion of gases. So for example, in Europe we have the device in our headquarters which covers one kilometer radius, and the gardens which work with us for 15 years now, they have another one, so we cover together more or less four square kilometers. So in this area, once uh in winter there is bad air still, even though most of people change to gas uh but prices are higher and so on. So still some people just burn some uh crap. So in this area you have just a pure uh air, and also in Dubai our partner Mi Hotel uses our tech, and during the flood, and that was the only area which had the perfect uh air and smell.
SPEAKER_01I want to understand this a bit more because I think this is quite interesting. So this shield that you're talking about, this tech, can anybody buy it? Yeah. And and how how big is it to install in your house, for example?
SPEAKER_03It's just uh brick uh twenty-eight hexagon, because hexagon is the perfect shape in nature. So it's around twenty-eight centimeters and twenty-five centimeters tall.
SPEAKER_01So it's not too big, it's not big, it's not massive. No, it's not and how much does it cost?
SPEAKER_03It costs two thousand five hundred and twenty dollars and it lasts with you forever.
SPEAKER_01Ah, so you buy it one time? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So basically, I think it's gonna be more or less four dollars per day for one year, which is less than uh coffee and Starbucks.
SPEAKER_01Okay, and can you tell me the name of the of the Vitatronic? So my Techtronic.
SPEAKER_03Vitatronic.
SPEAKER_01Vitatronic, sorry. Okay, so Vitatronic. And how can people buy this? If they want directly hear what you're saying, they're thinking this is really interesting. I want to be able to protect myself, my kids. How can they buy it?
SPEAKER_03We have currently four showrooms in Dubai. One is Joint Space Clinic in Al Cerkal Avenue, so they can order there. A second one is Mi Hotel, a business by beautiful building, Zaha Hadith Opus, and this is the second one. Uh the third one is the new venture with developer of the healthiest building in the world, Ewa, uh in the IFC, and then the Koraspa in Jumeira.
SPEAKER_01So they can buy it all there. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03Some of them they keep stock, some they order just in time once because uh as uh water tech is one, the space uh it has different colors and so on. Okay. So uh no one wants to keep, I don't know, 20 black and client will want ivory.
SPEAKER_01And and where would you so so for example, if I'm talking about not a hotel, but I'm talking about just a traditional villa, where would you keep it?
SPEAKER_03You would keep it in a living room because I'm part of uh device covering the space. Once you put it under the confiture and you come back tired from work and you sit 15-20 minutes, you regenerate the entire body.
SPEAKER_01How how and who came up with this sort of uh the design and the technology? How did you come up with it?
SPEAKER_03Well, my mother came up with that again, but uh we were a Soviet country and so on, and then she didn't have very good business partners, and then she met uh Austrian family. Actually, the the the founder, co-founder is German, but he lives in Austria. So they set up a joint venture and uh and they we kept upgrading the tech together since 22 years now.
SPEAKER_01Because it sounds but it sounds almost too good to be true. Yeah, you know, it's a small device almost that protects you, you know, really really protects the entire family almost, uh, and you know, regenerates you, you said after the a long day. But again, why aren't more people knowing about this? Because it's quite a big deal, especially in this day and age with so much technology, so much EMF around. People need to know about it, no?
SPEAKER_03Again, we come back to lobby. So we touch free lobbies with these chemicals, telecom, and plastic. They are all growing, they are not uh becoming smaller. So we can't go and shout to people like, oh my gosh, this is killing you. Right. Because we will disappear.
SPEAKER_02Okay, sure, sure, sure.
SPEAKER_03So you have to be very careful talking about these topics, even though they are obvious. However, it's easier now because 22 years ago to sell wireless water tech people thought we are crazy, and now you charge your phone wireless. So now we meet two challenges, which one is uh of I leave lobby aside. Now we meet people who try to under covering it through partnerships, they try to copy our tech. So after 22 years, we know which device falls down on the floor and which one match screwdriver. Like you can't like we know it. It's like a car crash tests, you do it on and on so you know how it looks afterwards. And the second one is like a very friendly agreement that try to basically get rid of you.
SPEAKER_01The other one is because there's a lot of questions around this. How did you actually or or or your mum test this specific type of technology?
SPEAKER_03Well, is she uh technology or a water structure?
SPEAKER_01I want to understand first of all about the Vitatronic. Yes. Because you said you it took you know it's the EMF, first of all, protects you from that, and at the same time, from a human perspective, yeah, you said it also charges you completely, right? So how how did you manage to do these tests?
SPEAKER_03Well, the we did a big study in uh Graz uh Institute in the three four floor building with a special equipment that usually is owned by uh universities or military and so on, which is clearly showing like a it looks like a thermal map that you have these colors and then after a while they become uh just green. So all these red things are disappearing.
SPEAKER_01And what about for humans? How did you test it?
SPEAKER_03Humans uh that was a fun story because uh I've been to I don't know how many lectures of my mother, you know. Uh but sometimes uh I I hear something new again, even after almost 20 years we worked together. And I always remember this picture of Oberon, which is a uh and the study we did with water in Vienna, uh where the um the students were drinking uh like water, dead water and living water, and it's showing energy uh in your body.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03So I was in one meeting before lockdown, and it was very unique that someone asked me if I can prove that our tech helps people, because usually they ask if they can save money or energy or this kind of stuff. So I started to look for this Oberon in Dubai, and I went to a holistic clinic in Umsakim, and then I saw voila, by well, it must be this. And I found this scanner, which is invention of a Russian uh professor from St. Petersburg. He has several faculties in different optometrics physics, and he came up with this machine where you like put your finger like on a finger thing at the airport and it scans your energy in meridians, which are like cables in our body. And then I thought this is a brilliant idea to show before and after. And I started to scan random people, I had no idea what's gonna be the result, and all of them sitting 15 minutes over vitatronic were showing reduced stress, uh higher energy, and all the chakras aligned. No way, and even the guy who was running horrible lifestyle, but he was living with vitatronic, so it means that it during sleep, even he was not direct, he had the best results. Yeah. And also this device has extension for water and the space.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so explain that to me.
SPEAKER_03So you put like this device as a brain, and then you have Sputnik, it's called like it looks like needles, and it captures energy in the building. So I've been scanning uh banks in uh Dubai, but even like first is like show us, proof us this and this and that. Even you show it that there is a chaos and then with Vitatronic it's totally balanced. They ask like what's the scale of balance? There's no scale. Balance is balance, right?
SPEAKER_01Because I'm just thinking uh this is really uh important information, especially in in a day and age where uh stress is so prevalent wherever you go, even if you try to relax, there's still a lot of stress with uh so many electronic gadgets. You can't ever switch off from work because there's constant WhatsApp or phone or email. So and if I take it back to uh hospitality, you know very well that uh there is a huge amount of pressure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It doesn't matter if you're a general manager of a hotel or a chef or bartender, everybody has super high.
SPEAKER_03I should be a bartender.
SPEAKER_01So so you know, you know, you know how you're dealing with people all the time and it's go go go. But it sounds like uh the type of tech which can almost save your life, uh almost elongate your life. I want to understand, you know, and if it's if it's a money thing, is that purely why people uh don't know about it enough?
SPEAKER_03You mean money the lobbies or yes? Well, um some of them they just don't care, they are excited about AI and all this stuff. They they never took off the headphones, they sleep i see often in the beach people who come for regeneration and they walk in the water with phone, uh watch and headphones, which they are making uh antenna from the body, so all these things are uh going through your system. I'm sure everyone watched um a movie where someone was plugging hairdryer or something and then putting uh legs up not to get shocked. So why you do that with these uh devices?
SPEAKER_01It's the same.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So look, so that's number one, that's really interesting. But then if we talk about uh green tech, what is green tech?
SPEAKER_03Well green tech is a baby brand of AquaCell.
SPEAKER_01Baby brand.
SPEAKER_03So a part of uh a part of devices. We also have joint venture with um with Polish company which produces packaging from biopolymers, and it's purely biopolymers, so if you threw it in the sea, it's gonna be food for fish in 35 days.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so so what is for for anybody who doesn't know, what is a biopolymer, first of all?
SPEAKER_03It's uh polymers made from plant waste or four-fifth category of uh plants. So this is plants which will never be eaten by animal or human.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_03Because again, Lobby is saying that oh, this is bad because you use food and people are starving and all sorts of stuff, and this is not true because you use waste or you use um plants which, however, will not be uh used for any other purpose.
SPEAKER_01Okay. And and this these biopolymers uh basically will waste away uh after going in the sea if they're not used or they'll go back into the ground and read.
SPEAKER_03This is if they are used uh just like our over control, and I don't know, people threw them away, they will dissolve when they will nourish the soil. But if you do it properly, like for example, you take Emirates Airlines, which has huge impact, and they replace everything in that. First of all, they don't have to differentiate the waste on the plane because they can put everything together cutlery caps, you know, all sorts of stuff.
SPEAKER_01So from a recycling perspective, it will be super easy.
SPEAKER_03And then you can put it in the machine at the airport, and with certain bacteria in 45 days, it's gonna become organic fertilizer, which you can use for farmers, landscaping.
SPEAKER_01For anything.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01That's really amazing.
SPEAKER_03But again, it's also imagine that they cutter all the airlines which are landing here. Correct. So they have a global impact.
SPEAKER_01But again, plastic lobbying is an issue.
SPEAKER_03Uh also regulations, because we reached the level of samples for Emirates flight cuttering, and it wasn't that easy because you know it's very costly to make this shape, this and this for chefs who were testing. Uh, but then uh there are two things. First of all, I think uh companies are obliged to source locally, and still we didn't find the partner even though we wanted to transfer know-how from these guys. And second thing is that once uh um procurement they benchmark, they do a horrible error because they benchmark to um compostable. And compostable is uh anything because it can be compostable in 400 years. So it has to be compostable and biodegradable.
SPEAKER_01So what's the difference then between biodegradable?
SPEAKER_03Sorry, biodegradable is that it's gonna become the uh smaller pieces very quickly. But even plastic is biodegradable in 500 years. Yes, exactly, over a long period of time. But it must be compostable. So if you benchmark, then they come and they say, oh, it's uh too expensive. But actually after lockdown, these biopolymers became uh the same price as plastic.
SPEAKER_01And and the biopolymers, you're telling me that after 45 days with some specific chemicals.
SPEAKER_03No chemicals, or no chemicals at all.
SPEAKER_01Ah, the bacteria, sorry.
SPEAKER_03Like you make cabbage fermenting or yeah.
SPEAKER_01So after that, they start they they they're breaking, they're already breaking down and then they can be used for compost so on and so on and so forth. So those biopolymers, and is that part of what you're doing at GreenTech for the smaller baby company?
SPEAKER_03Yes. Also, we start to build digital tools like plastic uh B2B, which uh is gonna be plastic offset platform, and their goal is to charge companies some amount of money which they can um take off taxes or get some uh something in exchange and then collect these funds and stream it to social projects or um plastic alternatives which can be scaled up but without funding they will not be scaled up. So for example in Africa there are plenty of genius guys who are making bricks or different things from plastic and then uh Aldar is asking me, Oh, we want to have it, and there is no one to match them. So the goal of the platform is to match them. Because recycled plastic should never have uh a contact with food or water.
SPEAKER_01Recycle.
SPEAKER_03Yes, it should be reused for walking things, I don't know, garden furniture, but it should never touch your water or food again because just plastic is toxic and recycled plastic is mixed of different plastics even from industry, so you never really know what's the components there, so it's 70 times more toxic than the the initial plastic itself.
SPEAKER_01So if you're telling me, right, and I'll just break it down if you're telling me that um if I have a normal plastic bottle, yeah uh it's anyway, it's already toxic. Yes, right? But then if I have another water company, let's say, and they are reusing and and their marketing tool is saying uh we have all our bottles are reused plastic, and it's amazing. It's basically 70 times more toxic.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I would never drink it. I was forced. I was coming from UN Aven in uh Geneva, and uh there was only water in recycled plastic bottles at the airport, so at the end you have to drink something. And it was all labeled that the factory is powered by solar panels, it's this and this and this, but they forgotten to write uh what's the quality of this water. So I just tried and I was like choking. So till worse, so I didn't drink water at all. But imagine if you are flying, I don't know, 15 hours. You you have to drink something.
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SPEAKER_03Well, some uh that was the good point that there is a lot of talking. Some people like to talk, it's uh it's fun. Uh but uh there are many reasons in here, uh there is a huge rotation of employees, so sometimes they change the company two times a year. So by the time you reach any agreement they are not there anymore. Uh also some they know that I'm someone And I'm known in the industry, so they made me to tick the books that they did the sustainable stuff. Some they just want to do the job from which is a bare minimum to keep the salary. So not everyone is passionate to run there and dig in the Venice channels like I did. Because we supported UNESCO action just before lockdown. And it wasn't PR. We were really digging in shit. Sorry.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03And um and we had t-shirts Venice Plastic Free Lagoon. It was organized by Venetians. And the hat at you of UNESCO at that time was still Venetian. So they were really committed to that. So I flew from Poland to dig in trash. And we were picking that really everywhere in cemeteries. We collected seven or nine tons of plastic trash in a few hours. And people were like, oh, what are you doing here? Good job, good job. And they were throwing over our hat.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03And media, they were absolutely not talking about that because the same day the big ship hit the building in Piazza San Marco, so that was a drama if you should let them in or not. And that's it. And then we end up with lockdown producing, I don't know, six billion masks a day, or I don't remember the numbers anymore.
SPEAKER_01But I mean it's huge. But for you, Angie, what I want to understand, and thank you for explaining all of this because it's it's it's really fundamental to what we're going to be discussing. But why are you so passionate about all of these things apart from the obvious? Because is it challenging for you to continuously push the message for people to not listen?
SPEAKER_03It is because we are absolutely self-funded. So we finance everything from our pocket. So it's uh kind of annoying to talk to someone. I summarized with one entity, I will not mention the name, and that it took us 21 months, 97 emails, five side visits, six scans, and seven offers, and income is zero. Because if you talk two years to someone, someone has to pay for it, and people know that Dubai is not a cheap place to stay. Um so it's challenging like when it can actually happen. Uh I limit, I limited my not passion, but uh before lockdown I was doing 30 flights a year. I was flying from one prime minister to other, talking and talking, like thinking, oh yes, they are gonna jump on it. No way, it didn't happen. So I flew to Uganda in 2018. I was invited to save Lake Victoria that actually seven countries depend on that water. And the last one is edited with giant population, and I think one of the biggest agriculture projects where they have to irrigate 100,000 greenhouses, and if one centimeter water will miss in Nile, they are done. So then the Prime Minister said, please go ahead. So I said, sir, we are a family company, we can't pay for saving like Victoria. We can assist, we can provide tech, we can be project manager, but we cannot do that. Then I reached out to several celebrities claiming they care about climate. Nothing. And then I met the Uganda government in UN Water Week in New York, which was um happening first time since 50 years. So this is how they care about water. I'm happy that now in Abu Dhabi they speed up. Uh however, I heard Uganda there saying we have a problem. And now recently I was dealing with the Ghanaian government. I sent greetings. So they wanted to solve water problems uh on like a long-term basis, but in the meantime, the the catastrophe happened there, and of course there was pollution from mining, which is usual for those countries, and they wanted to move ACEP, and then they after all the talking again, and they asked me, like, uh could you kindly do the pilot for free?
unknownOh my god.
SPEAKER_03As I know we can't. Like we can't do that. Who's gonna pay for it? No.
SPEAKER_01But it's um I just think it's crazy because with all of the tech that you're providing and solutions because you know it's it's a green tech solution company, right? Um I just cannot get my head around how important it is and and the the the millions of of lives that you will affect by implementing what what looks like quite simple technology, but it it it affects millions of lives, and and you know, certain governments are not sort of I mean, of course they're willing to listen, but when it comes to the funding, it's an incredibly difficult thing to do.
SPEAKER_03But they have funds. I was having before, um, after New York I met some environmental people from Ghana, and of course we had again Zoom call, and I had to tell them where they can apply for funds. And there are at least five big institutions in Africa which are funding projects. But we can't apply as Green Tech, it has to be the Ghanaian government to apply for it because each country has several credits, and these credits are saying how much you can get.
SPEAKER_01Right, okay. So it's possible.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but they don't do that like you know. So also I was in Brazil and uh they I met the sustainability team and they said we want to solve uh poor communities in the islands and the ocean pollution from plastic. So I told them like mostly they are fishermen because you know I connect the dots like this. And then uh you can use the them as people who collect this plastic and bring it to plastic bank and then you pay them in cryptocurrency which is backed uh in education, food, or medical healthcare, because if you give them cash they will go back to take drugs and do the stuff. So it's gonna be a kind of vicious circle, and then you sell this plastic to Volvo, which has a giant factories there, and they have pledged to produce cars only from recycled plastic by I don't know, 2050 or it doesn't really matter which year. And they are like, yeah, that's great. So how shall we do it? Hire me, I will tell you, you know, and this is like repeating story in every country. And I cannot write this project for free, like, and for some reason no one is saying, like, yes, we will do it. I mean, it's beyond me as to And I remember I flew back from Brazil on my birthday, and I came home and my father was watching documentary on Brazil, and there was a rival dance of dead caimans, plastic, all sorts of pollution, and he asked me with this like stone face, are you sure you want to solve Brazilian problems, or is it better you go back to Dubai?
SPEAKER_01And you came back to Dubai. Yes, yes. And then the other one that is also interesting is the uh innovative tech project, which UFO, so unique floating object. Tell me also about this, please.
SPEAKER_03Well, once we treat it uh with Vitatronic the land, and vitatronic works in a sphere because energy is always the sphere, so it works in the atmosphere and under the ground. So we thought that if you move it on the coast, you will basically regenerate um the ocean. So that's why we came up with UFO, which is uh this is a top secret, but already we talk about it. Where vitatronic is a brain and it's floating on the coast, so it's a regenerating entire uh ocean.
SPEAKER_01But how does it regenerate the colour?
SPEAKER_03Same, it's streaming the frequency, so the molecules of uh water they start to regenerate uh and you like revive the ocean because basically ocean is dying and uh capturing CO2 uh is great uh and all sorts of solutions, but this is like uh pulling supplements in a dead body, it will not work. You have to regenerate the ocean so you increase the level of oxygen so it's able to capture again CO2 and coral reefs, they are and they are uh surviving, and also you decrease the temperature of surface and all these things.
SPEAKER_01And again, just for me to understand, how did you test this?
SPEAKER_03We tested it at uh at the lake in Dubai, uh the very salty lake, which is like a little setup of the ocean.
SPEAKER_01And how and how long did the test take place? For one year. For one year. So at the beginning of the year, let's say day one, yeah, this lake was extremely salty. Uh did it have fish inside? Was it dead?
SPEAKER_03No, it's uh it's a high salinity lake with wastewater.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_03So we knew if it worked out there, it will definitely work in the ocean. Also, if you fix uh tech on the boat, for example, and this boat was going through the sea, it doesn't matter if it's cargo or yacht. Uh first of all, it's gonna emit less, it will redu uh use less petrol, but also by streaming again the frequency it will regenerate like an entire way where it's going.
SPEAKER_01So that's that's also another solution.
SPEAKER_03This that's why I see it like a big picture. So if I talk fashion industry, I don't only see biopolymer bags which you buy your stuff in Zara. I see it from the field where you grow cotton up to the store. But it's very hard because in big companies you have one person for every letter. And if you want to explain A to Z, they are just lost at A.
SPEAKER_01So if we go back to this UFO, yeah. You started the test on day one, high salinity lake, and it was wastewater. When did you start to see the results?
SPEAKER_03And the first change happens in ten seconds. So usually with big uh tanks, it's around a few days. So we treated deep dive Dubai with just 150 million liters of water with five devices, uh water devices and one space device, and it changed in three, four days. So the water became so clear you could see 60 meters deep.
SPEAKER_01Ah, so that so that's an actually live experiment that people are still using now?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01But but of course in the beginning they did.
SPEAKER_03They did, yeah. They did this pilot and then they died there.
SPEAKER_01But it's um but what but why why did it why did they stop using it?
SPEAKER_03Again, the lobby.
SPEAKER_01Ah, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03I wish they would. Because we wanted to showcase it. Because also there is another story apart of lobby. Also, the measurement of water is adapted to measure chemicals. So for example, they reach ORP level, which is very low, which for engineers is scary, but actually they missed this fact that they reached the parameters which are only in um possible in a natural river or sand lake or Amazon or such kind of place. So actually it's a breakthrough discovery, which I thought Dubai will shout to the world that they are the best again, especially the reef project is coming, and we wanted to bring Professor Polak, who's the I think strongest in terms of forephase of water. Um, but so far it didn't happen.
SPEAKER_01So far. Because no, because uh you're right. I mean, the UAE generally is uh you know pushing towards the forefront of things, and I know that you're also working with the Abu Dhabi government, yes, with the environmental agencies there. So, how are they using the tech and how are they working with you?
SPEAKER_03They're not using our tech.
SPEAKER_01Not yet.
SPEAKER_03We are doing we are doing um a lot of education, so we we do a lot of like uh education sessions with them. Um also with Swiss Embassy in Abu Dhabi, they are very strong in that. They have water group, plastic group, and wellness group. So we are actually a member of all of them. So we share our knowledge there, and they gather different um different um stakeholders like government, corporations, and all this. But also it's not that often, and there is a big rotation of these people. And with EAD we were awarded, which I'm very proud of because I think we were one of few non-government entities in January 2023, and we were in the gala with only Emirati almost, and they were like reading who's winning, and also we couldn't know what's the categories because they were in Arabic. So there they were like reading the highest one, and they go like um Abu Dhabi Port's Master Green Tech. I was like, oh my gosh, that's us. So I went straight away to tell them that we solve all your problems, but we are too small entities to like sort it out at once, and by the time we will build our structures, uh it's gonna take ages. So we would like to plug in and be your tech and knowledge partner. And they were very happy about that. I zoomed with 25 people, then they said we solve so many problems we need more, so I zoomed with 35, and then it was before COP, everyone was busy with COP. Uh so even I presented our ocean project NUF4 um thanks to Her Highness Sheikh Ashama in COP, um, then nothing happened.
SPEAKER_01And do you think more countries will want to once once they understand and I'm not just talking about Europe or the Middle East globally, how how can in your opinion, how can leaders do more or environmental agencies, uh UNESCO sites, the UN, how can they do more and and for you to be a part? Because it's not it's not necessarily just about the money, it's about the bigger picture, which is the climate change, sustainability, so on and so forth.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's why I set up climate change mitigation hub, because uh I thought I cannot do it on my own, but I want to share this SOP. So I founded it firstly in uh Chamber of Commerce in Katowice, and I discussed it with several entities in UAE because I wanted it to be a venture of UAE, which is a flagship example for me for other countries, but it's a tiny country, so comparing to pollution from China or US, whatever UAE is doing itself, uh it's not enough. And then I wanted UAE Poland and European Union to be the founder of the climate hub as a transnational organization where you cut the bureaucracy so you have free months to implement something. If you don't, you are like out.
SPEAKER_01And you've already set this up.
SPEAKER_03I set it and I started to plug in these projects, but still uh our government there was elections, and also there is concern because of Ukraine war, Russian war with Ukraine, and all these things. So climate is not that uh priority, uh, military is now priority, so there is always something that is actually uh in between. Then the next COP is coming, so everyone is busy with Brazil. But I don't stop, I go forward but just with uh small steps. What I can do as myself.
SPEAKER_01And are you gonna be going back to Brazil?
SPEAKER_03Uh well that's very funny story because uh I said there is no force in this planet that will bring me to COP 30, and uh because they are cut half of Amazon to make a motorway to Belemme, and the head of marketing I think is the gentleman from Shell. So I didn't find it matching. And I woke up one day and I switched on data and I saw email you are invited to COP with um five people from your entity. I was like, wow, and we cover all the costs and we give you pocket money and this and that. So I thought, okay, that's the sign, maybe we should go there. Which is very tricky in terms of dates because we run workshops also. But I thought, okay, maybe we will arrive late. And then something was dodgy about that. Uh, because they wanted you like everything is like real, okay? The hotel that they tell you to book is official hotel where all the governments are living. And the the content, it's way like you and that I work with them. Like everything is identical. And so we fulfill all the documents. We we like connected five people to go from different continents who work with us. And then the weird thing was that they said, Oh yeah, we book your flight, we give you this pocket money, but you have to pay your hotel in advance, which would be okay if they because I thought, okay, maybe they want to make sure that you really come, not that just you sign in for fun. And then it was very dodgy once they said that you have to send money by Western Union. And I started to do due diligence, and I went on the UN website, and it was warning that people receive scam, which is identical. There is one line in the email or something. It that it absolutely looks like you are invited by kosh. So no, I'm not going.
SPEAKER_01Okay, okay. Wow. It's crazy that people are thinking about that scam as well.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I thought because it's coming really from this hotel that such person inside, you know, if you would cheat, I don't know, 150 people in cash in Brazil, it's a a lot of money, so you can start basically a new life.
SPEAKER_01It's a huge amount of money, then that you know, especially in Brazil.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now, Angie, also I've I've also got you here because I want to talk about this specific thing that I have in my hand, yeah, which is the Aquavita life, right? So there's two things. So people who are watching, yeah, this is this beautiful sort of blue cylinder with Aquavita life on it. But but if you but if you're if you're if you're listening, how would you describe this for the listeners?
SPEAKER_03Well, I can uh call now Chef Reef because he's the one who named uh Wi-Fi for water.
SPEAKER_01Uh so this is that's what I think.
SPEAKER_03He called me one day and he was like, Angie, I need free Wi-Fi for water.
SPEAKER_01Wi-Fi for water.
SPEAKER_03So this is when we started to call it wireless water charger.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so what I have here in front of me, so again, Aqua Vita Life by Green Tech, wireless water technology, H2O self-charging battery. So, what does that mean, first of all?
SPEAKER_03First of all, that um where should I start? From tech or from water?
SPEAKER_01Tech first.
SPEAKER_03Tech, so this is like a charger, so it's not a filter, so you don't add anything in the water, you don't interfere directly with the water. So you just hang it on the pipeline tank, or I don't know, you dip it in the container of water and it works. So basically, inside you have um golden spiral like DNA, silver, gold, platinum, and then paradia ferromagnetics, all the minerals you find in um on Earth in the special amount and composition, so it can be bigger or smaller, and they create this frequency that. Water used to have in nature before we destroyed everything. Then it's covered with foil like astronauts have, so nothing can interfere, and spectral glass, which is reflecting any uh interference from outside. Okay. So the energy just goes through the top.
SPEAKER_01So that's the tech.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01So then tell me about the rest. What does it mean Wi-Fi charging, for example?
SPEAKER_03That it's wireless, so you don't have um you don't have contact. It's like you charge your mobile phone. So basically the device is streaming 40,000 frequencies every second to the water.
SPEAKER_0140,000 frequencies per second.
SPEAKER_03Yes. So the molecules, so it's like this guy in orchestra telling uh musicians what to do, so the device is uh non-stop telling water what to do.
SPEAKER_01So it basically makes the water super clean.
SPEAKER_03It restores the hexagonal structure of water.
SPEAKER_01Restores the hexagonal structure. And uh in and in simple terms, why is that important?
SPEAKER_03Because this is when water has an immunity system. So if it's living, it has it has an immunity system, it smooth nice, it doesn't sting, it's soft, it has a lot of oxygen, uh, but also it prolongs the life of your infrastructure and uh you create the environment where pathogen cannot develop. So simply fungus, bacteria, viruses, they don't want to develop in such water because they like a bad environment. If you irrigate with and you restore the water structure, you will never get a bad smell from uh sea wish water uh or TCE treated because you exchange the process so from rotten bacteria you go to redox so it doesn't uh smell badly.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so then let's so let's go first of all, because the I want to go through the importance of this. Number one, what's the cost of this device?
SPEAKER_03$1440 so forever.
SPEAKER_01So $1,440. Yeah, right. Uh and this is one time.
SPEAKER_03One time, okay.
SPEAKER_01You never need to do anything else, you just buy it one time and that's it. Okay. Um how much as in like from a home perspective, first of all, again, if you're in a villa, house, flat, apartment, where would you keep the device?
SPEAKER_03It depends uh in the apartment on the inlet, which is uh usually connecting bathrooms and um kitchen.
SPEAKER_01So anywhere let's say under under by the sink, somewhere like that, would you say?
SPEAKER_03No, usually what I saw in apartments here, uh usually there is under the ceiling is the main pipe coming. Okay. So this is where to keep it there, let's say. Usually you ask your landlord or people from maintenance where is the inlet pipe?
SPEAKER_01Okay. And if it was uh a house or a villa?
SPEAKER_03You same in the inlet or the tanks? If you have like normal not in the tank. No, no, no. On the exit from the tank.
SPEAKER_01Exit from the tank.
SPEAKER_03So usually small villas in Jumeira, they have one tank on the rooftop. I visited a lot of rooftops.
SPEAKER_01And you just put it next to it?
SPEAKER_03You just hang it on the on the pipe with two plastic clips. That's it. That's it. The thing is that it has to be vertical.
SPEAKER_01Vertical, right.
SPEAKER_03And if you have a giant villa, usually like Mohammed bin Rat Shit City setups, we pluck two devices in the lower tank and rooftop tank and the swimming pool, because it's usually our separate system. Plus, if you have vitatronic, it uh reinforces the activity of water devices also.
SPEAKER_01Very good. So then if I'm talking about a commercial perspective, so home we know. I'm talking about a commercial perspective. Uh whether it's a hotel, whether it's a kitchen, a restaurant, a farm, how many of these devices do you require?
SPEAKER_03Well, it depends on how big is the venue. So, for example, me hotel, um, because it's a bit of um challenging setup because some part is hotel, some is the omniad, so they have to kind of agree which pipe is whose. Uh, but they have two devices, one is on um domestic water, one is in the swimming pool, and they have two space devices, one is in the lobby and one is in the spa. And also we find out because they didn't yet place the water device on a waste pipe, that they even sorted out this with the space devices. In Cooling Tower, we set up two vitatronics and one water device, for example. That was the first time we treated water with space device, because space device was initially designed to bring well-being home. But then once I saw Cooling Tower, which I didn't see before, uh I was thinking how we can hang the device, there is nothing to hang. So the only way was to treat it with the space device, and it worked.
SPEAKER_01And again, if people wanted to buy this device, where can they do that?
SPEAKER_03The corporation or the B2C. B2C, they go to our SO rooms or they contact directly Aquasil.
SPEAKER_01And um, I can buy it anywhere in the world, I could just need to contact your website and it can be delivered anywhere. Yeah, right? Global shipping, global shipping shipping.
SPEAKER_03I don't know about the US tariffers, but we'll talk about those later.
SPEAKER_01But um I again, why why was it important for you to come up with something like this? Because it's not every day that somebody would think about a technology that would heal people through water. So, how did that idea come about?
SPEAKER_03So basically, again go back to my mother. She was studying, she's a microbiologist, she has several faculties, and they sent her to this lake place, which is 100 kilometers from Krakow. And um the difference was that first of all she was very young, scientist, passionate about her job, and secondly, they didn't have equipment, so they gave her the old microscope where she was studying water in a kind of glass like that, maybe smaller. So she was studying the life material on the ground, because the station was 200 meters from the lake, and her colleagues they were taking this water and preserving it with formaldehyde, then they were driving to Krakow and they were studying on this little glass, like blood, usually in the lab, and they had totally different results. So it didn't match. Uh, but also our Polish Science Academy wasn't uh open to um expose innovation, still they are not. Because the thing about uh now is of course she couldn't defend her PhD because we were a Soviet, post-Soviet country and so on, so Americans has have to always come first with such things. Still they didn't, but they are on the way. We are, however, 22 years ahead. Uh and why they are not exposing it, there is Professor Polak, which is studying four phase of water. So basically, you have vapor, liquid, and um solid state, and uh the living water is actually H3O. Okay, so it's a kind of in-between. And now there are like uh the scientists, they are not really willing to discover things like the major scientists because they already got the PhDs, recognition, all sorts of stuff. So no one will uh say now at the 80s or being 70, oh we forgotten something, you know. And if you see hundred years of history, what innovation you have in water nothing? You have chemicals and you have filtration, and now you have RO, which is not a rocket science, it's more filtration and more chemicals. So how come we have AI metaverse, uh, twin buildings, um cryptocurrencies, uh uh EV cars, all sorts of innovation. And in water we didn't come with anything in a hundred years.
SPEAKER_01And the thing is, the funny thing is when you say that now, we drink water all the time. Yeah. All the time. You know, if if we're fortunate enough to be able to we are water. You know, we are water, exactly. And the fact that nobody, as you said, in a hundred years has sort of come up with technologies or a science in order to do that, um, it's really incredible.
SPEAKER_03In the mainstream, no. Because you you think also Because if you even think about RO, it's uh um facility innovation, but it's not the innovation and water treatment. So I was speaking in different events, and once I spoke for vertical farming shows, LinkedIn started to give me people from this field. So I reached out to some innovative farms in Norway. I thought so they are innovative, and I asked the guy what do you do with water, and he started to explain me, and then he said they are studying the new face of water with US Army and NASA, and he kept talking. So I told him basically looks like you are studying what we've been implementing for 22 years. So, how about if you use our tech and you keep your studies? And then he goes, like all decisions are taken by AI. So if AI will tell us to use your tech, we will.
SPEAKER_01Hold on. AI is making the decision about using technology for humans, which is which is water.
SPEAKER_03Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01So strange.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's so weird. I think some people think that they go to the stage of being cyborgs. They forget that they are one big water tank walking.
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly. Yeah. But and the other thing is, um, if you think about it just from a very basic perspective, you know, uh health is wealth. And you you know, you talk about it all the time. And from the most basic form, you need any type of water to be as clean as possible in order for you to heal you at all times, especially with what we've just discussed about microplastics, especially with this small but incredible device is almost a fix to all of those problems, right? So I just find it um a bit mind-boggling that again governments, people within power it's for it's a no-brainer almost.
SPEAKER_03But I know companies which have chief nature officers, and you come to the meeting and you hear uh the two stupid things. One is uh oh, water is water, my favorite. And the second one is like, oh, we already have a filter.
SPEAKER_01That's what type of filter? It is not the point. This will infiltrate everything.
SPEAKER_03Some restaurants will not have water, uh filters, sorry.
SPEAKER_01Beautiful, even better. Because that's a that's another one, right? Because um, yes, everybody's serving tap water uh in Dubai, more so they're saying that our water is super healthy, it goes through filtration, blah blah blah blah blah. But it almost feels like every restaurant, and if you're talking about 17,000 restaurants and above, if they have one simple device, uh you know, they're really making a huge difference.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but so far the uh only chef Chef Reef? Uh it was Reef who gave us a chance, and I met him in the evening in Madinat, and in the morning he already implemented tech. Wow and he went like for everything. So he didn't unimplemented water, he had the first labels on his doors in uh in in the first restaurant. He has uh a car device, he has home devices, he had space the he has space devices inside restaurant. He even ordered fuzz for mobile phones with his logo. His kids were promoting it on Instagram. He was really so passionate. And then he called me and he said, I need Wi-Fi, I'm flying, I'm flying to Cairo. And he was setting up his first restaurant there, and he came back and he said, I give up, and you're like uh they are immedieval times, and I cannot like you know beat my head on the wall, and the time is gonna come. Uh but but he stopped like fighting for it among chefs.
SPEAKER_01But look, um for me and I believe that uh we will carry on the fight because it's a very important thing to discuss. Uh and also in this region, everybody talks about health and wellness.
SPEAKER_03Again, we are in talk.
SPEAKER_01Correct. What do they know? But also it's the action, right? Yeah, and everybody has to know because you know wellness is an absolute key. With so and again, if I talk about the most basic level of things the the EMF you know that that is transmitted, is it's a it's a pollutant. Plastics are a pollutant, uh it's nonstop, non-stop, non-stop. And we st we need to as humans we need to recharge. Hence why having something so small but yet so life-changing is important.
SPEAKER_03We never forget to charge our mumble, but we we keep going like on the zero battery till we like full.
SPEAKER_01Well, exactly, and and you know, you you you we talk about burnout a lot on the show and psychologists and pressure and things like this, and you're right, you you charge your phone, you charge your watch, you you dare not forget to not charge your phone. How do you but you forget to recharge yourself? Yeah, power bank, I mean, yeah, left, right, and centre. Well, look, Angie, thank you very much. Now, before I let you go, there's a few things that we need to discuss. So now we've come to what we call the quick fire questions of the show, and it's just quick and simple answers first. Now, I know that you're not a chef, but we ask everybody the same question. But I cook, uh, which is which is my restaurant. So, what's your favorite ingredient?
SPEAKER_03Ginger.
SPEAKER_01Ginger. Why?
SPEAKER_03Because it uh it matches everything. You can drink uh ginger lemonade before you go out of home to digest the life, and you can add it to cake, you can add it to meat, rice, like I don't uh drink.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I don't know if there is ginger beer. Living water, living water, yes, and your ginger tea if you have a cold in your fruit. Ginger is amazing. It's pretty good. Ginger is amazing for everything. You're right. You're right.
SPEAKER_01Actually, you're right, it's very medicinal. Right. Uh are you sweet or salty? Salty. Salty. Now I'm gonna try and say this correctly just for you. This this one. Pierogi or kelbasa?
SPEAKER_03None of them. None which none none of the two? None. None.
SPEAKER_01Which one would you have? And what would you? If I had to choose, if you had to choose, if you had to.
SPEAKER_03Kelbasa was just uh like really burnt, burnt, like grilled, not okay, grilled, not their own one.
SPEAKER_01Okay, and pierogi you don't like?
SPEAKER_03No, I don't. I'm not uh I like Asian type of dumplings and dim sum, yes, but not polish only if they are spicy and if they are also baked. Okay. Because I don't like cooked uh pasta things like with strawberries, okay. No, like cooked, you know, the cooked dumpling.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_03I I had a boyfriend he was from Caribbean and he he killed me with this meal where where you had like uh cooked uh buns, uh cooked bananas, and everything was like stratch, you know. Oh it was a little bit very nice.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, now as of this moment right now, what would you say are your top three favorite cuisines to eat?
SPEAKER_03Japanese, uh Italian, and um third one, uh not sure which one to pick, something Asian.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so we have Japanese, and by the way, that's always number one for people. Okay, so so it's good, Italian, yeah. Okay, so not Polish.
SPEAKER_03No, unless I cook, unless you but I don't even know if you can name it Polish cuisine, it's Angie Cuisine.
SPEAKER_01All right, I'm gonna put Angie.
SPEAKER_03We already have the name of our restaurant with Grace. It's gonna be named those two. Because people always call us those two.
SPEAKER_00Those two.
SPEAKER_03It it matters like if they like us, if they are concerned, they see us, but it's always those two again.
SPEAKER_01That's a great name for a restaurant, though. Those two.
SPEAKER_03If someone wants to open, like you know, dark kitchen with those two, here we are.
SPEAKER_01Now, who would you say also are your top three food heroes, but they don't necessarily need to be chefs.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01So who would you say has influenced you the most?
SPEAKER_03Ah, so people, or we talk about food.
SPEAKER_01People.
SPEAKER_03People. I think Grace, definitely, which is my mother. Um people ask me why I don't call her mother. Uh, because she's Grace and we are friends. This is like our first relationship. Then um Italians, once I was living in Italy, maybe my boyfriend Raffaele who teach me um how to cook. And and I fall in love with uh quality food. Yeah. So it can be simple, but it has to be quality. And the third one, um well who could it be? I don't know who's the third person. It's uh longer process.
SPEAKER_01Okay, no problem. Now the other one I wanted to sort of uh ask you is what advice would you give to anyone who wanted to get in the space of working within climate change?
SPEAKER_03Don't work with climate change. It's not climate change, it's climate chaos. I just called uh the hub uh to make it understood by people. Um so basically it's better to focus on something more simple, like one part of the climate, than going for the big picture. Because I'm there and uh I don't encourage anyone to stick to big picture. So just to focus on pluck to one thing you really enjoy doing if you want to work in this uh field. Okay, because then you will go in circles and you will be like uh lost, and people will be lost, and you will get nowhere.
SPEAKER_01And the final question for you is what advice would you give to 16-year-old Angie?
SPEAKER_0316-year-old? Oh my gosh, that was the most horrible time of my lifetime. Like run away from high school, like never, never go back there. Because they couldn't uh uh get it. Uh my out-of-box thinking, and my friend also told me, Angie, you don't even have a box, you're like no box. So all these crazy things, I was it was September, and I already had like the lowest degree for next uh next uh term, you know. I would never go back to this hell. And also teachers you told me three things that I will uh study in Sorbon, which in Poland is an idiom that you will go nowhere. So you already mentioned that I finished for universities and I visited some, that uh I will go to Honolulu, which is again nowhere. So I've been in more than 40 countries. I don't have time because I love Dubai too much, so you can't be everywhere. And the third one was that I will never uh do sport, so I did um professional have professional speed inline skating and running, so I have like 20 medals at home. Greetings for my teachers from PE.
SPEAKER_01Yes, hi, hi.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, I did it.
SPEAKER_01Amazing.
SPEAKER_03Now I'm um doing uh check in and check out to save the planet, but I will go back to speed in landscating.
SPEAKER_01Uh very good.
SPEAKER_03Or to those two.
SPEAKER_01Oh yes. Or both. You can have back to back. Um Angie, it's been incredible to have you here on behalf of the Chef JKP podcast. First of all, I know that it's a it's a it's a Chef Hospitality podcast, but it's been absolutely incredible to have you on the show and to learn so much.
SPEAKER_03But look, I used to work in restaurants. I will open the restaurant and I work in hospitality.
SPEAKER_01So we'll have to have you back when uh those two are open to see how it's going and maybe do a collaboration with Chef Reef. Who knows? But look, thank you so much for coming in and taking the time to be here.
SPEAKER_03Thank you, James, for having me. It was a pleasure.
SPEAKER_01Thank you. Wow, a lot of information, right, gang? Angie, thank you so much for sharing your world and your amazing perspective. I'm not sure about you guys, but this was a really fascinating conversation about a subject that you would not normally explore. But I have to say it did open my eyes. I'd be super interested to know your thoughts. So do hit me up with your comments on this topic. If you want to see more of what Angie is doing, head over to the show notes. Well, to all of you listening and watching, if you've enjoyed this episode, please help us to support the podcast. It's really important that you share the show, and perhaps someone you know could be inspired from the conversations we have here. You could give them a little spark of joy. And you can give me a spark of joy by giving us a five-star review on any podcast platform. It genuinely helps to have more eyes on the show, and of course, we want to push the conversations that we have all over the globe. Equally, a massive thank you to Valrona. Check them out, as they can really I mean they spark so much joy again with the amazing chocolates that they have, and I cannot tell you they are absolutely amazing. And by the way, don't forget to pick up one of our amazing thermos bottles. You can check, you can purchase those bad boys online anywhere in the world. Just go and hit that link. Well, gang, we've come to the end of another incredible show. It's Jeff JKP signing out. Until next time, food is memories.