This is the stop time podcast. I'm your host, Lisa Hopkins, and I'm here to engage you in thought provoking motivational conversations around practicing the art of living in the moment. I'm a certified life coach, and I'm excited to dig deep and offer insights into embracing who we are and where we are at. My next guest is a performer and composer lyricist. Originally from Orange County, California. Her musical works have been performed in venues across the country, and she has performed herself on stages from New York City to Tokyo, Japan. She has worked at New York City Center where she assisted the choreography team on avita and assisted assistant directed Off Broadway on the New York premiere of Lolita my love at the York theater and a man for all seasons at theater Oh, she is most recently collaborating with the lightning thief's Rob rocchi. On breathe a show conceived in Britain during the pandemic by New York Times bestselling novelist Jodi picoult, and playwright Timothy Allen MacDonald. It is my great pleasure to introduce you today to Rebecca mareel. Rebecca, welcome. Hi,
Rebecca Murillo:thanks for having me.
Lisa Hopkins:Where are you calling in from today?
Rebecca Murillo:Specifically, my closet more broadly. I'm calling from, from Harlem, New York City.
Lisa Hopkins:So tell me a little bit about the brief project. It sounds really interesting and, and like so very relevant, right? How did you get involved in that?
Rebecca Murillo:It's actually a really crazy story. So I when I was at Pace University, I took the musical theater writing class, and I got to write shows with my classmates. And we had a cumulative show that the freshmen performed our work at. And robber Kiki actually went to that show, the season that I wrote, and that's the first time we met, and very kind had said that he liked my songs. Jump to I'm in Japan performing Westside story in a international production. And Robert Kiki, and his wife, Amanda Flynn, are also in Japan. So I ended up getting them tickets. And we met again, there, we got to like chat a little bit. And then April of 2020. So we're like a month into the pandemic, again, email. And it's from Robert Kiki. And he's like, I remember your songs from hatch. And I'm doing this project. And I think I want to bring a writing partner on, like, Can we get on a phone call and talk about it? And one thing led to another, and then I was on a zoom call with Tim and Jody, and then we spent the rest of 2020 writing this musical.
Lisa Hopkins:That is so cool. How exciting, right?
Rebecca Murillo:I mean, I, the thing is, it's really crazy to think about the songs I wrote when I was 2122 leading years later to like be in this room with with Robert qu has taught me like so much about songwriting and like performing and producing. I mean, this is the first time I've been behind the table in this way as a writer. So it's been an incredible learning experience.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, no doubt. And I'm so curious to know if you can talk to me about that space between the time that you know, the excitement died down the reality set in before you started.
Rebecca Murillo:What's weird is I feel like I never had that period that like grace period of getting to like, let it all sink in. I still feel like that period hasn't ended as I'm here in New York to do things for breathe. So I get the call. And I I truly think like in the matter of a week, I'm on a zoom call with all the other writers, which is like Dan Mertz, slough and cape and Douglas Lyons and Ethan PACA char, and I'm just kind of sitting here like, I know all of your work. And here I am in the room. And this is this is very exciting. And I think because I was so removed, I wrote the whole show from California from my childhood bedroom. Because I had moved back. Once the pandemic, hey, I had run out of my sublet, I had lost my job. So I just packed up everything and moved back to my parents. So I wrote this whole show from my childhood bedroom was never face to face with anyone physically was always on zoom calls, met my director met my cast, all virtually saw the whole thing being recorded at the 92nd y in my bedroom. So I feel like I never realized like how real this thing was until I was in the recording studio with Rob and then a button and I was like, oh, okay, this is real. This wasn't a fever dream I had throughout of throughout 2020
Lisa Hopkins:Mm hmm. Wow. That's that's so So interesting. I'm hearing so many things like on the one hand, you're saying, you, you were and still are completely absorbed in the process. Meaning you were saying, like, it's funny when you think about process as the journey, right? versus the time you need to process which you've never had, because you've actually just been in the process like you're literally continuing to be in it, which is, which is really fascinating, right? Do you think there'll be a moment at which you'll be able to take, pardon the pun, but a breath? And and reflect back on? Like, is there is there any sort of sense of what that might look like for you, when it's, you know, when it's up and running, and you're moving on to the next thing?
Rebecca Murillo:I think it will be opening night, we technically do have an opening night planned. And it's the day that the album releases on May 14. So I think, I think it's going to be the act of like, opening Spotify and being able to say, see a very personal song I wrote for these two characters who are very personal to me, singing on a platform that is available to all, I think, a mixture of that. And like sitting in the 92nd, why watching what we created for essentially an entire year,
Lisa Hopkins:are you going to actually get to be there? Are you gonna go?
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah, I unsure about how the COVID protocols and all that work, but we have, we have a date, we have an invitation. So I think it will be sitting in the room with everybody who created the piece. And for me meeting everybody for the first time, then I will be like, okay, we, I helped create a very special thing. And I think it will now officially sink in that. I've done that.
Lisa Hopkins:Very exciting. I'm, I'm so curious to know, you know, obviously, we're busy. You know, thankfully very busy during this time doing something really meaningful. It's been a challenging year for all of us, obviously, what, what would you say, for you personally has has been the biggest challenge for you during this time,
Rebecca Murillo:I think I am a person who who's pretty good at isolation. It's just my been my personality, since I was very young. I knew very at a very young age, how to be alone with myself. But I think it was allowing myself to grow and not wanting to stay the same person or in the same spot that I was, like, I think, at the top of the pandemic, a lot of us thought this was a two week stint, this was going to be two months at the most. And I already was like, Okay, I lost my one theater job, I'm going to be back performing for my summer gig. And I'll be doing all this stuff I had already planned on doing my life will like continue the way I wanted to. And the more and more parent that we weren't going to go back to normal that people were dying, that there were there other things on the table that like were important. I think I it took a while for me to let go and be like, I'm not gonna be the same person I was, I'm probably not gonna be even the same performer I was. Now I'm very grateful for that. Now, I'm very happy with the person I've become, after sitting with myself for a year. But I think the hardest thing was letting go of who I thought I needed to be. And what I had already planned out my like life to be Hmm. And I think if I hadn't done that, I don't think breathe would have come into my life this same way it has now.
Lisa Hopkins:Interesting. Do you have a sense that you are open to receive in a different way? And that's why it came to you?
Rebecca Murillo:I think so. And I think I think that once I was able to accept that, like it just we just can't have the life that we had before. I was more excited about seeing the possibilities of what could be built. And who I could become, and like the new person I had yet to meet, but was like now willing to invite to be discovered.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, absolutely. That's really beautiful. I'm hearing that, that your biggest challenge turned into the biggest gift.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah, that's actually a really nice way of putting it. I actually hadn't even been able to verbalize that until you asked me this question right now. I just knew that something like had drastically changed and I had to mourn the loss of like, who I thought I was going to be. But yeah, I think I think it's it's nice to be able to sit and celebrate it now. And I think it helps with healing from like, What a crazy year it has been.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, no, absolutely. And you you are you know you're a young person. And that brings with it all of those limiting beliefs about what you should do next and the systems in place that you were willing to follow it sounds like because you knew how to do it. And so one job gets taken away. All right, well, I've still got seven other things down the pipeline. And then you started to realize that it wasn't just the jobs being taken away, the system is changing.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah, I think it's the systems are changing. And, and again, I'm, I'm 24, I'm very young, and not to bash other 20 year olds, but like, you're 20. Like, I feel like your 20s are in a good way and a bad way, very selfish. And I think I had to learn that. It's not all about like, what my trajectory is, it's about the people in my life. And I think it just got my priorities in check. And that's not to say like, theater is not important. I think theater is very important. And I will continue to be doing theater, whether that's behind the table or in front. I just think even my priorities within theater have changed and what I think is important work and what I think I should spend my time doing.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, it's so interesting. In the work that I do, we talk so much about connecting to our values. And I'm hearing that loud and clear through what you're saying.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah, and I think that's a lesson that comes with time. And I think I would have learned it later if we hadn't had to stop the world. Mm hmm. And I think when when the thing that you wake up at four in the morning to go do every day, like the act of auditioning the act of callbacks, the act of doing rehearsals and performing when that goes away, does that then take away who you are as an internal being. And I realized there was a lot of, there was a lot of things I was putting on theater to define myself. And that when you take theater away, I didn't know how to define myself anymore. And I think that's a lesson I probably would have learned, probably would have been later in my life, though. Being alone, or with my family for a year, made me have to like, look internally and figure out who am I if I don't have feeder? And now that I know who I am? How do I go back to theater and make it a place I want to work at and make it a place that feels good for me and for everyone around me?
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Is there anything else that you've discovered about yourself? During this time?
Rebecca Murillo:A big thing I think I've realized recently, is, it's always that thing where like, you look back at things and you're able to see it better or understand things better, like, like, 2020 vision, like, you look back and you're like, Oh, I understand. I understand things better than I did when I was 18 than when I was 2223. Even because now we've had a whole year of this pandemic. And I think one of the big things I've realized is, I've been told a lot through my career that I had to choose i'd to be one thing, if I wanted to be a director, I had to leave performing. If I wanted to be a composer, I needed to spend all hours of the day doing that and not being on stage. And I think one of the big things I'm realizing now, but has been building up through this pandemic is, if it's really something you're passionate about, there's no either or, like, it's you can be multifaceted, and make it work. Yeah, yeah. I think a big thing I learned is I was tired of hearing No. And so I was like, I'm going to make what I can make possible. Yeah.
Lisa Hopkins:Sounds like you turned no into Yes. And
Rebecca Murillo:yeah. Yeah. Because and the thing is, I know my own limits. And that's another thing actually, another thing I would add on to that is I've now learned my emotional and like, work limits. Like I used to just like work really hard, be so burned out. Unable to function specifically in college, but even after college, and I think I was able to set boundaries. And be like I am, I'm doing this. And I would like to say yes to this thing. But I also would like to sleep well at night. So I'm going to put this on hold. Thank you for the opportunity. And I'll come back to it when I have the time.
Lisa Hopkins:Mmm honoring yourself.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah. And I think it's a mixture of those two of like, being Yes, and, but then also knowing when I hit my limitations, and knowing that, especially when it comes to something like writing where it's something like it's on my time, I can always come back to it. I mean, I hadn't written I hadn't sat down worked on a musical I'd been writing for almost two years when Bruce came knocking on my door so that for me was like okay, doesn't I We'll leave all the doors open. But I'll never just say no, just because just because I can't be more than one thing. Hmm.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, it makes perfect sense when we're making choices that we make value based choices. And we make conscious based choices not fear based, right? What do I have to give up in order to say yes to this? And then how do you do that? If two things are wonderful? Well, you check in with your values, which is exactly what you just demonstrated. What was your value there? When you were saying saying no to something and putting it on the backburner?
Rebecca Murillo:I think it's a mixture of things, I think it's being able to go to bed at a decent hour. But I also think it's creative energy. Because I think I have found if I put too much creative energy at once, and I go to something else immediately, there's nothing to pull from. When we finished breathe, I moved on to go work on another piece I had been writing and there was nothing. And only Now am I like, okay, I could touch that piece. Maybe in a week or so maybe in a month or so. It's been a lesson for me to be okay, I need to either put time between things. Or I need to know that I have enough energy for both. Because I just don't want to be in a place where even if I'm like, behind the table and being like, I don't know. I it's something that I don't know, it's I don't have anything to pull from I don't have. I don't have ideas.
Lisa Hopkins:Absolutely. No, that makes that makes so much sense. And we are so programmed to say yes, especially when the opportunities are great.
Rebecca Murillo:I think yeah, there's there's benefit in saying yes, and because that's how you start meeting people. That's how you start your career. But I think there's a little bit of unlearning, that needs to happen as you like, start to figure out what you're doing and what you want to do.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, it's so interesting. And I get why you interpreted the sand as that because I guess that is sort of the way it is in the world, which is just sort of add on to say yes, just say yes. It's funny for me, just to share with you, I think of Yes. And I think of the end as it relates to me. Oh, okay, if that makes sense. So it's not like yes, and I'm going to do something else. But more like, yes. And this is why it's important to me. How does it connect to me? If that makes sense?
Rebecca Murillo:That's so much more intriguing. I like that definition better, because that just makes it more clear and more personal. And I think that makes the work better when you know why you're doing something.
Lisa Hopkins:Exactly. So you know, instead of just saying yes, for your sake, you're saying, Yes, I'm interested in doing that. And this is why and maybe I can't because, you know, let's see the answer all sorts of just thinking about it thinking, you know, giving yourself that space. between, you know, thought and action, literally, you know,
Rebecca Murillo:yeah, I like that.
Lisa Hopkins:What is your definition of living in the moment?
Rebecca Murillo:The first word that came to mind is authenticity. Hmm. And I think this is something I've personally discovered with myself, and I'm sure many other people have during quarantine is what do I put on to exist in the world? And when am I just genuinely, myself. And I found the moments of life that I enjoy the most are when there's nothing to be put on. It's just me existing. For me living in the moment is when you're able to absorb what is going on around you. And like, Listen, and see what is happening. While you yourself are not putting anything on?
Lisa Hopkins:That's beautiful. Yeah. How often would you say you're able to practice that?
Rebecca Murillo:It's a good question.I feel like I can clock it better. Now. I feel like there are times where I'll, I will be talking to certain people, and I'm like, why is my voice pitching higher? Why are my mannerisms changing? Why? Why am I changing my speech pattern or my vocabulary right now. And some of it is, is between you know, code switching between friends and family and co workers and other things are a little bit more. Like for me, it's the voice pitching. I really caught it during quarantine, I was like, I put on a hot, I just put on this voice that just, I've been carrying for so long. And I don't think it's me. I try to practice being as authentic and not putting on a version of myself as much as I can. I know I slip up every once in a while or I forget, but I try to practice as much as I can. When I realized like, I don't need to change the way I talk. I was like, Okay, I don't that empowers me because now when I find myself in rooms, and I'm like I'm not putting anything on. I feel powerful, because they're seeing me as me.
Lisa Hopkins:And then you also acknowledge that other people, you know, come through there. You know feel their find their empowerment in different ways. And then you mentioned the heels now it's interesting, because the you know what people wear, definitely can can make you feel sometimes when you when you wear a certain shirt or something, for some reason you just feel better. I put
Unknown:on the La Duca Boot and my whole world changes is the most powerful woman the entire world.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, no. And it's it's brilliant. It's so interesting, though. Because if you dig deeper, and this is the fun, this is what I love doing. But like there's, there's a deeper thing in there, it's not the boot, the boot makes you feel a certain way. And then you want to find out what it is that that you need to feel to feel powerful. The boot is definitely, you know, a conduit to that. But the actual feeling of being empowered is is connected to stuff that you already have. Let me say,
Unknown:Oh, okay, that makes sense. I never thought of it that way. I was just like, always, like, Where's the boot, but that makes sense!
Lisa Hopkins:so like, God forbid, the boot break. Because if you really think that that's your power, or giving you the power, then you're done. Which isn't to say that you don't feel fabulous when you put on the boot, they can both exist at the same time.
Rebecca Murillo:And that's actually very, so I think, being authentically myself not changing myself. But also having sticking to my strong point of view is a big one that gives me power. And the thing that breaks me if like we're saying like the loduca breaks, the thing that breaks me is when I realized I've lied about my point of view. I've lied about something that intrinsically I'm passionate about to fit in to a room to fit into a job to fit into a project to fit into an audition across the board. And that's the thing I walk away feeling icky about. And I'm like, oh, I've I've regardless of what happens with job or peace. I now feel like someone knows an inauthentic version of me. Yeah.
Lisa Hopkins:Oh, yeah. So no, but the fact that you feel shitty about it is fantastic. Because it's telling you that you're about you're not honoring your values.
Rebecca Murillo:And I think it takes a second because I mean, I would say almost throughout college, I, I changed the way I thought about things to match with the majority. And I think it's just as these things are happening in my life, and I'm coming into my own and people are like, What do you want? What do you want to do? I'm realizing I can't be wishy washy about the things I want to do or nothing will get like nothing will happen. Especially when it comes to like, diversity and inclusion. I mean, that's, that's what got me behind the table in the first place, like making sure people of color feel safe, and feel seen. And for me, if I'm not even 100% sure about my stance on that. How is anyone else supposed to feel comfortable or safe?
Lisa Hopkins:Yea h, if the goal becomes not to be empowered, but to be yourself, then you can't fail in any situation. Because even if someone doesn't receive you as yourself, it doesn't matter. Because your goal is to be yourself. And you showed up that way.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah, I think it's just when you were saying like, sitting down and being like, okay, I can't judge younger me younger me Didn't know and why she did those things, probably out of, you know, wanting to be liked by peers, insecurities, not knowing any different. But yeah, I can't judge younger me for that. I just have to try and make best version of slightly older me.
Lisa Hopkins:Well, what's beautiful about that is just like we said earlier with the, you know, the gift from the discomfort of this year, and the challenges of this year. younger self has given you a gift now of knowing what works and what doesn't work for you.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah, and I think that was really prominent when I was living where younger stuff used to live. It was very weird to inhabit a place I had last lived in when I was 18 years old. Yeah. And in a bedroom that was designed when I was 16. Like it was very odd to be 23 sitting in that space and being like, okay I know who I was. Now, let's figure out who I'm want to be and who I'm going to be.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah. Well, that leads perfectly to this question I had for you.
Rebecca Murillo:Great. I love a good segue. I
Lisa Hopkins:love a good segue. So if nothing, nothing ever stood in your way. What would your life look like?
Rebecca Murillo:Oh my gosh. The first thing I want to say was I would be where I had always dreamed of being but I don't even know what that is anymore. Like when I heard that question, I thought, Oh, I'm trying to do that currently, like, I'm trying to be not scared to try new things. Whether that's as simple whether that's like writing a musical, or whether that's like jumping out of an airplane? Not like that's something on my to do list for the next month, but something I thought about because I thought if if nothing standing my way, what would I try?
Lisa Hopkins:What if anything Do you think stands between you and who you want to be?
Rebecca Murillo:The fear of being wrong. Specifically, being wrong in that hurts others, my brain jump to work. So being a part of creating inclusive work, and trying to make spaces where people like me and not like me who want equity can feel safe to create and and I don't know why my brain jumped to that. I think it's just a big conversation I've been having for myself, and like what I want to be doing in the future. And what stops me from the big things I want to accomplish in my future of lending a helping hand with that is the fear of being wrong. Even though I know when you're wrong, you then get to like, figure out okay, that didn't work. So what's right, but because it's out, because it's, it's now just not me. It's me trying to it's me trying to uplift community. And now it's not just me, it's me and other voices that scares me.
Lisa Hopkins:It exists. The fear exists. It's there for a reason.
Rebecca Murillo:Yeah. Yeah.
Lisa Hopkins:And it reveals some other beautiful things.
Unknown:Yeah. I had bad fight or flight in college. I mean, I would leave rooms. I was crying all the time. Yeah, I think a lot of people talk about that when they're talking about musical theater college, which, for me, I'm very saddened by that. Because I think it's, it happens a lot more than people think it happens, whether that's in front of your class, or whether it's alone, in a bathroom or alone in wherever your living situation is. But yeah, it's it. The biggest growth is coming, becoming friends with your fighter flight and having a dialogue with it in this way. You're saying where it's like, why does it make me feel like this? Yes. And then from there, okay, who am I? And who am I? And what makes me feel like this? What doesn't? And how do I best help myself in these situations, as opposed to thinking, this means I can't perform ever again. That's not it? That's not it at all.
Lisa Hopkins:No,that's exactly right. Hey, Rebecca, where do you see yourself, say, in five years?
Unknown:I do see myself doing more of kind of what I'm doing now. I think what's hard about five years is, to me, sometimes five years seems like a million years away. And then I also think about how the last two years have just flown so quickly. And there's a part of me that wants to say I'll be doing exactly what I'm doing, writing, performing, directing choreographing, on and off throughout the five years. And there's a part of me that wants to say that in five years, I hope that the expertise that I've gotten along the way and the multifaceted things I'm able to do would help me to be in a position where I could help create spaces. I hope that if I'm not here in New York, that I'm somewhere where I'm able to do work that cultivates safe spaces and encourages people who are like me. Yeah,
Lisa Hopkins:That's beautiful. What do you know will be true about you no matter what happens
Unknown:Wow. I will always be a student of the world guys have this mentality of Oh, I'm too young to pick this up. I even had this with dancing surprisingly enough where I was like, I'm too old to do the dancing thing. That was false. I think I I've come to this realization that I just love to learn. I mean, I just picked up the mandolin a month ago because I was like I haven't learned anything in a while like I want to learn something else. What can I learn? What can I learn about songwriting? What can I learn about these programs that I've never worked with? What can I learn about recording I've never recorded an album. And I think that's not something that's going to go away because I think that's just intrinsically how I got to this position how I got here I just I never put myself in this thing where I was like, I'm going to do X y&z it was more like I want to learn what that is.
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, I love that. Alright. So we're gonna just play what makes you the first thing that comes to your mind, let's say, Alright, so what makes you hungry?
Rebecca Murillo:My first thought was literally the Food Network.
Lisa Hopkins:Thank you for being honest.
Rebecca Murillo:I had to I didn't even think about like the hunger for the art. Like I thought it was just like, I see them cooking a chicken. And I'm like, I need chicken.
Lisa Hopkins:Oh my God, that's awesome. No, that's living in the moment, man. All right, what makes you laugh.
Rebecca Murillo:My sister, my sister is probably the funniest person I've ever met. And I'm very grateful that she's my sister.
Lisa Hopkins:What makes you sad?
Unknown:Like.. growing apart, like when, when there's someone in your life who you've known, but then you just realize like, they're just growing out of your life. And that's not in a negative way. It's just, you're growing into two different people that you don't, that don't mesh well together and are probably not going to be in their lives the same way.
Lisa Hopkins:What inspires you?
Unknown:There was a lot of names of actors that just rushed to the top of my head, like actors and creatives. So I will just sum that all up to like representation. Like when I see someone who looks like me, or who sounds like my grandparents, or looks like my parents, or my sister, or my community. It makes me want to celebrate it, which is something I kind of forget to do sometimes during these times. Because it's always like, let's have these deep conversations about how like you should exist in the world. And, or exist in theatre unions or exist in theater. And I think we forget to Like step back and be like, it's that should be a celebration should be a celebration of, of, for me, specifically of Hispanic people, Latino people, actors eyes get to see and I'm like, I want to do what they're doing. Or people who are on television. I'm like, you remind my grandma and that makes me so happy inspiring. Makes me want to do that for someone else.
Lisa Hopkins:Mm hmm. Okay, so what makes you curious?
Rebecca Murillo:First thing came to my head was like movies. There's something about the medium of film and like what you can do with it specifically animation, but even just film in general,
Lisa Hopkins:what makes you angry? ignorance.
Rebecca Murillo:Ignorance across the table? I don't know . I don't know. I felt that very deep in my chest when I say ignorance, but it's just I just, it's just the world as it is right now. With everything that's happening, and it's just angers me so much.
Lisa Hopkins:What makes you grateful?
Unknown:It's almost cheesy, but just the gift of life. I don't think I don't think I've been as appreciative of it as I have been. Since this started looking back. I mean, it's sad. Like we should all be appreciating the life that we have. But it really took the worst year ever to fully appreciate that and see t at both in myself in the peopl around me. And in the peopl like I don't know, and just ike humans, who inhabited my sp ce and this earth like I think I'm just very grateful for it an,and it's a bummer that took pandemic to see it the way I currently see it now, but I'm g ateful for it.
Lisa Hopkins:Now. Amen, sister. What are the top three things that happened so far today?
Rebecca Murillo:Today, they're very mundane, but I've made myself an excellent fried egg. Um, I was into a very new musical I'm very interested in called Ernest Shackleton loves me and, and I got to talk with my roommates for a little bit. Little things.
Lisa Hopkins:What are you most looking forward to?
Unknown:Today, probably my m ndolin lesson. Something I mis still straight. I've never played string instrument. I've always been a keyboard girl. But I want to do something that's g ing to be a bit more challenging And I have this I have this d eam of like being a self laying mandolin player, either o stage or off. So I'm step b step. Just trying to make that ream a r
Lisa Hopkins:How cool is that? That's so cool. I can't wait to hear it. So Rebecca, listen, I so appreciate you taking the time to be in the moment with me today. Thanks.
Unknown:thank you for having me. I, I haven't I haven't gotten to talk about art in this way in a long time or just like, myself and my life, so I really appreciate this. Yeah. Thank
Lisa Hopkins:Yeah, it's been i's been my pleasure. I've be n speaking today with Rebecc Maria. Thanks for listening. Ev ryone stay safe and healthy nd remember to live in the momen. In music, stop time in that beautiful moment where the and is suspended in rhyt mic unison, supporting the so oist to express their ind viduality. In the moment, I enc urage you to take that time an create your own rhythm. Until next time, I'm Lisa Hopkins. Tha ks for listening