Nautis VSF Maintains Perfect Flow Automatically!

Your pool doesn’t care what RPM your pump runs at. It cares about flow. And most of the headaches we see as pool owners and pool service pros start when circulation quietly drifts away from what the pool actually needs. I sit down with Sean McDermott, Executive Vice President at H2 Flow Controls, to unpack the Nautilus VSF variable speed pool pump and the idea behind it: stop guessing speeds and start controlling real, measured gallons per minute.

We dig into adaptive flow, including constant flow mode and turnover mode, and why “set it and forget it” RPM schedules often fall apart as filters get dirty, plumbing conditions change, and water features or in-floor systems cycle on and off. Sean explains how the pump adjusts automatically to maintain the target flow rate, aiming for a pool that’s both energy efficient and operationally efficient. That means better circulation, more consistent chemical distribution, and fewer surprise problems that show up when flow drops over time.

We also get practical on features pool pros will appreciate: app-based monitoring in the Blue Sync app, a dirty filter warning tied to sustained RPM increases, boost mode for bather load or rough weather, and upcoming heater control through a two-wire fireman switch with flow settings that help protect gas heaters and optimize heat pumps. We wrap with what went into testing, American manufacturing and support, and how the pump lines up with common installs so replacement work is simpler.

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We talk with Sean McDermott from H2 Flow Controls about the Nautilus VSF variable speed pump and why measuring real flow beats guessing RPM. We explain how constant-flow control can improve circulation, protect equipment, and reduce the pool problems that show up when conditions change.  

• the business case for launching a new VS pump in a crowded pool equipment market  
• constant flow vs fixed RPM settings and why pump curves and head calculations often miss reality  
• adaptive flow setup using pool gallons and either constant flow mode or turnover mode  
• automatic adjustment as filters load up, water features change, and systems drift over time  
• water quality benefits of steady circulation for chemical dispersion and salt systems  
• Blue Sync app monitoring plus a dirty filter warning based on sustained RPM increase  
• boost mode to handle sun, rain, heavy use, and seasonal debris  
• heater control using a two-wire fireman switch with heater-safe flow settings  
• scheduling support for in-floor cleaning systems  
• made-in-the-USA development and faster support through in-house assembly and R&D  
• installation fitment notes matching common pump footprints and the available horsepower models  

To learn more about the Nautus VSF Pump, go to h2flow.net. You can also hear more podcasts by going to swimmingpoollearning.com. If you're interested in my coaching program, you can learn more at PoolGuyCoaching.com.  

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Hey, welcome to the Pool Grey Podcast Show. In this episode, I'll be joined by Sean McDermott of H2 Flow Controls. We're going to talk about the new Nautis VS pump that they've developed. And this is a really unique pump in the industry, and there's really nothing like this product out there today. As I'm talking here, if you wanted to see this pump and this product and all the specs, just go to h2flow.net. Again, that's h2flow.net. And they'll have the actual product on their homepage. You can see this particular pump that we're talking about in detail. Are you a pool service pro looking to take your business to the next level? Join the Pool Guy Coaching Program. Get expert advice, business tips, exclusive content, and get direct support from me. I'm a 35-year veteran in the industry. Whether

Meet The Nautilus VSF Pump

SPEAKER_01 1:02

you're starting out or scaling up, I've got the tools. So I'm joined today by Sean McDermott. He's the executive uh vice president of H2 Flow Controls. How are you doing today, Sean?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Great, David. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

So the reason I brought you on is you have a new product which is really exciting for the industry. And I think it incorporates a lot of what H2 Flow stands for. The flow vis flow meter. If people aren't familiar with the company, that's one of their big products. And it's the if I I'm sure I'm pronouncing this correctly. I'm just reading it off how it's spelled. It's the Nautilus VSF pump.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

Yep, that's correct.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Okay, so let's jump right in and let's talk about this new variable speed pump and some of the unique features. And we'll start with the first question is why would you want to bring a VS pump to the market in the pool industry? What is the reason behind bringing this in just to begin with?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Sure. Yeah, I mean, it's it's quite a crowded space to decide to launch a product into, especially for you know, a company of our size competing with with you know the the offshore pumps that are coming into the market and as well as the established manufacturers. You know, this is something we thought long and hard about. And what inspired it? We for years we've been doing eco-flow VFDs on large commercial pools. And quite often with those, we set up a constant flow feature with either our magnetic flow meter or flow

Why Constant Flow Matters

SPEAKER_00 2:36

vis, our our analog flow meter. And we thought, you know, this is what we feel is missing in the industry. There are some pumps that can run based on a theoretical flow rate, but no pump was no pump that isn't using automation was able to run at a constant flow. And speed we felt was sort of irrelevant. So that that's what we we thought we could do something unique, essentially. We we saw an opportunity. We're not, you know, we're not out to, we don't expect to take the market share of all the big pumps in the market, but we see an opportunity for for homeowners and pool operators that want to have some extra features in their pump, but not have to go all the way to automation.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Yeah, and the second question to that, there's a feature in there, and the listeners that aren't very technical, they may not know a lot about VS pumps and setting the RPMs or the percentage of the speed and the difficulty. The pool guys know this, and pool gals know the difficulty of getting this thing modulated out there because it's it's really tough to you know maximize the energy savings with the flow. And so there's something called adaptive flow that you have in this pump. What is what is that exactly?

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Sure. So essentially what we're doing is we're taking the guesswork out of setting up the pump for the particular pool. Adaptive flow, it does two things. First off, it lets you enter the information about your pool, number of gallons, that sort of thing. And then select an operation mode, either constant flow or

Adaptive Flow Removes Guesswork

SPEAKER_00 4:12

what we call turnover mode. And in either of those modes, we're basing the speed of the pump on the required flow rate. So we are essentially not just optimizing energy savings, but we're optimizing the entire efficiency of the pool, right? There's an analogy I like to use. You can with a variable speed pump, you can have it run really fast and it's it's very efficient at operating the pool. Or you can run it very slow and it's very electrically efficient, but you're gonna spend a lot of money fixing the problems that that develops in the pool. It's kind of like if there's a fly on your window and you use a hammer to kill it, it's very effective, but it's not very efficient. Whereas using a fly swatter is both effective and efficient. So that's what we're going for. We want to be effective and efficient. And that adaptive flow feature, again, it's as the system changes, as the pump becomes clogged up, as you, you know, it could be in-floor cleaning systems, it could be filtration systems getting dirty, it could be you're turning on and off water features. The pump's going to adapt the speed to maintain that flow rate, ensuring that everything is operating as it should.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

So what's what is that? Why is that different than the you know, measuring the actual flow rate versus just setting the pump at one RPM, you know, a certain RPM and walking away? Because there's like some rule of thumbs that we use in the industry, and I don't know if that's good or bad, but what would be the main difference between two? Sure.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

So essentially what we're doing is is we're we're working off of a known value, right? You can take a variable speed pump and put a flow meter on your pool and adjust the speed so that you have the correct amount of flow, whether it be based on turnover rate or I need this amount of flow for my heat pump or my heater, whatever it might be. You can do that. But as the system changes, your your flow rate's gonna go down. So you then you're you're not as efficient and effective as you could possibly be. So that's that's the that's the main difference. You know, you can take a pump curve and calculate your your total feet of head and your plumbing and get a pretty good guess on where to set the speed based on that. In our experience, after people put flow meters on on pools and they call us up and they tell us our flow meter is wrong because the flow doesn't equal what they think it should equal, because they did all the calculations and everything. Well, the flow meter, it's a NSF 50 level one flow meter. It's it's quite accurate unless it's completely broken, which is highly uncommon. The flow meter's right and your calculations are wrong. So that's what we're doing. We're taking a known value, a measured value, and operating the the speed of the pump based on that. It's kind of like a car, right? If you if you're driving down the street and you know that at 800 RPMs or a thousand rpms, you should be going 35 miles an hour in third gear. Well, that doesn't take into account wind or the tire pressure in your car. It's a guess. So we take again taking the guesswork out using a known value.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

I don't think there's many listeners that drive stick shifts anymore, Sean.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Well, I know. Maybe they maybe they have the manual the manual gear change in their automatic transmission.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Right?

SPEAKER_00 7:43

Now you're now you're dating the data.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

There's other things that this does too, like automatically adjust for dirty filters and changing conditions. How does that work in the real world?

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Sure. So, you know, filters don't become clogged instantly, it happens over time. So we're just constantly, again, monitoring that that flow rate, the real-time flow rate, providing feedback to our motor controller box, and then adjusting the speed as as that occurs. So the nice thing about that is let's say that let's use a commercial pool, for example, because in a commercial pool, you're there's a code that you have to have a certain turnover rate, six hours, for example. If you're a small commercial pool and you're using our Nautilus 3.45 horsepower pump, you can say, I need to turn this pool. I have 24,000

Dirty Filters And Changing Conditions

SPEAKER_00 8:36

gallons, I need to turn the pool over every six hours. We do that math for you, and that pool is always gonna operate at that. We have some additional things where you can have periods of increased flow and stuff like that. But that assures that it's always getting the right amount of circulation. So if a health inspector comes, it's it's gonna be right. But for the homeowner, again, it's something, it's taking another thing off their plate that they have to think about or that they should have to think about. A lot of people don't think about it, they develop problems in their pool and they they did they wonder why. But they could have just used this simple feature to run at a constant speed and or excuse me, a constant flow rate and have that perfectly optimized pool.

SPEAKER_01 9:20

So, how does having the optimized flow rate really improve the water quality and efficiency of the pool, the chemicals usage and things like that?

SPEAKER_00 9:29

Sure. Obviously, 24-hour circulation, the pool industry has talked about that quite a bit. Always circulating the water, moving water has develops fewer problems than stagnant water. So, first off, just the moving water by itself is going to reduce the number of problems that develop in the pool. But we're also constantly dispersing the chemicals evenly in the pool with that, constantly making the flow available for adding chemicals. If the pool's off, your chemical, if you have automated chemical or automated chemical feeds, or if you have a salt chlorine generator, it's not going to work when the pool's off. So if you need chlorine, your your system can't add it. So again, 24 hour circulation, the right amount of flow all the time, just ensuring that you're not going to develop problems. For example, let's say your pool, there's it, there's a large amount of dust or cottonwood or whatever it might be that happens in the spring, and your filter's clogging up faster than it normally would. Rather than dropping down to a flow rate that's that would develop problems, we're going to ramp up that speed so that we don't develop those problems.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

That makes sense. Makes sense. And let's talk about some of the features of the pump. So, what was specifically incorporated in there for the pool professional to make it easier for us? You kind of touched on that a little bit right there when the filters get clogged up or there's different issues, and that of course is going to solve some problems with poor circulation. But you can touch on more right there.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Sure. And I think we'll talk about it a little bit later on, but we do have the Blue Sync app that's your interface with the pump. So that's that can provide both the homeowner and the pool operator, the or the pool professional with data about what's going on with the pool pump and the circulation. So a couple of things that we do, if you're in constant flow or turnover mode, we allow you to set a maximum speed or essentially set a dirty filter warning.

App Tools For Pool Pros

SPEAKER_00 11:34

So within the app, you press a button, it reads the current RPM of the filter. When that RPM goes 20% higher than that, and if it stays there for 24 hours, because again, conditions change, we don't want to alert you right away, but once it stays there for 24 hours, we're gonna tell whoever's looking at the app that they have a clog filter and they need to clean it. It's also gonna limit the speed of the motor at that as well, so that we're not over pressurizing systems that may be neglected for some reason. So those are two things that that we're doing for the pool professional. We're allowing them to tweak the flow rates as well. For example, we have something called a boost mode. So this is for homeowners and for pool professionals. The boost mode is a is a ridiculously simple way to say, okay, we want to operate the pump at this turnover rate, for example. But we know that we're gonna have a lot of sun or a lot of rain or a lot of bathers, a high bather load. So during this time, we want it to operate at a higher speed or a higher flow rate. So if you program the boost mode, it's gonna come on every day at the time you set it and operate for the number of hours that you set it at a 50% higher flow rate. Okay. So if you're operating at 30 gallons per minute nominally, it's gonna operate at 45 gallons per minute during that time frame that you specify. So that's again, that's something that we're that we're doing. Heater control, another thing that plagues gas heaters and will help heat pumps. Heater control, working on the hardware for that right now. I imagine that will be done in a couple of weeks. And what we're doing with that is any heater that can be controlled by a two-wire fireman switch, essentially, we're going to monitor the temperature of the pool and be able to turn the heater on and off with through the app. Big deal, right? Automation systems do that. Well, what we're gonna do, because we can monitor the flow, is allow the user or the pool professional to set the flow rate while the heater's on. So if it's a gas heater, if you know you don't want to operate most gas heaters below 45 gallons per minute because

Heater Control Without Full Automation

SPEAKER_00 13:53

they they overheat and they damage themselves. So you'll be able to set that. We defaulted at 55 gallons per minute, but it it is user changeable because if you're using a heat pump, for example, those like much lower flow rates to be more energy efficient. So we're going to allow you to do that. So anytime that the the heater is turned on by our system, the pump will adjust the speed while it's on. So we're not we're not overheating gas heaters and we're not over-under-circulating heat pumps. Again, all that total system optimization for efficiency. So just those are a number of things that we've done. One additional feature that we just incorporated is is for in-floor cleaning systems. So we have a scheduler in the app that allows you to synchronize the flow of the pump with your in-floor cleaning system, ensuring that it's always going to operate exactly at the the flow rate that it should operate at.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

It's interesting. And I guess uh we should we should also say that there's a lot of homeowners and pool pros that would be interested in putting in a standalone variable speed pump that has more features than just what's standard out there, and this is what you're providing for them beyond like selling upselling a customer full automation for their pool, which sometimes is not optimal in situations. You know, customers don't want to spend $5,000 upgrade their system or $6,000 in some cases, even more. We can get this pump and you can control the flow in the pool proke and monitor it from the app as well. And now you have this tie-in with the heater, which is kind of like a partial automation, I would say, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah, it's it's it's mild automation, right? So we're giving you we're giving you a little more than nothing at what you would generally invest in it in a high quality variable speed pump. For so for those millions of pools out there that that have existing pumps, they want they need to replace their pump. This is just a you're getting a little bit more. And and not just, you know, automation's great if you want to be able to control every single thing. Turn your water features on and off. You know, there's some we have some automation partners in the industry that are doing really amazing things with our FlowViz digital sensor. We're we don't want to compete with them. We we're trying to fit into this this niche of a variable speed pump with with a little more. And and that that's those items that we're giving you that are more are are super valuable. You know, it's not just a relay system that's turning lights on and off. It's it's something that's gonna really optimize the pool.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah, you did already touch on the boosting system, but basically that's the app that's gonna run the pump.

unknown 16:41

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Yeah. So we've developed we developed an app. Its initial use will be to monitor and program the pump. As we move along with our new product launches, as well as integrating older products into that system, it will be it'll be sort of the central data center for all of our all of our products, any H2 Flow product that that will communicate. The idea is to we're gonna develop sensors and enhancing products for pools that can be integrated into large automation systems, or if the homeowner wants, they can use them as sort of an internet of things, an IoT product that integrates with the Blue Sync app.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yeah, it makes makes sense to have an app that is expandable in the future, but sufficient for the purpose right now, or you're going to use it for, which is controlling the pump programming. And let's just talk about the fact that this is American innovation here. So go ahead and let's let's go from that point.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Sure. Yeah, you know, H2Flow, we're an American company. We pride ourselves on American manufacturing. We manufacture everything here in Sylvania, Ohio. And, you know, we of course use globally sourced components because it's difficult and kind of silly not to these days, but the the pump itself is is made in the U.S. We are hand assembling everything here in Sylvania. It was developed. All the research and development was done here as well. So it, you know, we just feel that's important, especially for our U.S. customers. This is also available in Europe, so we do have European customers, but being

Made In The USA And Built To Support

SPEAKER_00 18:26

able to do that here in the US allows us to rapidly prototype, rapidly develop, and then also rapidly support the product. I don't everybody here in the company is intimately familiar with what we've done in developing this product. So it's it's it's a it's a really neat thing. We we think it's very valuable.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Yeah, and and I would say that you've been making products, of course, with the industry for a long time. The the flow vis flow meter is one that a lot of pool pros are familiar with. So let's just talk about a new product being launched here. What went into testing and making sure that this is ready to go and the pool guys and gals aren't going to be beta testers out there basically.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Sure. Yeah. So what we did is we didn't develop a pump. The pump itself is manufactured by Spec USA. So they're in Jacksonville, Florida, another American company. What we did initially, and I'll I'll give you the long story, but it's not that long. We developed a small, what we call a signal converter for our Floviz digital sensor. We had a lot of demand from people saying to us, look, I have an automation system. I don't need the screen that's on Floviz Digital because my automation system is going to tell me what the flow is. So can I buy it without the screen? Well, the issue was the screen is the computer in Floviz Digital. So we couldn't just take the screen out. So we developed a another product, like a sister product to Flovis Digital, that's just a box. It just takes the signal from the FlowVis digital sensor and converts it to four to 20 milliamps. And I said, you know, what if we took that and put Modbus in it and made it control a variable speed pump like we do with Ecoflow with our with our VFDs? And, you know, so that kind of sparked the idea. From there, we started looking for suitable pumps to do that with, a partner company that that we could work with. We looked at a number of inexpensive, inexpensive pumps, and we looked at another a number of very expensive pumps. We looked at trying to introduce a residential variable speed pump that had the VFD mounted separately, and that that turned out to be very expensive. So eventually we landed on spec. They had a they had a high quality pump. They're able to provide parts support for us. And so that was the first thing. And then from there, we just, you know, we have a test rig here. We have a number of test pools across the country. We knew the pump was solid. We didn't need to test the pump by itself. It was just mainly getting everything working together and correctly while co-developing the app. Luckily, we've got some awesome people that work with us, our rep groups and and a lot of industry partners that were constantly feeding us ideas for features to add to it. The the the floor in-floor cleaning, for example, that was that was one of our one of our west coast or our western US reps. Said, oh, you got to have an in-floor cleaning feature. So we added that. So that's kind of how it how it all developed over time.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, and I was gonna say, uh, does does the inlet and outlet match up with any existing pumps?

SPEAKER_00 21:43

I was wondering it does, it does. And I I've yet to memorize every one of them, but uh I do know we have it's got so we do have a riser as well. So it's got, you know, you've got the normal base and we have a riser. So I know we're good with anything that matches the the inlet. Of a Hayward super pump. So inlet outlet on a Hayward super pump without the riser. And then with the riser, whisper flow and teleflow. On those, you're going to have to replumb the outlet side, but the inlet lines up. The outlet's usually a little easier to replumb. And it's just a height difference. It's not offset or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

But you know, anything that is that matches up to a super pump or a whisper flow

Fitment Details And Model Lineup

SPEAKER_00 22:26

will will match up to that.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

Which is probably about 80% of the industry out there.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Yeah. Yeah. That was, you know, that was another big factor for us in choosing the spec pump because it off the shelf it lined up with that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

That's great for the for the pool pros out there that want to install one because we really hate replumbing the inlets.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

Yes, it is. Yeah. We, you know, it's funny. We just went through that with Paul, our our owner. He he is he put a uh notice on his pump as part of the RD process. And he said, Man, I don't want to replumb this inlet because it was it was tight and there was there was it would have been a major project. So luckily it lined right up. He didn't have to do anything on the inlet side.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Awesome. Well, let's let's wrap this up with this this final one here. And if you're building and designing a pool, and let's say you're you're on a budget, which is kind of like everyone nowadays with the way the economy is, and you know, the builders trying to push automation on you, but you know, and you're a builder yourself, let's say, and you're trying to get your customer the best system, but you know that there's a lot of budget customers, not everyone's gonna get a full automation. That's a known factor. Not everyone's gonna have all the bells and whistles. So as a builder, as a homeowner, as someone getting a pool put in or remodeling a pool, which is very common too, the features they're looking for would probably fit right into this particular not as VSF pump, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah, I would think so. You know, again, yes, if you're building a simpler pool where you don't need automation to operate a lot of water features or complex systems, you know, chemical control systems and things like that. This is going to, again, for not much more money and or in some cases less money than just a variable speed pump, allow you to have a very energy efficient and operationally efficient pool. So it's kind of in that aspect, it's kind of a no-brainer, right? You you're you can have more for the same amount of money. And yeah, if if it's a customer that wants automation, then there's plenty of awesome automation systems to choose from in the industry. And we're happy to supply the FlowViz digital system to support that. But if it's someone again that that just wants a simple pool, I think you're gonna have a better system for the same amount of money.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

We should also mention that there are four different uh total horsepower models available, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yes. Yeah, we've got the 1.65 horsepower for for small pools, the 2.25, it's kind of an in-between. We we have the 2.7, which is really the most universal model for residential pools, and then the 3.45 for small commercial pools and large residential pools. Those those pump sizes should cover everyone's needs.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

And the only one that's dual voltage, I think, looking at the spec sheet here is the 1.65 total horsepower. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 25:33

That's correct. Yep, that's correct.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Okay, people don't know this, but if you do buy like I'm gonna throw a pump out there, let's say you buy a Jand D VS pump to 2.7 horsepower, and those are dual voltage, but what people don't understand is that when you put it on a 115-volt breaker, that pump automatically drops down to like a 1.5 horsepower pump. So there's no real need to have dual voltage on anything above 1.65 in the industry.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Right. And if you were to operate a 2.7 horsepower pump on 115 volts, it would cost you an absolute fortune. It's super expensive. So yeah, the 220 is the way to go on that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Yeah, so I think again, this pump has a lot of features that fit plug right into the industry, the inlet and outlet matching certain pumps, the fact that you have a dual voltage model available if necessary, and then you have the four different total horsepower versions out there. So for someone looking for a pump that, of course, spec is a very well-known manufacturer, yeah, and then your flow via flow meter. So this is not just to end this here new technology, it's just a blending of two technologies into one VS. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that that's uh that's exactly what we've done. We've taken what we know from selling and supporting EcoFlow VFDs and integrating them into commercial pools, and we've brought that to the residential market with some bells and whistles, with some extra programmability, and again, taking the guesswork out of setting up a pool pump for that particular pool.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Awesome. Well, I'm excited about the product, and I'll be doing a YouTube video on it as well. Um, you know, I'll be doing a video on the features and operation of it to give the listeners a hands-on kind of feel for it, besides the podcast. But I think the podcast definitely covers information that I can't put a 20-minute video together and just stand there talking about it. It'll get like 10 10 views, you know. Right. So that's why the podcast format is really good. So you can just kind of you know have information dump is what I call it.

unknown 27:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

And so people know what they're getting. So awesome. So great talking to you, Sean, and thanks for spending the time talking about the the uh S VSF Pump.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Likewise, really appreciate it, David.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Again, to learn more about the Nautus VSF Pump, go to h2flow.net. It'll be

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SPEAKER_01 28:00

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