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Jason Lee Morrison: From Warfare to Wordsmith—Redefining the Veteran Journey Through Storytelling
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In this episode of Security Halt!, host Deny Caballero sits down with Marine Corps veteran, writer, and tech innovator Jason Lee Morrison to explore the complex journey of transitioning from military service to civilian purpose. From the psychological impact of modern warfare to the healing power of storytelling, Jason shares how resilience, creativity, and community support helped him find new meaning after service. This powerful conversation dives into drones, entrepreneurship, mental health, and the value of sharing your story to inspire others.
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Going through my own transition, I realized that there's so many aspects to who we are as men. It's we're not just a war fighter, we're not just uh the paratrooper deployed, the marine that went off to war. We're complex. And I think within all of us is a storyteller. And when I find veterans are out there that are writers that have this lived experience of like grew up in the jungles, came into the service, and after they left, they explored what it was like to become a writer and then go off becoming an entrepreneur. These stories are valuable because it shows the rest of our brothers and sisters out there that like, holy shit, I don't have to get out of the military and do, you know, just one thing. I don't have to be working at the factory. I can explore all these other things because within me is greatness. I too can do something great.
SPEAKER_00:Oh man, it kills me when I see guys get out and just get a fucking job at Walmart or whatever. Like, dude, you are like it's like getting out of getting your PhD and then going back and working, you know, in a fucking stack stack stocking groceries or whatever, dude. Like you have been educated in ways that aren't really you can't really quantify them, you know, but but you just received a fucking PhD in life, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. Yeah. So today, my man Jason Morrison, welcome to the show. Take us on this journey, man. Where did uh this this idea and this greatness begin?
SPEAKER_00:Um, well, you know, I don't really know because uh I'm just kind of hanging on for the ride, you know. I I have no idea. Yeah, it's like I wrote this poem called Dragon, and it's like it starts out like, you know, we we each ride a dragon. It's like riding the fucking dragon, and and like it's just doing its thing, and I'm just hanging on for dear life. Uh you know, part of that poem was a learning experience because um at first I would like try and beat the thing into submission. Uh you know, it was a fight, always a fight, a battle of battling the dragon. And then um in the poem I said I just let it go one day, maybe to watch and try and kill me, I suppose. And and I was awed by it and amazed by it because it's a powerful thing. Like you're you, this beast that you live in, it's it's fucking amazing. Like humans are amazing fucking creatures. Yeah. And um, and then I saw like the beauty in it, and then I began to like you know, I began to encourage this dragon and say, you know, push it and make it fly harder and faster, and and uh and it became like um you know, like a love thing. And then at the end of the poem, I said, and then I knew what love is, and then I loved myself because I realized I'm the fucking dragon. Right. So and but that is funny because it took me like a year or two to write that poem, because I wrote the first part, like we all write a dragon, and then as I learn more about myself, I realize, holy shit, we do, but that's me, you know, like there is um I can't quite uh I can't speak to it in in a way that like a metaphysics guy would or whatever, but I've heard people discuss this idea of self. Like, what is self? Like who am I? Am I the idea of me? Am I my mind? Am I, you know, like what do you pin that to? The name is something that is that I call myself and others call me the body is something I live in, but who really like there are more there's more than one um there's one that more than one dimension to who you are, you know, and sometimes you find those dimensions clashing with each other. And um I I don't I haven't cracked the code on making everything aligned, but and I I wrote about this when I in my book. You know, you were an SF guy, I was a recon guy, like to get into those units, you gotta go through a lot of shit. Oh, yeah. But really think about it. Like, how hard is it to teach someone how to work a radio? How hard is it to teach someone how to do the things that we did? Really to clear a house and shit, you could actually teach monkeys to it's an algorithm, right? So what is it that really set us apart? It wasn't the what we knew about um war that set us apart, it's what we learned about ourselves that set us apart. Yeah. Because when you're when you're rucking and guys are falling out and quitting and and you know the next step I take, I'm just gonna feel more and worse pain. And you don't even see, you don't even know where you're going yet. Like it's the end is not nowhere in sight. And you take that step anyway, you and it hurts, and you know you have to take another one, and you do, that's where you that's just where you start to get elite. That's what being elite feels like. Like all the guys who never even get there, they're in the fucking supply shop for a reason, or they're standing on the gate. They're standing on the gate with all their body armor on and doing 18-month deployments for a reason. I'm sorry, man. I mean, kudos and shit to everyone who fucking, you know, pulled the ore and everything. But bro, if you if you want to really discover like the uh if you want to become elite, it's a fucking battle against that dragon, dude. It's a fucking mind game. It's understanding who you are. And the shit is the same, the same, same shit's true in life. And this didn't occur to me until years later. Like, when when you when you can't fucking go a step further, when you are going through a divorce or a fucking bankruptcy or or or PTSD or whatever it is, dude, you're there, you got two choices. You can just either hate it or you can learn about you through it. Yeah. And that's that's what elite and elite that's what it feels like.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm so glad you went into this, man. We gotta dive into this. I think so many of our guys forget that about ourselves. Like you you met the best version of yourself while you were suffering. You learned to suffer well, you learn to go through so much. And um, it's hard to explain to people because it's not just when you go through the basic, you know, selection and your basic course, so your entire career. Guys have continued on and and and and done horrible, painful shit, you know, done 20 20 mile rucks uh with discs that are are bulging out of their fucking necks. Yeah, continue to be on free fall status, and that that disc is literally pushing itself all the way out and just a little bit longer, and you're fucking paralyzed. But they don't give a fuck. They eat the pain, they eat that. And yes, there's something to be said about making sure you take care of yourself, but you learn to suffer well. And so many people forget that they have that capacity. You can go through so fucking so much, and then not just physical pain, but mental pain. You can go through a lot, and uh it's something that you shouldn't forget. It's a great thing to have on the outside, it gives you perspective. People pay thousands of dollars to have elite coaches kick them in their fucking beanbags all day in these man camps. You don't need that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know what happens. You've already learned what that what that yields, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. But I think uh the the key to it is getting out, transitioning, not losing the perspective, and then continuing to expand on that with the mental toughness, the resilience, the grit. Physical body is easy to train and coach anybody to be strong and endure things, but the mental game. Like, how do you remind guys, like, hey, you're gonna get out of the military, you're gonna get turned down, people are gonna say no, your resume is gonna get submitted 500 fucking times, and people are gonna say 520 no's to you. Keep fucking going. Find your way. How did you find your way? No, and we're talking about when you went through your process, we didn't have LinkedIn. We didn't have these networking coaching and and and resource, we didn't have this resource-rich environment where veterans could just walk into a class and have the mentorship and have a friendly face to walk them through the process. How did you make your way through after your man?
SPEAKER_00:Um, so after I got out, um I I became a contractor for a while for about eight years. And I was working for different, you know, government organizations doing it. But after a while, man, I'm like, you know, like this is kind of lame, dude, because I'm seeing the fucking I'm seeing all the the operators, the guys that used to be me going out on kinetic missions and shit. I'm garden nerds, you know. Like, oh, I'm making a lot of money. I look cool, I look like them, but I'm not.
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SPEAKER_00:Sorry, contractors, but dude, you ain't the fucking tier one guy. You are a fucking nerd, nerd herder. Yeah. Your job is to protect fucking nerds. And you know, there are other guys, there are actually the very few fucking contractors that do connect shit. And that that's a cool fucking gig. It it pissed me off. I actually tried to go take the long walk after several years of contractor. Yeah, because I was like, dude, I uh if I'm gonna do this, I want to fucking do it, not just sit around and fucking watch. No, don't get me wrong, I got a fuckload of gunfights and shit as a contractor in early days in Iraq, like a lot, way more than I did in the in the military. But um, but I wanted to fucking, you know, if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it right. And uh unfortunately I couldn't do it because I had saddled myself with so much shit, you know, the contracting case, you make good money. I had a big fucking house and I had a bunch of shit. And I they wanted me to deploy with a uh ODB, um, because I I signed up with uh 20th SF group and as you know, to just to get my foot in the door into the army so I could go do the transition. And they're like, so I talked to the recruiters, did the initial screening, they're like, you need to deploy because you've only you've been deployed as a contractor for the last five or six years. We need to like see you in fucking in battle, you know, as some you know, something of an operational fucking yeah, which I totally get. I couldn't do it because I couldn't fucking, I couldn't separate myself from the fucking money uh from paying paying the house payments and all this other shit. So uh I fucked me. But um anyway, that I'm just saying that to sh- I'm not saying I would have made it. I I just you know I wanted to take a crack at it. But uh, I'm just saying that because like I felt I I felt driven to do something greater than what I was doing right then.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:After I couldn't do that, I kind of shifted focus toward uh all right, well, I'll be a fucking I'll try the business thing. So I got I ended up getting my degree online from some EIEIO online or some bullshit. Dude, it fucking you know, it worked.
SPEAKER_02:It fucking so I'm doing university.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Fucking it's a grief, but it it opened a lot of doors.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Especially when you have a T S S CI, you know. Fuck a degree. So that got me into um some. You remember Jido? Yes. So uh yeah, I had a buddy. I'll say one thing. What really helped me most, because they you like you said they didn't have LinkedIn and all this other shit back then. What helped me most was my network of friends from the special operations community, dude. And that's one thing, dude, we take for granted. Um coming out of coming out of especially special operations. I know you know the military in general, like that's a free gift that you get is your the relationships that you've made while you're in. And dude, you get out and maybe you don't have all the shit that the other people that didn't join that went to college and did all the shit in the four years or eight years or sixteen years you were gone. Maybe maybe you don't have what they have, but you have something far greater. You have some solid motherfuckers that you can lean on. And dude, that's what to be honest. If I didn't hadn't had that in my life, I I'd be fucking dead in the gutter somewhere. So one of my buddies, he um he worked for Koek. He actually ran the Koek uh forward in Afghanistan, and um he fucking smoothed my resume and got me a job at fucking DC. So and dude, it was hilarious because I showed up. I had been like staying around with body armor and and a gun for the last eight years, and uh and I had a degree and I'm a pretty smart guy, but he he he goes, Okay, do you know anything about networks? I'm like, no. He's like, well, go on Wikipedia and look up networks. So this is no dude. I show up Wikipedia was legit. Yeah. So I show up to Koek, and uh I thought I was gonna be like a special operations like liaison type, you know, interpreting like what the special operations guy needs to the analysts or whatever. No, dude, they put me in charge of all the data systems for US special operations, like Usisoc and uh Warcom and all these people I'm managing and all this data and and the data network and shit. I didn't know what the fuck I was doing, dude.
SPEAKER_02:But dude, I want to highlight this poem right here because I have heard this a similar story from so many guys that they got that first opportunity out in the military and it was way out of their league. They were punching way out of their league, but they figured it the fuck out. Figured it the fuck out. And I'm telling you, if you if you're listening and you work on your network, rely on your friends, the people they know. And if you get an opportunity, don't get scared. Trust in yourself. Understand that you've you've figured out how to do shit your entire career. You'll figure this shit out. Don't kick something out of the way just because you're you're intimidated at first. Fuck the stories I've heard, and this this is fucking awesome.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, dude, it was fucking insane. Like, got my bosses and stuff, they're onboarding me and they're talking to me about you, you know, oh you this data does this, and it's this is data fusion, and it's fused to this node, and all I'm like, what in the f I didn't understand a word they were saying. Dude, I fucking I was like, I hope to god they don't fire me because I'm just but I was drinking from the fire hose and I fucking pulled it off, or or they just that were merciful to me for long enough for me to learn that shit. Dude, and then um I ended up because I was a special operations type being able to like tune their stuff to better meet the needs of special operators. So I actually within eight months I revamped the all the data sharing tier one guys have they share information data and all this shit, but the fucking vanilla soft guys, they don't do shit. Like I was talking to like uh SF guys who are like, oh yeah, all of our fucking data from I mean, you got um Sodar's reports who know whatever fucking reads those, right? Yep. They're gonna put a fucking SharePoint drive somewhere and no one ever fucking opens those fucking things up again. It's in the i drive. Yeah. So I'm like I'm talking to these Intel guys, I'm like, where are all the fucking reports and shit that you guys wrote up and stuff while you were deployed? Oh, they're in a footlocker in fucking Intel shop. Like, bro, okay, let's fucking unfuck this. Because back then that was during the VSO days, right? And you had like you had ODAs who were ripping out fucking MarSock guys and sealed platoons coming in and ripping those guys out. And so you had a fuck, what, what, like a two-week rip toe of maybe?
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Probably only a few days, yeah. And so you don't know what happened, all the fucking minutiae of what went on during that time for the last guys that were there, or the guys before that, especially. And all the reports you sent up to like battalion, they scrub all the shit that's important for the other teams out because they just if you read something at the time level, it's only relevant to another battalion commander, it's not relevant to a fucking ODA somewhere else. You know what I mean? So I was like trying to make all that shareable across everyone. I don't know if they were fucking did it, but um, it became a program record at SOCOM. Like Admiral McCraven signed a fucking letter saying, hey, make Jason's thing real. So it's well, I learned about I learned the shit, you know, and I was able to make a fucking impact, I I hope, um, doing that. But you're absolutely right, man. Like, I hope to God for you guys out there that like are getting into business or uh entrepreneurship in some way, whether or not you're running your own business or or uh just getting a job in the corporate world or don't be fucking don't poo-hoo it and say, Oh, I hate a desk job. I fucking loved it, actually. I thought I was gonna hate it. I fucking loved it. It's business is war, baby. You're just you're not stacking bodies, you're stacking dollar bills. And if you can take the fucking dollar bills from the next guy, fucking hey, man. I mean, it's it's battle. So um, yeah, I really enjoyed it. And um and I think if you are scared and like, holy shit, I'm way uh uh underwater here, that's exactly the right place you need to be. You're a fucking especially as a special ops guy. Like, fucking congratulations, welcome to the fucking show, start swimming, brother. You're like, this is right where you need to be.
SPEAKER_02:Like I say, all the fucking time, all the time. If it's if it's slow, easy going, and it's comfortable, you're gonna fucking hate it. You're gonna absolutely fucking hate it.
SPEAKER_00:Think about this, man. Like, I talk to guys and they're like, dude, like, and and they'll be, you know, guys that are kicking ass in in business or or or even in the you know, in the military or whatever, like, how are you doing? Like, oh man, I'm fucking I'm I'm doing it, but I'm fucking barely keeping my lips above the water, you know. Like, you know.
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SPEAKER_00:Dude, that right there, that is the best you'll ever be. If you are barely fucking keeping your lips above the water, you are fucking killing it. You don't see, you know, you you don't see uh Tom Brady sitting around eating fucking donuts and watching playing PS5 all day with right before, you know. He's probably out there busting his ass, working out, fucking thinking about shit, fucking the best in your game, you're that's what you're gonna feel like. That's again, that's what Elite feels like. It feels like you're barely making it. Why? Because you're using every fucking faculty that you have at your disposal. You're fired all your guns at once and explode into space, right? More than be wild. Like that's what you're doing, and you're exhausting every fucking thing, everything's on full afterburner. That's why you feel fucking tired, that's why you feel exhausted. That's why that's what kicking ass feels like. So good job. Keep fucking going. Now you can burn out and shit from that, um, but dude, fucking that's what makes that's the feeling of becoming like trans not just becoming better, but like transcending, you know, becoming a different person. You you don't your your greatest obstacles in life, you don't fucking struggle over top of them. You grow you grow over them. Exactly. Like what like years later, you'll trip over something and be like, what the fuck was that? Oh, that's that thing that used to kick my ass all the time. Years ago, and now I don't even know it's there because I've grown over, I've transcended that. I'm not it's not the same person. I'm not playing on the same level, I'm playing way levels up here now. You don't get there unless it's fucking painful, man.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And like one thing they always talk about, and it's just you don't know this world. So be it's okay to have the beginner's mind. Don't get frustrated when you don't have the immediate answer or or you're not finding the right thing. Like, dude, fall in love with the process, dig through, research, figure it out. Whatever you're whatever industry you're trying to break into, whatever whatever you're doing, fall in love with the ugly stuff, fall in love with the hard stuff. And then when you look back in a few months, you're gonna realize all that stupid shit you didn't like doing, you're actually like getting really good at it. And now you're fucking cruising.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. Well, dude, and think about this too, like, especially if you're doing something that something novel where like nothing, few people have ever done that kind of thing before, you aren't gonna be able to get help because no one's ever fucking done it before. Yeah. Right? If you're out swimming in those waters and you're calling for help, don't expect anyone to fucking show up because no one else, if if they knew how to do it, they'd be doing it. You're the mother, you're the guy, right? So you're the you're the pioneer, you're out there beyond what other people can, you're doing what uh most others won't, you know, aren't willing to do or can't do, so expect not to have very many people around to tell you how to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. That's uh that's the truth, man. Like another thing a lot of guys don't realize is at some point for some individuals, they're gonna pivot. They're gonna get really they're gonna get that job right off, they're gonna love it, they're gonna do great, or maybe they hate it and they learn to love it, and then there comes that itch, that that that feeling of wanting to pivot into something else. When did that happen for you?
SPEAKER_00:Oh man, um well, the first time I did that, uh so I was working at Koick, and then my big idea kicked off. And I learned so much from from that that time, um, just in the corporate space and then working with DOD and all that stuff on the on the Gov side. Uh, and then I ended up um I because of that, I was like the only special operations guy in the whole DC area that also knew a lot about big data and advanced analytics. So I I got a job. Um, well, the combating terrorism technical support office. They're called something else now, but fucking goofy ass name. But have you ever heard of Palantir? Oh fuck, yeah, bro. So I'm the guy that fucking fielded Palantir to you guys. Oh, no shit. Yeah, they tried to hire me, and I was like, no, fucking, I want to be an independent consultant. And they're like, Well, I don't know about that because it was mantech, and they're like, no, you know, they don't like doing that. It's like good luck trying to find someone else. So sure enough, they called me later. I was like, okay. So they hired me as an independent consultant, and that was my job is to field palonteer to fucking SF. Oh shit. And to uh throw out you know the different T Socks.
SPEAKER_02:Shout out to my boy Ricky, who was our Palantir rep, because I ended up a lot of people hated it. A lot of people didn't want to use it, and and it had so many different I gotta be careful what I can and can't talk about.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well it's huge, it's a loaded issue, man. It still is. I thought by now everyone would be over, but no, it's and I understand why. I mean, you don't want it anyway, but it was it is a tool and it helped us kill a lot of people, and thank God for it.
SPEAKER_02:I loved it. I loved the integration uh integration. Uh I loved it. I was you know, being a warrant officer on the team, you're the systems guy, you're the computer nerd. And uh I absolutely saw it as an asset and and learning everything about it and getting the to me, it was uh an insanely valuable piece of tech.
SPEAKER_00:And uh yeah, but you know what it what it did when I thought about it later, it it was a good piece of gear, but what it did is it made us fight the war differently, and that it was a catalyst to try again transcendent catalyst. It made us do do not not do shit better, but not approach the problem in a way to solve it better, but approach the problem in a way to solve it differently, yeah. Right? Because it made like before I remember when I was in uh in the in Force Recon, the Intel guy was like, he was waiting for us to get back, you know, to learn from us. I mean, we were fucking Force Recon, that was our fucking job, right? It wasn't like we weren't getting fed a lot. Most of it was like, what do you have to tell me? Well, with Palantir and shit like that, it made it like a driving force, a forcing function of combat. Like, so it was the Israelis call it intelligence-driven combat. So everything, so all your operations are for the sake of finding more intelligence to drive more operations, to find more intelligence to drive, and it becomes the ops and intel thing that are way over here become a fucking loop. It's one thing now. Yeah, right? So your ops are two, you're ops are for the sake of driving Intel, Intel's for the sake of driving the ops. And dude, that and the Marine Corps had changed the Marine Corps a lot. When I was doing that CTTSO gig, I actually helped uh at Headquarters Marine Corps Intel. They were, I don't know if they ever did it, but they were talking about a new operational concept based on that to Intel driving ops. Because usually the Intel guys in the back just waiting for the op to be over to interview people, but this way he was like pushing targets on people.
SPEAKER_02:Yep. That's exactly it. That's exactly fucking it, man. It is like a hidden figures expose on GWAT.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02:Oh man, this is great because like, you know, who knows what the next big thing is. And we have to understand that the the ingenuity and the creative sparks could be coming from from our G Watt vets. The guys are out there, or guys and gals are transitioning now. Like, you never know what your experience could get you involved with uh in your next chapter, man.
SPEAKER_00:Like that's true. Well, dude, even during back to Palantir, really quick, because it is exactly on the point of what you're saying. The reason why Palantir was so successful isn't because of the nerds out back there coding it. It was partially because of that, but it was because the fucking guys that they sent out to the field, their field service reps, were sitting right next to the fucking um, you know, the fucking operators and the operators were like, why won't it do this? Why won't this thing pound in a nail? And so they would tell the guys back at Palo Alto, make it pound in a nail. And so they did. Because, dude, the best inventors, the most in the greatest fucking inventors are the guys that break your invention. Yeah. There and you give something like that to a Marine or a fucking SF guy or a sale, he's gonna fuck up try and break it. You know what I mean? That's he's gonna push it beyond what it was made to do. And your job, and dude, is especially if you guys are in the innovative space, the tech space, whatever, listen to the fucking end user. They're the greatest inventor. They will make or break your company. And if you don't listen to them, if you tell them, well, you're using it wrong, bullshit. If they bitch about it, that's called a requirement, motherfucker. Yeah, build that into your shit. So that's why Palantir was successful, because they listened and they they had guys working around the clock updating and upgrading their their uh system with everything that the guys on at the pointy end were bitching about. So that's the and that applies to everything in business. If you're selling fucking tacos and you're not listening to your people eating your tacos about what's wrong with them, then you're missing out on the the the best inventors, the your greatest asset. That as a business owner or a or uh in in most cases as a business guy are the people that use your product. And if you aren't tapped into them, um the the engineers, the engineers are good at some things, but engineers aren't really good at practical application of stuff. Exactly. You need to listen to the people that are breaking it.
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SPEAKER_01:That's very true.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and and that's a that's something that I've noticed too is um these big defense tech companies, they're they're they're onto something. They're understanding that if their end user is SOCOM, like they're gonna hire a lot of guys are getting out from the teams, whether it's SEAL teams, Rangers, SF, Force Recon, MarSock, they're going after you guys. Um like one of the one of the the biggest things I want you to know, if you're out there and you're listening, you're a CCT, a JTAC, a TAC P, an 18 echo comms guy, holy shit. You've got it made in the fucking shade. Don't ever, ever tell yourself you're not gonna be successful. Because the most paid individuals in my friends group, the dudes that are bringing in the most amount of money are the combo guys. The guys that are communicators.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. What's the next um the next level? What's the next thing in combat right now? Like look at Ukraine. It's it's uh autonomous systems, yeah. And they all have to talk to each other.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, and the main stupid.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Like, and you can apply, you can take that and you can apply it. I mean, especially if uh, like you said, the the guys that are used to dealing with airplanes and stuff, it's the same thing, it's just tiny little ones. And and you have the you know, the um I my business partner, I on something I'm doing now, he uh he's been over in Ukraine almost non-stop since the whole thing started. And been yeah, and been helping out with a lot of the drone stuff. So like we've been learning, and you I think DOD is missing it big time because yeah, you can sit back and and listen, for instance, in the deal with Ukraine, you can sit back and listen to what the Ministry of Defense is telling you. But unless you're out there on the pointy end, you aren't gonna understand the nuance of how to use these systems and what works best and what doesn't. Like, you know, it it doesn't work during a full moon if you're eating tacos, like some shit like that is you don't get that unless you're there, like I said again, like I said with Palantir, unless you're sitting next to the guys doing the dirty, dirty work. So um I think it it was we we've been kind of screaming about this uh as far as like what's required to make uh the next generation of you know next generation warfare work. Um and a lot of people I'm kind of concerned because we tend to we're leaning really heavily on our F-22s and stuff when sorry pal, it ain't gonna do shit when you're up against 10,000 fucking drones, you know.
SPEAKER_02:The drone swarm, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Not only that, but they're hooked with they're hooked in with robot dogs with turrets on them. Like, holy shit, dude. And all the sensors on the battlefield, like that's where it's going. And there are a few hard, there are a few tough things, you know. There are a lot of tough things to get there, and that's where you guys that have done this stuff um are gonna be able to be the ones to help solve those problems. But we have to we have to fucking we gotta get there. The Chinese are way ahead of us on this, man.
SPEAKER_02:Oh man. Yeah. It's uh I have hope, but man, holy shit. They are they're a whole different, they're they're a whole different level.
SPEAKER_00:Thank God their stuff is made from shitty parts. Like but at least a couple of those goddamn things are gonna not break.
SPEAKER_02:Few of their weapon systems will work. Not all of them, but a few. Yeah, it's uh it's it's a brave new world, man. It's insane. I I had um a gentleman on the show. We had to stop um the podcast because he was a he's he went over, volunteered, young man, and uh bless his heart, man. When you miss out on the GWAT experience, and there's so I've talked to so many young men, they're like, I missed out, I missed out. I enlisted and never deployed. Sent a lot of people into Ukraine as volunteers, and what he was describing, the the day-to-day combat and dealing with drone warfare, I was like, and it got to a point where it was just like reliving the trauma, and I'm like, all right, dude, like take a moment, let's pause, let's let's not uh let's not continue because right now this is you're you're back home, but you're still there. Yeah. I was just like, that's like I I haven't aired a few uh you know, few episodes I haven't aired when I started this just because of just bad dialogue, didn't have you know, growing, growing pains. That one did not air because that's somebody that was actively going through it, and it was just like dude, you know, and and at the end of it, it's like, yeah, I I I gotta go back. Nah, I I owe it to my my friends are still there. I'm like, fuck, dude. Like, bless your heart.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, dude, that's a whole another game, dude. Yeah. Yeah, the scary part is like whatever side wins in in a like autonomous warfare type scenario. Well, guess what's gonna happen next? It's gonna be people versus drones. Because once all the drones get wiped out on one side, it you still gotta deal with them. You know, it's gonna be ugly, man.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Yeah, I never thought a million years uh Call of Duty modern warfare would become a real life situation.
unknown:Shit.
SPEAKER_02:I was just explaining and explaining to my wife like the whole concept of like, yeah, we're literally playing a video game where you could use drones to fucking you know on your kill streak, and now it's a real fucking thing. Now we've got VR mounts for your helmets. For I'm like, fuck, dude.
SPEAKER_00:Like, no, dude, it's gonna be given gnarlier than that because like one of the things that we've been trying to do, the company that uh my uh business partner and I started, uh it's called L C D M Tech, uh low-cost disruptive multi-use technology. One of the things that we were working on there is like when you think drone swarms, you think, oh, you know, a thousand of the a thousand drones of the same type. That's fucking stupid. Like look at a gr look at an infantry battalion. You know, everyone's not the same MOS, right? Yeah, people have different jobs, different specialties, different capabilities. So you need like stacks of different types of drones. And the idea is that when you send them out, you send them out in in ways that systematically destroy the enemy's ability to resist the drones. And then like you take out their electronic warfare first, so that takes a certain type of drone, and you take out their anti-aircraft, so they quit shooting, they can't shoot down any more drones. Or you just send so many drones over there they expend all their fucking anti-aircraft munitions. You take out the anti-aircraft batteries, and then you take out, you know, the radars, you take out the command centers, and then and then you start taking out artillery, and then you take out the tanks, and then you'd go after the grunts, you know, the the infantry guys. So it's a it's a dismantlement of of the order of battle, right? Yeah. So um, in order to do that, you need different shit with different capabilities. And back to the tech side of building this, like all you comms guys out there and all you tech nerds, this is doing that is hard to do. You need a lot of different types of drones talking to each other, AI in the loop. Like, if one drone sees a fucking uh electronic warfare jammer, then it needs to tell the other drones, and the other drones can take, you know, can prosecute the target. So you're building and battle, like I said before when I was talking about CQB, I mean it's an algorithm. Open door left, closed door, right, long hallway. That's an algorithm. If then, if then, that's a fucking algorithm. Yeah. What am I gonna do then? Well, the thing about drones, they don't have to stop and go, oh, okay, let's see. What do I stack two guys? No, a drone out, it's math, right? So you've taken the fucking human failure problem out of that algorithm. It's just instantaneous. Wham, wham, wham, wham, wham. Anyway, it's pretty insane shit.
SPEAKER_02:But anyway, back to what we were how did how did you find yourself pivoting into that?
SPEAKER_00:Um, my buddy uh again, he's he was talking to a a friend of mine who I'd worked with in DC, and he's like, Oh, you need to talk to Jason Morrison. And uh, so this guy called me out of the blue, and um we just kind of hit it off talking about this. It was like a few days before the invasion, before that Russia invaded Ukraine. And we talked, we were talking about tech stuff because I've become kind of a nerd since uh all my stuff in the government. And um forced to be a nerd. Yeah, that's right. It's fun, dude. So uh you can kill a lot of people being a nerd. That's the that's the reality where we're at, dude. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We can be a meteor all you want, but uh the reality is you whether you want it or not, if you want to stay in the game, you're gonna be forced to become a nerd.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. But it's it's it's important to have guys that have that, you know, battlefield context to to lend to the the nerd side of things. So becoming dual-headed like that is fucking critical. So um, so yeah, it was just through my friends, and uh, we ended up, he was like, Oh, yeah, I'm going to Ukraine. If he called me a few days later, and uh I said, Okay, well, I'll backstop you if you need anything back in the States, let me know. So I was doing all his like he'd send me some shit in the middle of the night. Hey, I need a fucking uh, you know, shit like the fucking non-disclosure agreement or fucking or I I need you to draft up a document for the Ukrainian MOD. And so I was just doing sitting around on my fucking computer fucking backstopping them and making phone calls and setting shit up. And so it's just kind of gone on since then. So we're doing some pretty cool shit now. I can't really get into it, but uh uh hopefully I'll update you one of these days, and you know, we'll all be fucking multimillionaires and I've won the war. But uh that's pretty cool shit. But but you mentioned this before I got into the this this stuff. I had a good 10-year run of just like famine, bro. Like no, no shit. Yeah. So um, and you're talking about pivoting. See pivot the pivots don't always come when you expect them. So I um I ended up my security clearance got suspended over some goofy shit just temporarily, and uh I couldn't go into work, so I ended up losing my job. The nice, you know, the the hard thing about having a niche job like that is there's probably only one or two jobs like that, right? Yeah, so I could it was really hard, especially without a security clearance, hard to find um work and this and that. And I'm sitting around, I'm like shit, all of a sudden the rug got yanked out from under me. I'd just gone through a I was in the middle of a really harsh divorce. Oh uh lost my job. I had nothing, I couldn't even get a job. It was like a waiter or anything, because they're like, You made 350k last year, like uh we're not gonna hire you as a waiter, you're just gonna go do this shit again. You know, you're just gonna go back and uh you're overqualified. The moment I can, I will be leaving this year. Right. But it never fucking happened. But um, you'd have nothing. And uh I'm like, what the fuck do I do? I'm I I'm not even at square one right now. I'm at square zero. Like I have nothing. And um it was a tough, you know, a tough place to be. It was hard coming to grips with that as a as a reality in life, and then I realized something that set me free, man. And so if you're ever at that spot where you feel like you're at square zero, think about it, think about it this way I can do whatever the fuck I want. I'm at square zero, so I can start doing right now whatever the fuck I want to do in this life. Like, holy shit. So what do I really want? And that is one of the hardest questions in life, man. Everyone, you know, you you tend to believe that the hardest question in life is how do I get what I want? But that's not the hardest question. The hardest question is what do I really want? Like, what do I really want? And um and I thought about it for a while, and I thought, you know what? And I was I'm I was the thing I wanted most, it was difficult to want because it was it I knew there was such a high risk of failure, and everyone would make fun of me, and this and that, and the other. And that's when I decided to become a writer. Yeah. And so I went on social media that night and then I told everyone, hey, I'm a writer now. I hadn't I hadn't written a fucking word. Because I, you know, I wanted to own it. Yeah, I hadn't written a goddamn word, but I was a writer. Right. Written two books since then. Um and yeah, no, I'm not a fucking you know, multi-bazillionaire or anything like that. Dude, I'm I'm doing what I want to do in life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that that takes balls. Like, let's let's run it back for a little bit on the the like you're right. When you're ground zero, you can do whatever the fuck you want. You can become a podcaster, you figure it the fuck out. That's that's a route I chose.
SPEAKER_00:I would have never chosen to be a writer. I would have never quit my job, you know? Yeah, I would have never quit my job and said, oh, okay, I'm gonna make zero dollars a year writing. Dude, if you want to be a writer, just like everything else, you don't just start off cranking out a bestseller. Everyone wants to do that. But um you gotta start at zero. Yep. So I would have never chose, I would have never become a writer if I've never done the thing I wanted to do most in life if I hadn't have had no other choice, really. So sometimes, you know, your pivots are like that, they're kind of forced on you. But but if you are in a position like that where you're like, man, I'm I'm really out of options here. It's your perfect fucking opportunity, man. No. So what was the first book, and how'd you start that process? Uh the first book was this one here. It's called The Perfect Fucking Life. And there's a lot of satire in that. Oh man. So uh that one, I had, you know, I thought, okay, I'm gonna write fiction, I'm gonna write stories. Ernest Hemingway is a big fucking you know, idol of mine and this and that. Um but but I was going through so much heavy shit, I just started writing down little things here and there of the shit I was going through, and the things that would occur to me, not this money drony fucking woe is me crap. I hate that shit. But the stuff like um, I remember one of the first things I wrote was um and kind of along these lines, is uh dream big. You would if your dreams were visions of your future. Well, they are, you know, and that to me back then was like holy shit, that's fucking cool. That that thought occurred to me, like I'm gonna write that down. And um, because it helped me, you know, work through what I was going through. And not on top of all, you know, how PTSD works, it never it doesn't strike the the day you get off deployment, it waits until you're fucking super vulnerable. So I was dealing with PTSD, I was dealing with the divorce, I was dealing with financial shit. Uh everything was like all happened all you know all at once. And um, and on top of that, a lot of people that I told, hey, I'm a writer now, I got the fucking eye rolls, I got what the I mean, really most of the people, even close friends and shit, um, because they just didn't expect it. I don't blame them or anything. It's a it's to be expected, and that's to be expected if you decide to do something great. Expect people to be fucking like, oh, really? Uh, okay. Because you've never done it before and they've never seen you. Maybe they don't even know, like, a lot of people didn't even know I wanted to be a writer. You know what I mean? So they're like, what in the fuck is Jason up to? I got a lot of that shit. And I got people that are like worried about me and shit like that. Hey, that just comes with the territory. And if people aren't doing that, then it's probably not the right thing, man. You're aiming too low. Aim high, baby. Make them roll their fucking eyes.
SPEAKER_02:I had a few of those messages.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, right. You know how it goes.
SPEAKER_02:So you have a face for radio. I don't think it's gonna work for you.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks. Yeah. That's you know you're in the right spot if you're getting that shit.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So people don't understand your drive, then your dream, and they don't understand the the importance that or the lessons that we learned in doing hard shit. Like the impossible seems possible. Everything that we've been through teaches us, like, okay, A, if they can do it, why not me? And B, like, okay, if if somebody else has done this before, then there's a coachable methodology out there that I can follow to be successful in this. If somebody else has done it, there's there's a blueprint, there's a guide and how to fucking do this. It's not impossible. Um, and that's something that I realize that that's strongly I I constantly do it. I would tell you, I will look at a problem set and be like, oh, yeah, fuck it, I can do it. I jump into it and I realize, fuck, this is a lot a lot harder than I thought, but I mean, fuck, I I mean, if that guy can do it, I can do it. I'm not telling you it's not gonna suck. I'm just saying that like jump in, go ahead first. Um uh other people may be risk adverse, but like did you find it that it was a lot easier to jump in straight and just start going and start swimming?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, man, because um well, a lot of it was because I went out and fucking fucked myself over by telling everyone I was a writer. And so people like, okay, well, what are you writing then? You know? And uh so they wanted to see something. So I was kind of holding myself accountable to that. Um, and that was that was probably the best thing I could have done for myself. But one of my it I I didn't have anywhere to live, I had nothing. So one of my buddies, actually the same guy that got me the job at the CoEC, he's he's my actually my best friend. He were roommates as Lance Corporals, you know. So we're still fucking best buddies, man. He he was in Africa, yeah. He was in Africa at the time, and he's like, dude, I got this big villa. He was uh running ISR operations over there for a while. Uh at the time he was managing director of uh of an aviation nonprofit here in Antenna. And uh he's like, I got this villa on Lake Victoria. Why don't you come here and just write? I'm like, well, dude, at first I was like, I can't do that. You know, I got bills to pay and this and that. And then I was like, after a day or two, I was like, I want to stay here so I can pay bills. Like, if I didn't live here, I wouldn't have the fucking bills. You know what I mean? So I'm like, okay, I'll fucking do it. And that really got the people worried about me and eye rolls and shit like that. Jake, we're going to Africa, what the fuck? But dude, it was awesome. It was a leap of faith, but it was so good for me. And so uh. How how long did that journey last? How long were you out there? I was only out there for two months because um I ended up getting a gig in New York City through the SEAL Future Foundation. I had forgotten that I had even applied for this internship deal, like months before. Yeah. And they called me and they're like, hey, uh, when I was in Africa, I'd been there for about a month. They're like, hey, man, you're a candidate for this. Do you want to come and come to New York and interview? I'm like, I'm in Tibby, Africa, dude. Like, you gotta. Are you able to fly me? Because they were gonna fly me from DC. They're like, will you fly me from here? And they're like, we got to get back to you on that one. But they did, dude. Damn. And um, it was a great experience. I ended up um getting that's a long story, too. I ended up getting a direct hire position out of that interview. Um because they hired they got they hired an intern. That's a cool program, too. I don't know if it's still going, but it's through again the SEAL Future Foundation. It's special operations only, but they put they do an interview, I think it's once a year, maybe it's a quarter. I think it's only once a year, but they interview pools special operations guys, and you're in the mahogany boardroom with leather chairs and everything, talking to there must have been like 12 CEOs in there, and um, it's a it's no joke, but they'll hire you and put you in one of their agencies for three months at a time for for a year, and then place you if you're if you do well, they'll place you after that. It's a good program, but um, yeah, so I ended up going to New York and working there. It was about a year that I did that gig. Uh well, not quite a year, but um that was really transformative too, because I was still going through all the same shit, but then I was in, but now I'm in New York City, dude. And so like the energy and stuff coming off of that. Um I did a lot of writing there. Um, it was very and in fact, you asked me what you know brought about the first book. I it had been a year since I had told everyone I'm gonna be a writer. It was April, I think it was 2016 or something. Oh, that's I don't know, but um so it had been a year and I'm I'm beating myself up like I haven't even written shit yet, what the hell? Because I wanted to write a you know a novel or something. And then I was like, you dumbass, you got 15 notebooks full of stuff under your desk. So I started going through the notebooks and like compiling all these little bits of stuff that I'd written. Some of it's just short stor short stories about combat and stuff, like different it's all all wacko random shit. Some shit's like, hey, what the fuck, God, you know, like questions you have in your mind when you're you know when you're at war and you know, you know, you know you might die, and yeah, and you're like, okay, is there you know, you start thinking about that type of stuff. Well, is is God real? Is he legit? If so, why is all this bullshit going on? You know, why are people killing each other in his name? This kind of shit that you think about, this the type of stuff you talk about in the team room, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And uh the and a lot of those things that come out of that, a lot of them most of those conversations go with the unanswered questions, you know. And so I started like asking myself the really hard questions, you know, about stuff like that. So anyway, a year's worth of that kind of content, and I just and I didn't even it took me several years actually to compile it to I knew I had the idea, but it took me a while to compile it and then and then put it into a book. Um and then the um and that's when I was going through some fucking man, I was in the desert, bro. Like that lasted a long, a long fucking time. But um and then I for a couple years I didn't didn't write a word. Uh and then uh for some reason I just always come back to writing. And so I started writing. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck to write. That's for me that's as a writer, that's the hardest problem. Like, what what the hell do I write? And uh, you know, every time I'd sit down and talk to someone and tell them my story or whatever, just bullshitting with people. I remember one time, it's actually in the foreword of this book, I was in Canada and I was at this drug dealer's house, and uh and one of his uh one of the drug dealers like henchmen, he was like six foot eight, you know, big, huge Canadian guy with a beard and shit. Anyway, I'd been there for like an hour or two and with my girlfriend at the time, and people are asking me, you know, because they they opened the whole thing, like what do you do or where are you from or whatever? And I grew up in Indonesia, you know, my parents were missionaries, and and I'm telling I was in the Marines and I did this tech stuff, and and they just kept asking me questions, and uh just sitting around bullshitting, you know, and like about an hour so later, this big dude stands up and he goes, You know what? You're fucking full of shit, man. Like you everything you've said for the last hour is complete bullshit. He's like, There's no way any of that shit can be true. You're a fucking liar. And um to this day, that's my my my life's greatest compliment. Yeah, my gr my greatest compliment in my life is to be called a liar after telling my story. And uh thanks, man. Anyway, so after experiences like that, I'm like, well fuck, why don't I just write down my life, you know? So um and I it took me about five years to do it because I started writing it back in um 2019, I think. And then I got to the part about my divorce and my kids and stuff like that, and it hurt still hurt so bad I could I just couldn't write about it. So um it took me several years then to be to get up to be able to write about it. But uh so I just finished at the beginning of this year. It's called Finally Somehow Home. It's a beast, it's like a fucking Bible.
SPEAKER_02:I like that. The rugged look.
SPEAKER_00:That's uh that's yeah, it's like it's been on a long journey, man.
SPEAKER_02:You know, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Dude. Thanks, buddy.
SPEAKER_02:I gotta get that now. Damn.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's a dude. A lot of the shit in there is exactly the kind of stuff we're talking about, as far as like like becoming elite and like that type. It's not just like, hey, I did this, then I did that. It's like this is what I learned. Most of it is what about what I've learned from.
SPEAKER_02:And I think there's something to be said about reading those stories, man. Like, this is something that I say all the fucking time. If you're a frequent fan of the show, you hear me say it, I'll say it again. When you tell these stories, man, that the stories that are complete, just not highlighting the combat stuff, highlighting the the military, the second chapter, the third, the fourth, the fifth. We are going to inspire the next great generation. We are. But only if we write about what we went through, only if we write down the stories of how we got here. If you go back in time and and and look at your young sir, your yourself back in those days when you were just a kid dreaming about joining the military, you stumble across somebody's story. And I would argue that the greatest part of that story that you read, like for myself, reading about Roy Benavitas, it wasn't just the fact that he was a green beret. It's the fact that he was banged up, he was fucked up and hurt, and he was in a hospital and he fell off the bed every night, and he rolled over to a wall, and he willed himself to walk again. He'd crawl, push up against the wall, and get up and try to force himself to walk. And reading about his upbringing, that shit hooked me. Yes, the military stuff is great. The mission he went on that we all know about these days, those stories are great. But the thing that hooked me was an incredible, resilient individual whose strength I looked up to and admired. And I would never even meet this individual or know him personally. But knowing that a human being could have the capacity to overcome that gave me the idea that holy shit, maybe someday I could have that. I could grow to be that strong. Exactly, man. Exactly. That's what we need, and we need those stories. So, you listening at home, this is your challenge. Write the book, write the story of your Life. Don't just let it up to be guys like Jason that are willing to say it publicly before they even start writing. Fucking take some ambition, take some some inspiration from his story. Go do it. But even better, do me a favor, pause the episode, go to the episode description, click that fucking link, and buy the book. I'm buying my cop my copy as soon as we get off doing this. And spoiler alert, the episode's almost over. You know I keep these things about an hour. It's no, you know, you're new, you're not new to this. You know how we do it here. Get the book, connect with him on LinkedIn, and uh do me an additional favor. Reach out, connect with your friends. If you're listening to this, you know the main thing about the show is advocacy and mental health and resource awareness. Transition is a beast. Don't try to do it by yourself. Jason's talked about how many friends he had helped him along the way. I will tell you, if I wouldn't have gone into this entrepreneurial endeavor, I could have probably gotten a pretty good job by just reaching into my network. Another great thing for you to take after this is reach out to your friends. If you're within that one year mark, start building your network. Start going on LinkedIn and growing that fucking badass network of individuals who are going to support you. Because they're out there, man. Old commanders, old teammates, old platoon mates, people you served with in all those different units. Connect with them. Start asking them questions. What jobs are out there? What got you in that position? Start building your resume. Start building your network today. Not tomorrow. Not after you get out. Well, you're still in. Give yourself a little bit of breathing room, man. These are all things I wish I would have listened to. And hell, maybe I could have been the next great pharmaceutical sales rep. But that's neither here nor there. Jason, I can't thank you enough for being here and for writing this book, man. Again, before I let you go, where can we find these amazing works?
SPEAKER_00:Uh just go to my website, the perfectfucking life.com.
SPEAKER_02:And are you on social media? Where can we find you and stay in touch with you?
SPEAKER_00:I'm on Instagram, Swift and Shifty Ninja. It's Swift and just N Shifty Ninja. And on Facebook, uh Jason Lee Morrison, and it's uh an author page. And on LinkedIn, of course, too, Jason Lee Morrison.
SPEAKER_02:There you go, folks. You know what to do. Go to those links and connect. Jason, again, thank you for being here, brother. Thank you for being a friggin' amazing human being. And uh I can't wait to have you back on to talk about all things drone warfare or your next and greatest book. And to you all listening at home, thank you for tuning in. I greatly appreciate it, and I can't wait to see you next time. Till then, take care. SecureDob Podcast is proudly sponsored by Titan's Arms. Head up to the episode description and check out Titan's Arms today.
