Diary of an Apartment Investor

He Almost Quit Before the First Deal with Michael Rebelo

Brian Briscoe Episode 587

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Most aspiring apartment investors quit right before momentum starts.

What looks like failure is often the final friction point before proof of concept.

In this conversation, we unpack what happens between learning and actually closing — and why that gap breaks most people.

If you’re serious about building real momentum instead of collecting education, the conversation doesn’t stop here. Inside the Tribe of Titans multifamily investing community, we work through real deals together — live underwriting, capital raising conversations, and operator-level decision making.
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What You’ll Learn

  • Why “learning” without execution becomes a trap
  • The moment they nearly shut the business down
  • The mindset shift that unlocked capital raising
  • Why the second deal moves faster than the first
  • How listening beats pitching every time
  • Why proof of concept changes how brokers and investors treat you

This episode is for anyone sitting between education and action.

The first deal is hard.
 Momentum comes after.

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About the Guest

Michael Rebelo is the President of Ever Forward Capital Partners and a 20-year-old entrepreneur who chose entrepreneurship over the traditional college path. Inspired by his goal to retire his mom, he entered multifamily investing early and committed fully to building real ownership instead of chasing theory.

Today, Michael co-manages 200+ apartment units in Texas and is focused on helping Middle Americans understand and access multifamily syndications as a path to long-term financial freedom. He has spoken at real estate events across the United States, appeared on numerous real estate podcasts, and hosts his own show where he brings in some of the world’s leading financial operators to educate and give back.

lean more about him at: https://www.everforwardcapitalpartners.com/

About the Host:


Brian Briscoe is an apartment operator and founder of Streamline Capital, focused on acquiring and operating multifamily properties in the greater Salt Lake City metro. He hosts the Diary of an Apartment Investor podcast, where he shares real-world operator insights and decision frameworks for aspiring multifamily investors.

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Show Open And Audience Focus

Brian Briscoe

Welcome to the Diary of an Apartment Investor Podcast, a show where we cut through the noise and talk about what it actually takes to build a real multifamily investing business. I'm Brian Briscoe, apartment investor, operator, and founder of Streamline Capital. And this podcast is built for the aspiring apartment investor who wants more than just theory. We talk about raising capital, closing deals, managing assets, and making the decisions that separate dabbling from building something that lasts. Now, if you're serious about taking the next step, this conversation continues inside of the Tribe of Titans multifamily investing community where investors work through real deals together with live discussions and direct support. So let's get into today's episode. Welcome to the Diary of an Apartment Investor Podcast. I'm your host, Brian Briscoe. Really excited for today's show. We've got Michael Rabello with us. So, Michael, welcome to the show today.

Michael Rebelo

Yeah, it's always a pleasure.

Michael’s Early Money Lessons

Brian Briscoe

Awesome. Awesome. Well, good having you on. Seeing you all over social media. So you're doing something well, uh, at least one thing well. But yeah, excited to hear, you know, what's happened with your multifamily since we last talked. So let's rewind the clock and let's just have you talk about your background and then kind of tell us a tale about you and then how you got into multifamily. In high school, I was, I forget which year this was.

Michael Rebelo

I think I was a uh junior at the time. I've always had the entrepreneurial grid. I was taking business and finance, entrepreneurship marketing, those courses. They were selective. Yep. And I was like, this just fascinates me. I'm currently 20 years old.

Brian Briscoe

Okay. So for the listeners, he's talking about high school because it was a couple of years ago, right? So 20 years old. Now, now that we have that context, keep going. And so, you know, if I talk about high school, I hate to say it as 30 something years ago. But anyway, keep going. Entrepreneurship classes, you know, really, really spoke to you. Go ahead.

From Stocks To Searching For Cash Flow

Michael Rebelo

I would say the concept behind it, whether you could actually invest money and actually have it grow for you and have passive income. And I was learning at like the very, very, very top surface level. I mean dust on top. And later I was still researching. I was going to invest in the stock market, didn't know when, when I don't have the time to sit down. So transition and moving on to my junior year. Uh, this is when I really started to put the uh foot to the floor with investing in the stock market, the SP 500, oil stocks, oil drilling companies, airline companies, everything that I was familiar with. That's how I started. I was um playing the stock market game in class, and then summer break hits, and then my mother comes home and she was like, hey, we need to talk. And they think that's not good. Yeah, especially with me being a teenage boy, I'm like, that's not good. Yeah, what did I do wrong? But anyway, moving on to that, she was like, we need to talk about the current family investments, and I need to teach you about compound interest IRA and the 2008 crash and why that's so important. So I'm going, I'm 17, I don't really have like a full-time W-2, and I need to learn about this now. I'm like, I thought

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the companies would handle that. Like, I thought this was worry-free. So she was walking me through this, and it was a very harsh reality at a young age for me to go, oh my god, we need to do something about this. We were getting pennies on the dollar for returns on our CDs, on the mountain's 401k, my grandparents' IRA, my mom's IRA. It was appalling to the point where, okay, what do I do about this? Light bulb goes off in my head. I'm like, oh, I'm learning about the stock market and how to invest my capital into Wall Street. And me and my mom, we kind of had an agreement where it's like, all right, I'm gonna lend you $500 of play money and see what you can do with this. I'm like, I'm over here thinking like Charlie Munger, Warren Puffer.

Brian Briscoe

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michael Rebelo

Black Rock and everything.

Brian Briscoe

You're gonna turn that $500 into a million in like three weeks.

Discovering Syndications And Education

Losing Momentum Then Committing Fully

First Deals And Proof Of Concept

Michael Rebelo

Absolutely. That was the mentality I have. And I was Brian, I kid you. I only wasted three years of I life just by thinking of Bloomberg, Yahoo Finance, and DevOps Network, using the ticker symbol, buy sell, buy sell. It wasn't scalable at all. And I was just reaching burn out. And I looked at the amount of money I made and I was like, that's not gonna cut it. Okay, that's not even anywhere near close to what I would think it would be. So we pulled out of that. So we went to the drawing board. We have this notebook, we still have this notebook still. I wish I had it with uh next to me. And we sat down and tried to figure out where we could put our money so it could make money for us so we didn't need to work for it. We thought of everything from single family to fix and flips, short-term rentals, different commodities, energy. We just try to think about these things. But every time we would get across something, it would either be five or six C, so we couldn't get in there because we're not accredited yet. And then just a couple of different factors that didn't make sense. We're like, okay, yeah. But the one thing that we could do was real estate. All sides of the family has done real estate before, but like mainly construction, you know, duplexes, triplexes, and stuff. I'm like, we don't want to be actively managing something. And my mother told me, she's like, we're not doing a townhouse because I'm not leaving this house. I have a beautiful house, I'm not leaving now. I'm like, okay. So then an ad came across our feed called multifamily investing. And something that always lingered in the back of our heads we see these big apartment complexes on the side of the highway, and you know, yeah, of exit 28, and you see them everywhere. Who owns them? And I don't think it's like Vanguard or like um Fidelity or Black Rock for like their investments are institutional investors. They they own some of them, yeah, but oh yeah. Thank god they don't own all of it. But anyway, we started to learn that wait, we could own them now. I don't think this is hot wash, and we both felt the same thing. So we went to a just a free seminar, and we figured out that we could do something called a syndication where you and I, mom, we could pull our money together, we could purchase an apartment complex, syndicate it together, and then bring in more investors, bring in some partners, own it for three to five years, get that piece of the rent and then sell it off for a chunk of money. I was like, we could do that. Okay, we're gonna do it, but we're gonna do that. Yeah. Uh small plug, we went with the multi-family mindset course because that was like one of the first ads that came up. And we just learned through their network and their program and tried to figure out that wow, we could do this. So we tried that for a little bit. Problem is we were still in Massachusetts at the time, so this personal part ties into the business aspect. When I graduated high school, I skipped college so I could do this full-time because I saw the immense value it can create. And I'm like, I can teach this, I can share it to my peers, I can share it to other family members, and maybe we can build financial freedom together. Thing is, we're moving from Massachusetts to Tucson and then graduating and back in the house. We lost so much momentum. And it was to the point where a little over a year ago, we had a conversation of maybe we might shut this down because all we did was learn, but life and conflicts got in the way where we couldn't execute on that learning. We're bringing the income needed. Yeah. So we're like, maybe we should just shut this down because it feels more like a hobby than more than anything. I'm like, no, we're gonna go full born in this because we built this company, we've come this far, and there's a reason why we're doing it, we're gonna fulfill it. So through 2025, we buckled down and we just started to do things like you know, wholesaling. We tried wholesaling for a little bit, like single family homes and stuff like that. Maybe it's a complex to at least get some income in. Yeah. That failed. So we're like, that's it. We're drawing the line, we're going straight to multifamily. We did it, and then around March, April, we joined. Now we're, I think, what is it called? Uh Oxford Point with Michelle and Cindy Harry. We're working with them and their team, and it's 152 units. Like, we did that. We're on that deal. It's like, wow. And then also I was like, okay, what's the next deal? And it was like this high, this thrill of the hunt. Yeah. And then recently we closed on 64 units in Tulsa, Oklahoma, other people that met through other networks. And we realized that this is proof of concept. This could be done. Yeah. Present day, it's like, all right, where's the next deal? What's the next thing? That's where mom and I are at right now. And that's the lineage or genealogy of the story that got me to our aim today.

Brian Briscoe

Awesome. Awesome. Well, let's talk a little bit about these deals. What was your guys' principal role in the deal?

Michael Rebelo

Great questions. The principal role, we actually couldn't figure that out until before this deal, the first deal, which is under 52 units. And I was trying to figure out what did I want to do? Yeah. I want to learn the acquisitions, the capital raising. A lot of people do up front. I agree. It's like, I want to do everything. Yeah. If I could just do this on my own, that'd be great. But what a dumb move. I'm like, oh my God, I'm wasting so much time. But someone came to me and said, listen, you're very active online. You're great with networking. You're a capital raiser. I'm like, I don't know how to raise capital. I want to raise capital. I sound like a beggar. I feel like I'm asking, hey, do you have some money laying around so you can invest with me? Like, no, you're just presenting an opportunity. It took me a while to figure out this mindset shift. But then we were offered to, you know, raise capital on this on Oxford Point, this deal. I looked at my raise for capital, but the best way to learn real estate is to do real estate.

Choosing Roles And Raising Capital

Brian Briscoe

To do it. Yeah. I love that attitude, by the way. I mean, there's a lot of people out there that'll sit and think and plan about it for like four, five, six years and never do anything. And you just jumped in.

Michael Rebelo

Yeah. I just jumped in.

Brian Briscoe

Good. Good for you. Yeah. So let me ask you a couple of questions. You know, because a lot of people are a little bit hesitant to raise capital. What were some of the challenges you guys had, you know, starting to raise capital for someone else's deal?

Michael Rebelo

It's a very strong and legitimate concern and hesitation. Because, you know, you are legit raising capital. You're raising 50,000, 100,000, 500,000, you're raising thousands of thousands of dollars of people's hard-earned money. You better know how to put it correctly and how to manage it.

Brian Briscoe

And for the record, I had similar feelings starting out, and I didn't want to raise capital for the first couple of deals. But yeah, um, so yeah, go back to you back to you now.

The Mindset Shift In Capital Raising

Michael Rebelo

And I was very hesitant because I had this feeling like I'm asking people for my feeling like a beggar. Like, I have some capital left to spare. But I'm like, no, hold on. Like, I'm the one in this business because this is my pain plot. And that's my mother's account tank. So they must have some similar pain points as well. So it was like this mindset shift where I wasn't raising capital, I was raising awareness about these deals where it's like, hey, did you know you could invest in apartment buildings? I'm like, yeah, you can. And it was just to be a steward of capital, steward of investors and great opportunities for people to learn and grow. Yes, personally, but to grow financially outside the traditional playbook. I'm like, I have to talk about this like just mindset blown. I was like, wow. So that's the shift that I had where it's like I wasn't a beggar, I wasn't, you know, your cheap salesman that goes door to door. I'm like, listen, I have an opportunity that you need to invest in because you need more time with your family, or you're getting burned out by a W-2. This can help with that. Give me a call. And that was like it. It was like this mind. So that's that's the hesitation. That's how you comment.

Brian Briscoe

You're so far ahead of where I was. I mean, for me raising for my first deal, and by the way, it was a deal that I found, I underwrote, I put under contract, and I found a couple people to help me, but I felt like I was asking people for money, right? And one of the triggers for me was I talked with somebody who had never understood the syndication before. And, you know, we we get in a call, he's asking a lot of questions, and he's like, Yeah, I want to invest. And then at the end of the call, he thanked me. He's like, Thanks so much. I never knew of this existed. I'm so excited to have learned about this. And that call was one of those little triggers for me where I realized I have something that other people want. And that was my mindset shift between going out and asking people for money and you know, giving them an opportunity that they're gonna want, you know. And so it's true that, you know, you you go out, you teach people about stuff, you raise their awareness about stuff, you make them see something they haven't seen before. And a lot of people are gonna be very, very happy after learning about that to you know, open up their wallets or checkbooks. And, you know, I know people don't physically write checks anymore, but you get the idea. But uh yeah, so glad you had that uh that realization so early on. It took me a long time to get there myself. You started what uh social media campaign, like raising awareness on social media. What did you guys do specifically to be able to find people? Um, did you look at just friends and family? How were you finding the people that invested in your first couple of deals you've done?

Finding Investors Beyond Friends And Family

Michael Rebelo

That's a great question. How did I find investors for that first deal? Was it friends and family? So actually, I tried that. And so when we moved here, you know, we're we're very active, we're very vocal. We love to meet neighbors and you know, we've we stay in touch with friends and family as much as we can. Some of our neighbors were like, hey, yeah, we we want to get into real estate. Okay, and we have been around them long enough that we could actually present them an opportunity. We've gone on tens of hikes, we've I've been out to dinner and everything, we've done social gatherings, so it's like, okay, I know who you are. Like, listen, we're actually raising for this deal. And like, yeah, I want a piece of that because they've always wanted to do it past, we didn't want to do it actively if we had that opportunity. Then we had some other neighbors that are like, we've been burned by some of these opportunities in the past, we're gonna pass. Fair enough. Now I'm gonna go back to them and say, Okay, why walk me through this? Because I want to learn as well. Yeah. Other neighbors were like, you know, our 401k is good, it's nice and steady, we don't need anything else. We're just good to lay back. I'm like, yeah, that's fine. But then what happened was I was in all these networks, and you know, I'm talking to people left and right, and I'm networking as much as possible. I'm like, Well, what about them? What are they up to? So I just started to reach out to these people and everything, and this is when the deal was in file six B. And some people moved, some people didn't, but it really wasn't a lot of friends and family. It was just people in the network, of course, provided SEC regulations, I did have relationships with these people. Yeah. But once the deal transferred over to File 6C, I was talking to people left and right because I realized that I could just go off the hook and just keep talking about this as long as they're recredited. Yeah. And I was speaking on a panel in Scottsdale for a business uh convention. And one of the speakers there was a game show host, and he's great, and he's one of my investors right now. And we were talking, and he was like, You do what now? I'm like, Yeah, mom and I we invest in multifamily apartment complexes. We're usually the partners, and you just sit back and enjoy the returns. And he's like, you know, I have a lot of single-family homes or um rehab homes, and I've always wanted to do something like that, you know, to put money away. He's like, I have no idea how to do that, but I would love to learn from you guys. I'm like, Absolutely. So to kind of summarize this, we went to friends and family, they were fine. Some of them did invest with us, some of them didn't. But then we also went to our network, our business network, and a lot of people started to move because they're like, huh, they already knew the concept, but I guess it was the way that we presented it, and I guess it was the hook that was there, like, you know, you need to invest. It's not a want, this isn't need. You need to put money away. And a lot of people just said, you know, keep me in touch for future opportunities. And that's what we've been doing. Yeah.

Brian Briscoe

So when you tell somebody that they need to invest, what reasons are you using to back that up? What's resonating with the people that you're talking with?

Presenting Opportunities That Fit Needs

Michael Rebelo

Great question. So I'm kind of stealing some concepts from how to win friends and influencer by Dale Carnegie. Yep. And what helped me a lot about these prospects, I guess you could say, was just listening to them. What kind of business do they have? Are they cash heavy? Could be. You had some people that had single family homes and they're like, you know, we're just managing this left and right. I'm like, well, where are you investing? Well, you two are investing back in a single family. I'm like, why don't you have your money work for you? And they're like, Well, what do you mean? Well, you guys do single families, you can do burr methods, fixing flips, but what we do, you see that apartment complex across the street? Yeah. We invest in those. You can possibly. And they're like, We can? Yes, teach me. So we walked them through the pitch deck, and we basically broke it down as simple as we can to say when you invest your money into this deal, this is how it operates, and this is how you get the returns that you deserve. And they're like, that makes sense. How come nobody's talked about this? I'm like, because they don't want you to talk about it. Yeah, because they want to keep it for themselves, that's why. And I'm like, this just makes me nuts. So it's coming from the position of I have to listen to see, okay, is there a need? Because it's sure they if they want to invest, uh, by all means, but what is their need? Because if I can identify the motivation and maybe help them out some way, shape, or form, maybe it's time with their family. I'm gonna help them and tell them, listen, if you want time with your family, you need to invest in this because stop working for the dollar, the dollar should be working for you. So that's kind of where I talk about people needing to invest.

The Law Of The First Deal

Brian Briscoe

Yeah, I I I love it. And uh for people listening, that was gold right there. Absolute gold. I mean, essentially what you're doing is you're making it personal for them. You know, you're absolutely you're basically telling them you're getting to know them, you know what their their triggers are, what they're looking for, and then you reframe this opportunity as how to help them get what they want. That is one of the biggest keys to raising capital, is to be able to frame things in a way to help other people get what they want. You know, and you brought in Dale Carnegie, I'm gonna bring in Zig Ziggler. You know, one of his quotes is you can have anything. I'm I'm paraphrasing, you can get anything you want in this world if you help enough other people get what they want, you know, and so yeah, you know, and so when you when you start looking at applying that to capital raising, you've got to put it in terms that make them see how they are going to benefit. What doesn't work, you know, and I I've tried this before is hey, I want you to invest so that I can make money and I can reach my financial goals. No one's investing if you do that, right? But if you can turn it around and say this is gonna help you get exactly what you want, you know, now now you're you've positioned it into a place that people are gonna listen. So and they're gonna open their checkbooks again. So there we go. Awesome. So what you're talking about, was that mostly your first you said you've done two deals this year. How did you approach the second deal differently, having already raised money for one?

Michael Rebelo

So for those that are listening on as well, Brian, you and I know this, but it's something called the law of the further deal. The first deal is going to be the hardest, especially when it comes to acquiring it, raising it, and then getting people to sign on it and then managing it. It's gonna be the hardest, guaranteed. But then the second deal that we did, it was a lot easier. So again, it was very much the same system where the first deal we did, we had the team reach out to us and say, Hey, uh, would you guys like to raise capital for us? And we're like, sure. Yeah. We knew the team, we loved the team, we love how they operate, and we just dove head first. And we knew exactly how to do it because we remembered the mistakes and the flaws we did on the last deal and the things we learned. On every deal, it's not gonna be perfect, but you're gonna learn something new. And that's what we did is we took you know the things that we learned from the first deal and the mistakes and the license, and we applied it to the next deal, and we actually got a serious amount of traction. The only reason why people didn't budget is either because they were liquid or there's life events or they've already invested in a deal, which is fine. Yeah, I I respect that. If you are investing, I want that. Whether it's in my deal or someone else's deal, I want you to invest. So we went in with more confidence, with more clarity, and I feel like we got a lot more out of this deal because we just took those lessons and mistakes. We didn't mopey dopey about it. We were just like, all right, how do we act on it for the next deal? Because we know the next one's coming right around the corner. And by God's good grace it did. So the next deal or the deal we just closed on was a lot easier than the first one just because of the lessons we learned. Yeah, yeah.

What’s Next And Diversification

Brian Briscoe

And I I love that law of the first deal. I remember it worked with us. I mean, it took me over, you know, probably two years of actively looking to get the first deal closed, and we closed on deal number two three months later. My opinion is is it moves you in other people's heads as well from pretenders to actual players. And those are my words, yeah. But you know, I was having a tough time with brokers because you know, we talk with a broker, and this is this is you know 2018. Right now, brokers are so hungry they'll talk with anybody. Once I closed on my first deal, brokers were calling me. That was the big difference in in my my mindset. On the capital raise side, it was still aspirational on my first deal because a lot of people would ask me, how many times have you done this before? Well, this is my first time. You know, once I was able to show people, hey, we successfully closed on a deal, which is kind of crazy, and I'll explain why in a second. But once we show people we've successfully closed on a deal, you know, now people who passed on deal number one were jumping into deal number two. That was my experience with it anyway. But why do I think that's crazy? Well, closing on the deal is you know just the first step in the investment. If people are going to invest with me because I've closed on a deal, you know, I'll let them all day long. But anyway, that's why I am here. Yeah, right. So there is a difference between somebody who can close and somebody who can't. And I guess from that perspective, it makes sense that you know people, okay, he's actually closed on a deal. Because I guess one of the biggest risks to the investor is what if I give them the money and they run away? You know, I've had people ask me that before. But well, cool, cool, cool. So yeah, 20 years old right now, you've you've been in two syndicates. I guess wrapping up, what's next for you?

Advice, Mentors, And Taking Action

Michael Rebelo

That's a great question. Yeah. So just to give you kind of an insight to my head, but if I were to give you the full lens, I would be here for another six hours. But in all honesty, I think I want to stick with multifamily because one, not just for the uh familiar aspect of it, but also number two, you know, it makes sense. It's it's a proven process, it's a proven method. And yeah, absolutely. Is the market gonna tank every once in a while? Yeah, I mean, look at the stock market and people still invest in the stock market thinking, oh, it's gonna make me, you know, financially free. No, it isn't. You just get more stress. But I think what I'm gonna do next is start to diversify into energies like you know, oil, maybe solar, yeah, then maybe commodities like gold and silver. I have a silver coin and I'm just watching silver just keep going up and up and up and up. Wow. Yeah, it's like insane. And so I'd love to diversify. I love to learn new things. It's like almost like the thrill of the hunt, the adrill. It's like, okay, what's the next investment for me? I love multifamily, I'm gonna stick with it, and then just teaching people along the way, teaching investors, teaching general partners, and then those that want to get into the industry, I'm happy to. I'm an open book. So that's what's next for me.

Brian Briscoe

Yeah, awesome. And just me talking to the listeners here, if you are good at raising capital, you have all of those options. You know, I I've said this multiple times. The the number one most important skill you can have in this industry is raising capital, but it transfers very well to you know everything else, you know, every other investment. So, next question for you, Michael. If you had to give advice to somebody who is just starting out, what would that advice be? Love that question.

Michael Rebelo

So, for someone that's just starting out, follow the operators online that are actually making a difference in the industry. Like, for example, uh, people like me, people like Brian, other big sponsors out there that are actually talking about multifamily day-to-day. Like they're actually in it. They're not just saying, Oh, do you know this is great? And no, they're gonna tell you the truth because they've got a proven track record. They know exactly how the market's gonna tick or if it's gonna tip next year. Just look up multifamily real estate investors, multi-family general partners, multi-family deals online, and just start following people. Join a mentorship program as well. Yeah, go be taught under a mentor, read books, take notes, and we take notes and we learn all of these things and follow these people. Don't just have a notebook about yay hi. Actually take it, run with it, and take action. Because knowledge is nothing without action. So just go do it.

Brian Briscoe

Yeah, just do it. The the the good old Nike philosophy. Just do it. And then uh, you know, other I mean, other things that you said, you know, get a mentor. I'm that was the the hockey stick moment in in my growth, you know. That's like the pivot point for me was getting the mentor on that one, you know, or you know, find the people online, listen to them, follow them. Lots of good advice to unpack there. Last question how can listeners learn more about you?

Michael Rebelo

Love that. So if you want to learn more about me, my company, my social media as well, um, and what's next for me, you can visit us at www.eperforwardcapital partners.com. Do get in touch with us, you can go to our contact page to learn more about us and our deals. Feel free to browse and then just you know, research us or an open book, follow us on social media as well, give us a shout. Awesome.

Brian Briscoe

All right, thanks for coming on the show today. And for everybody listening, you know, the the link that he gave out, you know, we'll have all of that in the show notes. Make sure you check his show notes for information about this as well, but definitely reach out to him if you've got uh any any questions or want to chat. That said, Michael, thanks for coming on the show today. Very much appreciate it. Brian, it was a pleasure. Thank you so much. Hey, I hope you got a lot from today's conversation. Uh if you did, make sure to subscribe so you don't miss future episodes. We're on all major podcast platforms and YouTube as well. Now, if you're already moved from listening to actually doing, check out the Tribot Titans multifamily investing community. That's where investors go deeper with live discussions, real time QA, and practical support around capital raising, finding deals asset management, all of it. You'll find everything you need at theTrivatings.com. That link in the show notes, tap it and it'll be there.