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It's so sensitive,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":42.599999999999994,"endTime":46.5,"body":"in fact that it actually is"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":46.5,"endTime":50.58,"body":"being used as the number one"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":46.5,"endTime":50.58,"body":"test to be able to understand if"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":50.67,"endTime":54.480000000000004,"body":"a biomedical instrument will be"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":50.67,"endTime":54.480000000000004,"body":"able to be implanted in the body"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":54.480000000000004,"endTime":58.709999999999994,"body":"or not. So we actually use a lot"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":54.480000000000004,"endTime":58.709999999999994,"body":"of horseshoe crab blood to test"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":58.739999999999995,"endTime":63.510000000000005,"body":"for contaminants. Annually, we"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":58.739999999999995,"endTime":63.510000000000005,"body":"bleed about 600,000 horseshoe"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":63.510000000000005,"endTime":67.65,"body":"crabs simply to just use their"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":63.510000000000005,"endTime":67.65,"body":"blood to test for contaminants."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":68.01,"endTime":70.83,"body":"And this along with the industry"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":68.01,"endTime":70.83,"body":"of actually catching horseshoe"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":70.83,"endTime":74.61,"body":"crabs to use them as bait to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":70.83,"endTime":74.61,"body":"catch other fish has led to a"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":74.61,"endTime":77.46,"body":"big decrease in the population"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":74.61,"endTime":77.46,"body":"of horseshoe crabs along the"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":77.46,"endTime":81.03,"body":"eastern seaboard of the United"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":77.46,"endTime":81.03,"body":"States, which has led to a huge"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":81.06,"endTime":84.53999999999999,"body":"decrease in a lot of other"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":81.06,"endTime":84.53999999999999,"body":"species, as this is a keystone"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":84.53999999999999,"endTime":87.86999999999999,"body":"species that supports the life"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":84.53999999999999,"endTime":87.86999999999999,"body":"of basically the entire"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":87.86999999999999,"endTime":91.83,"body":"ecosystem. So today, we're"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":87.86999999999999,"endTime":91.83,"body":"talking with Dr. Larry Niles,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":91.83,"endTime":95.19,"body":"from the horseshoe crab recovery"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":91.83,"endTime":95.19,"body":"coalition. We'll be learning all"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":95.19,"endTime":98.94,"body":"about the sustainability of this"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":95.19,"endTime":98.94,"body":"industry, the ecosystem effects"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":98.94,"endTime":102.72,"body":"and why we should actually care"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":98.94,"endTime":102.72,"body":"and also about the synthetic"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":102.72,"endTime":106.28999999999999,"body":"alternative that we aren't using"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":102.72,"endTime":106.28999999999999,"body":"right now. I mean, it's crazy."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":106.28999999999999,"endTime":109.41,"body":"We're still bleeding crabs so"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":106.28999999999999,"endTime":109.41,"body":"that we can test medical"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":109.41,"endTime":114.63,"body":"devices. How is this affecting"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":109.41,"endTime":114.63,"body":"so sit back relax and get ready"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":114.63,"endTime":128.58,"body":"to learn a little bit about"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":114.63,"endTime":128.58,"body":"horseshoe crabs? That sir G."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":130.53,"endTime":157.53,"body":"nippy oh me No, in zero to marry"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":130.53,"endTime":157.53,"body":"a child why water we doing? And"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":157.53,"endTime":163.62,"body":"how can we do better? Your one"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":157.53,"endTime":163.62,"body":"stop shop for everything water"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":163.62,"endTime":168.0,"body":"related from discussing water"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":163.62,"endTime":168.0,"body":"its use and the organisms that"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":168.0,"endTime":172.74,"body":"depend on it for all the global"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":168.0,"endTime":172.74,"body":"issues that you really never"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":172.74,"endTime":177.39,"body":"knew all had to do with water."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":172.74,"endTime":177.39,"body":"I'm your host, David Evans from"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":177.39,"endTime":180.57,"body":"the aquatic biosphere project."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":177.39,"endTime":180.57,"body":"And I just want to ask you"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":180.57,"endTime":185.01,"body":"something. What are we doing?"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":180.57,"endTime":185.01,"body":"How can we do better?"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":195.75,"endTime":198.81,"body":"Hi there and welcome to another"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":195.75,"endTime":198.81,"body":"deep dive episode of the water"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":198.81,"endTime":202.76999999999998,"body":"we doing Podcast. Today. I'm"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":198.81,"endTime":202.76999999999998,"body":"speaking with Dr. Larry Niles,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":202.79999999999998,"endTime":206.82,"body":"from the horseshoe crab recovery"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":202.79999999999998,"endTime":206.82,"body":"coalition. So Larry, do you mind"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":206.82,"endTime":210.32999999999998,"body":"just introducing yourself giving"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":206.82,"endTime":210.32999999999998,"body":"our listeners a little bit about"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":210.42,"endTime":212.91,"body":"yourself and the horseshoe crab"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":210.42,"endTime":212.91,"body":"recovery coalition."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":213.42,"endTime":217.01999999999998,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":213.42,"endTime":217.01999999999998,"body":"I am a partner in a small group"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":217.01999999999998,"endTime":221.49,"body":"called Wildlife Restoration"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":217.01999999999998,"endTime":221.49,"body":"partnerships that focuses on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":221.51999999999998,"endTime":225.29999999999998,"body":"research and primarily on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":221.51999999999998,"endTime":225.29999999999998,"body":"shorebirds, particularly the red"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":225.29999999999998,"endTime":230.19,"body":"dot and horseshoe crab. 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And we've done work in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":248.64,"endTime":253.26,"body":"Mangan islands in Quebec. But we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":248.64,"endTime":253.26,"body":"also do work all the way south."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":253.26,"endTime":256.89,"body":"We've done work and turned off"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":253.26,"endTime":256.89,"body":"way ago, Chile and we have a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":256.89,"endTime":261.51,"body":"project now and go into Pash"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":256.89,"endTime":261.51,"body":"Brazil. 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But then"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":381.36,"endTime":385.92,"body":"we quickly realized that there's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":381.36,"endTime":385.92,"body":"network of people that already"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":385.92,"endTime":390.27,"body":"exist, they care about crabs, in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":385.92,"endTime":390.27,"body":"all the places where they now"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":390.36,"endTime":396.63,"body":"breed. So very small populations"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":390.36,"endTime":396.63,"body":"that go from Florida to almost"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":396.63,"endTime":400.35,"body":"domaine, but see all of those"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":396.63,"endTime":400.35,"body":"populations have suffered the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":400.35,"endTime":404.73,"body":"same threat that Delaware Bay is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":400.35,"endTime":404.73,"body":"threatened by which is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":404.90999999999997,"endTime":410.28,"body":"overharvest for bait fishers"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":404.90999999999997,"endTime":410.28,"body":"will use crabs for bait to catch"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":410.31,"endTime":415.23,"body":"bait fish, they use bait to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":410.31,"endTime":415.23,"body":"catch bait. The main problem is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":415.26,"endTime":422.28,"body":"the crabs are also bled for the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":415.26,"endTime":422.28,"body":"biochemical lysate. And that is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":422.28,"endTime":426.75,"body":"an unregulated industry that is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":422.28,"endTime":426.75,"body":"just creating havoc and all the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":426.75,"endTime":432.33,"body":"small populations along the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":426.75,"endTime":432.33,"body":"coast. So our strategy here is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":432.33,"endTime":437.19,"body":"to try to work with groups all"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":432.33,"endTime":437.19,"body":"along the coast sort of bind us"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":437.19,"endTime":442.77,"body":"together with this common thread"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":437.19,"endTime":442.77,"body":"and try to rebuild population to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":442.77,"endTime":447.0,"body":"the Delaware Bay level, but all"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":442.77,"endTime":447.0,"body":"along the coast. So essentially,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":447.0,"endTime":452.49,"body":"we want to reestablish this"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":447.0,"endTime":452.49,"body":"historic resource for shorebirds"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":452.49,"endTime":455.73,"body":"that once existed, but now is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":452.49,"endTime":455.73,"body":"lost because all these"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":455.73,"endTime":457.32,"body":"populations are over harvest."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":457.35,"endTime":462.63,"body":"That is Yeah,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":457.35,"endTime":462.63,"body":"that's a it just strikes me as"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":462.65999999999997,"endTime":465.99,"body":"thinking of these horseshoe"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":462.65999999999997,"endTime":465.99,"body":"crabs almost as the only"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":465.99,"endTime":470.4,"body":"truckstop along the way between"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":465.99,"endTime":470.4,"body":"Chile and the Arctic and the the"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":470.4,"endTime":476.58,"body":"main refueling station. And"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":470.4,"endTime":476.58,"body":"yeah, it's it's it's a super,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":476.58,"endTime":483.45,"body":"it's really interesting. So"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":476.58,"endTime":483.45,"body":"myself on now is quite young. I"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":483.45,"endTime":487.77,"body":"have fond memories of being down"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":483.45,"endTime":487.77,"body":"in Florida visiting family and"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":487.77,"endTime":491.52,"body":"finding horseshoe crabs that had"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":487.77,"endTime":491.52,"body":"washed up on the beach, and just"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":491.52,"endTime":495.03,"body":"thinking they were the absolute"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":491.52,"endTime":495.03,"body":"strangest things I've ever seen."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":495.33,"endTime":499.86,"body":"So do you mind just for those"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":495.33,"endTime":499.86,"body":"who may not be familiar with a"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":499.86,"endTime":504.36,"body":"horseshoe crab? Could you just"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":499.86,"endTime":504.36,"body":"describe them, and what they"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":504.36,"endTime":506.85,"body":"look like and where they can be"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":504.36,"endTime":506.85,"body":"found?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":507.27,"endTime":510.45,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":507.27,"endTime":510.45,"body":"First of all, they're 425"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":510.45,"endTime":515.07,"body":"million year old species. So"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":510.45,"endTime":515.07,"body":"they've been around the block"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":515.07,"endTime":521.0400000000001,"body":"and they look like it. The goal"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":515.07,"endTime":521.0400000000001,"body":"here isn't to save the crabs"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":521.0400000000001,"endTime":524.52,"body":"because you know, they're going"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":521.0400000000001,"endTime":524.52,"body":"to be here long after humans are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":524.52,"endTime":528.78,"body":"lost. So the goal is to try to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":524.52,"endTime":528.78,"body":"build up the populations to make"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":528.78,"endTime":533.61,"body":"them more robust. So the crabs"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":528.78,"endTime":533.61,"body":"are, you know, roughly about"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":533.64,"endTime":539.07,"body":"dish size, the males are smaller"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":533.64,"endTime":539.07,"body":"females could get to the size of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":539.07,"endTime":544.32,"body":"a baseball home plate. The males"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":539.07,"endTime":544.32,"body":"could also get fairly large, but"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":544.32,"endTime":548.85,"body":"they're that size differences"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":544.32,"endTime":548.85,"body":"consistent throughout the whole"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":549.12,"endTime":554.82,"body":"range. They vary in size as you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":549.12,"endTime":554.82,"body":"go north. The populations are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":554.82,"endTime":558.78,"body":"more or less genetically"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":554.82,"endTime":558.78,"body":"defined, but there's a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":558.78,"endTime":562.38,"body":"overlap. So it's hard to say you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":558.78,"endTime":562.38,"body":"know, this crab is from Delaware"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":562.38,"endTime":566.55,"body":"Bay or that crab is from"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":562.38,"endTime":566.55,"body":"somewhere else. They typically"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":566.64,"endTime":572.37,"body":"need a sandy substrate to dig"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":566.64,"endTime":572.37,"body":"their eggs which is about six"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":572.37,"endTime":577.14,"body":"inches down. But they've also"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":572.37,"endTime":577.14,"body":"laid eggs in Shell rakes like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":577.26,"endTime":582.78,"body":"you know, oyster piles of oyster"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":577.26,"endTime":582.78,"body":"shells and they also nest in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":582.81,"endTime":587.85,"body":"Marsh marks. The difference is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":582.81,"endTime":587.85,"body":"the productivity like the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":588.12,"endTime":594.18,"body":"productivity of a nest of eggs"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":588.12,"endTime":594.18,"body":"laid in Marsh mark is very low"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":594.18,"endTime":600.15,"body":"because the decomposing marks"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":594.18,"endTime":600.15,"body":"give off sulfurous you know air"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":600.15,"endTime":605.1899999999999,"body":"that kills the eggs, so you get"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":600.15,"endTime":605.1899999999999,"body":"very low survival in the shell"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":605.1899999999999,"endTime":609.12,"body":"rakes. The survival is probably"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":605.1899999999999,"endTime":609.12,"body":"good but they have difficulty"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":609.12,"endTime":613.95,"body":"digging into the brakes. So"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":609.12,"endTime":613.95,"body":"sandy beaches are the best"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":613.95,"endTime":618.81,"body":"habitat. We've done a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":613.95,"endTime":618.81,"body":"work constructing beaches for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":618.84,"endTime":624.39,"body":"horseshoe crabs spawning and for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":618.84,"endTime":624.39,"body":"people and the best beaches are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":624.39,"endTime":628.4399999999999,"body":"about two feet deep of sand so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":624.39,"endTime":628.4399999999999,"body":"that there's lots of room for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":628.4399999999999,"endTime":633.75,"body":"them to dig but also, there's a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":628.4399999999999,"endTime":633.75,"body":"substantial area, buffering them"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":633.75,"endTime":638.82,"body":"from whatever underlies the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":633.75,"endTime":638.82,"body":"sand, in most places, Muck"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":639.21,"endTime":642.93,"body":"underlies sand. So, you know,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":639.21,"endTime":642.93,"body":"you got to worry about those"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":643.23,"endTime":647.85,"body":"hydrogen sulfide gases, so they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":643.23,"endTime":647.85,"body":"don't use it and they need low"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":647.88,"endTime":653.07,"body":"energy. You don't usually see"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":647.88,"endTime":653.07,"body":"crabs spawning on Atlantic coast"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":653.07,"endTime":657.39,"body":"beaches because there's too much"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":653.07,"endTime":657.39,"body":"wave action. But like it inlets,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":657.42,"endTime":661.77,"body":"you know, you have a sandy spit."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":657.42,"endTime":661.77,"body":"And then behind that Tandy spit"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":661.77,"endTime":667.5,"body":"is really the typical habitat"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":661.77,"endTime":667.5,"body":"all along the east coast. But"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":667.5,"endTime":671.9399999999999,"body":"there are special places like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":667.5,"endTime":671.9399999999999,"body":"Delaware Bay, Chincoteague Bay,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":672.0,"endTime":676.95,"body":"Jamaica Bay in New York, where"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":672.0,"endTime":676.95,"body":"the bays themselves are low"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":676.95,"endTime":680.49,"body":"energy, but they're still"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":676.95,"endTime":680.49,"body":"saline, and they have sandy"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":680.49,"endTime":684.39,"body":"beaches. So then that's the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":680.49,"endTime":684.39,"body":"place is where you get millions"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":684.42,"endTime":689.73,"body":"of crabs coming ashore. These"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":684.42,"endTime":689.73,"body":"events are, you know, like you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":689.73,"endTime":694.08,"body":"see in around the world where"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":689.73,"endTime":694.08,"body":"you have these terrific spawning"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":694.08,"endTime":699.03,"body":"events, salmon dying in streams"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":694.08,"endTime":699.03,"body":"or grunion on the Atlantic on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":699.03,"endTime":703.92,"body":"the Pacific coast. In this case,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":699.03,"endTime":703.92,"body":"this sort of marquee use is the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":703.92,"endTime":708.51,"body":"shorebirds. But in every place"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":703.92,"endTime":708.51,"body":"where these eggs are allowed to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":708.51,"endTime":713.04,"body":"build up to densities that we're"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":708.51,"endTime":713.04,"body":"talking about, mostly eggs are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":713.04,"endTime":717.6,"body":"going to the marine fish and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":713.04,"endTime":717.6,"body":"crabs. In Delaware Bay, for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":717.6,"endTime":722.49,"body":"example, before they overall"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":717.6,"endTime":722.49,"body":"harvested the crabs down to the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":722.49,"endTime":727.4399999999999,"body":"level that they are now we used"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":722.49,"endTime":727.4399999999999,"body":"to have a vibrant sport fishery"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":727.4399999999999,"endTime":731.34,"body":"like weak fish, there used to be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":727.4399999999999,"endTime":731.34,"body":"somewhere in the area of two to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":731.34,"endTime":736.17,"body":"3 million pounds a year were"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":731.34,"endTime":736.17,"body":"harvested either by sport"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":736.17,"endTime":740.16,"body":"fishers or by commercial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":736.17,"endTime":740.16,"body":"fisheries. Now it's down to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":740.16,"endTime":745.89,"body":"44,000 pounds, because the loss"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":740.16,"endTime":745.89,"body":"of the crabs and the loss of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":745.89,"endTime":750.18,"body":"eggs and the loss of the young"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":745.89,"endTime":750.18,"body":"that hatch from those eggs, pull"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":750.18,"endTime":754.41,"body":"the rug out from a lot of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":750.18,"endTime":754.41,"body":"forage fish that the sport fish"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":754.41,"endTime":758.43,"body":"are eating, because all those"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":754.41,"endTime":758.43,"body":"species are also breeding. And"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":758.43,"endTime":762.54,"body":"so they're making use of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":758.43,"endTime":762.54,"body":"horseshoe crab eggs. And so in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":762.54,"endTime":765.87,"body":"other words, when I'm trying to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":762.54,"endTime":765.87,"body":"say is that the horseshoe crabs"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":766.23,"endTime":772.32,"body":"represent a productive layer of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":766.23,"endTime":772.32,"body":"almost all estuaries on the East"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":772.32,"endTime":777.81,"body":"Coast. And so fishers are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":772.32,"endTime":777.81,"body":"defeating their own purpose by"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":778.29,"endTime":782.1,"body":"catching them for something is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":778.29,"endTime":782.1,"body":"insignificant is bait."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":783.96,"endTime":786.45,"body":"Yeah, they're,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":783.96,"endTime":786.45,"body":"they're really undermining their"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":786.45,"endTime":792.33,"body":"entire purpose with it sounds to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":786.45,"endTime":792.33,"body":"me like you're describing a"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":792.33,"endTime":796.71,"body":"keystone species that without"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":792.33,"endTime":796.71,"body":"them being at that level, that"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":796.71,"endTime":798.42,"body":"the entire ecosystem changes."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":798.629,"endTime":800.519,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":798.629,"endTime":800.519,"body":"right. That's exactly the right"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":800.519,"endTime":801.059,"body":"term."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":802.14,"endTime":805.77,"body":"Yeah, that's,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":802.14,"endTime":805.77,"body":"that's really interesting. And"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":805.77,"endTime":810.45,"body":"just thinking about that"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":805.77,"endTime":810.45,"body":"exchange of energy from ocean to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":811.05,"endTime":815.13,"body":"upland systems, and especially"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":811.05,"endTime":815.13,"body":"with birds that are migrating"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":815.76,"endTime":821.13,"body":"across continents, and in"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":815.76,"endTime":821.13,"body":"changing how those those energy"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":821.13,"endTime":826.92,"body":"cycles work with providing food"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":821.13,"endTime":826.92,"body":"to them. That's yeah, there's a"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":826.92,"endTime":829.5,"body":"lot there's a lot to go on here."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":826.92,"endTime":829.5,"body":"I'm glad we're talking."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":830.88,"endTime":832.41,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":830.88,"endTime":832.41,"body":"see that shapes that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":832.41,"endTime":835.77,"body":"coalition's, too when we first"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":832.41,"endTime":835.77,"body":"started out, we thought, you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":835.77,"endTime":839.16,"body":"know, we bind together the usual"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":835.77,"endTime":839.16,"body":"players, you know, conservation"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":839.16,"endTime":844.11,"body":"group, and we did like National"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":839.16,"endTime":844.11,"body":"Wildlife Federation, National"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":844.11,"endTime":847.53,"body":"Audubon defenders for wildlife,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":844.11,"endTime":847.53,"body":"they're all part of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":847.53,"endTime":851.73,"body":"coalition. But see, because"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":847.53,"endTime":851.73,"body":"we're talking about a valuable"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":851.73,"endTime":855.81,"body":"biochemical. You know, soon"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":851.73,"endTime":855.81,"body":"we'll talk about eventually, it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":855.81,"endTime":859.68,"body":"also brings in Eli Lilly, the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":855.81,"endTime":859.68,"body":"drug company, as part of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":859.74,"endTime":863.97,"body":"coalition. And Physicians"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":859.74,"endTime":863.97,"body":"Committee for Responsible"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":863.97,"endTime":867.24,"body":"Medicine is part of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":863.97,"endTime":867.24,"body":"coalition. But we also have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":867.24,"endTime":871.89,"body":"groups like Manhattan defenders,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":867.24,"endTime":871.89,"body":"and sport fishing guides"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":871.89,"endTime":876.3,"body":"association. So you know, what"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":871.89,"endTime":876.3,"body":"we're doing is binding together"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":876.57,"endTime":881.01,"body":"a coalition that sort of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":876.57,"endTime":881.01,"body":"addresses this very difficult"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":881.04,"endTime":885.39,"body":"conservation problem. It's one"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":881.04,"endTime":885.39,"body":"that plagues every natural"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":885.39,"endTime":890.13,"body":"resource right now, whether it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":885.39,"endTime":890.13,"body":"forestry or agriculture industry"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":890.16,"endTime":894.75,"body":"is consuming, not just the sort"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":890.16,"endTime":894.75,"body":"of top level product of a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":894.75,"endTime":898.65,"body":"system, they're commodifying"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":894.75,"endTime":898.65,"body":"every layer of that system. So"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":898.65,"endTime":902.31,"body":"that right, basically removing"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":898.65,"endTime":902.31,"body":"all the productivity from"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":902.34,"endTime":907.65,"body":"ecosystems. And, you know, our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":902.34,"endTime":907.65,"body":"whole climate change initiative"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":908.25,"endTime":911.1899999999999,"body":"depends on functioning"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":908.25,"endTime":911.1899999999999,"body":"ecosystems. So it's an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":911.1899999999999,"endTime":915.42,"body":"interesting problem, as you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":911.1899999999999,"endTime":915.42,"body":"know, I'm sure you see, but it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":915.42,"endTime":919.32,"body":"also an interesting solution."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":915.42,"endTime":919.32,"body":"You can't rely on the normal"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":919.38,"endTime":922.83,"body":"method, a bunch of conservation"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":919.38,"endTime":922.83,"body":"groups get together and say this"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":922.83,"endTime":927.06,"body":"is what it should be. This is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":922.83,"endTime":927.06,"body":"more like, let's all work"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":927.06,"endTime":930.09,"body":"together to try to figure out"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":927.06,"endTime":930.09,"body":"how we can solve this."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":930.87,"endTime":934.41,"body":"It almost sounds"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":930.87,"endTime":934.41,"body":"like a joke of a bird biologist,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":934.53,"endTime":937.65,"body":"a sports Fisher and"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":934.53,"endTime":937.65,"body":"pharmaceutical representative"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":937.65,"endTime":942.87,"body":"walk into a bar or something"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":937.65,"endTime":942.87,"body":"like that. It's just it seems"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":942.87,"endTime":947.73,"body":"like a weird, weird group of"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":942.87,"endTime":947.73,"body":"people that work together. So I"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":947.73,"endTime":951.33,"body":"guess on that note, you already"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":947.73,"endTime":951.33,"body":"mentioned lysates, and of"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":951.33,"endTime":954.57,"body":"horseshoe crabs being harvested"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":951.33,"endTime":954.57,"body":"for the biomedical field, can"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":954.57,"endTime":958.08,"body":"you just give a bit of an intro"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":954.57,"endTime":958.08,"body":"to that and how that started and"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":958.08,"endTime":959.67,"body":"where we are with that today?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":959.7,"endTime":963.87,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":959.7,"endTime":963.87,"body":"so every medical product drugs,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":963.87,"endTime":968.37,"body":"hip implants, pacemakers,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":963.87,"endTime":968.37,"body":"whatever are tested with a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":968.37,"endTime":972.39,"body":"biochemical from horseshoe crab"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":968.37,"endTime":972.39,"body":"blood called lysate. So what it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":972.39,"endTime":977.04,"body":"does is the drug companies have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":972.39,"endTime":977.04,"body":"created a testing assay that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":977.04,"endTime":981.3,"body":"allows them to determine if"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":977.04,"endTime":981.3,"body":"there's any contaminant in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":981.3,"endTime":985.32,"body":"components, like they test water"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":981.3,"endTime":985.32,"body":"and all the various components"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":985.32,"endTime":989.52,"body":"of drugs, and then they test"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":985.32,"endTime":989.52,"body":"them in their final development,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":989.55,"endTime":992.1899999999999,"body":"so that the public can be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":989.55,"endTime":992.1899999999999,"body":"assured that there's no"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":992.1899999999999,"endTime":997.47,"body":"contamination in these drugs or"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":992.1899999999999,"endTime":997.47,"body":"in, you know, whatever device"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":997.47,"endTime":1001.31,"body":"going into your body. And see,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":997.47,"endTime":1001.31,"body":"this is a great improvement,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1001.31,"endTime":1006.83,"body":"because previously, they used"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1001.31,"endTime":1006.83,"body":"rabbits to test. And so that's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1006.83,"endTime":1013.01,"body":"cruel, obviously cruel. And so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1006.83,"endTime":1013.01,"body":"this is innovation for sure. The"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1013.1,"endTime":1017.63,"body":"problem now is that the people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1013.1,"endTime":1017.63,"body":"who are doing the bleeding,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1017.63,"endTime":1021.4399999999999,"body":"which are not the the giant"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1017.63,"endTime":1021.4399999999999,"body":"pharmaceutical companies, there"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1021.4399999999999,"endTime":1026.66,"body":"are multinational companies that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1021.4399999999999,"endTime":1026.66,"body":"are segments of multinational"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1026.66,"endTime":1031.04,"body":"companies that are basically"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1026.66,"endTime":1031.04,"body":"just after profit. And, you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1031.04,"endTime":1034.76,"body":"know, they're working with the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1031.04,"endTime":1034.76,"body":"agencies, who are really just"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1034.76,"endTime":1039.0800000000002,"body":"concerned about creating bait"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1034.76,"endTime":1039.0800000000002,"body":"for industry. So, you know,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1039.0800000000002,"endTime":1043.7600000000002,"body":"these two groups are sort of,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1039.0800000000002,"endTime":1043.7600000000002,"body":"you know, in the same pocket,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1044.18,"endTime":1048.23,"body":"and the bleeding of the crabs,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1044.18,"endTime":1048.23,"body":"they bleed them for eight"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1048.23,"endTime":1053.0600000000002,"body":"minutes. So they put them up on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1048.23,"endTime":1053.0600000000002,"body":"a spike into the heart, and they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1053.15,"endTime":1056.66,"body":"bleed them as much as they'll"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1053.15,"endTime":1056.66,"body":"bleed for eight minutes."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1057.2,"endTime":1063.8300000000002,"body":"Killing, they say 15%, peer"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1057.2,"endTime":1063.8300000000002,"body":"reviewed replications of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1063.8300000000002,"endTime":1069.14,"body":"bleeding process, say 30%. But"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1063.8300000000002,"endTime":1069.14,"body":"it could be more because an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1069.14,"endTime":1073.3100000000002,"body":"eight minute bleed affects"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1069.14,"endTime":1073.3100000000002,"body":"bigger crabs than smaller"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1073.3100000000002,"endTime":1076.94,"body":"cracks. 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And nobody's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1086.3300000000002,"endTime":1092.18,"body":"tracking how many die after they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1086.3300000000002,"endTime":1092.18,"body":"leave. And from an outside view,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1092.18,"endTime":1096.3500000000001,"body":"I should say, at least 30% are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1092.18,"endTime":1096.3500000000001,"body":"dying in the process of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1096.3500000000001,"endTime":1099.2600000000002,"body":"bleeding. And then they're dying"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1096.3500000000001,"endTime":1099.2600000000002,"body":"when they're being caught"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1099.2600000000002,"endTime":1102.2600000000002,"body":"because they're catching"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1099.2600000000002,"endTime":1102.2600000000002,"body":"withdrawals. And you know, so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1102.2600000000002,"endTime":1106.3100000000002,"body":"that's a very brutal process"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1102.2600000000002,"endTime":1106.3100000000002,"body":"that leaves a lot of animals. So"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1106.3400000000001,"endTime":1111.5300000000002,"body":"what's the total cost of this?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1106.3400000000001,"endTime":1111.5300000000002,"body":"We don't, it would be good if it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1111.5300000000002,"endTime":1115.88,"body":"was regulated in such a way that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1111.5300000000002,"endTime":1115.88,"body":"we could examine what they're"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1115.88,"endTime":1120.68,"body":"doing. But sort of arcane rules"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1115.88,"endTime":1120.68,"body":"of marine fisheries in the US,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1120.92,"endTime":1125.21,"body":"allows this company to hide all"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1120.92,"endTime":1125.21,"body":"their data. So nobody can see"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1125.21,"endTime":1128.8700000000001,"body":"what's actually happening. We"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1125.21,"endTime":1128.8700000000001,"body":"just had to take their word for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1128.8700000000001,"endTime":1132.2900000000002,"body":"it. And these are multinational"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1128.8700000000001,"endTime":1132.2900000000002,"body":"companies, I don't know how many"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1132.2900000000002,"endTime":1135.0200000000002,"body":"multinational companies you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1132.2900000000002,"endTime":1135.0200000000002,"body":"would take your"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1138.8300000000002,"endTime":1144.38,"body":"and see the other problem is, is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1138.8300000000002,"endTime":1144.38,"body":"actually an opportunity. And a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1144.38,"endTime":1148.8200000000002,"body":"synthetic now exists. So we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1144.38,"endTime":1148.8200000000002,"body":"could go to the third stage here"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1148.8200000000002,"endTime":1153.47,"body":"started out rabbits, and it went"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1148.8200000000002,"endTime":1153.47,"body":"to animal another animal but"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1153.5,"endTime":1157.67,"body":"less brutal than the previous"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1153.5,"endTime":1157.67,"body":"method. But now we could go to a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1157.67,"endTime":1162.14,"body":"synthetic. And that synthetic"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1157.67,"endTime":1162.14,"body":"was actually developed like over"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1162.14,"endTime":1167.15,"body":"10 years ago by a scientist in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1162.14,"endTime":1167.15,"body":"Japan. And then one of the drug"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1167.15,"endTime":1169.97,"body":"companies, one of the bleeding"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1167.15,"endTime":1169.97,"body":"companies bought the patent did"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1169.97,"endTime":1174.0200000000002,"body":"nothing, so essentially kept it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1169.97,"endTime":1174.0200000000002,"body":"out of the market. The patent"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1174.0200000000002,"endTime":1178.91,"body":"expired several years ago. And"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1174.0200000000002,"endTime":1178.91,"body":"so since then, drug companies"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1178.91,"endTime":1183.74,"body":"like Eli Lilly, have already"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1178.91,"endTime":1183.74,"body":"used the synthetic for both"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1183.8000000000002,"endTime":1188.39,"body":"their product development and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1183.8000000000002,"endTime":1188.39,"body":"for final product testing drug"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1188.39,"endTime":1194.2700000000002,"body":"company, Pfizer just did a head"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1188.39,"endTime":1194.2700000000002,"body":"to head test between the LAL and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1194.2700000000002,"endTime":1199.16,"body":"the synthetic and found no"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1194.2700000000002,"endTime":1199.16,"body":"differences. But all the other"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1199.19,"endTime":1203.0900000000001,"body":"leading companies have synthetic"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1199.19,"endTime":1203.0900000000001,"body":"alternatives. One company that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1203.0900000000001,"endTime":1207.23,"body":"does most of the bleeding,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1203.0900000000001,"endTime":1207.23,"body":"Charles River associates, it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1207.23,"endTime":1211.0400000000002,"body":"currently doesn't have synthetic"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1207.23,"endTime":1211.0400000000002,"body":"alternatives developed. So they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1211.0400000000002,"endTime":1216.17,"body":"challenged the efficacy of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1211.0400000000002,"endTime":1216.17,"body":"synthetic and published the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1216.17,"endTime":1220.73,"body":"paper that said that they were"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1216.17,"endTime":1220.73,"body":"not equivalent. They did a test."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1221.15,"endTime":1226.0400000000002,"body":"But groups within our coalition"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1221.15,"endTime":1226.0400000000002,"body":"like Physicians for Responsible"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1226.0400000000002,"endTime":1230.63,"body":"Medicine and another group"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1226.0400000000002,"endTime":1230.63,"body":"revive and restore. And the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1230.63,"endTime":1234.71,"body":"companies that are involved"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1230.63,"endTime":1234.71,"body":"biome Are you is a company in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1234.71,"endTime":1239.0600000000002,"body":"our coalition along with Eli"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1234.71,"endTime":1239.0600000000002,"body":"Lilly, it basically went to work"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1239.24,"endTime":1244.88,"body":"and found that the company"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1239.24,"endTime":1244.88,"body":"Charles River had sort of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1244.94,"endTime":1249.65,"body":"deliberately manipulated by"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1244.94,"endTime":1249.65,"body":"starting with something called"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1249.65,"endTime":1255.71,"body":"Dirty water, which is water that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1249.65,"endTime":1255.71,"body":"is not purified before it goes"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1255.71,"endTime":1260.2700000000002,"body":"into product development. And so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1255.71,"endTime":1260.2700000000002,"body":"this 30 Water includes a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1260.2700000000002,"endTime":1265.64,"body":"contaminant that they knew the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1260.2700000000002,"endTime":1265.64,"body":"synthetic wouldn't detect. But"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1265.67,"endTime":1270.0500000000002,"body":"no drug company uses 30 water."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1265.67,"endTime":1270.0500000000002,"body":"So it was a sort of artificial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1270.0500000000002,"endTime":1277.0700000000002,"body":"restriction that led the FDA and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1270.0500000000002,"endTime":1277.0700000000002,"body":"the US Pharmacopoeia to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1277.1000000000001,"endTime":1281.45,"body":"essentially reverse their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1277.1000000000001,"endTime":1281.45,"body":"earlier positions that they were"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1281.45,"endTime":1286.6100000000001,"body":"going to include the synthetic"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1281.45,"endTime":1286.6100000000001,"body":"and existing chapter that would"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1286.6100000000001,"endTime":1292.43,"body":"allow the companies to just use"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1286.6100000000001,"endTime":1292.43,"body":"Lal or RFC, depending on what"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1292.43,"endTime":1295.94,"body":"they wanted. All of a sudden,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1292.43,"endTime":1295.94,"body":"they said that we required a new"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1295.94,"endTime":1300.68,"body":"chapter, which would require all"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1295.94,"endTime":1300.68,"body":"the companies to do testing. 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And because"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1319.2800000000002,"endTime":1323.39,"body":"of the influence of the drug"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1319.2800000000002,"endTime":1323.39,"body":"companies and our influence,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1323.39,"endTime":1328.3100000000002,"body":"because the other side of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1323.39,"endTime":1328.3100000000002,"body":"equation here is that the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1328.3400000000001,"endTime":1332.96,"body":"pharmaceutical companies have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1328.3400000000001,"endTime":1332.96,"body":"committed to not using animal"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1332.99,"endTime":1338.15,"body":"testing, if they don't have to."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1332.99,"endTime":1338.15,"body":"And so this is pitting them"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1338.39,"endTime":1342.2600000000002,"body":"against that ideal. 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To"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1729.89,"endTime":1733.0700000000002,"body":"protect endangered species, you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1729.89,"endTime":1733.0700000000002,"body":"need to have functioning"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1733.0700000000002,"endTime":1737.96,"body":"ecosystems, and you can't just"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1733.0700000000002,"endTime":1737.96,"body":"protect a species, independent"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1737.96,"endTime":1741.89,"body":"of all of the world that it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1737.96,"endTime":1741.89,"body":"lives within. You know, the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1741.89,"endTime":1746.39,"body":"precautionary tale here, I think"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1741.89,"endTime":1746.39,"body":"overall, is we need the systems"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1746.42,"endTime":1750.1100000000001,"body":"we need it for danger species,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1746.42,"endTime":1750.1100000000001,"body":"we need it for, you know, our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1750.1100000000001,"endTime":1754.22,"body":"own edification for our own"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1750.1100000000001,"endTime":1754.22,"body":"health. But it used to be the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1754.22,"endTime":1757.46,"body":"argument was take away a block,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1754.22,"endTime":1757.46,"body":"you take away this block,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1757.67,"endTime":1761.5700000000002,"body":"eventually systems will fail."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1757.67,"endTime":1761.5700000000002,"body":"I'm here to say the systems are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1761.5700000000002,"endTime":1765.68,"body":"have already failed. Now we need"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1761.5700000000002,"endTime":1765.68,"body":"to start rebuilding them. And"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1765.68,"endTime":1770.0,"body":"the way to do that is restore"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1765.68,"endTime":1770.0,"body":"all these other values. Like an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1770.0,"endTime":1774.65,"body":"example of these other values is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1770.0,"endTime":1774.65,"body":"here in Delaware Bay were while"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1774.65,"endTime":1778.19,"body":"they were destroying the crabs,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1774.65,"endTime":1778.19,"body":"they were arguing, we got to do"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1778.19,"endTime":1782.63,"body":"this, we need the jobs. And so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1778.19,"endTime":1782.63,"body":"they basically destroyed the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1782.69,"endTime":1787.4,"body":"robust population. And then in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1782.69,"endTime":1787.4,"body":"the process, we lost 1000s of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1787.4,"endTime":1791.24,"body":"jobs because all the Marine is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1787.4,"endTime":1791.24,"body":"now are closed because there's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1791.24,"endTime":1795.95,"body":"no fish. But the restaurants"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1791.24,"endTime":1795.95,"body":"have closed overnight. motel"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1795.95,"endTime":1800.0600000000002,"body":"type things are closed the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1795.95,"endTime":1800.0600000000002,"body":"income from dramatic levels of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1800.0900000000001,"endTime":1805.3700000000001,"body":"tourism, it's all gone. So the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1800.0900000000001,"endTime":1805.3700000000001,"body":"make 10 jobs or whatever it was"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1805.4,"endTime":1810.95,"body":"20 jobs. We've lost economic"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1805.4,"endTime":1810.95,"body":"support for our communities."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1811.3700000000001,"endTime":1815.9,"body":"Like that's the price that we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1811.3700000000001,"endTime":1815.9,"body":"pay for allowing industry to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1815.93,"endTime":1818.5400000000002,"body":"just come in and take and then"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1815.93,"endTime":1818.5400000000002,"body":"leave"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1819.2600000000002,"endTime":1822.68,"body":"it Yep, that's"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1819.2600000000002,"endTime":1822.68,"body":"that's a very, very compelling"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1822.68,"endTime":1828.89,"body":"case, to care about horseshoe"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1822.68,"endTime":1828.89,"body":"crabs. 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So I"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1837.71,"endTime":1839.93,"body":"guess, what are some of the"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1837.71,"endTime":1839.93,"body":"strategies that are being"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1839.93,"endTime":1843.47,"body":"employed by the horseshoe crab"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1839.93,"endTime":1843.47,"body":"recovery coalition, or the"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1843.47,"endTime":1846.98,"body":"groups that are interested in"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1843.47,"endTime":1846.98,"body":"the recovery of this, of this,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1847.5200000000002,"endTime":1850.5200000000002,"body":"this population to previous"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1847.5200000000002,"endTime":1850.5200000000002,"body":"levels to support these"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1850.5200000000002,"endTime":1856.64,"body":"ecosystems? So what is it more"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1850.5200000000002,"endTime":1856.64,"body":"looking at? At policy levels"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1856.64,"endTime":1860.8400000000001,"body":"that being at being an advocate"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1856.64,"endTime":1860.8400000000001,"body":"at a government events? Or? Or"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1860.8400000000001,"endTime":1863.0300000000002,"body":"is it talking to industry"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":1860.8400000000001,"endTime":1863.0300000000002,"body":"specifically, actually"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1863.0300000000002,"endTime":1865.7,"body":"sort"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1863.0300000000002,"endTime":1865.7,"body":"of all of it so the coalition"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1865.7,"endTime":1870.71,"body":"has several working teams. The"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1865.7,"endTime":1870.71,"body":"one group though is persisted is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1870.71,"endTime":1878.0600000000002,"body":"the LAL RFC group. So that's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1870.71,"endTime":1878.0600000000002,"body":"populated by the companies by"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1878.15,"endTime":1882.0800000000002,"body":"conservation groups by the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1878.15,"endTime":1882.0800000000002,"body":"group's like positions, like a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1882.0800000000002,"endTime":1886.3400000000001,"body":"wide variety of people have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1882.0800000000002,"endTime":1886.3400000000001,"body":"different interests, and arrow"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1886.7600000000002,"endTime":1891.98,"body":"working together? To figure out"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1886.7600000000002,"endTime":1891.98,"body":"what the next action should be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1892.0100000000002,"endTime":1896.3600000000001,"body":"just a series of actions like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1892.0100000000002,"endTime":1896.3600000000001,"body":"letters to the US farm and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1896.3600000000001,"endTime":1901.4,"body":"compare the one group physicians"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1896.3600000000001,"endTime":1901.4,"body":"at a round table with industry"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1901.4,"endTime":1906.0800000000002,"body":"reps. So that's one part of it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1901.4,"endTime":1906.0800000000002,"body":"is doing everything we can to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1906.0800000000002,"endTime":1910.5200000000002,"body":"get RFC adopted, because we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1906.0800000000002,"endTime":1910.5200000000002,"body":"consider that a basic management"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1910.64,"endTime":1915.95,"body":"goal. The second is that we have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1910.64,"endTime":1915.95,"body":"sort of several groups working"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1915.95,"endTime":1920.5100000000002,"body":"on policy issues. If you take a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1915.95,"endTime":1920.5100000000002,"body":"horseshoe crab, or you causing a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1920.5100000000002,"endTime":1924.1100000000001,"body":"take of an endangered species,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1920.5100000000002,"endTime":1924.1100000000001,"body":"red knots, like that's a big"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1924.1100000000001,"endTime":1927.5900000000001,"body":"question, right? The agencies"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1924.1100000000001,"endTime":1927.5900000000001,"body":"haven't really made that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1928.0100000000002,"endTime":1932.48,"body":"declaration, but we think it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1928.0100000000002,"endTime":1932.48,"body":"the case. If you have 10 Crabs,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1932.5100000000002,"endTime":1936.0800000000002,"body":"you might have a nest in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1932.5100000000002,"endTime":1936.0800000000002,"body":"sand that never go to the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1936.0800000000002,"endTime":1939.65,"body":"surface. But if you have 100"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1936.0800000000002,"endTime":1939.65,"body":"Crabs, then you'll have eggs on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1939.65,"endTime":1944.63,"body":"the surface. In other words,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1939.65,"endTime":1944.63,"body":"every crab counts. So a take of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1944.63,"endTime":1948.2900000000002,"body":"a crab should be a take of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1944.63,"endTime":1948.2900000000002,"body":"species. 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And to do that, we've"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1964.88,"endTime":1970.3100000000002,"body":"also created state level working"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1964.88,"endTime":1970.3100000000002,"body":"groups. So these are groups of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1970.3400000000001,"endTime":1974.75,"body":"people who belong to the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1970.3400000000001,"endTime":1974.75,"body":"coalition, but their actions are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1974.75,"endTime":1979.5200000000002,"body":"restricted to that particular"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1974.75,"endTime":1979.5200000000002,"body":"state. 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Like, for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1984.2,"endTime":1988.19,"body":"example, the New York working"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1988.19,"endTime":1992.0,"body":"group helped introduce"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1988.19,"endTime":1992.0,"body":"legislation last year that got"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1992.0,"endTime":1996.5600000000002,"body":"tabled for political reasons,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1992.0,"endTime":1996.5600000000002,"body":"but they're working on state"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1996.5600000000002,"endTime":2001.2700000000002,"body":"legislation. Right now, what"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":1996.5600000000002,"endTime":2001.2700000000002,"body":"we're starting up is where we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2001.2700000000002,"endTime":2006.4,"body":"did a pilot last year, but we're"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2001.2700000000002,"endTime":2006.4,"body":"going into full mode now is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2006.7600000000002,"endTime":2011.38,"body":"working off the state working"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2006.7600000000002,"endTime":2011.38,"body":"groups, develop teams of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2011.38,"endTime":2018.16,"body":"volunteers, that will go out and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2011.38,"endTime":2018.16,"body":"count crab and eggs, tag them,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2018.8200000000002,"endTime":2023.6200000000001,"body":"and also carry out stewardship."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2018.8200000000002,"endTime":2023.6200000000001,"body":"So if there's shorebirds there,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2023.6200000000001,"endTime":2029.2600000000002,"body":"then protect the shorebirds and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2023.6200000000001,"endTime":2029.2600000000002,"body":"to start programs to flip crabs"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2029.2600000000002,"endTime":2034.3600000000001,"body":"because the or rescue them from"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2029.2600000000002,"endTime":2034.3600000000001,"body":"impingement. So saving crabs"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2034.3600000000001,"endTime":2038.38,"body":"lives like we do that on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2034.3600000000001,"endTime":2038.38,"body":"Delaware Bay, a group called"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2038.74,"endTime":2043.5400000000002,"body":"return a favor, but that idea we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2038.74,"endTime":2043.5400000000002,"body":"would like to spread. So that's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2043.5400000000002,"endTime":2048.25,"body":"the sort of multi prong approach"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2043.5400000000002,"endTime":2048.25,"body":"of the coalition."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2048.37,"endTime":2050.77,"body":"That's great. It's"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2048.37,"endTime":2050.77,"body":"an organic thing that continues"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2050.77,"endTime":2053.17,"body":"to snowball out. That's"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2050.77,"endTime":2053.17,"body":"wonderful to hear."},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2053.2,"endTime":2055.18,"body":"You"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2053.2,"endTime":2055.18,"body":"know, I'm a lifelong biologist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2055.21,"endTime":2060.04,"body":"as yourself, although you're"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2055.21,"endTime":2060.04,"body":"half my age of that. But I think"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2060.04,"endTime":2064.75,"body":"this is unique, you know, it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2060.04,"endTime":2064.75,"body":"45 different groups. It's not"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2064.75,"endTime":2070.2400000000002,"body":"just conservation groups, it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2064.75,"endTime":2070.2400000000002,"body":"wide range of groups. And we're"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2070.2400000000002,"endTime":2074.86,"body":"not competing. 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I think that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2078.7000000000003,"endTime":2083.38,"body":"our agencies are being overly"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2083.38,"endTime":2088.3900000000003,"body":"influenced by the short term"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2083.38,"endTime":2088.3900000000003,"body":"needs of industry. 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You go into"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2099.94,"endTime":2105.1600000000003,"body":"foundations, you're looking for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2099.94,"endTime":2105.1600000000003,"body":"rich donors. And it's hard for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2105.1600000000003,"endTime":2109.09,"body":"conservation groups to work"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2105.1600000000003,"endTime":2109.09,"body":"together vitally. 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It's not like our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2167.35,"endTime":2171.82,"body":"groups, working groups, these"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2171.82,"endTime":2176.26,"body":"are built from whatever works"},{"speaker":"Dr. Larry Niles, Horseshoe Crab Recovery Coalition","startTime":2171.82,"endTime":2176.26,"body":"best in each state. 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Thanks so much to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2455.08,"endTime":2458.59,"body":"Dr. Larry Niles. He is a great"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2455.08,"endTime":2458.59,"body":"guest. And I learned so much"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2458.59,"endTime":2462.34,"body":"from him just so excited to make"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2458.59,"endTime":2462.34,"body":"my way down to Delaware Bay and"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2462.34,"endTime":2465.31,"body":"see the crab spawn for myself."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2462.34,"endTime":2465.31,"body":"For more information about the"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2465.31,"endTime":2468.1600000000003,"body":"horseshoe crab recovery"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":2465.31,"endTime":2468.1600000000003,"body":"coalition. 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