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So to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":626.27,"endTime":630.62,"body":"help me understand, I reached"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":630.62,"endTime":633.71,"body":"out to Dr. Sylvain Charlebois,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":630.62,"endTime":633.71,"body":"otherwise known as the food"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":633.71,"endTime":636.86,"body":"professor from Dalhousie"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":633.71,"endTime":636.86,"body":"University to really help me"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":636.86,"endTime":640.7,"body":"wrap my head around how food"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":636.86,"endTime":640.7,"body":"gets to Canada and why it's"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":640.7,"endTime":641.9,"body":"labeled the way it is."},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":642.77,"endTime":646.52,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":642.77,"endTime":646.52,"body":"my name is Sylvain Charlebois. I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":646.52,"endTime":650.15,"body":"am the director of the agrifood"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":646.52,"endTime":650.15,"body":"analytics lab at Dalhousie"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":650.15,"endTime":656.75,"body":"University, in Canada. And what"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":650.15,"endTime":656.75,"body":"we do at the lab is to try to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":656.75,"endTime":661.58,"body":"understand the future of food,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":656.75,"endTime":661.58,"body":"the seafood or fisheries, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":661.58,"endTime":664.88,"body":"quickly understood that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":661.58,"endTime":664.88,"body":"transparency is not necessarily"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":664.88,"endTime":669.59,"body":"a priority. There's a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":664.88,"endTime":669.59,"body":"things going on out there. That"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":669.59,"endTime":674.18,"body":"really concerns not only me, but"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":669.59,"endTime":674.18,"body":"of course, a lot of people,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":674.18,"endTime":678.11,"body":"including consumers and the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":674.18,"endTime":678.11,"body":"Canadian Food Inspection Agency."},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":678.11,"endTime":682.25,"body":"And when you look at the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":678.11,"endTime":682.25,"body":"importance of the sector in in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":682.25,"endTime":685.07,"body":"our economy, you need to take"},{"speaker":"Dr. Sylvain Charlebois, Dalhousie University","startTime":682.25,"endTime":685.07,"body":"care of it. 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So what is food fraud? So"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":706.469,"endTime":711.389,"body":"food fraud happens when you sell"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":711.389,"endTime":715.529,"body":"something? And you say it is"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":711.389,"endTime":715.529,"body":"something that it isn't? A lot"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":715.529,"endTime":719.819,"body":"of times it's substituting a"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":715.529,"endTime":719.819,"body":"cheaper species and pretending"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":719.819,"endTime":724.709,"body":"it's a more expensive, more"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":719.819,"endTime":724.709,"body":"prized fish to be had. So for"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":724.709,"endTime":729.329,"body":"those who end up purchasing this"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":724.709,"endTime":729.329,"body":"fish, why should you care? 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I didn't want"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":859.919,"endTime":863.369,"body":"to be supporting criminal"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":859.919,"endTime":863.369,"body":"organizations that are involved"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":863.369,"endTime":866.489,"body":"in human trafficking and illegal"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":863.369,"endTime":866.489,"body":"fishing. I don't want to have an"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":866.489,"endTime":869.549,"body":"allergic reaction. I want to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":866.489,"endTime":869.549,"body":"know what I'm eating. And I want"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":869.549,"endTime":873.899,"body":"to feel good about it. So I"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":869.549,"endTime":873.899,"body":"guess the next question is, how"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":873.899,"endTime":877.619,"body":"big of a problem is this? We"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":873.899,"endTime":877.619,"body":"keep mentioning it, keep"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":877.619,"endTime":882.539,"body":"bringing it up. But how often"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":877.619,"endTime":882.539,"body":"are we actually buying seafood?"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":882.539,"endTime":885.569,"body":"That is not actually what it"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":882.539,"endTime":885.569,"body":"says it is? Now for this"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":885.569,"endTime":888.899,"body":"question. Everyone I talked to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":885.569,"endTime":888.899,"body":"pointed me in one direction."},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":889.709,"endTime":894.179,"body":"Oceana, Canada, Oceana, Canada"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":889.709,"endTime":894.179,"body":"has done a number of studies,"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":894.359,"endTime":897.989,"body":"where they've DNA tested fish"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":894.359,"endTime":897.989,"body":"from across Canadian"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":897.989,"endTime":901.289,"body":"marketplaces to see if they"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":897.989,"endTime":901.289,"body":"actually are the species that"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":901.289,"endTime":904.289,"body":"they are actually labeled as, so"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":901.289,"endTime":904.289,"body":"I'll turn this over to sciarra"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":904.289,"endTime":908.399,"body":"Thurston from Oceana Canada to"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":904.289,"endTime":908.399,"body":"let us know what's going on in"},{"speaker":"David Evans","startTime":908.399,"endTime":909.809,"body":"Canada with seafood right now."},{"speaker":"Sayara Thurston, Oceana Canada","startTime":910.83,"endTime":912.63,"body":"We,"},{"speaker":"Sayara Thurston, Oceana Canada","startTime":910.83,"endTime":912.63,"body":"you know, we wanted to take a"},{"speaker":"Sayara Thurston, Oceana Canada","startTime":912.63,"endTime":915.87,"body":"look and see if this problem"},{"speaker":"Sayara Thurston, Oceana Canada","startTime":912.63,"endTime":915.87,"body":"which has been well documented"},{"speaker":"Sayara Thurston, Oceana Canada","startTime":915.9,"endTime":918.9,"body":"around the world was an issue"},{"speaker":"Sayara Thurston, Oceana Canada","startTime":915.9,"endTime":918.9,"body":"here as well. 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