Ordinary people's extraordinary stories & Everyday Conversations Regarding Mental Health

The Tim Heale Podcasts S3 E6 Becky Walford

January 10, 2021 Tim Heale Season 3 Episode 6
Ordinary people's extraordinary stories & Everyday Conversations Regarding Mental Health
The Tim Heale Podcasts S3 E6 Becky Walford
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In this episode I talk with Becky who worked for The Joint Services Adventure Sail Training Center and The Queens Harbourmaster in Portsmouth, she has an incredible story to tell sailing around the world with UK Armed Forces personal.

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Welcome to series three of the Tim Heale podcasts. In the last two series, I have told you about my life. I've met many interesting people along the way who have become my friends and what they have in common is they all have fascinating stories of their own, which they're happy to share with you now, thank you for listening

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Episode six of the Tim Heale podcasts. In this episode, I'm talking to Becky Walford. She spent 12 years with the joint services, adventurous sail training center in gospel before moving on to the Queens hall by master and Paul Smith. She has an absolutely fascinating story to tell. So sit back and enjoy over to now, Becky.

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Okay. So my name is Becky Walford. I was born in Redding. However, my grandfather had a farm and in times to come, my father took over the farm and I spent my early years of my teenage years in the middle of the summer set levels. We had a, we have a 350 acre mixed farm on a fairly low line countryside that is currently flooded, which is fairly normal for this time of year. And as a teenager, I spent a lot of time in the fields, work in the farm in the summer, driving tractors, loving the outdoor life. And I have a brother and sister, and between this Wheeler, we all supported the family and made the farm work.

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And for schooling, I was educated at my local primary school. And then in my, in my secondary education, I went to a private school also in Somerset, which was very keen on sport being asked Matic. I can't really do running or any sort of thing unless it's for the, for the bus last minute. But I developed a love of sailing, which came from my father's side primarily. And we were able to go sailing through school, being thrown in a fairly vintage dingy in all types of weather and an inland pond. And I thought, I quite like this, which led me on to forming qualifications and stepping into the Rya cruising scheme, which then I thought, well, I quite like this sailing game.

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As much as I love agriculture, I'm a bit allergic to animals on the farm. And when I go sailing, I I'm fairly healthy free of things that make me weighs and sneeze. So that was really how sailing took off. And I took a three-year course at Samson Institute in the Marine industry management and played with boats ever since really, really started my relationship with sailing in the Solon. So I spent time working in the Marine industry and realized that I still wanted to go sailing for pleasure. But then I was given a very good opportunity with Robbie Johnson's clipper ventures found in Plymouth, which was really my big door opener.

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I spent three months, refitting the then clipper 60 fleet. And often the refit, they said, we're sure first makes Becky. We know you've got a coastal Skipper's certificate. Why don't you come and sat as first mate, which I was you delighted to take part in. And my learning curve was fairly steep, had a huge amount of experience racing yachts and the solar, but I had very little experience of racing or sailing 60 foot yachts, but got my head round it fairly quickly and spent the summer of 1998, training all these people to go racing, sailing with an R very famous Alex concert. And that was my huge, great stepping stone in commercial sailing.

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And at the end of it got my yacht master. And about the following year, I ended up running a fleet for clipper while the race boats were going around the world. So that was my, my first job, so to speak in sailing. So I worked for clipper from 98 to 2002 full time, which was right. Okay. So really good stuff. Mostly sailing. They're relatively small fleet of 38 foot yachts along the South coast and lots of corporate charter and racing. But I also became a relief skipper for the big boat fleet and was involved with the commissioning of the 60 eights and worked for them freelance for a few years when I was a little gap in my needs.

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And during that time I got my surf instructors tifca and do some instruction for other schools around the UK, got some blue water miles and carried on. And then, and then I saw the job at joint services advertised and I thought, Oh, well, what was like those Nicholsons. And earlier in the year, I'd been tied up in Plymouth with a clip of boat alongside of joint services boat that was fresh out of refit. And I thought, Oh, I quite like this. I like this idea of working with the forces. So that would have been 2005. So 2005, I started at direct services, which was a true sum.

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Yeah, amazing. I was fairly, fairly green for the first six months. Not really understanding all the forces, twine, all their acronyms that went with it. But after a while I got my head around it and then had some good time sailing with a wide variety of skippers who were all X-Force is learning how they run their ship. And I think at the time I had my Skipper's assessment to combine the skills I had having driven vessels for clipper ventures all over the world and joint services did things. I think I brought an element of fresh air to the organization, which would have been late, late 2005. I think I took my Skipper's ticket and then the door was wide and I was fortunate enough to go all over the world with joint services for all those years, joint services, direct services on the walls, if not the world's largest self-training subjects separately, the UK is running.

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Yeah. A sizable fleet, which I believe is up to as part of 35, 40 bucks there. And the primary objective of the center is to develop personnel qualities of the armed forces through an offshore sailing environment. And the amazing thing it did was, or does is puts a whole wide range of people into a small safe space, shrinks them up a bit. And then they learn life skills. And along with life skills, they learn often how to sail. So that the sense that does everything in their own way, cruising scheme from comp crew all the way up to my masturbation and my primary remit was driving the large vessels. And so at the time we had a five Nicholson's tied to the dock on day one and a four channel 67 and the five Nicholson's basically stayed in Europe.

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And the 60 sevens went global and the Nicholson's were famous because the original one adventure had one had done the first Whitbread now Volvo race and brought the Navy into light and the army took one round the world and the later Volvo race. So it was a quite a historic piece of kit to sail. Certainly when you sailed in Europe and you find yourself in the backend of Greece in some Island with 11 score, these that hadn't washed for a week because the only washing they could do was swimming because then they could sleep. It's fairly basic. I love it. When we would come down the dog who was ex forces and say, Oh, I sat on that boat in 1963 or 1973 or 83.

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Well, 1993, we know you haven't got a show. Would you like to come into my house for a drink and a shop? Which strangely enough. So it was, it was quite an honor to drive those vessels. Not being white. Most of them were blue. All right. It was good. Cause you just weren't that big white boat on the end of the dock, but there's two places from, or where did we go? We went in the ball turret. We went think of some Pittsburgh, but nearly we went to Tallinn. We went to Greece, we went to Cyprus, we went to Italy. We went to Spain, went to Croatia, went all over the place with them. But we also used to send one down to the canaries for the winter. So we have two weeks, at least if not more sailing a boat ran the canaries, which was, which was a great program because it was fairly windy.

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A lot of people signed up thinking that we're going to have a two week drinking holiday, but actually you realize that they need to learn how to sail and how to cook quite often. Some fairly sporty wins that you get in the acceleration zones back to work, hopefully learn a few things. And then perhaps later on we'll come and join us again. Or they get some certification, potentially work their way up through the RIA scheme, using the small boats, the challenge boats, we have four channels, 60 sevens, which run a fantastic or still are a fantastic boat designed to go around the world the wrong way by <inaudible> clients and being the forces. We didn't like to make things too difficult.

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So we tended to go around the world with the wind and then the 2009 strips. And we sell for them around the globe over, I think it was over about a year or so with various legs from two weeks to six weeks. And we, we visited canaries Rio, Cape town, Sydney, or Auckland, and the weekend I'm up in the East coast of South America and into North America and home. And that was in the days when the force has had a bit more time from one boat was fully proved by the REI. One boat was fully crewed by the army and another boat was fully approved by the Navy. And I was very lucky to take the RF from Rio to Cape town on a fantastic trip with a wind behind us and two iconic cities that either and with the instating group.

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And then I also picked up the same boat, which had been solved by other colleagues to Sydney by now. And we raised it in the Sydney Hobart race in 2009 in Sydney with the RAF. And there was also banter on the dock about how the Navy will always going to win and the army we're going to win. And I was very delighted to say, after a fairly tough race of, of lights wins, we beat the Navy by some considerable margin. And we also beat the army by a considerable margin. And on new year's day, I was very proud to stand on the plinth and the row Hobart yacht club or the Royal Tasmania cruising covered touchstone there.

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I can't remember. I'd have to look that up and accepted a trophy on behalf of my crew for being the first forces, both home and also first female skipper. So that was hairs on the back of the neck, very proud moment, which will stay with me for some time. And then I was fortunate enough to, instead of coming home, I thought, well, I've asked to go to New Zealand, I'm taking, picking the next boat up in New Zealand. So I flew to New Zealand, had two weeks leaving New Zealand and then joined the army vessel challenger, Victor up in Oakland and a completely different crew from

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The ref crew. Who'd, we'd sailed together and we'd formed

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And we'd all done quite a lot of sailing or racing. Whereas these army lads walked down the dock. They'd done three days sailing before stepping on a 67 foot yacht to sail as part of 7,000 miles from Auckland to Cape on. But the time we left on mass with the other two vessels, we have a few, a few hiccups along the way with certification and what have you. But we all left our mass in early February and we set off Montevideo pumped a Dallas day. And we were in convoy with the other two, which was great to know, and most days we'd have a chart or a quiz or just Mark see how he caught the biggest fish and all that sort of stuff.

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However, after about a week, we were doing our morning Dawn patrol and having a look around and notice the, our mass tracker started to peel off. So after much fuffing and Dew and head scratching, I concluded it could not be fixed at sea in the Southern ocean. And there was nowhere to go and a duty of care. And so we turned back to Wellington and spent a couple of days in Wellington and that our mouse trap fixed and replenished. So we set off again, two weeks later than our other two sister ships and sell it all the way to a Falklands. And we went to the Falklands because time was running out. However, on our way to the Falklands, about 200 miles West of Cape horn, we picked up a fairly sizeable weather forecast that would make the, has on anybody's neck stand up, which included winds to 90 knots.

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We had a fairly exciting 36 hours, which included numerous times at the mast going into the water and the ankle vanishing stability reached a fairly sizeable 20 meter, tall wave damaged the rig, it damaged the steering. It wiped the holdover safety kit off the back of the boat. And when the wreck went, where we went over, we flattened the stanchions life jackets went off, all the contents of the bookshelf ended up in the freezer. I won't eat porridge to this day. Rice crispies all over the roof. Everybody's sleeping bags, all wet, but because these were infantry lacks, they were absolutely brilliant. Linked again. They didn't realize how bad it was, which was a blessing.

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Those of us that did gathering gray hands as we walked around the deck. But the infantry labs were just brilliant. They did absolutely everything. I asked them to and to give our Perkins and one, three, five it's absolute credit. It started first time having been thrown on its side, I think at least four times. And it ran without missing a beat all the way to the Falklands. We worked in new Jeff filters on the generator, which promptly ran all the way to the full cleanse. And we decided that having taken all the sails down, apart from the storm stage for our little hurricane experience, we had no need to put them back up. We turned them up. We turned up in the full cleanse and the guard on the end of the pontoon said, you're late.

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That's a nice greeting. And then she said, could you wear a life jacket when you're on the pontoon? I'll never forget it. I stepped off the pole to go run the large hole. I think I manage that risk of, to sell however many thousand miles, but I'll fix the port operations room to be backed by a whole load of people in suits and army care. It was, seemed to be worried about us, which was nice to know, but all we will. We had a warm bed, preferably dry and a hot shower. And in the base further up the road, which I visited on a previous occasion. So I knew my way around because I've been fortunate enough to take one of the 60 sevens that South Georgia, about two years beforehand.

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So I knew what I was letting myself in for the guy who was running the beast said yes, at which point I ran out and gave everybody a big thumbs up. They all went to the base. We all collected our stuff. Then the Naval engineering unit and the forks, and set about fixing the boat, which was a, quite an achievement. And they used a huge amount of stuff off the scrap heap. And she became known as crack challenger based on the other TV series. And then somebody else took her away from the Falklands. And then I honestly, I met up with her in Charleston. We selled, I started with an army acro crew up to Boston. And that was, that was quite a tough trip, emotionally, not so much weather-wise, but it was quite hard getting back on the same boat.

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So we got back on the side and carried on. So the 12 and a half years at joint services, which was, I think probably more than half my working life so far. Ooh, that's a the question I think, I think I can look at, I can put it into hard so I can say some of the sailing was just amazing. So to sound out of South Georgia and seeing that as a landfall was amazing and then spending a day and playing with ice spokes in Greenland, where we sort of decided to try and tie up to a nice boat, which wasn't very successful. And then the others decided to put dry suits on and slide down. I spoke to in the water, which we hope them out. And then I look at the things that they're trying to insanely across the Atlantic.

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We took 67 across the Atlantic for days. It was a full moon Spinnaker up 20 nights behind us. And the boat was just trucking along. Ben was quite nice. It was when Dave, but then the sailing was easy, but it was the people management because you put these 12 or 14 people in this 10 and there's hot 10 things, especially in the tropics. And you'd never put these people in a walk of life together, and then they'd have to cook. They'd have to clean in a really small galley. The watch would take three hours to do the washing up. We need a dishwasher out. Well, we haven't got dishwasher. We haven't got a washing machine, but you've got microwave.

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Yeah. But think about how we're going to make all the water. And it was that expectation management, but I never forget one time. It was a ginger had a gentlemen who joined us in a tannery and being told that he could go to the Caribbean, not exactly appreciating that it would be at least two to three weeks together. He thought he was on some cruise ship and he was an absolute character line. Managers struggle to call him ginger worse. I think he settled on African sunset. He got to the other end and the hand and his mate decided that they would go and find the ladies of the light in St. Solutia because they hadn't spent any money for three weeks and they loved it.

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And the following day they appeared on the boat. We can bit sorry for themselves. I missed credit from five days later, he came up to me and he said, Oh, you you're back here. He said that you might remember me. I'm African. Just stop that. He said, I've come to apologize. Apologize about my point behavior. At the end of the leg, I know a married man with two kids and I'm doing my coastal skipper this week. Actually. You know what, if nothing happens, he's learned a huge amount about life and he can think back to that. And that's, I think essentially why the sailing center operates and all those life lessons that you can't put your finger on when they're on that sail training vessel with 10 people in types to come, they can say, Oh yeah, I learned how to peel this onion when I was doing a leg up the canaries with Becky or yeah, she did a really good chili or no, no, no, we don't cook.

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We don't cook potatoes in the capital. We put them in a pan first and Oh yeah, your man who cut his leg, he's got a big scar, but I just still call him one leg and there's years to come. And, and I think for me also being accepted into that forces world as a complete civilian, let alone females into the joint service center, I broke the mold because they hadn't taken the civilian and on, and they haven't taken female and she was driving the big boats. It was actually an honor. And to go to people's leaving parties and to be able to talk to people in that forces environment, something I never even dreamed of when I started the role, but I just thought the boats, I love the sailing.

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And I'm very, very lucky to have some really cool stuff. And I'm surrounded by memories of that. That goes with it.

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You get the chance to go out on the Victoria 30 fours, or is it just the big boats that you concentrate on

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The skills and drills that we, we did at least one or two trips a week on a Vicki. Yeah. And I remember coming back one, one year and saying to them training officer, please kind of have a week, a week on a verdict. And he's like why he said, because when we sat a bit, everything's so easy, it doesn't need 12 people to pull things up, but you could just pull the main in and you can just put the anchor down. So I used to love going and doing a day skeptical, just sailing around the soul and in your backyard, easy sailing. Didn't have to go out at night, didn't have to go out the sight of land. And if we run out food, we can go and get some. And that, yeah, it was great. And the Vic's a really great training. Boats were hacked on headsails. So Matt and Rolex, so you have to pull the anchor up, you have to pull the sales up, you have to pull them in, you have to pump the heads.

2 (20m 10s):
Don't have to pump the sink and the galley, which is unlike the challenge boats. But yeah, they're great. Really, really great. And again, seeing people starting off as day skippers, and then coming back on the Nicholson's as a watch leader, and then perhaps come back in years to come and you end up examining their yacht master and he's, you guys have just complete product of, of forces sailing, and you're going to take this and you're going to use it all over the world. And the Vicks are really, really good for that little bit, little bit basic inside, but they do have the biggest chart table, almost 34 foot anyway, full-size child's table, which I think is something to be proud of. Think they always called them the slugs for a very long time, but they're great.

1 (20m 51s):
We also have some full members of the Victoria 30 fours. That's where I started my sailing career with the army on effect 30 fours. But then I moved up to, into Germany and spent a lot of time sailing out keel on the Hellboy grasses. And I even own a Helberg Russia myself nowadays. So my sailing career has gone from the old rough and ready Victoria, 30 falls to really plush and to the market would help her grassy.

2 (21m 23s):
Yeah, well, of course straight services have got, how about grasses are they ended up with the Hubba graphics from queue. And I think that's, that's really good for the center because one thing that it does is it gives you a different type of boat to sail on. Otherwise you get very stuck on Sonia Victoria, 34, but with the ability to sell the Harbor aggressively, which has a different set of characteristics and both good in all different ways, it just gives the, gives the client base a little bit more experience, different, different things to do

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You ever seen the British kill yacht club before he closed?

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Yeah, it's a cracking spotlight. That's a cracking spot. It's a shame it's gone, but the waters around Q and a fantastic they're so flat, there's so much to see. And the people that are so welcoming, I realized after a few trips that I perhaps didn't need to get concussion in the middle of the Atlantic anymore. Having been sat down by the Bishop in the four beak, he said, Becky, you need to find another job, but I didn't want to do was rush away from defense. Cause I liked the defense thing and I like the family that it provides you. And so I was very lucky. I found a job with the Queens harbormaster department in Portsmouth, so enabled me to stay local to Gosport so I didn't have to move. And they wanted somebody that had a huge amount of experience with leisure festivals and had some training behind them and was happy to stand up and talk to people.

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Basically they had a new post. They weren't really too sure how it was going to pan out when they advertised it three years ago, but they got me very happily, I think have me a job title of the port safety and boat patrol. So in the summer I spend three days a week on the water with a 22 foot route with Queens harbormaster written on the side and if needs be, we have a blue flashing light and a two-tone siren, and we engaged with it, a huge amount of the public that might need a little bit of education about speed awareness or how much wash they're creating or just their effect on others. So the guy that's towing his water ski through the people that are swimming and also on Bay, it gets frowned upon the guy that's doing 30 knots off the beach.

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It sounds see on his jet ski, he and I had medical charts. And then we keep an eye on all the guys that might be out there doing a yacht race or around the Island or rural Southern. We got cause I'm responsible for making sure that all the risk assessments are seen for that. And we have a huge, great database that all the calendars for men too. And then if something needs to be broadcast, we can form a notice to Mariners. But also I do the traffic management for the small vessels under 20 meters for when the queen Elizabeth class carriers go in and out of the Harbor because that's a fairly sizeable maneuver for our team with a couple of Admiralty pilots, a huge amount of tucks. And we shut the Harbor for when a carrier moves in or out.

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And sometimes they're further winding chef as well, but so I'm on the water for doing that. And when I'm not in the water, I'm working from home or in the office, which is in the dock yard, keeping an eye on things trend at the moment, it seems to be boats breaking free from moorings. It's the time of year that we have to deal with that sort of keeping an eye on the leisure use really, but also doing a few zoom presentations when normally I'll be out and he got club at this time, he had spreading the good word about what we do because at the end of the day, we're all people at QHM and we love talking to others and we won't need to be safe in our dock yard, which is 55 square miles East Eastern silent. So border is quite low. The big word that border goes up to hell hat.

2 (24m 51s):
And then there's a dotted line that goes across a Transwell castle point in cows and then our neighbors to the West, South Hampton and cows, and then down to the South and East goes into Sandown Bay out at right angles, inside the mouth toned and across the entrance to Langston Harbor. So we're 55 square miles. If you include Portsmouth Harbor itself, we let Southampton manage the traffic that comes through the Solon because otherwise it gets a bit complicated with holding vessels in and out of the Harbor authority areas. So we provide a vessel traffic service from outer spit boy, which is about a mile and a half, two miles from the entrance to Portsmouth Harbor for the traffic going into the Harbor.

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And even people say, Oh, you're just, just port Smith. We're actually the second busiest port in the UK to Dover in non COVID times because we have the whitening ferries leaving from various parts of the Harbor going to the Island way. And of course we have the Brittany ferries and the COVID all Clippers and go to cross channel or channel islands. And then we've got the commercial traffic on top of all the bullshit traffic. So all the ministry of defense vessels that come in and out all our problem as well, and my colleagues and the politician team step on board and bring them in safely. So there's a huge amount going on in our, in our park.

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Do you have anything to do with the pilot boats that run out for Blockhouse or have your own pilot boats and what's your role for the pilot boats?

2 (26m 26s):
Ah, yeah, so we've got to raise some spirit and sometimes if something's going on, I'll go out with one of the pilots. I've had to do a move in. I've got a few wines, which has been interesting when they've taken the ships out of blocks, put them on walls, but it's fascinating when you see a pilot climbing up the ladder, it's like 45 or, or the carrier sometimes, and then bring the ship in. And I was fortunate enough to go out and just type 23 on one of the full six days, couple of years ago, when I was able to see the pilot actually doing his job on the bridge, which was really, really good to see that size of the organization.

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I I'd love to become a pilot, but unfortunately I'm not qualified because I am much as I have a yacht master commercial with all that goes with, to do the job I did at joint services. Unfortunately I don't have any STCW masters 3000 or above qualifications, which is understandably what you need to pilot one of those vessels in, but it's good to be involved with it and have an understanding of, and appreciation to how important it is. I'd be more than happy to talk to you guys, again, just stay safe. And if you've ever got any questions for QHN either email us or contact us and we'd, we'd happily answer them.

1 (27m 49s):
You'll work. Sounds fascinating. Do you ever do tours at all for groups say if I could arrange for hoarding services, say the club to come over to the Queens Harbor master at some stage in the future. Once this pandemic is over to give us a quick tour of what you do and how it's.

2 (28m 10s):
Yeah, I think I'm actually toying with the idea to see if we can do a virtual visit and put it on a clip online, but where we are with COVID at the moment, the, the team in Harbor control have lost one person at their watch to keep their teams safe. So with people isolating, they need to build some redundancy. And so I've seen, I think in the last six months or eight months, I've seen, I think if I add up all the times, I've seen my colleagues for more than a day. It's probably about 10 working to try and keep everybody safe. And I think there's great, great news for the, with all the vaccines that are coming out. And I think that will be a huge step once we get the vaccines and that will ease the pressure on, on the health services,

1 (28m 52s):
In the highlights of your time with the Queens harbormaster in Portsmouth.

2 (28m 56s):
That's what my highlights catch up. Oh wow. I think QA can rib, which is one with the blues and twos. I think it's to actually sit there and direct traffic when, when an aircraft carrier comes in, driving around at 30 knots and the main channel to go and deal with something as much as it's painful, it's actually quite a privilege. We do get people deciding they want to come and look at the carrier on their paddleboards and they want to paddle them from the hot walls, just at the wrong moment and to be sent across the bars of the carrier to go and deal with that is a huge privilege. It's also can be quite a scary moment.

2 (29m 37s):
I've a very good copilot at the moment, which is, which is good. So the deal is I do the talking, he does the driving, they had to go and talk to somebody who had done something similar, coming out past the Creek and trying to cut the carrier up. And the police is something you had to go and talk to somebody. So sort of squeezing through the six meter gap between the carrier and port block house was a little bit Oh, but we can do this quickly moment. So that was great. And I think if we are able to take this, this up into Harbor control, to be able to stand up on the fifth and look all the way across the Harbor is absolutely stunning view. Absolutely stunning right down the channel, right up the Harbor, right across over the gospel.

2 (30m 20s):
Absolutely amazing. And then stand up there on that bridge or the type 23, I think it was HMS sent orphans on the family's day next to the captain and the, between the cups and the pilot and say, this is good. I quite like this. So as much as I did miss elements of sail training and taking members of the armed forces, same thing. I still get that fixed by doing a bit volunteering for sea cadets on the cruise ship and also doing a bit of examining for various schools. So I still get my fix from that. So I feel now my, my offshore sailing wellies on the ground on the souls and I'm able to get the best of both worlds. Now

1 (30m 60s):
That sounds like an amazing career so far. I'd just like to give you a date. Thank you. Hope you found that. Very interesting. I did. If it did, please like share and subscribe by subscribing you won't miss another episode. My episodes are released at six o'clock when he spend time on a Sunday morning. So if you don't subscribe, login on a Sunday morning to get the latest episode, thank you for listening.

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