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253. Technology Mirrors Consciousness
This week spoke with Human Centered Futurist Ashley Mosaic about all things technology, astrology, and human design.
In this episode ,Ashley and I talk about:
- Astrology
- Acceptance through Astrology & Human Design
- Astrology as a life hack
- Pluto in Capricorn reflection
- The importance of connecting with your body
- ChatGPT as a mirror for consciousness
- collaborating with technology
- Your conscious and unconscious moon in your chart
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Welcome to the Rochelle Christian podcast, formerly the Emotional Mastery podcast. I'm Rochelle, your host. I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms. This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive. We'll explore human design, astrology and other tools to help you understand your unique energy. More importantly, though, we're going to talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects. So each week, I'm going to share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic. So if you're ready to step up, take control and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin. Welcome to this week's episode on the Rochelle Christian Podcast.
Speaker 1:Today, I speak with Ashley Mosaic, who is a futurist keynote speaker, strategic advisor on human potential and societal innovation. Ashley is at the intersection of human potential, societal evolution and technological transformation. She is a futurist and strategic advisor who helps leaders, teams and organizations navigate the next era of human intelligence and innovation. She uses human design, gene keys, astrology, and our conversation was so good and so fascinating. We talk all about Pluto and Capricorn. She has some really amazing reflection questions that you can use. So when you're listening to this episode, recommend having a journal and a pen with you, because there are literally so many great questions that she asked for us to reflect on our own life, and I will definitely be going through and journaling for myself as well. We talk about chat, gbt. We talk about, you know, technology being a mirror for our consciousness, so that we can actually collaborate with technology instead of just thinking that it's ruling things or ruining things. We talk about acceptance through astrology and human design astrology as a life hack, like so much it is such a good conversation.
Speaker 1:Recently, I feel like it's been this really interesting phase where I go through these phases, where I feel like layers are being peeled back and then I have to be really honest with myself and look around my life and see where things are not where I want them to be and ask the really hard questions and get real honest with them. It's also a phase where I feel like, because I have so much time now, there's this reflection period around, or not reflection period. There is a slight guilt around doing things for me versus being more structured and organized, and you know, life is cyclical and there are periods in life where we flow with it, where we, you know, everything is again. It's cyclical, so we ebb, we flow, we're up, we're down, we're high, we're low. We hold all of that duality within us. And so it is this period of surrendering while holding the vision which sometimes is really challenging, because I find that when I do surrender, I'm air quoting surrender it often means that, you know, I sleep in more, I kind of tend to procrastinate on some areas. So it's not really full surrender because I'm not actually doing the things that I need to move the needle type energy. It's more like this, just kind of. You know I'm on on for so much of the year that I guess what I'm trying to say is that I feel like there is some guilt around just being. There's some guilt around not being more active, there's guilt around not being more structured and, although it is for a short period of time, I think there is a part of me that is holding on to that, like not doing anything, not being active, and it is a lesson of really fully surrendering to the feminine, because it's not about not doing anything and you know I'm still editing the podcast, I'm still I feel like I'm in this period, too, where I have so many ideas and yet I'm not doing anything with them right now. I'm kind of just sitting on them, which is simultaneously fine, and also I do love what I get to do.
Speaker 1:I do love to work, I do love to work with people, and so it's just a really confusing and beautiful time. The sun is about to move into cancer, and every time the sun is in Cancer season and maybe it is with Jupiter having moved in Cancer. Cancer is my 12th house, and so it's this period where there's a lot of deep subconscious work and also it's really hard to like rasp it right. It's sort of this work in the void where you can't really see anything. But you know, know, there's so much there and it's like what direction am I going in? Like I don't actually know. And so before my kids left, I committed that I was going to really do the work, really use this time to really lean and do the work, and I feel like I haven't fully done that. I've definitely leaned into the flow and the slowness, which is really beautiful because I'm a Taurus sun, midheaven, mercury so I do love to feel more in that slowness, that grounded slowness.
Speaker 1:I've been getting outside and walking more. I have been working out, I've been consistent with that. I've been reading a lot, but there is also this piece of wanting to do the actual work. So I've started doing meditations, walking meditations when I'm out walking, and I know the things that I need to do. I'm also reading the book the Dark Side of Light Chasers, and it is about the duality and accepting the duality within us.
Speaker 1:So if there's anything that triggers you about somebody else, like really owning that part of yourself, and it can be really challenging. Because when we think there's like an exercise in the book and it's like have your, have three people that you really idolize and then have three people that you, like absolutely can't stand and put those qualities down and the things that you really admire in these three people, and then the other people, what are the things you really can't stand? And a lot of times, you know one example was Hitler and murderer and like all these words come up and it's like acknowledging that there's a part of you that would do that and it's not to say that yes, you're a murderer, like no, that's not what it is, but it's also it's further breaking that down to the energy behind it. And also acknowledging that if you were given the same circumstances in the same situation, with the same parenting, the same life experiences, it's easy for us to be like, no, I, I'd never be like that, right. But if you've experienced abuse, sexual abuse, like all these things in your childhood, it is this acknowledging that not that it would happen, not that it could happen, because we're all so unique individuals Like I do believe that, say, you know somebody, we use our experiences to either move us forward or or hold us back, and everybody's different based on their life experience, right. And also acknowledging that if you were in those same situations, with that same energy, with that same like birth chart, like whatever, yes, there is a potential that you could go the opposite way, and there is a potential that you could go that way. And so it's kind of like a challenging thing to face and acknowledge, but really just like witnessing that, because we can't move past things that we can't see. And so accepting the parts of ourselves that we don't want to see, accepting that we have duality within us, we have lightness, we have darkness, we have everything within us, right, we have the potential for everything held inside of us, and so acknowledging that is a challenging and also beautiful practice. So those are just sort of the things that I've been cycling through.
Speaker 1:Listening to podcasts, I started listening to this my Big Toe, my Big Theory of Everything by Thomas Campbell, and it's really just simulation theory. It's so fascinating and so I feel like it's just expanding and continuing to do my tarot work and it's just been, yeah, really interesting. I feel like I'm kind of floating by, but in a really beautiful way, if that makes sense. Like obviously there's a lot of both and in my life right now and really just trying to again do the work of seeing what areas of my life are not where I want them to be and getting really honest about why. What am I not doing, what am I avoiding, what am I not seeing, what am I not wanting to show up for? Really getting honest about those things. Because there is a lot that is moving forward and then there's a lot that just feels the same. That's kind of frustrating and it's all about taking responsibility and we talked about that, you know, at the end of this podcast as well like taking full responsibility for ourselves and that's all that we can do. We can't control anything else. We can't control what other people do. We can only control the way that we see things, the way that we operate, the way that we react, and that's really, really important.
Speaker 1:So I again, while you listen to this, get a journal, a piece of paper, even like your notes app, something to like write down, because she has some really incredible reflection questions in this episode. So I hope that you love it. Let us know what you think. Follow us on Instagram at Rochelle Christian and then at Ashley Mosaic. Everything that you need to know is down the show notes. If you go down there and click everything, go follow Ashley if you're not already following her.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, rate, review, subscribe, share with a friend if it resonates. It really really does help the podcast. Follow me on all socials Instagram, tiktok, youtube, all the ways. Everything is down below and I will talk to you later. Today I have Ashley Mosaic here with me and I'm really excited to dive into everything that you do, because I went and looked on Instagram and everything and there's just I feel like there's so much and it's so interesting, like I was immediately captivated by like all that you do, like astrology, human design, gene keys, hypnotherapy, futuristic speaker. I was like this is fascinating, so I'm really excited to get to know you and understand everything that you have to offer and, if you want to start with, if you're open to sharing your human design and astrology and maybe anything about that that really stands out to you or kind of shaped who you are, how you do things.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Well, thank you so much. I love that. All of the different aspects of what I do people find intriguing, and I feel this speaks to the movement that society is is experiencing. Before, all of those words would have been things that would have almost, like, created a sense of divide with people because there's confusion there. But now people are intrigued, so I love that.
Speaker 2:My human design, so I am a 1 generator and in my natal chart of astrology I have a Capricorn stellium, an Aquarius moon, and it was I've always been fascinated by the stars. When I was little, I would just stare at the stars and I was fascinated by it. It just felt like there was like a message for me in it and because I you know it was, obviously I didn't have all of the awareness that I have now is like, I don't know, maybe I'm going to be an astronaut, so I would get all of these like planetary subscriptions. I had all the stars on my room. I had a little, um, yeah, I had a planetarium in my room, but then I had all these different like planet subscriptions and all these different things, and then my telescope got stolen and, for whatever reason, I was just like, well, all right. I mean, I guess, I guess that's it, and I don't know why I thought that, but it was just like I must have been just going through something when I was like in middle school or I was like, oh, whatever, I'll just kind of you know, and I don't remember what I got into instead of that. But I started in high school, starting and started studying, like the universal laws and different religions and just this connection to all that is, and really wanting to feel this like expanded awareness that there's got to be a lot more going on than what our general awareness is and what society seems to be okay with thinking. Then I don't remember exactly, I don't remember the order of it, but it was first astrology.
Speaker 2:I got really deep into astrology, and when I started learning astrology, it felt like that was the easiest thing I've ever picked up in my entire life, and that's not something I will say about a lot of things, just that it felt like for sure I had done this before. I was just like. I felt like I was just really just like being activated with this information. With that, though, I felt this incredible sense of connection and this incredible sense with myself, but then also with everything. Because while I was really diving deep into astrology, I was noticing these different transits and how they were playing out, not only in my own life but in the collective experience, and I had several realizations of thinking, okay, well, if this and this is true, then there's no way that, like these, certain events won't soon happen. And all of those things did soon happen.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't that it was like an exact you know exactly forecasting a specific event, a specific day, although sometimes it was, but a lot of. It was these larger cycles and these waves that we were I could see coming in for like the collective experience. But then all of that with my own self, then I thought, okay, knowing my astrology is one thing, but what do I do with it? How do I put this into practice? I don't want this to feel like it's just.
Speaker 2:I'm able to see like, oh, there's my greatness, but how do I do it? Or think, oh, okay, there's a challenge, but what do I do about it? And that's what led me then to human design and gene keys. And it was in each of those, the learning those, it was this greater sense of oh, I get it now. I get it now and I think that's just a huge part of everybody's journey is having this level of awareness for all of you, all the aspects of you, but then also a deeper level of understanding and self-compassion as to the things, the experiences, the relationships, all of the different aspects of your life that really have contributed to the highs and the lows, and realizing that, in some shape, way or form, all of it is designed to prepare and equip you for where it is you are designed to go.
Speaker 1:I love that. Yeah, I think that is like the most powerful thing about these modalities is that it sort of allows you to accept yourself and like stop resisting all these things that we think we're supposed to be. You know, like I didn't really discover it until I was 31. That's when I discovered human design, I mean astrology. I was like that kid that like I read all the horoscopes any like book or magazine you could give me. I was reading my horoscopes and I was like, oh, it's going to happen, it's going to be true. But I didn't really get into astrology deeply until I found human design and then I was like, hold on a second. I'm more than just a Taurus sun. It blew my mind and then I quickly that just opened this whole other field to me, sort of like you said, I feel like that called to me in such a different and unique way that I was able to see just, I guess, differently through that lens.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think it's so beautiful and just like allowing us to sort of like accept all of these pieces of ourselves. And you did share your birth time with me, so I did take a peek before and I looked at your Instagram and I was like she's got to have Aquarius in there somewhere. And then I saw Aquarius moon. I was like, make so much sense, even like the words, right, which I think is so beautiful about you know human design and astrology. We can speak to people and you just pick out these little words that they use like huh, and then literally most of the time, like it's true, you know it, like it brings true. So how do you like, how do you kind of like, marry all of these like tools, specifically with this, like futuristic, like speaking and ideas, cause it's so fascinating, right, and I think so many of us are just like looking at the past and what we did wrong, or like being stuck, and it's just a really interesting, I guess, perspective.
Speaker 2:I believe that all of us are here to do a thing in a specific way, and when we do that thing in a specific way, it helps everyone. But in order for us to do those things and in that specific way, we have to learn, we have to grow, we have to be equipped, we have to be prepared, we have to be activated and optimized. Somebody can come into this. We can say, maybe somebody wants to come into this reality and they may think, okay, I'm going to come in, I'm going to do this thing. How are you going to remember what you came here to do if it's not met with? You're always met with these what feels like opposition battles, these experiences that force you to develop the strengths that you need to do the things you came here to do. So I believe that when we are looking at these charts so you're looking at astrology or in these other systems they all grant us access to patterns and cycles that are occurring otherwise unconsciously. So they're happening either way, but when we align with it, this is like the greatest life hack ever. And they're happening in our own lives individually, but then also on the collective, so we can see how we can really like really almost.
Speaker 2:I have this visual when I'm working with my clients, when I'm marrying these different systems, like you said, the human design, the Jenkins in astrology.
Speaker 2:It's like I see this matrix when I'm looking at the different charts.
Speaker 2:So if you view the natal chart as a two-dimensional and you have three-dimensional and you have four-dimensional, before you know it you have this entire matrix of somebody's energetics and these can seem very esoteric, but I think there's actually an incredible amount of practicality to it, especially when you look to the reasons why you would want to lean into these systems. We have to always be grounded. We can't just go further, out and out and out and out, without grounding, because that's where people get things like spiritual psychosis and it's also where you realize you can't do, you can't create impact If you are just a brain, you are just a computer in a head. You have to have the energetics and that's another really big part of my story is being forced to realize that over and over and over and over and over again is I can have the foresight, I can have what feels like being borderline psychic and really having this incredible ability to see how all the dots connect. But if I am not in my body. I never line up with the greatness that I have forecasted.
Speaker 2:So it's really important for people to be incredibly grounded, like be grounded, be in your body and otherwise these systems, they don't seem as practical, they lack a sense of practicality and then it just seems like it's just an interesting little thing to explore or, worse yet, it can seem just like a party trick when you're so useful. So practical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree so much. It's so important to come into here. I'm a Taurus sun, so I feel like just that in itself. I feel like that my body and my grounding and things like that is so important, and that was when I first learned it too. I was like you have to have that piece too. I think so many of us we do get taken away with yeah, the ideas and we're very much like in our head, but also that spiritual part, right, and it's like what they say we're. We're spiritual beings having human experience and with that, human experience requires the body and so to like ignore it. So when you're looking at like somebody comes to you and you're looking at their chart, you're seeing these patterns throughout, like the chart or their life.
Speaker 2:or you're like looking at like historical, like cycles of like when these planets is that kind of how it is, or specific to that, all of the above it's recognizing these, so how these different systems are interconnected and then how they are connected within their own life and then how those in their own life is then interconnected with everything that's happening. So something right off the bat is just yeah, looking at just the basics of the chart and within even the charts from the human design, the gene keys and astrology or natal chart, you can see these things that are saying the same things, even if they're actually not pointing to the same thing. That's something that's really interesting to recognize that, even if you didn't have, say, it's like three different aspects we're looking at, even if you didn't have this one, but you just had these two, that would be a lot. Then you have this one here and they're all saying the same thing, but they're actually. They could even be dealing with different planets, they could be dealing with different activations, but they're all essentially saying the same thing. And once somebody hears that, it's as if their subconscious mind is activated and they receive information that they essentially have been trying to get through to themselves this whole time, and whether it is simply having a level of permission or acceptance, or it's the motivation, it's the inspiration that that person needs in that moment. But it's also recognizing where you have thought this before, you have experienced this before, where you are just spiraling upwards experiencing the same thing again, and this is where you can just see even somebody's right out.
Speaker 2:Another thing is really simple to look at is when you just look to, okay, if what was going on 19 years ago, maybe you were in a very different phase in your life, but more than likely there was a similar kind of kickoff energy that was happening. I've had clients where it actually seemed so literal like they will move again to the same place. So it's like, okay, there's obviously this unconscious pattern that is playing out. So how can you bring awareness to it and make sure that now you are using this intentionally to it? And make sure that now you are using this intentionally, because a part of us is connected to all that is in ways that our conscious, logical, cognitive mind can't quite pick up.
Speaker 2:So when we look to our charts better understanding of ourself, better understanding of our cycles and then also, how do we lean into our uniqueness, our idiosyncrasies, to align with these larger collective cycles it's, on the one hand, there's a part of me that, even as I say all of that, I'm like I sound like a crazy person saying this, but I've seen it hundreds of times. There's just something that is so, as is with it, and I am always open to whenever I so. When it comes to what astrology is, I don't know, I do not know exactly what it is, so I would I love to like still have that level of exploration, like getting new data so I can generate a better understanding. But whether it is truly something within our energetics or it simply is a system that is timed up with these other cycles and patterns that are playing out, it grants us access to it and I'm just, I'm amazed. I'm amazed every day with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like it's really hard to deny when you look back just through historical patterns and cycles and how it aligns. And we've been using this system since before we had any sort of technology. This was the technology right Hundreds of thousands of years ago. So it's so fascinating to me that I love when there's a new cycle happening. But you can look back and we're seeing these things repeating. It's really really incredible. As far as people's specific charts right now, is there anything that you are looking at just to see patterns of what they can? I don't know if expect is the right word, but but understand about themselves.
Speaker 2:Big component, right now let me, just, right after that's, like so many like things that came to me in that moment, a huge one is recognizing what were the large areas of what felt like psychological death and rebirths from these last 16 years, having having Pluto and Capricorn. What areas, what area of your life, what areas of your life, what experiences really brought you face to face with? Where your power is inverted, where you are not sovereign, you are not, you are not this extreme powerful force for your own good in your own life, and that right, there is something that seems to be shining an incredible amount of light on people in their lives Just recognizing as well, of where your power wasn't inverted. It was essentially inverted. But more important than that, though, is what responsibility can you take for it all? If we do not take responsibility for things that happen to us, even if you, even if it's something that actually wasn't your fault? In a logical sense, the sooner you're able to essentially eat more responsibility, the sooner you are the person who is better because of it, the person who was no longer the person who those types of things happened to, and that right, there is something really big.
Speaker 2:I've just been working with my clients, my individual clients and also when I hold workshops. That's a huge thing right there. And then building onto that is knowing where in your chart then Pluto is now. So where are you designed to take all that you learned to improve yourself to now truly expand that energy. So that's a huge right there. But then it's really it's. We have every single planet changing and changing signs this year. There's just an incredible amount of change. And something else is I ask people you know, what advice would you give to yourself in 2020 right now? Whatever that advice is, guarantee you will be better if you optimize and you optimize yourself and you embody that, that advice right now, because it's going to be incredibly relative and it's yeah, I always ask people just what advice would you give to the 2020 version of you? And now, how can we get that?
Speaker 2:advice now and run with it. That is a way to really be prepared. I like to tell people, as long as you stay ready, you never got to get ready, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that gave me like full body chills because I mean, for me personally, 2020, you know, I mean that was a huge year for everyone. I lost my job due to COVID because we completely shut down, but even thinking like this year for me, so Uranus has been over my son and Taurus like directly on it and what? Two weeks ago I quit my nine to five. I was like I can't be like suffocated like this anymore. So I feel like I'm just like burning everything to the ground and it's sort of that same, that same energy, and I was thinking of like what I would have said to myself at that time, you know, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that that was so powerful. So I hope everybody like goes back and listens to that and really journals on that Cause that's such a powerful question and a great place to start, I think, for the energy of right now.
Speaker 2:What advice would you give to yourself in 2020?
Speaker 1:To go all in.
Speaker 1:Because, I was like I had just started this you know, my coaching business and the podcast and so I kind of like was still afraid of going in, you know, and I was like I lost my job. So I figured I would give it some time, but then I got distracted by all the noise, you know. So when I look back, like that's what I would have done, I would have gone harder into this. So when I look back, like that's what I would have done, I would have gone harder into this, so yeah.
Speaker 2:I think there's the fact that you didn't then, and now that you are, there's a lot that you've learned from then to now. Right, it's also in this understanding that when because it's easy for a lot of people, even when I give them that little exercise to to immediately kind of think I would have done this and then I should have done that, and now they're like, oh, don't buy it, I went it's like no, no, no, no, no, you weren't ready. Then, right, there was some component that you knew was either not activated, the alignment wasn't there. But the fact that you can now see that so clearly speaks to the that that now is the right time. Yeah, yeah, I think be so incredibly guided by your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was so much work that had to be done. What do you feel like would have been your advice to yourself?
Speaker 2:And that was an interesting year for me. So that was so. The the Saturn Pluto South node conjunction that happened directly on my son. That was very impactful. Whether it was really the energy or it was an alignment of cycles, that certainly was incredibly significant for me in my life. It was. It created this, this catalyst in my life, bringing to awareness every subconscious, limitation, block belief that I that I had and prior to even to it was to 2018, I was telling people whoa, looking at the astrology, something insane is going to happen in 2020. It's going to change the world forever.
Speaker 2:I said all these different things, and so then, when this was playing out, I wasn't really worried about things because I had this sense of there's just this cyclical component to this, that everything is happening exactly as it is supposed to happen.
Speaker 2:And a lot of different things happened in my own life at that time. Things happened in my own life at that time. So my advice to myself, like damn, would have been just because other people don't see, what it is that you can see doesn't mean that you're wrong. And I see now that my entire life has been guiding me to say develop like thicker skin. Guiding me to say develop like thicker skin, right Thicker skin, and an ability to dance through the storms a little bit more, rather than wearing battles like they require this huge level of endurance to recognize that it's simply part of part of the dance and to continue to. To speak your truth and, yeah, this is a very, very interesting time in the world, right for every, for everyone. But the fact that I had the pluto saturn south node conjunction like that happened partly on my son, it's like it was this really bizarro, bizarro time for, yeah, for everyone. But I, yeah, my advice would always be around the idea of just because people don't see what you see doesn't mean that you're wrong.
Speaker 1:In fact, this is actually guiding you to your purpose and to stand on business, but with an open heart yeah, I think there's always a unique challenge when you see something that everybody sees, to be able to stand in that and to move forward with that, because so many of like the most innovative like products out there. Somebody once said that person was crazy, you know, and so there was. I think it's really takes a lot of work and inner work and trial and error, really, and all that, to stand in your truth and like move forward with that. So I think that's so powerful and such a beautiful lesson and learning to be able to just like stand firm in that, because I, with all the human design and astrology knowledge and information, I think that is the most challenging thing.
Speaker 2:right Is to see it and be like this is just who I am and I'm going to embody it, you know that's where a lot of us, exactly and as well as we have a tendency to dismiss or diminish the the the things that come easily to us, and when we do that, we fail to recognize that those are actually our gifts.
Speaker 2:The things that come easily to us are our gifts. We have a tendency to place more weight on the things that we tried, worked so hard to be good at this very thing. It's because there's like so much, there was more effort put into that, but it's the sense of ease guides us to the things that are innate within us, our innate strengths. So when you have an innate strength that is different than somebody else's and good, because we don't need to all have the same strengths it's can be very difficult to not do not realize like, oh wait, other people aren't seeing what it is that you see and or they can't do what you can do. They it's. It's also just us breaking out of this homogenized tribal energy that is empowering the individuals. But yeah, and it's this second half of the 2020s is where we're really seeing a lot of activation and a lot of this breaking out of the mold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think Continue.
Speaker 1:Sorry, interrupted.
Speaker 2:I was going to say this we're just seeing. I think as well within this journey, is people are recognizing where it was actually themselves that was creating the block, and that's a huge component with having Pluto and Capricorn the last 16 years was recognizing where your power is inverted, but where are you still allowing for yourself to be confined by these outdated beliefs?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that is so powerful. Just the conversation around how we're always, I feel like looking to somebody else's gifts, right, that's something that I've been really reflecting on recently too, exactly what you said, where it's like we have, I feel, like the things that we're good at because they're easy, we don't see them as being gifts and we overlook them and we look to the next person and be like, oh my gosh, they're an amazing, I don't know speaker or whatever it is. And then we're we're spending so much of our energy chasing something that's not innate within us, like sure, we can grow skills, like that's not. It's not to say like shy away from things that are hard, but I think that we're not looking back in.
Speaker 1:In my personal experience, the most recent like nine to five that I had was I spent a majority of my time forcing things that didn't come natural to me, and so I don't know if it was your honest, my 10,000, my son was just like let's not do this anymore. I don't know what it was, but I was like I refuse to be in a situation where I cannot shine because I'm spending so much time trying to embody something that I'm not, and so I was like I just it was so uncomfortable and I'm sure that that's that Pluto right. Like that Pluto energy is just always like it's so slow, but it's like showing us through that discomfort. You know the things that don't, that don't really work anymore. But yeah, that's just been a huge, massive realization for me recently. It's like let's just move more towards what we are good at, because when we, I feel like, cultivate those skills, it's like you can really do what you're designed to do.
Speaker 2:And then it's also it's recognizing that, just as you are, really, you have these innate skills and gifts. So do other people. So it's this really new way of viewing everyone else, right when we think about a gift. Right, gifts aren't just for ourselves. Gifts are designed to be shared. Therefore, everybody has these different innate gifts and skills in themselves and this truly allows us to, as a collective, have this higher level of consciousness. When we begin viewing everyone in that way, recognizing that people's differences are not something for us to be threatened by, but rather everybody's difference is actually how we are designed to connect. So, even though we can think, yes, absolutely, if we truly all think about that, we all have these like Ooh, ooh, ooh, little, like little mind blow moments of where you're like, oh, I guess, yeah, I can see where maybe I'm. I don't. I don't always think that way, or I do kind of, because we've been conditioned. We've all been conditioned by this like machine that we've all been living in and it and it's. It's also when recognizing when we all are having these you know multiple levels of awareness and awakenings, these, you know those multiple levels of awareness and awakenings, how we've been conditioned, but then that's designed to activate this new inquiry into? Okay, well, where else are you still like abiding by some type of restriction or rule or program that you don't, that isn't actually aligned with what you know to be the truth? And how do you see, like the astrology, let's just say like, of this year, people's ability to navigate uncertainty. Change is essential, but it's also in recognizing that, when things can change really quickly, what do you have to do to align yourself with that so that the change is something that is incredibly favorable, right, and it's also allowing for yourself to dream, allow for yourself to move out of that what is what has been, and reconnect with some of that dream, some of that, that, that vision. A lot of people, they feel like a little bit like maybe their spirit has been kind of busted or they've had to, you know, have these certain realizations and all of these things that, without the proper perspective, can make it feel like, well, you just got to go and make whatever you got, make that work right, like dream a little smaller. And it's like, oh, you just got to go and make whatever you got, make that work right, like dream a little smaller. And it's like, oh, that's like that soul crushing thing right there. So allow for yourself to allow for yourself to dream, allow for yourself to reconnect with something that actually feels exciting. Right, and now? How are you going to move in that direction?
Speaker 2:This is where you, then you get clear on these idiosyncrasies of yours that are actually your strengths. This might be even asking yourself a few questions, such as you know what are? You know what are the things about you that other people would recognize to be like your quirks? Right, you're off the bat. What are the things that other? What pieces of advice do people come to you for? Right, those things right there. They point you to these things that, whether or not you see them in yourself, other people see them in you. Then it's, how can you lean into those and how can you grant yourself yourself permission to embody those? Use those to align with that vision, that dream that you have, and recognize that, even if you doubt it in the moment.
Speaker 2:Do whatever you got to do to allow for yourself to hold on to a piece of the belief that it is happening for you that if something has to fall apart, it does. It has to, it has to leave because you're not letting it. Otherwise, it requires some kind of a tower moment for that to happen, and we're going to see a lot of those, a lot of tower moments. So make that work in your favor. And there's an incredible amount of change. And we're just even looking to things, like you know, from the financial world to now, the AI infrastructure, to all of these different aspects.
Speaker 2:There are so many things happening now that just a few years ago would have seemed like the absolute most craziest. That can never happen. So, therefore, life really only makes sense in reverse. It only makes sense in reverse, but we have to keep going forward. So it's also suspending a little bit of judgment Every day. Suspend some judgment to recognize that if you have this feeling, you have this vision, this way in which you feel like you're supposed to be doing these certain things, but the pieces just aren't in alignment yet, you have to recognize that. That is where, when people say things right, it's like the how is not yours to figure out, and it's because there's so much happening so quickly right now that it might be like the very path that you will take is currently being formed right now. But it's take the step, the path will appear.
Speaker 1:And how do we ground in like with all of this chaos and change?
Speaker 2:Is make sure that every day, you are doing something to connect with your body. There's a lot of different reasons why people live in their head. Right, it can be things like trauma, it can be just from they feel so uncomfortable. There are so many different reasons that people do and rather than feeling like you always need to figure out either why you do this or the why that if that is helpful, you can do that, but for some people it's just realizing that you have to just create new habits. You have to create a new baseline for yourself and if you are used to living in your head, it's, what can you do throughout the day really is just ground yourself into your body.
Speaker 2:I like to do just some simple little check-ins, is just even something. Wherever you are sitting, it's like do reference points around you? Like okay, there's a wall about like 12 feet ahead of me. You know over there's a couch. Do these little reference points as it puts you back into this like zero point energy in your body of like, okay, yes, you may be this brilliant, this brilliant computer brain, but it is inside of this magnificent body and there's an incredible amount of awareness that you have when you are in your body and also it's where your power is. And when you're in your head, it's so often because you are trying to anticipate the future or even unconsciously, you're trying to fix something that happened in the past, and although even though your conscious mind knows that you can't do that, your unconscious mind has no concept of the time that it is. So that needs to be also anchored into this moment, to be also anchored into this moment, small little reference check-in points.
Speaker 2:You can even just like tap on your body. When I feel myself getting a little anxious, I will just like tap on my body and it's like, okay, yeah, that's right, okay, yeah, yeah, you're back, you're back, you're back in your body, and that has been something that is such a simple little tweak and it has had a massive, massive return for me I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I I think in the last like two months I've really incorporated just like the like tapping in the morning I'll journal and I'll do like a quick five minute tapping and I think it just like roots you down into like and obviously, you know, sets the stage for the rest of your day. It's it's really powerful.
Speaker 2:I like that one and I've been out even things of where it's like dealing with the, dealing with the chakras. But I've recognized that, even with myself, is that I have tendency to still think I'm doing that work but I'm still only doing it like through the head Right.
Speaker 2:So it's really, it's like you have to be very literal with some of these things. Like you can't just go and learn about, read a book about grounding, you know it's like, okay, great, you know a lot, but are you doing it? Are you actually putting it into practice? You can, you know, use these different. Like you can, you know, light a candle that is for the root chakra, but it's like that has no what it's not actually doing. It's light a candle that is for the root chakra, but it's like that pet has no what it is not actually doing. It's not doing anything. In that sense, it may be doing something on an intellectual level and I do believe that the mind controls the body, but sometimes you got to remind the body of that, you got to remind the body of that. Yeah, the mind can be tricky.
Speaker 1:Yes, really tricky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the mind can be tricky yes, really tricky, and the more I study, you know really deep into you know different types of technology, and the more that I study, you know AI and these and these different agents and all these different aspects that are coming out and without our ability to utilize that technology from the space of our body, who was here to do things? You just live in the head and it's like the psychosis truly, truly is something that a lot of people deal with and I don't think a lot of people really talk about it, because I think a lot of people either they're like in this high of connecting all these dots in the universe and if they're in it, they don't want to hear about it and they have some kind of like a crash, and then it's just these cycles play out and the more someone's able to have an awareness of where they are at in time in space, in their body, it's a game changer.
Speaker 1:Can you go a little deeper into that concept that you just spoke to about, just like studying AI and how it's actually really these tools that like I'm trying to like? Please place that together in my mind of how that shows up.
Speaker 2:So something I always say is, as human consciousness expands, technology accelerates in tandem. I believe that so much of this technology it's not actually new, rather, it is new to us. But it is only with our expanded levels of awareness do we even have the ability to recognize this technology. So it's as we become more aware we have new goals and we need new tools to help us do those very things. But we need to be able to spot this out there so that we can use that as a reflection point of ourselves. And I just think it's fascinating. We're seeing things like the.
Speaker 2:So recently there was the Stargate initiative. There's this like 500 billion plus minimum investment going into advancing the AI infrastructure in the United States. And the Stargate project is a really interesting name for this project to be, because the Stargate project was this top secret government initiative from 1978 to 1995. 1995, that was all around studying psychic phenomena and astral projection, all of these different things. So now, like a couple decades later, this same name is revived and reused in a different way. But I can't help but wonder if all of the ways in which actually there's such a level of intentionality to that and I know that could just be one example where somebody might think that's entirely a psyop, but having that being named that. But to me it was this little nod from the universe of like exactly that we now have this technology that is becoming so powerful but yet it is named the very same project that was all around exploring the potential for human consciousness to expand time and space. So it's this connection point of our innate technology being reflected and activated and enhanced then by this technology that we that is outside right, it's, it's, it's an outer technology, but the connection with our inner technology is undeniable to me and it's something that more people are going to realize. And this is where I always advise my clients. And every time that you learn like a new piece of technology, a new tool, it's reflect on how this is mirroring, like something within yourself and also how it's designed to bring you back to yourself, right.
Speaker 2:So, even off the top of mind, whether somebody is just using they're using ChatGPT to help them organize their thoughts, it's like okay. So it's just literally, this is, you are just using this as this sounding board. It is this sounding board that is helping you make sense of your really brilliant big ideas. And there's so many people they'll use ChatGPT and just a simple way of that, and all of a sudden they're like, oh my gosh, that's brilliant, and it's like it's all the things that you were saying you just needed to have something outside of yourself. Help you arrange them in a way that equips you to now move forward with them.
Speaker 2:But when we're then looking to, it's like super intelligence and quantum computing. That is, without a doubt, this reflection of our ability to pull essentially information out of this hive mind and our ability to access information at rapid speeds. Well, through the technology, but also through ourself. But we have to drop a little bit of some of this judgment that we have around how we are getting this information and what to allow ourselves to lean into deeper.
Speaker 1:That's fascinating, I know. Even like over the last few years, I've seen like declassified articles here and there from CIA and like I don't watch the news so I don't know if it's like widespread or cause, I just see it like here and there. But I'm like, why are we not talking more about like those experiments that have been done or things where they talk about ash projection or you know, know, there's so much within these like files that they've experimented with and have proven to be accurate and we're still, like as a society I feel like denying those things. But yeah, it's so fascinating too with the chat gpt, like I just like the way that it gets to know you and like viewing it as like a mirroring tool as opposed to something that's taking the power from you. Um, it seems like you're more on the side of like allowing these tools to like to benefit us and further us, versus because I think there's a whole group of people that are, like this, destroying the world.
Speaker 1:And you know, I mean I know, even like you know, the way my parents talk about my daughter and the phone and technology, and I'm like, but there's also so much beautiful things with this technology, you know, even look at social media. People, you know, speak very badly of social media and it's destroying society. But I'm like I've had the most incredible connections online, like when I go on my feed, I see inspiration, I see expansion, I see human design, astrology, like I see all these things. I rarely see the really negative stuff, maybe because I just scroll past it and algorithm's like oh, she doesn't like it, but it's mirroring our internal right, even if it is an algorithm.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It also requires intentionality. It requires intentionality. The thing about this technology rapidly accelerating is, if we have a with with conscious awareness, with intentionality, this technology can liberate humanity in so many ways, so many ways, ways that we don't even realize that we are like, essentially like trapped by. It can liberate us in so many ways, by it can liberate us in so many ways. But if we are using this technology to replace, like our humanness, the aspects of ourselves that are this like innate, brilliant, human, that's when we're going to this, like dystopian path, is absolutely something that could happen. So, whenever you are using this technology or co-collaborating with this technology is utilize it in ways that enhances your humanness, right. So if somebody loves writing, don't have it. Write a book for you.
Speaker 2:Right, have it, flesh out some of your ideas and it's co-collaborate with this technology just in ways that enhances you and enhances humanity. Technology, just in ways that enhances you and enhances humanity. But what's happened is a lot of us, we have been conditioned to think that our you know, our worth comes from our productivity, and even being idle in this space of like stillness can be very uncomfortable people. So, rather than allow for this like blank canvas, you little moment in your life where you don't know what to actually hook your brain into, we have a tendency to hook our brain into like, go and solve this thing. So now we're like, so we are trying to. Essentially, we, we have been operating like, like machines, operating like machines, so somebody's operating like a machine, and now they are threatened by this technology operating like a better machine.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is going to be problematic, but we have to recognize that we are so much more than just a machine, just a machine, and that, right, there is the very thing why technology it actually demands for us to embrace our humanness, otherwise we will be outmachined by the machines, like, without a doubt.
Speaker 2:I almost say it's funny to me because, without a doubt, it's funny to me because, without a doubt, also, if you think about it, somebody is doing a job that they don't really like doing. Without a doubt, a machine will do it better than you, because you don't even have the passion, your heart's not in it, and because of those two things alone it's amplifying and increasing the likelihood of human error of all these different things, because you're not actually, you don't feel connected to it, but a lot of people don't know what they feel connected to and there's a lot of shame and a lot of people feel very uncomfortable with that Of not knowing what makes you not a machine. People are, like they get really tense around that, like so, like why are you here? Like what do you think your soul came here to do? And if people don't know, they get really uncomfortable. And when we get really uncomfortable we look for distractions, and so often we look for distractions in these things that are connected to tasks that this technology can absolutely do better, faster, far more efficiently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't remember who said it, but somebody was talking about creativity and if you were having problems being creative or you couldn't think of anything, pause and meditate. And I think that it is that not distracting yourself and outsourcing to everything else. The fact of just, or the act of just coming and sitting in silence for even two minutes, just kind of clears some of that away. Like, I sometimes watch my kids and my son is eight but he'll like be playing PS4. And then when there's a pause in the game, he turns on his iPad and I'm like hold on a second Because it's constant distraction. Right, there's no just like sitting or like being creative.
Speaker 1:So you, you know, we go through phases where I completely take everything away and the amazing, like the amount of stuff that they will do and create and design and, you know, act out or whatever it's like you just that like remembering that we have that ability within us, right outside of all that. So I think that's so important to sort of like remember that and come back to that, whether, whatever modality you use, right To just kind of like come back and be like I hold this power, and I think that that reframe right Of just like AI is actually mirroring what we already have inside. I actually haven't heard it said that way, and I think that's incredible. Because that's that's so empowering, because it would be easy to look at all this and feel so disempowered, but to know that this is just like If we didn't have the awareness that was ready for it, it wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't be here. We see this in the technology, but then even in these larger changing infrastructures and ecosystems. I've been really involved in blockchain technology for many, many years and one of the things that got me involved in it was seeing the astrology play out, but it was also in recognizing the need for greater levels of transparency that will allow for what we can consider to be like fairness in ways that will allow for society to blossom and bloom, but really it's to allow for humans to have greater levels of consciousness and greater levels of awareness. So we can see that it's happening just in these individual technologies, but in the way in which everything is holistic and everything is connected. Everything plays this really integral and beautiful part in the whole right. If you can hear my my dog snoring, he's snoring very loudly.
Speaker 1:No, my kids started acting up before and I was like, oh my gosh I hope the mic isn't picking it up, but life is there like an area. So I have like a couple of questions and I'll try and do one at a time, cause they're kind of like jumbled in. But so, first of all, if we're looking at human design, we're seeing the patterns and things like that and the way that things are happening. Now where it's, there are things happening that have not happened in our lifetimes before, or like ever. Right, how are we like, how do you utilize that information or, like I don't know, predict or just like see those patterns and things that haven't necessarily, because I feel like every like so many times in the last like few years there's always something that this never happened before. Right, there's these massive, energetic, like huge things happening.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think, that's going to continue to happen and I always wonder but I imagine it must be that within every time in history, people thought that they were living in the most interesting time, right? So maybe we always live in a time that we think is interesting, or I guess, if you want that, I feel like that's all that I would do. I want the interesting because I find inspiration and hope and interesting and innovation and all of this, and I find expansion in that and exploring the unknown. But if we are constantly living in, through these times of never before, it's recognizing, then that wow, if you are constantly experiencing these never before things, whether it's related to the world or related to astrology, it's why you really came here to do a thing, right? You didn't just come here to just kind of like la la, la, la la and just like bide your time, and you came here to obviously go through experiences that were designed to be these catalystic moments in your life and knowing that you are intricately connected with the whole your own awakening, your own hardships, your own breakdowns, your own wins all of that is playing a really important role, not just to in your life and for your family and for the evolution of your soul, but for the evolution of consciousness.
Speaker 2:And I think, just right there, just having that level of awareness is something that really allows for people to at least have a new perspective around their challenges and how they are connected to the whole and to constantly be living through never before, never before, times Like wow, like you must really be here to do a thing and you must be really special, right, and and honoring that within yourself. It grants people this new level of permission to also think okay, well, if that was true, what would I be doing differently? What do I know I would not be doing. Oh, okay, and it's like, yeah, there's awareness, but awareness without action can sometimes create more problems.
Speaker 2:Right, because it's like that's talking about psychosis again, because you're like right up in the head, because you're like I know all this stuff and I can't unknow it, but I can't do anything about it. So this is just hell. And it's like, yes, that is like a hell, so what are you going to do about it? So I see why you know I joke that I'll be like I get why not everybody wants to awaken, or I get why you know self-awareness not for everyone, it is for everyone and there are multiple levels of it.
Speaker 2:And no matter where you are in your life, even if somebody thinks that they are the most self-aware person, guaranteed, there are still a million blind spots that they have. But by constantly pulling the mirror out on yourself and being like, hey, if this were to be true, what would I be doing differently? If this were to be true, how is this experience right now designed to guide me, to teach me, tell us what I can grow so that I can become better? Right, and it's when you live your life that way you begin to tap more into the moments versus the minutes. And there's even the idea that there's two different types of time. There's Kronos time and then Kairos time, so they're both based on Greek mythology.
Speaker 2:Kronos time is chronological time and in Greek mythology it's Kronos. The god of time is one of the youngest gods, but he looks the oldest. And the myth behind him is that he was so fearful of like one of his children, even like taking over his whole kingdom, that if he had a baby, he would eat it. So it was like time devouring itself. But Kairos time Kairos was a God who was one of the oldest but he looked the youngest. He was like super, super chill dude. He had this like this ball, but he had a long ponytail and the thought there was that you, when like a moment passes, you have to grab the moment. But whereas Cairo Kronos, time happens minute to minute. Moment to moment is Cairo's time, so it's living in the moment. When we think of these like divine, magical moments, these like quantum leaps in our life, it's multiple things lined up in such a way to create the perfect moment. So somebody can go through an experience that seems absolutely devastating and if you're in the devastation and you're already going through something else, it can be more likely that you may not align with that moment because this thing happened. You need to have that thing happen in this time, in this cycle, and you need to have this level of awareness for you to see, oh my gosh, this is a thing that's going to get me to move in a new direction, the thing that's going to get me to actually awaken to the truth of who I am, or that awareness, that thing might be the thing that is going to have you go around the block again, because it's something you needed to learn. So look at our life just in that way of sometimes it is slowing down, turning inwards, allowing for all the events around you to kind of slow down, for you to have a new level of awareness. And I think that probably is like the process right there of of awakening. But when you also take that even one level a little bit deeper, you also have the awareness around this way that you're feeling, or this that's being activated in you.
Speaker 2:If this is something that seems like a negative experience, like is this the one, the first time this has ever happened? Is this like? Is this actually just this like? Because usually it's not right, it's connected to something else. So it's what in your life is getting louder and louder and louder and louder and louder for you to actually listen and do something about. And that's when you align with those moments when you offer yourself to have a new perspective on something that's happening, and even talking about the idea that life only makes sense in reverse. If you look at past experiences as data, that then helps you be even more confident in certain convictions that you may have, more confident in certain convictions that you may have, especially pertaining to your truth, what you're here to do, your innate skills and how to use those to help others.
Speaker 1:I love that. I have two more questions. And so for you having an Aquarius moon and then you have an undefined solar plexus, correct? So how has, or how have emotions played a part in your experience and your journey and like, maybe, how has your relationship changed with them?
Speaker 2:So I want to say like, can I have the bad? It would be like not a fan, don't like, don't like, I'm not a fan. Um, I say that jokingly. But also a lot of truth, an incredible amount of truth in there. So in human design I have my moon in gate 13 in line one. So that in human design that is the gate of the listener, the gate of secrets, fellowship of man. It's thought to be where all of the secrets are stored of the collective and it's not connected. I have an undefined throat and it's not connected. I have an undefined throat, so it's not connected to 33. So that alone is signify somebody that I don't feel a pressure to like share people's secrets.
Speaker 2:I take in a lot of people's awareness stories and I feel I have this certain level of immediate understanding and I've always been really great at putting myself in somebody else's shoes. That is something that I'm more energetically and say like predisposed or conditioned to be like quote, unquote good at. But then also my growing up experience made that like a hypervigilant thing in my life. So when a lot of people talk about like the empath the empath energy isn't, I will say now I'll go on a limb and say it's really an empowering thing, like it is great to be able to have a sense of being able to connect with other people and but until you have an incredible level of awareness and truly skill with that, it can feel so overwhelming that you just want those feelings to go away. You just you'll do anything just to have that feeling go away and I feel like that was a big part of my life. So when I saw that in my human design, I was like you've got to be freaking, kidding me. Like seeing that, as it was a huge, huge moon moon there, and then also having the undefined solar plexus. So additionally in my undefined solar plexus I have I have gate six and and 49, both like they had the hanging gates, and so gate and six, which is gate of friction. I, that's where I have my designed moon. So in gene keys that is thought. This is like this is like this wound, this like energy that you came to move through. So for me it was also. I had a I have a little like misunderstanding within my energetic body that I thought of emotions as being conflict. So it was like oh, like everything was like oh, I'm feeling in a way, I'm feeling bad, I'm feeling away. I for you, I'm feeling for you, I'm feeling for you.
Speaker 2:Feelings and emotions were never something that was as beautiful thing. It was just like if I could just turn it off, I would like. I feel like I would have wanted to. It was. I felt the weight of everything all the time, and I had to. I was forced to realize the implications of that so many times in my life, and it's not just in the weight of it, but it's also when making decisions or feeling like I didn't have a decision, because the weight of that was just this.
Speaker 2:I would feel like I was consumed constantly by everything. It was like I would talk about wanting to be this like sovereign individual. It was not. It was not. I was so consumed by things around me and that was where I had to reach a breaking point and be like there's no way. I came to reality just to like to reality just to like be like imprisoned by the emotions.
Speaker 2:And I also realized that through enough experiences I realized, oh, I will intellectualize everything. I will intellectualize this thing happening. I will have it all make sense in my head. And a neatly wrapped little bow. My body was still like right, there was absolutely zero understanding from my body and that was where I realized, oh my gosh, like the mind, body, emotional connection is so annoying that I was like I didn't want that to be the work that I had to do. I didn't want it at all, did not want it at all. This is the stupidest work. I hate it. Like this sucks. Unsign me up for this. I want to go back. I want to go back on my spaceship and I realized, until I began to do that work, I could not have anything.
Speaker 2:I couldn't like be anything, I couldn't do anything. I have a lot of stories around that I'm like I'm working on really putting into like this, this framework, because for me it was. I always had the foresight, I could see how things were going to come together. But until I got my body on board and had my, my nervous system be calibrated in such a way to handle disappointing somebody else, to handle being around somebody else who was maybe going through a thing because it's not my thing to fix, I also I but didn't have, wasn't calibrated for to maintain anything like joy.
Speaker 2:I wasn't calibrated to have any level of wealth. I wasn't like. I was just calibrated to like have a foresight, have an idea, have a thing happen for me, to bounce and then come back and do it again. But each of those times it was like a new hero's journey and I had all these different thoughts about what I was going to do in life, and none of them began to even start to happen until I learned how to truly be a human. Yeah, which is difficult for me. It is, and I say that with like it is difficult and it's I. Yeah, like I. I could see a lot of people feeling similarly, but then having a lot of shame around that, but it added out being a human hardest thing I've ever done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it for sure is. Do you have Pluto? Square your moon?
Speaker 2:I have it close, I have, I have, I have it close, and this is a lot of yeah, but I have, I have, I have Pluto conjunct myself node kind of. It could be kind of a doozy, but what I recognize, though, is it's that power inverted for me, and I think a lot of people can relate to that in ways that we can all be either like our own worst enemy or like our greatest gift. Right, and it's just. It's's just, it's a perspective shift. It's a perspective shift, and when somebody is on a journey of reclaiming their power, or even just like and I'll say reclaiming, because we all came into these power beings, empowered beings, but it's just simply realizing where are you allowing for life to push you around?
Speaker 2:And a lot of people have this like go with the flow attitude, and I tell people, you can only go with the flow if you're as long as you're the one creating the current. Otherwise, it's you're going to be your program. There's a lot of conditioning, a lot of patterns that you have involuntarily, like, subscribed to, are aligned by or are following. Yeah, and if you are very disconnected from your body, it can. It's impossible to say it's impossible. It's impossible to actually know what is right for you, and you know people talk about the idea that what is? It's even like the, the law of one, like the different, the different levels of consciousness, and the first level of consciousness is what's like like the rocks being asleep, with the earth is being asleep.
Speaker 2:But when it expands upon upon that, it's that everything begins at this first level, where we have this level of awareness and from this level of awareness, we have these needs and these desires, and they're designed to actually allow for us to have this level of self-actualization and awareness by being, oh, I am separate from all that is. So I think about myself in that way, as I was learning all of these esoteric traits and skills and all of these modalities and skills, and I was having the awareness of these things within myself, but it didn't really matter until I had to go backwards. It felt like in a lot of my development to actually be like oh, how do I be a separate person? And I hope that any people who like listen to this, they allow for themselves to be like oh, man, I feel that.
Speaker 2:I feel that Because it's like this really important part in our development, especially somebody they subscribe to, that like empath energy. That's like you bypassed More than likely. You bypassed a big part of that and you, you did it with like either more than like it was good intentions, right? Don't worry, I'll make you feel better, I'll make you know, and really it's like you didn't know how to be a human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I resonate so strongly with that and I think you and I have a lot of parallels in our charts. In opposite, I have gate 33 in my moon.
Speaker 1:So, it's that energy, but yeah, I mean the whole empath thing. That has been such a what's the word I'm looking for, Not indicator, but a theme, I guess, for so much of my life. And then I realized how disempowering it really was to like myself and you know I have to set boundaries and things like that. I guess, like in wrapping it up, what advice or where in people's charts would you suggest that they look to, or what aspect or something to really like, kind of come back and like ground in and be able to stand in all of this and to step into this energy that's coming.
Speaker 2:I love to look at people's moons. So obviously we have the moon in our natal chart and then your human design. That's the conscious, conscious moons that represents, like, actually one of the driving forces. That may be a driving force that you are more conscious of, but when you check out what your design moon is, you are, which is another driving force, but it is happening unconsciously and is also an energy that is attracting a lot of relationships to you. You are able to see how those two energies are either working together in harmony or where they are in some type of battle with each other, type of some type of battle with each other, and that showcases a lot of your own internal struggle and, um, it's like the battle that you you have with life, especially in recognizing that the outer world is always a reflection of our inner world, like what are. So you said 33, and then what is what is your design moon? 24, okay, okay, okay, it's interesting, right? So that's that's the realization, rationalization, the energy yeah, so interesting to see how those would be. So both of those can be an energy of recluse, though, of like. Okay, I'm in, like back. Let me think about that, let me think about the, or let me like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And then it's like ding, light bulb ding. And then it's like ding, light bulb moment comes on. And then that's where the 33, like the sage energy can emerge. And you're like ah, young children gather around, I have a piece, let me teach you things Right. But until then it might be like yo buzz off, I'm like in my cabin. But it's both, this energy, so that's what goes through. That lens would work together really well. In this like there's a breakthrough, there's a piece of wisdom, there's something that's always on the verge. So really, you're making sure that you are setting up your life to facilitate those epiphanies, those aha moments. Right for you to really be that sage. But then I could see where those could be challenging together, as they both can be. This energy of like, tell me in the future, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting. A little bit of that energy, but for like silence would be a big one. We're going to work with that, really having that silence.
Speaker 2:For me, I have my design in 34. So it's the gate of power. So when I think about like power being inverted, I'm like oh, oh, my gosh, I've recognized. For me this plays out, and there is this because I have that connecting with Neptune in 10 for me. So I have the gate of exploration and convictions, and that's actually the channel of my authority, but it's completely unconscious.
Speaker 2:So sometimes, like I'm blind to that, but I realize when I know something, I know it and it's like I have these moments of conviction. It comes to these things of exploration and expansion and but when I think about how my two moons work together, oh, battles is the battle is like. That's like the ultimate battle of my entire life is having this feeling of like. I can see, I can see, I can see how I can see myself in everything. And if you want and that's going to be really disempowering and I've also realized, though, that then other people can sense this innate I'll just say, is this like force, this power that I am oftentimes blind to?
Speaker 2:So when you have somebody that is, this like super empath has no concept of like, where they or they end and somebody else begins, but somebody else who may be, they didn't even have to be someone with bad intentions, it's just they're like oh, I see a lot of power there, and then it drained really quickly, or I used to feel like I would get used a lot, but it was. I didn't have boundaries and I didn't realize. Oh, maybe instead of me like always being this, like muse for somebody else, like if myself, if myself, and once I'm actually empowered, then I can help people, then I can use this level of awareness that I have for the collective and cycles and experiences and actually use that to create a positive impact versus just be like, oh, let me be in the gutter with you and feel miserable with you.
Speaker 2:Because you're not helping. It doesn't help anybody and you're just like, let me be sad with you for you, and I talk to a lot of people that work in health care and they'd be like that's like the worst thing you can ever do for somebody when someone's like a nurse. You're sick, you have a nurse come in. You don't want the nurse to be like, oh my god, I just feel so bad. You know, you want us to be like it's gonna be fine, we're gonna do this, but in a loving way. But to be in this space of actually helping, right, and even we think about, like, what is compassion, sympathy and empathy? Like I think we've all been gaslit into thinking that empathy is this beautiful thing. Yeah, because there's a misconception with it and maybe, maybe the people that have been really pushing the conception are those that don't deal with the struggles of it I think as well yeah, that's really powerful.
Speaker 1:Just over the holidays we were playing this little like christmas game and one of the questions was what is your like unique gift or something like that, and everybody was supposed to answer it, for you to like guess what your response was gonna be, and everybody said empathy. For me, that reminded me, because then I was like, well, I would say more compassion, but it's taken a long time, right To have that reframe. Everybody jumps to that part of you where I feel like that's where I've gotten stuck a lot. So, yeah, I really love that dynamic perspective.
Speaker 2:How have you reframed the empathy versus compassion.
Speaker 1:I think it does have to come, or it has come a lot down to boundaries and like setting those, because otherwise, yeah, I'm just getting sucked into somebody else's everything and then there's no distinguishing between me and them. Right, it's like I'm taking everything on so that they'll feel okay, but then I'm not, you know. So it's really been like I have to say they're not either because they're, yeah, able to create change for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot of enabling as well goes in, it goes into that, but it's I. I say that with like, with like, I'll say so much empathy.
Speaker 2:But yeah, and it's like people who, truly, you know, deal with that, they get it. Can I just want people to know that, like there, there isn't. There is another side of that right of it is being there's so much wisdom, there's so much wisdom, but you have to be willing to go go through that and, yeah, be willing to gradually become more comfortable with discomfort yeah, and I think that I had to at some point accept my softness and sensitivities, that I was so resisting before to like.
Speaker 1:let that move through me If that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I had this realization the other day. I was still kind of reflecting on it, but it was this idea that I'm simultaneously toughening up and softening up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they do work together.
Speaker 2:And like they have to, because it's the idea they're going to be soft. You got to be tough, and what does that even mean? Well, it's for the individual to come to their own realizations of, but I feel like with myself, that was the thing is. How do I balance those two? Because I feel like there's a lot of you know, there's things in the world that I feel I could help, but I can't help them. If I am not empowered, I can't do anything to actually help them. That was, I'm just a puddle too. We're all just trying to make an impact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I saw a reel that it said like just that it was like the tougher she is, the softer she actually is. You know, like it's like behind that there's really an incredible softness that allows you to step into that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and then also for people that you know, I'll say, like deal with that empathy, it's, you are worth, you are worth protecting, you are worth protecting. And to be somebody who feels so much is a gift, even though it doesn't seem like a gift that you're like I hope you kept the receipt because you got to return this crap but it is a gift. But remember, your gifts are not just for you, they are for others. But in order for that gift to be worth anything, a certain level of optimization that has to happen with it. But then there's also a protection. That is that that is required with that.
Speaker 2:And since it is you that you deserve to be protected, and and I see this as well with empath, but also a lot of Capricorns as well Capricorns have this. You know, the cliche of Capricorns is they're cold, heartless. This and I've, you know, worked with a ton of Capricorns and realizing that it turns out to be a theme of feeling like they need to mature really quickly. So when somebody says they have to mature really quickly, taking all the responsibility really quickly, it's like this whole level of emotional regulation it's just bypassed and before you know it you're like an adult, but with the emotional processing of like a two-year-old right because you didn't get to be so. It's like it's about just that awareness right there of like, yeah, things happened and you missed a step, but now you go back and you intentionally take that step and you're going to now be reconditioning yourself, but at a much older age, with more wisdom. There's a lot of beauty in that. But again you got to have the perspective and the dedication to owning that, and owning that within yourself.
Speaker 1:For a long time I for some reason attracted so many Capricorn moons and at first, like I'm a Leo moon, so at first I was like I don't get it, you're just shut off, you have no emotions, like leave me alone, you can't live in my world. But there is, like you said, underneath that, there is this part of them that I feel like they never really allowed themselves to like experience or be with, and it really is such a beautiful part of that Capricorn energy. So, like now, I love Capricorns, but in the beginning I was like you don't get me, you'll never get me, it's just like going to be an opposite ends. But yeah, capricorn moons.
Speaker 2:I love Capricorn moons. They there's this set. I thought I could tell one now. So they are, and there's just something that's this like real grounded warmth and it's like this true warmth because it's a I don't sense a lot of judgment either and it was kind of just. There's just this. Well, as I say, it's this grounded warmth. I guess it's like the ground to warmth Cause then you got to get like real close to the earth to like feel that warmth when it's there.
Speaker 1:but it it's, it's so, it's everlasting and there's this practical like nurturing that they do have where they do want to take care of you in a way that makes sense for them. That's practical and logical and, you know, maybe like providing things for you that sometimes you know from my like leo dramatic, you know, kind of experience I've found hard to see for a while but then when you see it it's like, oh, that's actually really beautiful way to like, show somebody, and then they do that, and it's from a space of truth around.
Speaker 2:The idea of true giving comes from overflow. If somebody you know people want to there's this, even this like martyr, we like there's a lot of these like collective beliefs and ideologies that are described to you of this like this, like righteousness and martyrdom. Having nothing but giving everything. We're like that doesn't sound like a good time, like you know, but it's that it's like true giving comes from. I am full, I am whole, I am complete and because I am full and whole and complete, I have all of this to give and it's the giving.
Speaker 2:It's like when somebody is giving and you know they like, like they mean it. It's like it's a difference because you're also not thinking this thing oh my God, this is the last thing they have. It's like all these internal hangups happen. Oh my god, this is the last thing they have. It's like all these internal hang-ups happen and you think about how wonderful this world could be if our people were giving from the space of wholeness, fullness being being complete, because you're empowered and you know a lot of what I have always, like, worked in is this area of like, kindness and even kindness has been this like buzzword that I've had to really reframe what that truly is so that it could accommodate this feeling of not having to.
Speaker 2:Okay, I will like like nice girl, right, I will be kind and good and nice at all costs, no matter if I feel you know it's like that. No matter if I feel you know it's like that, like whatever you think, I get into that energy and I can immediately reconnect to this part of myself that felt like it required this level of endurance just to survive. And they're like that is not living, that is not, that is not being self-actualized, that is not expanding, that is just like caving to the pressures of the world. And when we have empowered people using their strengths to create impact, I believe things like kindness is just the absolute most natural byproduct of the world. You don't even need to put a focus on it, you don't need to have these like kindness campaigns and kindness initiatives, because it is just a natural byproduct of empowered people living in such a way that they feel inspired and aligned with their truth and their gifts.
Speaker 1:I love that. That makes me think about Gary Vaynerchuk, yeah. He's just so like in that and it's his whole thing is kindness and empathy and like just being a good person.
Speaker 2:But it's like the most natural thing in the world. Yeah, I think humans are I don't even think I know humans are in hate and are innately so good, so good, so, so good. But we all go through experiences where, you know, we have to develop certain traits and this and that, and a personality gets formed and then the ego is constantly trying to protect the personality from the person. That's not a real thing. And then all this stuff happens and you're like, and it's constantly trying to protect the personality from the person that was on a real thing. And then all this stuff happens and you're like, and it's just this, like that, it's just this, like, you know, collective, like freak out, yeah, but the the other, you know just the inverse of that is this really beautiful energy of. I guess I would say it's alignment. If people in a space of alignment I think the way to get in there is to kind of allow them for this transition to happen within our own individual lives that then it can really like mutate. The collective is a combination of radical self-love and radical responsibility, right, so like, who would you be if you didn't blame anyone for anything? Right, you took everything, anything that happened, and you thought like, okay, how can I learn from this or what can, how can I be guided by this? And even if it's like something, somebody did something to you and you still are able to think well, you know, maybe they're going through something, but what do I need to do so that I'm fine regardless? Right, and that's even a big component of you, can call it sovereign, like being a sovereign individual. And this like connecting back to what we're saying about technology and always being a reflection of ourself. Like decentralization coming in and big party centralization deals with transparency, but ownership and the idea of what do you have to do so that you are great, no matter what? Right, and where is your single point of failure, if everything in your life is fine except for this one thing that happens? That's a massive vulnerability that you have. So what do you have to do so that you're fine? You're fine regardless.
Speaker 2:So, getting back to that situation, say, it's like somebody cuts you off and you're running late. So now you think this person's terrible and it's da, da, da, da da, but in reality it's okay. One, maybe that person is going through something. Or two, maybe that person, you know, they didn't even see you. But third one is well, you're stressed because you're running late so you should probably leave earlier next time. Right, if you actually think about because you can't control that person what they're going through with it. But if you use something really important to you, what do you got to do so that, like you're straight, no matter what, but you're good to go, and that's getting back into if we all were to lead our lives that way, and what do you got to do so that, like you're great, no matter what it really it eliminates a lot of the things that come up that throw us off course.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. This has been so good and for the listeners like I mean, you offered so many powerful questions here. So if they need to go back and re-listen and write them down like like I hope they go and and like in journal around them because they're really powerful reflection questions how can everyone find you and how can they work with you?
Speaker 2:So ashleymosaiccom, ashley Mosaic, on all the socials, socials as well. So I have I work with individuals and one-on-one coaching. Then I also have different workshops that I will do within corporations and help really optimize. As we're optimizing the technology, also optimizing the humans is a really big part of the work, the work that I do, and I love that now I'm doing it with small businesses and a lot of fun. Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.