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257. The Eldest Daughter's Guide to Entrepreneurial Freedom
This week spoke with Alexis Frank, eldest daughter coach, global thought leader, speaker and author.
In this episode, Alexis and I talk about:
- Self-projected Projectors
- Eldest daughter entrepreneurs
- Human design as an experiment
- Parenting with human design
- The qualities of an eldest daughter
- Projector role of helping us see who we are
- Your open centers in human design
- “Proving” energy
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Welcome to the Rochelle Christiane podcast, formerly the Emotional Mastery podcast. I'm Rochelle, your host. I'm here to help you come back to your body, take charge of your emotions and live life on your terms. This podcast is a space for raw, real conversations about what it means to trust yourself, lean into your power and create a life that feels aligned and alive. We'll explore human design, astrology and other tools to help you understand your unique energy. More importantly, though, we're going to talk about what it means to actually live and embody these aspects. So each week, I'm going to share stories, lessons, guidance to help you navigate life's challenges and really own your magic. So if you're ready to step up, take control and show up as the most authentic version of you, let's begin. Welcome back to another episode on the podcast.
Speaker 1:Today I'm talking to Alexis Frank, who is an eldest daughter life coach, global thought leader, speaker, and I believe that I just saw on Instagram her book drops now. You can pre-order it. Alexis is a self-projected projector. She is again a life coach focused on eldest daughters, which was so fascinating and what really drew me to her to begin with. Her energy is infectious. She is such a badass. She has so much confidence and it really oozes out. By the end of this conversation I was like, yeah, I'm a badass too, and it really helped just reframe my inner narrative a little bit. We obviously talk about being an eldest daughter, what that means, what qualities we hold, how to like break through the narrative that is held within that. We talk about human design. We talk about parenting a little bit. We talk about projectors and their role of like helping us see who we are. We talk about romanticist books, smut books. We talk about our centers proving like we talk about so much. It was such a good conversation. I'm really excited for everyone to listen to this one. Like I said, her energy is just infectious and this is one that I'm just really excited to share.
Speaker 1:She talks about, within her programs, all the somatic work that she does, and this is something that I've always you know my journey to myself has happened through my body of being aware of what feels good, what doesn't feel good, trusting yourself. I think I believe this is where it begins, this is where it is required, and so I always love when people talk about the somatic work to reconditioning, to deconditioning, to that subconscious reprogramming and really being in it, and I spent the. I mean, I've been in this process for a while, but it feels like 2025 has definitely done something to a lot of us and astrologically, we can look at it from that lens it's really been this sort of like shedding. It feels like it's been a tower moment, this whole like 2025. And specifically the last couple of weeks, I just followed like a synchronicity thing where someone was talking about becoming supernatural and then I saw it like a few other times and I knew I had the book. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to like dive into the book again, I'm going to bring it with me to Colorado and I'm going to reread it. And it was one of those books where I read it in the beginning of my journey. But I don't remember. I don't remember reading it. So sometimes there are books that there's information that we can only receive at a certain level of consciousness and I feel like that's what this book was for me.
Speaker 1:But it has really helped me over the last two weeks or so, I would say, implement meditation. For one, I'm meditating at least twice a day. It's actually been more like three times a day, and the day that I got back here I think I meditated four times because I felt a little bit like ungrounded. But I've been waking up earlier and if you know me, if you listen to the podcast, getting up early for me is a struggle. I'm the person that snoozes her alarm like six times before I get out of bed and I'm still snoozing my alarm, but I'm getting up early enough to get in a 20 minute meditation while I'm still in that theta brainwave state. So I've been really really disciplining myself in meditation. And here's the thing Meditation is a discipline. It's not supposed to be easy, but it will change your life, it will change your perspective, it will change your mind, it will literally change your neural pathways in your brain, right. And so I've been doing again Dr Joe dispensa meditations multiple times a day for sure, in the morning and at night I've been doing he's got a um tuning your chakras meditation, blessing your chakras meditation. It's like a 40 something minute meditation. Doing that like once a week and so like I feel like getting up, waking up in the morning, meditating, the night journal.
Speaker 1:I've been really getting my body moving a lot more than I used to. So I've been. I have been walking a lot all summer, but specifically lately, I've been just going to the gym and working out in a different way and I feel really good. I've been eating better. I've just been like keeping my mindset in a place because, I'll be honest, I feel like I and I talked about a little bit last week I feel like I've hit a little bit of a rock bottom moment and I think that when we're in these moments, we have an option right, we can be the victim, we can project, we can feel sorry for ourself, we can like swim in it, or we can do the harder thing, which is to shift the narrative right, and it's not about bypassing, it's not about avoiding the reality of the situation, because it is very real and it is very there, but it's about believing and surrendering.
Speaker 1:And for me, cancer is my 12th house and so all this energy moving through cancer. I normally feel really not strange. I feel really disconnected in cancer season, but I think like with Jupiter in there, it's been so much. It's supporting the subconscious work and literally as soon as Jupiter moved into cancer, I felt this like energized, like I am going to change my life. I'm going to change my life. It's that like really paying attention to the way that I word things Like I was texting somebody and I was talking about, you know, me going to the gym a lot more in a different way. I'm like I'm honestly going hard, but not in a punishing sort of way, and like it feels so good to go in and challenge myself and I was like, instead of saying, oh, my goal is, or my hope is, I literally simply said I'm going to make my body look the way I want it to Like there's no questions, there's no option, and so kind of really paying attention to the way that we say things.
Speaker 1:I've really been going down that rabbit hole of Neville Goddard and all this stuff you can find on Spotify, like I'm not gatekeeping, like go to Spotify, type in Neville Goddard, type in Joe Dispenza, meditations, type in whoever else that you feel inspired by. Those are the two that I've really really been consuming a lot of lately. And Neville Goddard he has an audio on Spotify where he talks about really changing your narrative in three days, your inner narrative, and he was saying, of course your limiting beliefs are going to come up, but it's a matter of, in those days, your inner narrative. And he was saying, of course your limiting beliefs are going to come up, but it's a matter of, in those moments, reframing them, acknowledging them, seeing them, but then saying you know, everything's exactly as it's meant to be. I am changing my life.
Speaker 1:Money comes easy to me. I am the type of person that people want to be in a relationship like whatever it is for you Again, not bypassing, not avoiding, but just being like huh, okay, I witnessed that. But I choose in this moment to believe that money is easily and effortlessly flowing to me consistently all the time. One thing that I journal every single morning and I think it was Bob Proctor, I think it's like his little quote, but I journal it every single morning. But I say I am so happy and grateful that money comes to me in increasing quantities from multiple sources on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, with all of this, you have to feel it, because I think sometimes we do the meditations, we do the journaling, we do the visualizations, but if we're not actually bringing it into, so kind of going back right to what I said, it's so much a journey through the body If you're not actually bringing it into the body and feeling what it would feel like, to feel those things like when you're visualizing, don't just see an image in your mind Like what is the physical, what is the emotion that you're feeling? Can you smell, can you taste it, can you feel it on your skin, like it's actually embodying? And that's the way that you can change your life. And so these meditations have really been activating these elevated emotions. And so, if you remember back to a time when you felt like immense love or gratitude, or even if it's just like love for yourself, like sometimes I will just sit in my meditation and I'm you know, especially first thing in the morning, I feel like it's kind of hard to like get that elevated emotion a little bit more, but I'll just sit there and be like I love myself, I love myself, I love like, and I say it like that, and it will eventually bring out that emotion. Or I'm so grateful for my life, I'm so grateful to be laying in this bed, I'm so grateful that I have a roof over my head, I'm so grateful that my kids are here. So, whatever it is that will get you that elevated emotion, and the longer you can sustain that, the more you're reprogramming. So, as you can tell, I'm like super excited about it because I've just feel like this has been a challenge in the sense of like being disciplined, getting up early and meditating, like these are things that I've been desiring to implement into my life. I haven't had a drink since. It feels like a long time, but it's really not. I guess it's since Saturday, but I feel so good. I drank a lot more this summer than I have, but I just feel like I'm in one of those phases where I'm just so motivated and I feel so good in my body and in my mind and I feel clear, and so I'm just going to keep it going. I'm sustaining it as long as I can and I'm changing my life. That's it. That's it. So I hope you enjoyed this podcast. I hope it is as impactful for you as it was for me. You know, having this conversation and editing it and listening to it and, again, if it resonates, share with a friend rate review, subscribe all the things.
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Speaker 1:Again, thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for listening. I will talk to you next week. Today I have Alexis Frank here, who is a life coach for eldest daughter entrepreneurs, which I find so fascinating because, like I said right before, I press record I'm an oldest daughter and never even thought that that would impact the way that I show up in business and I mean in parenting, yes, but like I never really put it together with entrepreneurship or anything like that. So it's so fascinating. We're going to get into all of it, but we'll start with, like, if you're comfortable sharing your design and your astrology and any aspects of that that maybe kind of make made, made it make sense to you like, why this path or your journey or your experiences, um, and then just like anything about your story that you feel was really pivotal to like get you to this moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so in human design, I'm a one three self-projected projector, um, which I love, cause I feel like I'm a little rare unicorn. Projectors are a little harder to come by. And when I was coming up, even just as a young adult, I was like when I have something to say, I have I got to get it out, like it's so important to me. And when I discovered human design and I leaned more into it, and when I realized that my authority was self-projected, I was like what does this mean? And then I looked into it and I was like, oh my God, like this is so everything about human design is validating. But that piece in particular was like okay, no, this makes perfect sense for me. Um, astrology wise, I'm a Virgo, I, I think the one thing I don't know is the rising and then the moon. I think one is an Aquarius and one is a Leo, but I don't know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I pulled it. You have a Leo moon and Aquarius rising yeah, which to me, I also have a Leo moon, so, like the expression I feel like of your emotions and what's happening inside is it's so powerful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I have like that on the list this year to really understand more of that, because right now, the way that I integrate myself and my clients is through human design, um, teledipity, which is like a numerology, and GPs, and so those are the three things that I use and I haven't added the, you know, astrological aspect to it yet.
Speaker 2:But one thing that I know about being a Virgo is that it's really unfortunate for other people, because as a projector, I already am just like oh, why do people do things the way that they do them?
Speaker 2:I already am just like oh, why do people do things the way that they do them? And I think that being a Virgo adds another level of kind of snobbery to it, because I'm like let me do it, I can just let me do it myself. You're doing it wrong. And so I consider myself to be this like ultra snob, but in such a good way because of the way that I push people to see what's available to them, they strive for efficiency, or when they just strive to be themselves. It's like we bend over so far backwards to be everything to other people and we never worry about how we are to ourselves, how important we are to ourselves and we have all of these different guidance systems that teach us just how to be ourselves, and yet somehow we still fight them in favor of making sure that other people like us, and then we don't even like ourselves.
Speaker 2:And so the eldest daughter piece of it came in probably about nine months ago and I was really trying to get niche and I was like it's not just a woman and I was being stretched to like it's not, of course I can help any woman, right, it's fine, yeah, and the snobbery, it's like I can help anyone. But I was like it's a specific woman that's holding on to something and I was driving down the road and I'm voice noting myself, obviously, right Cause that's self-project projected does.
Speaker 2:And I was like, wait a minute, I think it's these eldest daughters. And so I went back through to all of the women that I did market research for for my new program and I asked them what their birth order was, and 80% of them were eldest daughters. And I was like, well, that's it, this makes perfect sense. And when I really started honing in on that, so many people were like in the same position as you was like wow, I didn't really put you know, create that correlation. There are still a lot of people that are like what does this have to do with anything? And I'm like what does it not have to do?
Speaker 2:with it, and but not from a place of woe is me I've had to do so much but from a place of so many people have leaned on me because I'm so important and because I'm so powerful and now I get to use that to do work that I really love to do and to impact the amount of lives that I want to impact not just the people who saw me as somebody to lean on for support.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can I share a little bit of your astrology chart that I see, I would love to learn.
Speaker 1:So you have Virgo sign, but then you also have Mercury and Venus in there. So you have this like stellium, these three planets that are really like important. You know interplanets. This is communication. Your values, like all of this is held in that Virgo energy and I think Virgo you know everyone knows like perfectionist and you know it's like really in service to people as well.
Speaker 1:So there is that piece of like judgment and like analyzing, and you can feel like Virgos are picking you apart, but it's really, I've truly believed that Virgos so much want to serve you, you want to help and that's why it just comes across sometimes in a way that maybe doesn't like resonate with everyone, but I think there's like an underlying like you really want to like do good, you know, and like because it is for for other people and it's all in your seventh house. So that's relationships. So it makes sense that you would want to be putting all of this towards like relationships and you know, whatever dynamics doesn't have to be just like romantic relationships, but I do think you know doing this sort of work leaks out not just to. I know your focus is on business and entrepreneurs, but I do think that, as an entrepreneur doing this work. It leaks out into every aspect of our life.
Speaker 1:It's like you become self-aware. But then it's like I do this with my kids or I do this with my partner, and then you put all these pieces together. So it's really interesting. And now with the nodes in pisces virgo, you know, I think that's going to probably that south node's gonna be moving through your seventh house, like and across all those pieces of your chart. So it might bring up some stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm supposed to be, according to the numerology, I'm supposed to be writing and finishing the book this year and the book is about my life and so a lot of stuff is going to be. A lot of stuff has already come up and I'm just like it's so fun, but you're right, it comes from a place of, in a sense, I call it like aggressiveness, this aggressive need to help you see yourself for the immaculate human that you are. Like. I was talking to one of the girls at my kids dance school the other day. We do the adult hip hop class together and naturally, again with the projector aura. She's like I must come see you because you see me and herself, and I almost lost it and I was like you do not speak negatively about yourself.
Speaker 2:And she was looking at me like, why are you being so aggressive? And I'm like you don't say negative things about yourself, because people who are looking to bring you down will use that as fuel and that's not okay. And so you're right down, we'll use that as fuel and that's not okay. And so you're right it's. It's this kind of aggressive need to like help you, and it comes from such a beautiful and genuine place. But that's why I have to align it with the projector side of me that has to wait for the invitation, because if you're not ready to hear what I have to say, everybody's feelings are getting hurt. Your feelings are getting hurt because you're not ready. My feelings are getting hurt because you didn't ask me and I'm like why don't you find my advice to be helpful? And it's just better for me to keep my specific mouth shut towards you until you ask me.
Speaker 2:But it's always been my permission slip to run my mouth on every public platform that I can find, because it's so important that I'm visible so that people who need my help can see me. And I love that you brought up the thing about relationships, because I keep my human design and my numerology, my gene keys all on my wall, see it. So every morning I'm like all right, remember who you are every single day, and my numerology talks about how I'm here to counsel millions in a philanthropically minded organization dealing with themes of power and wealth administration through relationship development, and so it's like literally every single system that's been out there that, through the ages, people have designed it all speaks to me doing the same thing, which is really validating, especially for people who are looking for a roadmap. I don't know how to do life, honey. There are so many different ways telling you exactly what to do, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean that's what all these modalities are for, right. That's why I always say, like, whatever one calls to you, I mean that's what all these modalities are for, right. That's why I always say, like, whatever one calls to you, and I think it's so beautiful because they I do think that they all have the same underlying message when you really like, get down to it, you know, it's just what you resonate. More, that's, and I and I love human design because it literally gives you the map. It's like follow this, do this, align to this, and then you, but it literally hands it to you of like, here you go.
Speaker 2:It's so funny. I follow this one guy on Instagram and he was talking about how human design is. The experiment actually isn't meant for everyone, because deconditioning process you do a lot of mourning of the person that you thought you were supposed to be, the person that you thought you were. I know for me, being a projector like it's shown me a lot, it validated a lot for me, but not knowing this until after having like three children. It's a lot because I've got two Manny Jen kids and I've got one mental projector child and my husband is a manifester and it's like I have such a full life but little things.
Speaker 2:Like I went on my walk this morning and my son followed me on his bike and started talking to me because he's an emotional man, he Jen so he's gone through his cycle and he was ready to talk to me but I wanted to be alone because that was part of my routine and it's like obviously I love my children, but it's like there were things that I wish I would have known better about myself and considered more about myself before making the trip into parenthood or to understanding how everybody else works.
Speaker 2:I know for me, all of my clients right now are generators, and most of them are sacral generators, and it's like I prefer to coach them over coaching other energy types, because they are so keen to listen to me and it doesn't feel like you're just asking me for my opinion to make me feel better about myself. It's like they actually want to know, but it is an experiment that requires a lot of trial and error. You're not going to get it right and you don't have to abide by everything. It's not a rule book, but you'll find it difficult to. It's like once you see it, you can't unsee it. Yeah, and once you know that about yourself, you can't undo it. But a part of you still longs to cling to whatever modality it was that you used to survive at this point, even though it still doesn't align with you anymore, and it's an entire journey to let go of a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1:It really is. Yeah, I my. So my kids are 14 and eight and I discovered all of this. My son was one, so I feel like I was able to more like align him and kind of like let him be um people. He's like my wild child, where he's just like so authentically himself. But then you know, my daughter oldest daughter too, you know tying it into this and and I think that my wounding was transferred to her because I had no idea who I was. But, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:You said to you like it's not for everyone, because, yeah, it is an experiment and it is really confronting. As you like, move along. But I also think it's so beautiful in the way that, like, I'm a manager and so in the beginning I was like I'm going to decondition in two years, I'm going to do this. I got it, you know, and I was like, so, like in it, and then I was like wait, wait, wait. This is not the way it works.
Speaker 1:But it like literally reveal things to you as you like, move through it. It's like my design. Let me actually step back and try and embody this emotional authority that I have that I have no idea how to regulate Right. And then it's like, as you kind of get a little like I think that'll forever be a journey for me, but I'm like the pause has been the most impactful thing. It was just being like give me a minute Right Instead of just like my Leo moon, like being a reactionary and being fiery and, like you know, being all the dramatics of everything, and so it's just, it's such a beautiful process, but I'd be curious, like for you, how has that evolution, or how has that experience with that self-projected um authority kind of like evolved over time? Or how have you like been in relationship with that?
Speaker 2:I mean, I mean, and now it becomes obvious. So I have two coaches and one of my coaches is more of like my spiritual and my human design, and so she leans into it. So anytime I have a question, she will message me. She'll be like why are you typing this when you know you need to speak? She's constantly mirroring back to me or she'll ask me a very challenging question that stretches me and she's like she's probably asked me the same question like six or seven times and I get really frustrated. And she's like you have to continue to hear yourself say the thing.
Speaker 2:And it's just something that I've always leaned on, so like if I'm doing journaling, I don't write, I voice note, and I love that now, like iPhone has journal and you can just voice note yourself, because that's how I come to all of my conclusions, that's how I drive every piece. If I try to sit here like, okay, well, what do I want to do? I'm not going to get anything until I start talking and my husband, he will just listen. I'll be like I don't need you to say anything, I just need to talk and you don't have to respond. You don't do anything, I just need to talk and I just even if it's an audience of one, I have to get it out, and it's what I've leaned into the most for every decision that I make for myself.
Speaker 2:Um, and that has actually been the easiest part to integrate into my life, because I was running my mouth anyway. I was never one to be quiet. I think now it's just more aligned, it's more intentional, it's more strategic. I understand it like fully about myself, and so it's like it's not an option, it's something that has to be done. That was probably the easiest thing for me to integrate, because I was a blabbermouth anyway. I love that.
Speaker 1:I love when I see people that are like they are living their design even though they don't really know it. But then, like you said, I think that point of being more intentional about it makes it just so much more powerful, whereas then you have the awareness and you can really lean into it in just a big way. It's really cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like with the waiting for the invitation that's one of for projections is the hardest thing, right?
Speaker 2:Because, especially as projectors were like, well, you're fucked up and you need to know that you're fucked up so that you don't continue on in this path because I'm trying to help you.
Speaker 2:But that part I had to take a step back and be like you know what, when somebody has always asked me and came to me and say, hey, take a step back and be like you know what, when somebody has always asked me and came to me and say, hey, I need your help on this, that has been when I have felt the most fulfilled, and so I had to take a moment and be like this is for your own good, because you're not getting your feelings hurt when you're waiting for people.
Speaker 2:And I also had to figure out what an invitation actually meant, Because it's been sitting around in a quiet corner not saying anything, because nobody can see your brilliance. Then it still gave me full permission to say whatever it was I wanted to say wherever I existed, but then people who are going to pay me for my work, they still had to come to me. So, like cold emailing, dming I don't do any of that stuff. I just show up fully as myself in on all of my platforms and I have to wait for people to be like girl, you came from my neck, how do I sign up? Cool, great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love that parallel between like being that self-projected projector or like a projector in general. And then Virgo, because I was in relationship with a Virgo rising once and he like always went out of his way to do things for people but he would get like so bitter about it and I'm like, but did they ask you? Cause? It's kind of the same thing, like you're doing it cause you want to help you see the issue, but then if you're not invited in, then you're just going to get bitter about it.
Speaker 2:So that's what I always say, like those people didn't ask you for that too comes a lot from a place of, and that's a lot to where the eldest daughter place comes in, because so many of us are used to being the one that people call but then we're not being called on for things that we want to be called on for. So you need me to help you out with this or help you out with that, but what I'm actually good at my zone of genius you don't listen to me for anything, and so it's like you didn't ask for my help. But I'm used to having to realize that people are going to ask me for my help eventually anyway. So I'm trying to jumpstart it and be that person. But that's like a trauma response that's reactionary to what I'm used to and a healthy dynamic is is I sit here and wait for you to ask me to do something, not assuming that I'm going to have to do it, that somebody is going to need me to have to do it.
Speaker 2:It's like taking a step back and being like this is what's actually aligned, not what people have forced you to feel like was necessary, or that's who you should be to them, and that's where so much of the eldest daughter trope comes in is like, well, I just, I always end up having to do anything myself anyway, so I'm just going to offer this to people. But then they don't understand why this kind of rejection comes with it, when they're assuming that they're needed in places but they're also then not putting their genius towards what will actually get them paid and what will actually, you know, liven up their lives, because they're still kind of in this transition of people have always needed me, but how come people don't need me in my business, or how come people don't hear and balancing that dynamic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. How do we so, like what are some of like, the biggest qualities that you see that comes from this eldest daughter? And then like, yeah, how do you find that balance between you know, taking a safe route right, Because entrepreneurship?
Speaker 2:in and of itself has always been considered risky, and so they don't tend to invest in themselves the way that a man would right. They don't feel like they have the freedom to fully be themselves because their families are looking to them with this expectation of well, you're supposed to be this way, you're supposed to walk, talk and act this way, and so being an entrepreneur is already an act of rebellion, and so they feel like they still have to stay in between this perfectly curated path so that they can still prove to their parents, to their family, whoever, that they are a success, even if it wasn't the way that their parents wanted them to have. There is a lot of proving energy, a lot of energy of please see me, please understand that I am good enough to do this. Please see that I'm the person that you're supposed to pick. There's a lot of pick me energy, pick me proving to people and people pleasing and all of those things. Keep them with probably lower rates than they should have kept me with lower rates for a really long time, not really understanding the impact that they're here to have, or settling for more of an ordinary impact or ordinary kind of life. Then they know somewhere deep in their soul that they're destined for, because they're still trying to play it safe, and a lot of protectiveness of things that no longer serve them, because they're worried that the unknown might let them down, and then at some point somebody else will be proven right about the fact that they took a risk and it didn't pay off, and so so much of it can be fear-based.
Speaker 2:And there's two different types of eldest daughter entrepreneurs that I work with, and these are the ones that want to. You know the lower end type. It's like I know I got some shit, but I'm trying to build this business on a foundation of myself, who I am, not who other people want me to be, and that's really important, that I continue to challenge myself. And then there's the eldest daughter who has already created a business and she could follow everybody else's rules, or she's the one who's created some of the rules.
Speaker 2:She's seen some success, but she's seen that success through walking the straight and narrow, doing everything the way that she's supposed to do, and it has limited her self-expression. It has bought her money, but it hasn't really bought her fulfillment. And now she's at the point where she's like I'm where everybody should know my name. I am that girl, I am the one for people to know. But I know that I have to be ready to fully stretch myself and fully see myself in order for other people to fully see me. And I know that this is the inner work that I kind of have to do to be comfortable with like being fully myself, because her success up until this point has been defined by strategies and analytics and tactics. It hasn't been defined by. This is who I am, and you can either get with it or get lost, and that feels so different. So she needs to be stretched in that way too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like, as you were speaking, I was like, oh my gosh, that's so me. Like I feel like I never, even to this day, my parents don't even know, like what my business is. My mom will always be like, whatever that thing is that you do, it's not like a you know, like I've held the podcast and I've held my coaching business like to myself, because I feel like this is more authentically me and I don't know that they see me as me and so it's. You kind of mentioned that and I guess my underlying question there is that like a theme with eldest daughters where we just don't. It's almost like I don't show them who I am because I don't want that judgment or the pressure of like.
Speaker 1:You know my brother, he's he's younger, but he's had the same career for 15 years. He's really successful, he's an engineer, he's makes a lot of money, he's he's done everything the right way, right, and I haven't. And so I've held a lot of shame by that and I've felt like I've been held to that standard of like that's the path I was supposed to go down. So is that something that's very common in that? And just like holding authenticity like to ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yes, you're literally every single one of my clients, every one of my clients. It's like a lot of my clients come to me like I don't want to be like this or I don't want to be like that, but then when I ask them who they actually want to be, they don't know. And there's so much of who you are is defined in relativity to another person as opposed to just who you are by yourself. And that's why, again, human design and numerology and gene keys are so important in the work, because it's like this is who you are, but then embodying her without that shame, without that ability to just be like. I really don't care what you have to say, because this is my truth and I know that somebody needs to hear it, and my life's work is to take responsibility for the effect that my aura has on people. So, simply because I exist, in whatever outlandish form I exist in, shows people what's available to them. And amazing, beautiful women like you are like I am amazing.
Speaker 2:But I hold so much of that to myself because I am worried about that shame, I'm worried about some level of guilt, I'm worried that people will misunderstand me, me, but you long to be this person who's like damn, I said the thing. Or I command a room where people are looking at me like she really owns who she is and I lead from that place of I know who I am. I'm not worried about what other people have to say about me, but getting you to that place requires such a deep level of inner work. And that's exactly the work that I do, because all of my clients are just like you in that fact of I know I want to have more, but I don't want it to come from a place of proving like mom. Why don't you understand what my business is? It's coming from a place of. This is what I do, and if you want to watch, you can watch. But I'm not really worried about whether or not you're about to judge me for this, because this is what I'm here to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's it's hard to do when you cause, even now I've. So the more I like lean into my authenticity, the less I find that I care and I can actually say, like I was telling a friend the other day, somebody cause I don't know, it's almost like being an entrepreneur, like almost feels like I'm doing something illegal, where it's like what do you do? And I'm like, well, I don't have like a job, you know, like in that sense. But the more that I feel like I've owned that and just been like this is I'm self-employed or I, this is what I do, it's more powerful. But there is still that little piece that it's like you know, in certain situations, right, it's hesitant, like what are they going to think? Or or you know, kind of like you said, that acceptance.
Speaker 1:I feel like I spent a lot of my life seeking that validation from other people to like feel valid myself. You know, and it's for a long time that question of like, well, what do you want? I remember I went to therapy and that my therapist always asked me that what do you want? It's like I don't know. Even in relationships it's like what do you want in a relationship? I don't know. You tell me.
Speaker 2:And don't know. You tell me yeah, and we do. We do a lot of this inside of my work. I recently held like an intention setting session a couple of weeks ago with my clients and then I opened it to the public too and we went on a list of like the five whys. So when I had them originally set their intention, I'm like this isn't what you actually want. We're going to get into the actual why. And so every time they came to a new conclusion, I'm like yeah, but why, but why, but why? And you don't really want to make 60k this quarter. You just want to be yourself, and just being yourself will invite that.
Speaker 2:And so what does just being yourself mean? And so many again of these women don't have this direction. It's like I'm just doing the thing. You get stuck in the motions and I feel that of like, well, what if people ask me I actually love telling people what I do they're like what do you do? And I'm like I'm a life coach and they're like God. And then people are like I've only ever seen people like that on the internet. And I'm like, yeah, that's cool, right, but it's like and then when people talk to me a little bit more. They're like this totally checks out. You're exactly, you know, the person that we think that you are.
Speaker 2:But radical ownership of everything it is that you want is one of the first steps in leading yourself so that you can lead others.
Speaker 2:Because how can you tell other people what to do or guide them or mentor them if you don't take radical ownership of everything that you want for yourself, for everything that you desire to have for yourself? Because then we're not fully leading from a place of authenticity, which is why, in all of the sessions that we have inside of my coaching programs we have five every month I only lead one of them. There's four other women that co-facilitate inside of my program. They're all women of color and they're all projectors. And the somatic breath work, the EFT sessions, the meditations I go to all of them because and I share so anything that comes up for me during somatic breath work, I share, because I'm not perfect and I know that I have my own things to work through. And when I show these women what it feels like to fully engage in the work and fully embrace it for themselves, they feel more empowered to fully own their truth too, so that way they can step into it and actually lead from the person that they know they are.
Speaker 1:I was watching this podcast interview yesterday. I don't know the guys that were on it. They're both like really famous people. I've never heard of them, but anyway. But one thing one of them was saying was that he said he was talking about how he never prepares a script or anything. When he does these big talks, he doesn't go in there with things outlined, he just literally lets it flow.
Speaker 1:But he was saying one time he got in there and somebody asked a question that really triggered him and so he was like in that moment, like I could have done the people-pleasing thing, or like the imposter syndrome, and like, but he was like I just sat with it.
Speaker 1:He's like I actually cried on stage and but like to to your point, like I think it's showing up in your authenticity and like owning your humanness, because I think you know I don't know if that's an older daughter thing but that imposter syndrome, that like needing to be perfect into, like having this, like mask, on that the people can be like. I know like human design is six, three. So I think that role model part where I'm like I don't know if I can let you in my mess because I'm supposed to be over here Like I'm showing you how to do things and I've been through it myself, but then like, yeah, you have moments of just being a human and it can be really challenging to share that. So I think that's really beautiful that you do show up and like and share your experiences, that things are coming through for you, so people can really see that that part of the process.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, and for you and I both having that three line right, it's okay, you're the role model. But you're the role model because, one, you know what you know. But two, because you've constantly played and tried and tried and tried again, and our lives are built around constantly trying new things and then ditching them or being like this isn't what works. Like my friend asked me today cause I posted on my stories, I took my braids out yesterday and I was like I have to remember condition my hair first, then wash it, then condition again. She's like what are you talking about? I was like first time I took my braids out and I shampooed my hair first, it matted my hair up and it took me 45 minutes to comb it out and so much of my hair came out. I was like so now I condition it and comb it out first, then I wash it with shampoo and I condition again. She's like that must be why I lose so much hair when I take my braids out. She's like I learned something new every day and I was like you're welcome from your trial and error friend.
Speaker 2:Like nobody wants this perfectly polished person anymore. I don't know how it was ever popular, but again, that's a projector thing, but women whimsically running through the streets in high heels wearing the pinkest blazer ever and popping champagne at every chance they get the pinkest blazer ever and popping champagne at every chance they get. It's so perfectly polished and it's so aggravating. And I see right through it because I'm like there's still something that you're not comfortable with people seeing and that is not how we mentor others anymore. People want to know that you have been through the things that you're guiding them through. It's not just about strategy anymore. It's not just about a DM script. It's not just about you know a specific way to lean into buyer psychology. People want to know that you get them at the deepest level, that they need to be seen, and we can only show them that by being brave enough to be ourselves. And that's why half my posts, when they start like I do a carousel, half my posts are just me twerking, because I'm like this is literally what I do on Wednesday nights.
Speaker 2:Don't you want a fulfilling life too? I have so much of a life outside my business. But it didn't start that way Me, apparently. I've always been louder and prouder than most people, but I didn't always feel that way. It took me a lot to even be comfortable doing what I've done now people, but I didn't always feel that way. It took me a lot to even be comfortable doing what I've done now. But people have always looked to me for advice because I always felt more of an ownership around who I was.
Speaker 2:And that's the point of the projector too, is to help show the generator and the manifesting generator who they are. I know who I am. A lot of y'all don't, and that's my job is to help you see who you are, because you guys are the life force of this planet and to build something that is amazing, but to build it from a place of true authenticity, to build it from a place of happiness and fun and care and from a place of I get to do this. I can't believe this gets to be my life. I can't believe it gets to be this easy instead of a place of obligation. I don't want to. Is this all that? There is the flip and the dynamic pushes so much positive energy throughout our planet and just the human experiment in general. It's beautiful and it's so amazing to be able to guide that energy, because I can't have any of it, so I might as well guide it.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, I love it. And I think it's so fascinating to me when, because you obviously have such an open chart, like all your centers, you're really amplifying a lot of energy from others. And then that one, that one, three, right, that really does hold like insecurity. But it's so interesting that when you know people people, I mean I'm just meeting you but I see a confidence, I see a knowing and that really, I think shines through in the way that you communicate. And it's just interesting when you meet somebody who's design and we're all supposed to believe, oh, if you're open, then you're just walking around being so sensitive and I don't think that it necessarily means that I dated a reflector for over a year and he was like one of the most confident people I've ever met and it just like it's. I think we have this misunderstanding of what the openness actually means in human design, because it's like I feel like maybe you've just leaned more into your gifts, right, which are communicating, which are speaking right, speaking your truth, and things like that.
Speaker 2:So it's like it's less about, I think, all the openness and more about, like, focusing on what you do really well. Yeah, and having an undefined or an open center isn't a bad thing. It's easily, you know, it's easy to be construed as a bad thing. One thing I've been thinking about over the past few weeks was I realized that I had a completely open like spleen, so I have zero gates coming from there. That and my sacral. I have absolutely no gates touching either of those two things, which is just incredible to me how the spleen operates and how it is the center for fear.
Speaker 2:I realized, because I have a decent amount of fear, but I was like, wait a second, none of this is mine. And they're like, a person who has a completely open spleen does not come into this world with any fear of their own. And I recognize that in my youngest child. She also has a completely open spleen as a, even as a mani-gen, and I can see it. She constantly walking shit up and down the stairs and I'm like you're going to fall, but she's four, she doesn't have anything to fear, there's nothing happening here.
Speaker 2:And I'm like my fear of flying not my own, my fear of driving over bridges not my own, and something that has made me feel really good is like at the end of this experiment, I will be deconditioned from the way that I was supposed to be and I'm like I'm really looking forward to flying without fear, going back on bridges and driving again without fear, because I can remember distinct points in time when I started to fear those things more and when I realized it's not mine, it's somebody else's. I'm like this is so exciting because probably by the time I'm 40, I won't feel this way anymore, and that's really exciting. That's something that you really get to look forward to and it's not a bad thing, and I think it also helps with the guidance, because I also have 10 million ideas swirling around in my head, like I could do this and I can do that. And I'm like hold up, you got an undefined head, so you, you're going to be like I can do this and I can do that, and I don't want to keep starting and stopping and starting and stopping, and it's like take a second, is this something that you actually should be doing right now, or should you? And it's just such a beautiful roadmap and there's nothing negative about it at all.
Speaker 2:Um, although I just sometimes I wish, like, can I like half fill the sacral? Like just a little bit, a little bit more, and it's a little because I'm looking at my schedule today and I'm like I over committed. I'm supposed to be three different and this is a bad idea.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be so grumpy by four o'clock, oh yeah, I feel that I mean I have a defined stake role and sometimes I'll like I'm a Taurus sun, so sometimes I don't know if I just like I really lean heavily into that sometimes, or like I just sometimes love to just lay in bed and do my work, where I'm like this is so comfortable for me. I comfortable for me, I think it's that earth energy, right, we just like that. Safety and security, and even the one three wants that security and safety and knowing that there's that foundation below you to be able to like build on. But yeah, I don't know, like, obviously, human design is just fascinating and how it, how we can align to it and how it shows up. And yeah, I think that we're always kind of even going back to, like the oldest daughter thing. I just think that we're always like looking for what's wrong with us instead of focusing on what's right with us. And I'm you know, those are big air quotes because there's nothing right or wrong, you know.
Speaker 1:But, like I know, I spent so long and I do think it's a part of the journey I spent so long looking at my shadows and like trying to fix them and then finally got to the point where I was like why am I focusing on something that doesn't come innate to me? Like why don't I just focus on things I'm good at? Yeah, you know, like I have a defined throat, my, my solar plexus and my throat's connected, so, literally, me speaking about emotions is part of, like, my purpose. So it's like why am I holding that? It like hurts me to hold it, like you not being able to speak your truth. You know, like this, just it would be like you not being able to speak your truth.
Speaker 2:You know, like. That's just. It's like focusing on the shadow is I. I think when you focus on what it is that you're actually good at, you're innately transcending the shadow by amplifying what it is that you're good at. Nobody said that you had to actually focus on it and try and fix it. Like you said.
Speaker 2:For me it's just an act of I don't know obliviousness or an act of ignorance to be like. I'm not choosing to focus on that. I'm choosing to focus on what I know it is that I'm good at, and I will naturally transcend what I feel is negative about myself. I mean, I practice imperfect movement all the time, even as a one three who was like do I know enough? Of course it comes up all the time. Even as a one three who was like do I know enough? Of course it comes up all the time. Anytime somebody asks me about human design, I'm like well, I'm not certified. I don't go around reading other people's charts for them. I have somebody to come and do it for me and I'm. But when people want to talk to me about it, I transcend the shadow of do I know enough by willingly accepting and saying, yes, I can't wait to talk about this because I know I know what I know too and I know that I have done enough work. I'm also just not a fool for certifications. I think a lot of certification work is just perfectionism and action, and it's an excuse to continue to not be visible to people who need to see you, because you're waiting for a perfect time, and that's something else that a lot of eldest daughters do too. We get a lot of degrees, a lot of certifications, a lot of courses, a lot of training and another way of this proving energy, and it's like well, I'm not good enough now, but maybe after I get this one more certificate, as soon as it drops into my email, then I'll be good enough. And then you never feel good enough and it's because you're not taking the appropriate action. And then that is where I've had to come in with my clients like put that shit down, you do not need another certification, you do not need another training course.
Speaker 2:Follow what makes you interested, follow what lights your heart up in that moment, but don't research because you feel inadequate. Research because it's something that you want to have, it's something that you want to know. I go down rabbit holes all the time. But it's not because I feel inadequate, it's because I'm like oh, this is interesting, and then the more that I know it's interesting. I seem to learn things as soon as I need to know them. So as soon as I have an experience, somebody somehow, like in the next week, needs the knowledge that I just learned and I'm like this is so cool. But if I was just trying to learn because I felt inadequate, it wouldn't feel as easy, it wouldn't feel as giving, it wouldn't feel as abundant as it does when I'm just like well, I want to learn about this. I'm going to spend an hour and a half on Google figuring it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I 100% agree and definitely fell into that. Like I need all the certifications and all the. I don't have a human design certification either, but I'm also like I've spent six years like studying and researching and like I've had to like reframe that to be cause people will be like, oh, where were you certified? I'm like I just learned it, you know. Like same thing with astrology I there's so many resources out there and like my own experience and like you meet or you learn more I feel like engaging with people and engaging with life than you do like from the books. Like I always I was fortunate to have traveled a lot in my life and I will always say to people like I think that experience gave me more education than going to school A thousand percent, because it's like you're going places with people who don't look like you, who don't have the same cultures, and you're finding a way to communicate and understand and being curious and being open, and I value that experience 100% more than any paper. That said, I learned something Like it's just it's yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so much better for you, it's so much more real. I personally think that degrees and certification and training courses are just another arm of the patriarchy. It's just another arm of capitalism. It's just another way for us to feel inferior and like that. There's always something more to strive for, as opposed to just radically owning who we are. And I have my MBA and I'm like I don't care about macroeconomics, I don't care about any of that. That's not helping me. I don't care what the world economy is doing right now. I care about saying what I need to say and the people who want to pay me will pay me.
Speaker 2:And I didn't learn enough that I wanted to know from all of those degrees that came from proving energy. And I'm learning more from my coaches, learning more from my sales coach. I've had two sales coaches now and it's like learning all of these different things. Like my sales coach said to me the other day. She was like when you call out the lurkers, she's like you're giving them the attention that they're craving and they still don't move because you're giving them the attention that they need. So she's like we ignore them. And I was like because I love to rag on people who say they want to change and then never do anything about it. And she's like you've spent so much time talking to people like that and then nobody ever does anything about it. She's like you want to talk to people who are ready to move right now and I didn't learn that in any of my degrees. Who was going to teach me that? No, I needed to learn from people who have done the same thing I did. They tried it, it didn't work. They tried this way. It didn't work. And then I talked to them about who I am. And they don't try to make me fit in with everybody else, because I won't and I'm not going to hire you if you even think you're going to try and make me fit in. But it's like it's like, okay, say what you want to say. And she's like you must keep twerking on your stories. It's something that you do and I'm like I know I'm going to do that anyway.
Speaker 2:And it's for me, it's such a radical act of defiance to say I am the woman in my industry. I have already been on stages where people listen to me and I intend to be on even more stages. And I don't dress up. I do all my work, for my bed. Everywhere I go, I probably have on sneakers and sweatpants. All of my content is me acting an absolute donkey, because that is who I am.
Speaker 2:And if we can step away from the perfectly polished blazer and pantsuit version of what it means to have success, what it means to have wealth, what it means to be a person who has it all, if you can see more of yourself in me and not in that person, then I've done everything right, because I want to dismantle this entire bullshit system that we have built, because it's complicated, it's not real, it doesn't work, it burns people out, it makes them feel inferior. And if I can dismantle that by sharing my hip hop videos or sharing how much smut books I've read this month, then I'm going to do that it's funny, like as you're, I was thinking I've, I've gone down the whole rabbit hole of like all the ACOTAR books and I'm on fourth wing now.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but like I, like, as we were kind of talking about like the whole education, have you read iron flame, or was it called iron whatever?
Speaker 2:fourth, the fourth, fourth wing, and then I think it's iron flame and Onyx storm. I have not read them, yet I haven't.
Speaker 1:I'm in a different land of smart right now oh god, I got it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's that's where I'm currently at. But, like, one of them was like you know they're, they're like dragon riders and so they're in this formal education system and then, you know, without like spoiling anything, they get out of it. But then they're like, they look back and they're like why were they not teaching us this in school? Like this is what's empowering us, this is what's making our magic bigger, and it's just like I I love fantasy and I love that kind of stuff, just because it's like it is fantasy and it isn't like an alternate reality with like magic, but then also, like we all have magic, we all have these abilities like to think that we're so disconnected from like and I love like witch books because they're so connected to earth and these elements and the ground and they're very much in their sexuality and there's just like so much like power to it. I don't know if that was a complete tangent, but you mentioned some of my books and I was thinking of like the last scene in mine.
Speaker 1:I was like oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:So good, oh my god, I know the one I finished yesterday. Like this series, I've been ice planet barbarian series and I'm like girl muddy, I'm like don't think listen. Just because you see me reading does not mean I am getting any smarter way more going on over here. That's why I'm so right ask me what I'm reading. Don't be reading over my shoulder either, because you don't know what you're gonna see on that page my daughter did that once and she was like he licked her.
Speaker 1:What I'm like?
Speaker 2:go away I'll explain to you when you're older. But you should know about that. We already talked, talked about it.
Speaker 1:She's 59, six, that's the only channel that she has. And so I've noticed, like we've had, we've had this sex conversation like years ago, because I'm like people are going to come to you, just because you hold that energy, like adults will tell her things that I'm like they're not even like sexual, but just in general like adults will tell her things and she'll repeat it to me. I'm like why would that person think that was okay to tell you Literally? But it's just because of that energy, it's just like that training, like aura that they have. It's crazy, but that's off topic.
Speaker 2:Okay, we can do a whole other episode about the smut we read, I know, right. I feel like the more that we're honest about the smut that we read, the more empowering it is for all of us, because then, especially when we're sharing it on the internet, people are like what smut are you reading? You should read this. And now we're having this whole girl gang of everybody's in their book girl era reading the smuttiest stuff out there, owning who they are making their money, and I'm like it could all be so simple.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's crazy, and I was 100% that person that, like for years probably for like six, seven years, probably for like six, seven years all I read was human design, self-help, person development. I was just like that. I was like I don't watch TV, I don't watch movies, like I'm so in it. And then, like this summer was when it happened, I probably read 20 books since then and I'm like I forgot how much this makes me creative.
Speaker 1:It helps me, tap it, like there's like there's so much beyond just like the sex. But even that it's like Ooh, now I know what I want to try next time. Like it's just like ignites this, like part of you that I think so much of us are suppressing. And then I in that right, it's still like allowing us to be more authentic. Because it's like oh, I actually like this stuff. Like I started sharing like, kind of like, like sex things on my Instagram, you know, just like little clips from books and people are like Rochelle, I'm like, but it's so good this is also part of like what I do with every day.
Speaker 1:I'm like reading this stuff. Why can't I share it?
Speaker 2:I mean, and that's and I think that's the other tool right, it's like, again, as eldest daughters, not only are we taught we're supposed to be these persons, part of what we're taught is sex is bad, they are married, this, that and the because. Then you're taking away from other people. And I'm reading these books and one of these girls she's like. She's like I've never been with anyone. He's like okay. And she's like well, he was literally like okay. And he's like like what does this have to do with anything? And she's like well, you know, wouldn't you want? He's. She's like shouldn't I like not do things with myself? He's like wouldn't I want to know exactly what you want so that I can do that for you? And she's like oh, I never thought of it that way and it's.
Speaker 2:We grew up so much thinking that these things were off limits to us. Yeah, and we have all of these different role models and author form showing us what's available to us. And we have all of these different role models and author form showing us what's available to us. I'll be at some of it as a little outlandish. I was like my, my feet can't go all the way in that. We're not there. Yeah, I don't like it, but it's like you know things, like you know what's available to you, and it's like this permission slip to unleash ourselves onto the unsuspecting world.
Speaker 2:And I think that, as women, when we violently own everything about us not just how we run our mouths, but how we want to be seen sexually, how we want to be treated sexually, how we want to be, literally everything, and when it becomes about us, that's so much of the power that I think that hundreds of years ago, men realized and were like oh no, no, no, this threatens us. So she got to feel bad about herself. And it's like you can't make me feel bad about myself anymore, because you're right, One thing leads into the other. I read more of my smut books than I'm. Then, when I go to hip hop class and she got some thick twerking music on, I'm just like I got to twerk even harder.
Speaker 2:And then when I come home, I'm in such a good mood and that rolls over into my marriage. And then, then what? Then? Now he's satisfied. So now he's doing more things for me and taking better care of me, because he's all happy. And now he's all happy and he's everything he's taking care of. Now I feel taken care of. So now I'm going to go back and we're not taught that. We're taught that. You know, knowing ourselves and loving ourselves is somehow a threat to society, the way that it is, and all I can say is good, yeah, good Watch who they hate to see me coming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that even just when you look even regardless, I was gonna say astrologically, which, yes, is like a huge factor in like what we're experiencing, but just like energetically, like looking around, like where we're going I think that we're just so many more people are realizing like this isn't it, like this is not working. We are fitting, continually trying to fit into a box that is not made for us anymore, and so, of course, within that, it's a lot of challenge and fear and all the things that are happening, but like can you look at that, I think, and be excited for what's on the other side of it and can you come back to, and I think that's why it's like conversations like this and authenticity and like knowing yourself and learning yourself are so important now because we're, as a society, it's so unstable and it's so unknown that if you can't stand in yourself, love yourself and be confident in that, like I, like you almost have nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's why it's so important for women like us to continue to be visible and to continue to show people what's possible for them when they do stand in their power, because there's going to be our voice, and then there's going to be the voice of safety. There's going to be the voice of trying to manipulate you into staying where you are, and it's going to be easier to follow that voice than it is going to be to follow us. But we have to continue to be loud. We have to continue to create this impact, and that's why I work with these women who are like I have to be her. It's like I'm going from this is what was safe, but I'm not exactly at the woman who has this big impact yet, but I know that I want to be her, and so I'm learning how to be her so that I can help other women who come behind me.
Speaker 1:Yeah and sort of like. So bringing it back to the eldest daughter so say, I mean, I am an old story, but like if I come to you and I work with you, like what does the work look like? And like what are the? I guess like what are the tools? Or how am I like kind of discovering myself? And I think also specifically, you know, for entrepreneurs, I think money stories are like huge in like the way that we operate and, like you said, even being able to be like I'm asking for $2,000 instead of 500, because I know that that's what I'm worth. Right, how do we like begin to shift that mindset, to like be more empowered in who we are and show up in our business that way?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So one of the again the ways that I love to work with my established entrepreneurs is inside of my mastermind. And the first month of the mastermind, my coach describes it as a sandwich and it's just so intense because you are about to see yourself more clearly than you've ever seen yourself in your entire life, and so most of the women that come into my programs aren't as well versed in human design and numerology and gene keys and things like that. So we cover that right out the gate. It's like what's your human design? What are your gene keys? What is your overview statement for numerology? Because what I'm not about to do is walk you through six months of you trying to figure out who you are in that regard. We know what you're here to do. Let's figure out what feels good for you with this blueprint and then we get into the root of why you haven't already been this person and whatever these reasons are. Well, and I get to them super fast. Just because I pick it out, I'm like, nope, you skipped over this line and you think I didn't see it, but you said it and it's like okay, why don't I feel comfortable charging more? Why don't I feel comfortable being seen in this space.
Speaker 2:And then we use all of our continuous somatic practice to work through that Somatic breath work, eft tapping, abundance, mindset work. We spend 80% of the work in the subconscious mind rewriting all of it, going through all of it we do. I highly recommend Dr Joe Dispenza's Tuning into New Potentials Quantum Meditation. We spent a lot of time working through that one because it's like the more that you spend time in an infinite field of possibilities bringing the one possibility you want to yourself, the sooner you can have it and the more tangible it becomes and the easier it becomes for you to embody that person. And so 20% of the work is top level, with me being like babe, what are you doing? And the 80% of the work is you know that this is the thing that you're struggling with and we are constantly feeding your subconscious mind new information, constantly feeding your subconscious mind new information. So that way, and I literally have clients who wake up one day and they're like I'm something's different and I feel completely empowered to do the thing.
Speaker 2:Now I have one client. She was like just small changes, like she was working on co-coaching inside of another like program, and she was like well, I can do this and I can do that. She did one subliminal meditation which all of the meditation work, all of the somatic, everything that's done in my program is bespoke for this program, it's made for this particular client. And she did that subliminal meditation and she was like I came back and the next day I told this woman I'm actually really badass and I actually do way more than I talked to you about yesterday and it was like watching that needle move. It's a pleasure to be a part of, it's a privilege to watch these women grow.
Speaker 2:And so it's like that first month of just figuring out why you're here, because I also work with highly emotionally intelligent women who know exactly what it is that's causing the rift.
Speaker 2:They just don't know how to get past what it is that's causing the rift. They just don't know how to get past it. And that's when I create this funnel of we're doing this breath work, we're doing this hypnosis, we're doing this using this modality, here, there and everywhere, and I am just there with you every step, watching you as you grow, helping you. When you feel like this feels really big today, because I don't really know, but I know this is what I'm supposed to do and I just, I just need somebody to give me a swift boot in the ass to do it, and I promise I'm going to do it. And it's this beautiful way and there's six, nine and 12 months of like, of this way that you can work with me, because obviously some women need more help than others, but they're still all their way on, like on their way to their biggest impact. But, yeah, it's um, it's 80% subconscious work and I pick and choose the direction. We do that combined with me at the conscious level.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing Sounds. I mean so powerful that subconscious work is like literally everything, cause I think that you can think that you're doing the work and just like fall into those patterns and you're like, oh my gosh, I thought I was here and then this happened, right. So I think supporting that and constantly being in that space is really powerful.
Speaker 2:Well, and it shows up. It shows up in in your offers too, Right? So, like I had one client, she came through and she had this like free community, and she was a five one. And I'm like, girl, people are projecting all over you and you don't know how to field that out. Yet I'm like, so you don't need this free community. I'm like because people are just asking you to do more and more and more and more and more, and this is a one-sided relationship. You're not getting anything out of this. And so I'm like you need to nix it. And she's like you're totally right. And so she did. And she swapped that for in favor of like a low cost, like $20 a month, community.
Speaker 2:And I was like you also need to nix, like like mid ticket coaching, like 2k product. I was like this isn't for you either. And she was like no, you're so right, I've been bored with it. Da, da, da da. And so it's like it's not just what's holding you back, it's how is this reflected and how you're operating your business and walking you through it as you're experiencing it, and you might come into the program like, well, no, I like this, and then later you're like this will absolutely not do anymore because I've grown so much. Let's figure out how I can create more cash in a more aligned way for me and still create that impact in a way that's not sucking the life out of me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I recently launched like a program and I spent a lot of time like wondering what I should price it at right. My subconscious beliefs, my limiting beliefs was all coming up and then I like had to sit with myself and be like Rochelle you've been in this work for like seven years. At what point are you going to feel like an expert, like you have to. Just so I did. I put the price higher than I've put anything before and it's like I almost feel like when you do that, there's less of a conversation Like people will if they, if they buy, they know they're in it. There's no like well, what about this? Or can I do? It's just like. It's like a knowing almost, and so I don't know that.
Speaker 1:I think there was something about that too, but that was magnetic. That like drew people in Cause. I was like Whoa, this was really easy. I just had to like believe in myself and be like no, I'm worth, like all this information. All this time I've spent learning, like putting it out there. But it is. It is a hard I think hard like step to get out.
Speaker 2:Like it took many launches of me having the coach Um and that's the beauty of having the guidance, because you don't have to sit there and ruminate for years over how many launches am I going to continue to do this? For how many different times am I going to do this to myself where it's like no, no, no. I know exactly the tool that it is that I need to use in this moment to push myself past this point. I'm going to use it, I'm going to do it and I'm going to own it. I'm going to embody it, because when I stand with my chest puffed out, even if it feels a little bit scary and it feels a little shaky, I'm still standing here, and that is how I'm attracting these people who want to work with me, and then that is how I gain more confidence, over and over and over again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, and I think that sometimes that's the chaos of the third line is like forcing ourselves to go through that Cause. Then it's like well, now I know I've done it for six years why don't we have you do it in two or less?
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. It's like your empowerment doesn't have to take forever and ever. Like I first started selling this program. It was 10 K and I was like I don't know how we're going to sell a 10K program. And then I sold a 10K program. I was like it needs to go up to. I was like six months isn't long enough. I was like I need a nine month option and I was like I need to raise, you know, that option to 15. And I was like I don't know how I'm going to do it. And then the girl at first she didn't say anything. She was like I don't know if I can, but I had. I didn't see the message. And then by the time I checked the message, she was like actually I'm having this bill clear up. She was like so I'm ready now.
Speaker 2:And I was like wow, okay, I can sell it. People are willing to do damn. Look what happens when you just have the audacity to own your shit.
Speaker 1:100, and I think like which could be a whole other conversation like money is fake, so fake, you know, like we put all this weight on something that's not even real. Yeah, I think like shifting that too is helps, but well, and the fact that you it's.
Speaker 2:It's fake, but it's also infinite and you can have so much of it, and by you having some of it, you're not taking away from other people. It's just one small aspect of the abundance that you can have and it's like you are amazing. Why not you? Why not? Why shouldn't you have all of this money? Why? Because you think if you have a lot of money, you're a bad person. No, now we're going to work through that, because that's why you don't have any money right now. Or you think you have to change, you think you have to give it to people, or you think something has to happen in order for you to have space for money. And again, we noticed these things, you know, head on in my programs and it's like oh okay, I see what's going on here, let's fix that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You can get paid. Oh my gosh, I could literally talk to you all day. This has been so interesting. I know we like jumped around and kind of went on a lot of tangents, but I do think that, like the message here is really powerful and I think, like just the energy that you bring, like it's definitely felt and and is empowering, like I even just come like conversating, having conversation with you, I'm just like, yeah, I'm a badass, like I can do this. So how can people find you? And then, and how can they work with you? And I'll, of course, have it linked up in the show notes as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you can find me on Instagram or threads at a Frank life coach. I'm also on LinkedIn and I cause a very big stir on LinkedIn. So if you're looking to shake up that platform, you can definitely find me over there just on my regular name. And then again, the two ways that I work with women is my baby entrepreneurs are inside of my membership called Audacity, really helping them become inevitable, become unstoppable, become confident in how they show up in their business and creating that foundation. And then I have my Ruthless Pursuit of Self Mastermind, which is for my established entrepreneurs who are ready for such a big impact and I know that they're ready for that next level of work that goes far beyond strategy and far beyond funnels and figuring out what to say next and just learning true embodiment of who they are.
Speaker 2:And you can find all of that information on the fccoachcom. I don't know how long it's going to stay that way. I am rebranding from a business brand to a personal brand this year and it's going to be way more wild, so I'll let you know when that shifts. But yeah, that's how you can find me, that's how you can see all my twerking, all of my antics threads, If you really want to see the unhingedness threads is. I don't know what I put on there. I'd be black that is amazing.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to definitely have to go follow you on there. Well, thank you so much for being here and sharing your energy and just being with me for, you know, the last hour and having this conversation. It's really been amazing.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you for inviting me, of course.
Speaker 1:Of course.