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Spotless Glasses and Thoughtful Leadership
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Can cleaning your glasses lead to a philosophical epiphany? We kick off this episode with a funny chat about the art of spotless specs before diving into our Thanksgiving tales, where family, food, and Filipino traditions reign supreme. Picture lumpia stacked high, pancit served steaming, and the laughter of loved ones echoing in the background. Through these stories, we share how these celebrations are more than just meals; they are treasured moments that bring us closer together.
Yet, the feast isn’t the only thing on the table. We take a hard look at toxic leadership and its impact across various settings like ministry and corporate worlds. Personal anecdotes highlight the struggle of confronting these issues within rigid hierarchies, where speaking up is often met with resistance. We discuss the necessity of leaders being open to feedback and accountable for their actions, stressing how a lack of this can lead to a frustrated and unmotivated team. The episode sheds light on how openness to constructive criticism can promote growth, no matter if you're leading a church worship team or guiding a family unit.
As we weave through tales of ineffective leadership and the importance of dialogue, we don't forget to sprinkle in some lighter moments. From sharing our favorite TV shows like "Suits" and festive films, to heartwarming anecdotes of family and gratitude, there's something for everyone. This episode wraps up with a reminder to appreciate the simple joys in life and encourages you to support our podcast by sharing these conversations with others. Thank you for being part of our podcast family!
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Toxic Leadership & Thanksgiving Chats
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Speaker 3My eyes are so. Four years ago.
Speaker 1What 2020.
Speaker 3What?
Speaker 2is wrong with you. Is it four years?
Speaker 1It's almost five.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3Well, it's still a good joke.
Speaker 1Is it math for another month, so I hate when you wipe it and they just smear and smear and it's just worse and worse. And it depends on what shirt you're wearing. Some shirts are just not good for it, like this one is terrible.
Speaker 2Yeah, it just pushes it around, it doesn't clean it. Yeah for sure. How do you clean your eyeballs, tyler? Take, take one of those, uh, alcohol lens wipes and put it on your eye. See if that cleans it. That is a fantastic idea.
Speaker 3See how goes.
Speaker 1Wait till we're on video for that.
Speaker 2New segment how to burn your eyeballs out. What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up. Everybody, Welcome back to a brand new episode of the Almost Brothers podcast, not sponsored by Fresca.
Speaker 1Sorry.
Speaker 2It is refreshing though, isn't it?
Speaker 1I'm actually just going to make you really mad because it's the last one, but I'm not a huge fan of fresca dang, but I'm thirsty and that's what you had he's drinking it in vain.
Speaker 3He's drinking my last one, right I'm sorry.
Speaker 1Oh my god, now we'll never be sponsored by fresca right, we'll be sponsored right, right, you're on your own you gotta bring your own drinks.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's like d-y-o like right, that's awesome.
Speaker 2How are y'all? Doing how was thanksgiving?
Speaker 3it was good man yeah, very lots of food oh my gosh like so much yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 1Most of my adult children were there yeah which is an unusual thing, you know, to get all of my kids together at any time, but most of them were there for thanksgiving my mom's house, so it was the best like seeing everybody everybody got along. There was no brawls in the front yard or anything.
Speaker 2So which we had, we moved. We moved ours over to my, my dad's house, just because now we have all the kids are somewhat grown and now we're running out of room and it was really good it was really good. How about you, tyler?
Speaker 3it was all right, I had what four to go to? No we, so we did. We did thanksgiving with my mom and grandma and sister and, uh, my brother and his daughter last saturday.
Speaker 2Yeah, did the friends, yeah, the saturday before yeah did the friends gave him with y'all?
Speaker 3was it last last Monday or the Monday before Last Monday?
Speaker 2The Monday before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1It's all running together. Right, it really is.
Speaker 2This Monday.
Speaker 3Yeah, the one before Thanksgiving, and we went to two of her grandparents on Thursday and then another grandparents on Saturday.
Speaker 1This is a legitimate question. Does your mom and your grandma make Filipino food for? Thanksgiving Used to they don't do that anymore.
Speaker 3Yeah, I think it's too much cooking for them. Really, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1Yeah, well.
Speaker 3I mean, that was a common thing for my grandma to make. What does it consist of? So fried rice, of course.
Speaker 1Of course, yeah, but she made. I don't know she's never taught me how to make fried rice the way she makes fried rice, yeah, but it tops mine any day of the week, okay, and y'all and you like yeah, it tops mine any day of the week um we gotta go to grandma's house right like come on, there's lumpia, which is like a filipino egg roll okay, like a dumpling kind of thing or not. It's a little, is like a Filipino egg roll, like a dumpling kind of thing.
Speaker 3It's a skinny egg roll. It's a long skinny egg roll. It's like an egg roll, but skew the dimensions Some pancit, which is like some Filipino rice noodles, and then adobo, which is like a. It's a chicken and the adobo is the seasoning or whatever it's okay and now I'm hungry right man I am too, and I'm probably gonna call her, I don't listen can you make some for me?
Speaker 1you're gonna need to learn how to make this rice for us. There's a I told you.
Speaker 2The one in Cape.
Speaker 3Yeah, there's one in Cape. There's a Filipino food truck in Dexter.
Speaker 1Really, I did not know that. I think.
Speaker 2I've seen it. Is it close to?
Speaker 1the donut place.
Speaker 3Yes, it's sitting right across the street from Wings Awesome. I like food trucks.
Speaker 2I do too. We have one that's here on Thursday and Fridays every day, a barbecue one. It's pretty fantastic. I had a fish plate. It was good.
Speaker 3Thursday and Friday, every day, yeah.
Speaker 2Thursday and Friday Every day, every Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 3You said Thursday and Friday every day.
Speaker 2Thursday and Friday every week is what I'm at.
Speaker 3friday you said thursday and friday every day, thursday and friday every week. That's what I'm at. Thank you, you're confusing the listeners.
Speaker 1You got people. You got people listening just like.
Speaker 3Oh, I don't even know is it every day?
Speaker 1is it every day, or is it thursday? When do?
Speaker 3I go to this it's gonna ruin my schedule.
Speaker 2I don't know haters are gonna hate, I swear haters off, it's gonna gate but on today's episode we are talking about toxic leadership. When is it okay to call out all the time, all the time?
Speaker 1yeah, it's, it's. That's the thing it's so necessary, yeah well, it's, it's necessary.
Leadership Accountability in Toxic Environments"
Speaker 2Of course you want to give people grace, but it it's something I feel like we we act like it's not there more times than we don't yeah and we allow it to happen.
Speaker 2And it happens for years and years and years, and people get hurt. People, you know, and, and in our circles it's ministry, but it could be a, you know, a business, it could be whatever, but it goes on for so long to where now you've built a culture of that toxicity, you know. So now nobody can do anything ever, you know, nobody wants to do anything because it's just a terrible place to be.
Speaker 3Yeah, right, well, from my experience in the military, from what I've seen, the reason most commonly why people don't do anything about it is because nothing gets done about it, right?
Speaker 2Right, it's pointless to say anything?
Speaker 3Yeah, because I mean, the military is very much based on a hierarchy of of rank. Everyone's going to try and pull rank, especially in situations like that, and it's always it's always higher ups in those, obviously in the leadership positions. Yeah, so you got a Sergeant or staff Sergeant, that's the worst leader, and you got a lowly little pfc or lance corporal trying to step up to him. All right, I'll pull rank on you. Right, I'll pull rank. You're gonna be on gate guard, you're gonna be out there doing whatever I say. Yeah, I'll knock you down rank two.
Speaker 2Right for, uh, insubordination and that's what allows it to continue. You know, it's like that happens and then the next person that wants to say something goes no, I'm not gonna say anything will happen to them you know, and it just continues and it gets. And it doesn't just continue the way it's going, it gets worse. Yeah, well, it trickles downhill yeah it trickles downhill.
Speaker 3So you got, I tell you, back to the military. You got a toxic leadership from your platoon sergeant, your platoon commanders, a toxic leader. And then you got your company commander and it it, like I said, trickles downhill, yeah, and, and it's harder to see from the top, they don't. It's I mean, I mean ministry, there's probably no, with, like the general Baptist convention or whatever it is, which I imagine there's probably not a lot of toxic leadership in. You know which I?
Speaker 2I mean, I feel like I'm kind of going back there is, but definitely not as much as the military, but it's a lot harder to see from the top yeah, well, because you you don't look back, you're kind of looking forward into what you're doing and what you're focused on. You, you don't look back, you're kind of looking forward into what you're doing and what you're focused on. So you don't really look down and you don't look backwards. You kind of put people in place and hope they do a good job and then, if there's no oversight in that because here's the problem is a lot of toxic leaders they talk a big talk about wanting to be held accountable until it's time to be held accountable and then they want nothing, nothing to do with it.
Speaker 3They want to hold other people accountable.
Speaker 2And they, they, they try to get you out of there before they're held accountable. Right, and and it just, it perpetuates the problem and it continues and grows.
Speaker 1A company that I used to work for it. The owner of the company was it was. He was every is you could be racist mis. He was every is you could be racist misogynist. You know, it was just. He was just a horrible person, but everything that he did was inconsistent.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1One day he'd come in, he'd want to micromanage everything, and then the next day he'd come in and he wanted nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 3Oh, it's the worst so you try to do something, and then he turns around.
Speaker 1Why are you doing that? I didn't tell you. Yes, it is the worst, it is terrible.
Speaker 2Because you don't know what to do. Now you're like do you want me to do it, do you not want me to do it? Like, what am I doing? And you come in frustrated every time. You're just like I don't know what to do, I don't know what you want, and that is a form of toxic leadership. That is one that goes unchecked, because a lot of people don't know what good leadership even looks like, so they don't even have a bar that they're setting.
Speaker 1There's no expectation Right.
Speaker 2So the leader doesn't know how to communicate what they expect. But then they still expect it out of you and you're like I don't know what you want from me, Right.
Speaker 1Well, and specifically in ministry, it's because of the friction. Yeah, nobody wants to have that friction of holding a higher up accountable. You know, if you go to a pastor and he's like you know. You said this in your sermon Sunday and I disagree with it. Can you explain this to me?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1So you get one of two responses you get.
Speaker 3don't ever question the man of God or I don't have time, you know there's never a Talk to one of the deacons about it.
Speaker 1Right, there's never a go to a pastor and get their viewpoint explained.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Well, historically speaking Right.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's out there. Of course, we're just talking generally, because, no, you don't. That's exactly the response you get. Who are you to question me? And it's like that's a dangerous place to be for any leader, right? And it's like that's a dangerous place to be for any leader, right? You know, if you can't be questioned or asked about something and be able to at least explain your stance on it, right, you shouldn't be in leadership, like, if you're not, if you're not that convicted about what you're doing, to be able to at least oh well, here's, here's why I think that way, or here's what I've seen then why are you doing it? Right, like I think leaders want to be leaders for the sake of being leaders, yeah, and they don't want anything that goes with it.
Speaker 3They just want to lead. Yeah, it's a title or the money, or both, yeah.
Speaker 2And they don't have someone that holds them accountable, and someone that's over them and someone that's pouring into them and saying, hey, you need to fix this. This is something that's not good. This is a pattern I'm seeing that needs fixed. They don't want that. So they get in a place of leadership and power and they batch it down the hatches and they stick it there and they get anybody out that would question what they're doing at all. So they go through all of this and they churn through people and they hurt people and they push people out of ministry and they do all these things and they legitimately think they're doing a good job, when really they're just using people.
Speaker 1Right, that's the way it was with this company I was talking about. They went through manager after manager, after manager after manager, because it was just the same nonsense with every single person that he dealt with was just the same nonsense with every single person that he dealt with.
Speaker 2And if your company, a church, anything that has continuously done that there is a problem that is not being addressed, right, it's not just your luck is so bad that you've had 15 guys come through and none of them worked out and every one of them was a problem. No, no, no. It sounds like you're the problem and you don't want to address it there.
Speaker 3There's a common denominator in those situations.
Speaker 2Right, you know, and of course we're all about grace and we're all about giving people a chance, but when is a good time to say, hey, enough is enough? You know, I know in Christian circles, we, well, we. This doesn't help the body to talk about one another or something, and it's like, is it not? If there's a problem, should we not address it? Should we not say this is a problem? Yes, yes, we should. I feel like we've let a lot of leaders go on for years being like this out of the well, you don't talk about the man of God.
Speaker 1It's like now, wait a second there should be times you have to go to, to certain people say, hey, this well, it's not lining up here and what? What we forget is the first part of that man. Every man has potential to be tempted and to be misguided and to have bad ideas you it doesn't matter how good your intentions are. You can have a bad idea yeah not everything that comes out of your mouth is is directly from god.
Speaker 3Nobody is that connected to god yeah, it's, it's a, it's a humility thing. And one thing I've learned, uh, from being under bad leadership and good leadership and being in leadership uh positions myself, is it's it's not about the person in the leadership position. I mean, take your church, michael. You ain't got no one in your church. What are you doing? Yeah, you got to lead those people. Yeah, Right.
Speaker 3You got to and you got to be the person that they want leading them. I always thought about this how you have employers and your bosses and whoever. Really, I think employees have more power than what they think in those situations, right. And no employees there, who's going to do the job?
Speaker 1The job's got to get done.
Speaker 3The job's got to get done. That's how it was when I was in the military. They wanted us to do something. Obviously it's going to get done. You need to be a good leader and we'll get it done. We'll do the best to our ability and it'll be a good time. Obviously, it's the military. You've got to embrace the suck sometimes, military, you gotta embrace the suck sometimes, but you know it's. You've got to humble yourself to know that it's not. It's the people under you doing the grunt work, yeah. So if you want to be a leader that doesn't want to do the grunt work, you're gonna have to, you know, figure it out and see what the people that you're leading need. Yeah.
Speaker 2And you and people want to follow a good leader like that. You've got people that want to help, that want to do things if you're a good leader. If you're not, they don't want to right. You know, and you know, talking about this, the, the church culture of oh well, you don't, you don't call anybody, you can't, you can't do that, you can't say that, you just move on and don't say anything. And bad leadership, right. Galatians 2, 11 through 14.
Speaker 2But when peter came to antioch, I had to oppose him to his face, for what he had did was very wrong. This is paul confronting peter. This is paul the apostle confronting a disciple of jesus, right because of something wrong. So I'm coming face to face with him. When he first arrived, he ate with the gentile believers who were not circumcised. But afterwards, when some of the friends of James came, peter wouldn't eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of the criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision.
Speaker 2As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter's hypocrisy and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. When I saw that they were not following the truth of the gospel message, I said to Peter in front of all the others since you, a Jew by birth, have discarded the Jewish laws and are living like a Gentile. Why are you now trying to make these Gentiles follow Jewish traditions? This is Paul calling out Peter to his face in front of other people when he says this is something that should not be happening. You're going to tell Paul hey, you shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1There's a time for everything.
Speaker 2Yes, so there's a time where we have to stand up for what's right and say this is not okay. I don't care how high you are in a position, this is not okay. I don't care how high you are in a position, this is not okay.
Speaker 1And you've got to, honestly, you have to be prepared for the consequences of that, as well. You know cause if it, if it doesn't go well, there's going to be consequences whether they're good or bad. So you have to be prepared and be strong enough to stand up and and stand for that and deal with what comes.
Speaker 2Yeah, and, and come from a one a loving place, but a place to, to want to see change right not just to call somebody out you know, we've got the you know, cancel culture and all that. That. They just want to call somebody out but to actually want to see change happen so it doesn't happen to someone else yeah, now you're going to get canceled, you know right?
Speaker 2yeah, you know we but we let stuff go. And then we we wonder how people get hurt. Or we see people in the same position that we used to be in because we didn't speak up. Right now they're going through the same thing we went through you know well it's like you're talking about.
Openness to Constructive Feedback in Leadership
Speaker 3There's going to be a consequence, no matter what the result is. I remember I was under a leadership uh, on a worship team at a church in the past and I didn't like how things were going.
Speaker 3I talked to what he was like you know, I think things need to change and you know I wasn't trying to be like. You know my ideas are better, but I was kind of like a. You know the way things are going now is not good and I think they need to change. And it basically came down to well, it's either my way or the highway, and so I was like, as much as I hate to say, I just got to step down yeah, right, and that's that that almost should never.
Speaker 2I mean, of course, if you have somebody that comes and it's a, it's an illegitimate right oh this needs to be.
Speaker 2It's like no, it doesn't, it's, everything's going great. But like, when somebody comes to you with that should never be your response as a leader. It should always be oh okay, well, let's see what we can do about that, whether or not you agree with it. Like if somebody that you know is putting the time, the energy, the effort into it has a problem, like let's see what we're thinking here, let's let's try to see, even if I don't agree with you. I want to see your side and see what you feel about it and explain my side, you know, and not just well, this is how it is. Like that, that that shows you a weak leader. That's what that shows you is. I cannot be questioned. I cannot stand on my own, on my own merits, on how I believe, and be questioned.
Speaker 1Well, and it that translates into leading your family as well. Yeah, you know, if, if you're a poor leader in your family and somebody's, because I've had this happen where my older kids would come and play like, hey, dad, this is, this is not the way this should be done yeah and, of course, your first reaction is you don't tell, I'm your dad, yeah right well I'll do what I want, you know, but that's not. That's not the response that we should have right it's the same thing as in any other leadership.
Speaker 1When you're leading your family, you should be open to understanding what you're doing wrong. Yeah, because we're going to screw up in that too. Right, and it's that we've got to be better at taking criticism and using it versus getting defensive immediately yeah, because you'll have people that see things you don't see, absolutely Absolutely.
Speaker 2You know, things that are just out of your view, and they'll be like, hey, I saw this and it's like, oh okay, cool, Like no matter where they're at below you. You know, take that into consideration, Take heart in that and go oh okay, you saw something I didn't see. Like let's see how we could fix this, you know, and also put people around you and also put people around you. Bad leaders like to hide their weaknesses.
Speaker 2Good leaders get people around them to strengthen where they're weak. Instead of saying, oh, I'm weak in this area, I need somebody to help me with this. They say, no, I'm strong in everything and really everybody's like no, you're not.
Speaker 3And people see through it, they see through it, and that's where that leadership starts to crumble.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3Because they see it. Everyone sees it, whether you don't think they do or not, they see it and they don't respect it. Yep.
Speaker 1And I'm so fast to dismiss Jennifer specifically. You know she'll come to me with I don't agree with the way you handled such and such and I'm like, well, I'm, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, instead of being like, yeah, you're probably right, I should have handled it differently, but I'm so fast, so quick to dismiss her yeah but don't know why. Yeah, and I didn't even realize it until we started talking tonight we're having breakthrough folks but yeah, it's just it.
Leadership Growth Through Dialogue
Speaker 3It's very easy to dismiss people in your life instead of listening, and that's the, that's the positive side of toxic leadership, because you see examples of that and that, uh, ends up teaching you what not to do, because I've seen lots of that and from my perspective in different areas of my life, and that's taught me how to, how to, how to not be right in a marriage and I feel like me and live when we were fostering those two girls I I think we worked very well as a team right in that aspect, that's cool well, even again, even if you disagree, so she could be wrong, but still taking that and going, okay, well, let me, let's, let me, let's talk about it, you know, and not just no, I'm gonna do things the way I want, because jamie will do that too.
Speaker 2she'll say, well, I don't, I don't like the color that you did this or something.
Speaker 2I mean just something random, and I and I'm just like, no, I'm dead set on it, instead of just going, no, that's how I want to do it.
Speaker 2I'll try to explain so that we can have a dialogue, so that I can learn, even if I disagree. I could learn how she thinks and learn what she sees and go, oh, okay, so you can use that later in a different situation. You know that maybe you've made your mind up in this, but something else you still remember that and go, okay, maybe I'll change it up a little bit, you know. So that I think, shows growth in leaders and growth in people, especially in ministry, that could take somebody's idea or thought that, even though in that moment they think, no, this is how we're going to do it, they could still take that in and go, but I'm going to put that we're going to have a conversation about it and I'm going to explain why I wanted to do it like this and why we're going to keep it like this and not just no Right. That doesn't do good for anything, and what that does is that makes the people under you that had that question go.
Speaker 2okay, I'll never come to them with anything else again, when you sit down with them and have a dialogue, they're like okay, they didn't use my idea, but at least I understand them.
Speaker 1Well, I've gotten a lot better with my adult children because I used to with my adult kids. I always wanted to parent them, even though they were adults.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1And I'll explain what I mean. So yeah, when they do something I disagree with, instead of just just saying, okay, it's your life, do what you're going to do, I would just berate them, basically, and that's just. You have to let people do what they're going to do. If they're going to screw up, they're going to screw up.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 1And with my adult kids. That's what. That's the point I've gotten to. I'll be like, hey, I think you should do this, and when they're like, I don't think I'll do it all right, and especially when they're outside of your house it's like hey, you pay your bills right?
Speaker 2I'll give you my opinion. You ask for it. There you go that's it.
Speaker 3That's another side of toxic leadership is is leadership not knowing their limitations yeah, yeah things that's good, yeah, yeah I mean. I mean that's it's probably the most like humiliating thing when you're a leader trying to, you know, control what they're doing and they just look at you. They're like you can't tell me what to do.
Speaker 2yes, in this, in this area, you don't know what you're doing. Stay in your lane, yeah, well, it's, it's samson, you. Samson's strength was strength. His weakness was women. Right, so, and not understanding that the enemy got a chance to get into him through his weakness, if we don't know, or even admit or even look at our weaknesses, that's where the cracks begin. You know, like you said, if you don't even see it, I had people at the factory, yeah, that would come up and be like yeah, I don't know about it, let's do it like this and mess it up and go. Yeah, don't do it like I just did. I'm like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3I kind of know what I'm doing. That was literally my manager's conversation when we were having lunch the other day about where we used to work. Yeah, Literally my manager's conversation when we were having lunch the other day about where we used to work.
Ineffective Leadership & Accountability
Speaker 3Yeah, it was. We were under leadership that had no idea what we did and the process that we used, and they want to change that process every week. Yeah, so it was. We come in on Monday, we have a meeting, and they want to change it and do it this way. Okay, so we start implementing that on Tuesday or Wednesday, get to Thursday. We work half day on Friday. Monday comes next meeting. They're not seeing the results, so they want to change it again. Yeah, in four and a half days. It went on for weeks and you can ask Andrew, I'm pulling my hair because I'm like first, they don't know what we do, why are they changing? Second of all, they're not letting us implement their changes long enough to even see results. Yeah, because it's. I mean at least two or three weeks before they even see anything.
Speaker 2Well and that's a perfect example of bad leadership they want to make changes to feel like they are doing something, they're in control yes it has nothing to do and all it does is frustrate everybody that's actually working and doing it, everyone below.
Speaker 2So now everybody is, and let me guess that place is struggling right now to keep people. Oh boy, I wonder why. It's like, well, I can't, I don't know why we can't. I don't know why we can't, I know I do. Yeah, we all see it. Everybody that works there sees it. It's just y'all, the leaders, y'all don't want to admit it. Y'all don't want to see that we're doing things that aren't working and we are driving people out and making people not want to be here and making the ones that are here not want to, not want to work and not want to do anything. It's like what's the point? They're going to change it next week.
Speaker 1Well, that's where I got with the company I was talking about earlier is just like we'd be in a meeting and he'd be ranting about whatever, and I'm just like yeah cool whatever I don't I do not care anymore yeah and that's what you do, you, you, you drive the give a crap out of people that once gave a crap Yep. It's like you're not going to listen, so why should I bother?
Speaker 2Yep, it's like what's the point? And if you're just going to come in and change it and try to do it yourself, what's the point of me being here, right? What's the point of me caring and me being invested in it?
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 2You know it's pointless. Yeah, and then those same leaders, they'll drive somebody out and then complain about that person. Oh, yeah like they were the problem. Yeah, no, no, no, you're the problem. Yep, you just need to admit you're the problem and change it, because we all can change and grow and do better. And when the leader gets better, this is craig or show. When the leader gets better, everybody gets better. Right, but we've got leaders that don't want to get better, because that means accountability no, we can't have that no, none that, no, no, no.
Speaker 2And we hide behind a scripture taken out of context. I'm just saying, you know, but it's crazy to go through and it's crazy to see, and it's just crazy I don't get it. I don't understand.
Speaker 3I think people need to take the concept of lead by example a lot more seriously.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, to take the concept of lead by example, yes, a lot more serious. Yes, yeah, well, that's, you know the old. I won't have anybody do anything that I wouldn't or haven't done. Yeah, you know, the best leaders are the ones that came up through it and done it through, whatever it is that that you're leading. If you don't know what's going on, you don't have any any advice to give.
Speaker 2I mean you don't, you can't help people, do something you've never done I don't know what you're doing, but I know my clipboard says you're doing it wrong that was literally how it was at that job.
Speaker 3It's like no no idea. No idea even who was in the department that we, that we work in, or what we do. Hey y'all are. It needs to change so frustrating tell me what needs to change that it does.
Speaker 2Everything you're doing is wrong. It's so bad.
Speaker 1Can't believe you're doing it.
Speaker 3Can't believe we're doing it this way.
Speaker 2Crazy Well transition into a segment that we like to call. That's what's Up Michael likes to call.
Speaker 3I don't JK.
Speaker 2Darn Darn, diddy darn likes to call.
Speaker 1I don't jk, she's over there you just have her doing the mic.
Speaker 2See how it changes from then he's got more country. Love you moved to arkansas come here, do it, give us a live Dern.
Speaker 3He's talking about you, james no come.
Speaker 2You have to come over here into the microphone. Come on over here. You gotta hit us with a new one. Let's see if it's changed at all oh, here's the mini Dern.
Speaker 3You say hi and action Dern. Mini dern, you say hi and action Dern. That's pretty spot on.
Speaker 2That's pretty spot on. No, mom, I was going to say have her do it the same time.
Speaker 3Mom said she loves bacon.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1Me too. I don't know.
Speaker 2Absolutely so. What's something that y'all are watching, listening to?
Speaker 3I got into. It's not a new show, it's old, it's already over. They're doing a reboot Suits.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah, we were talking about that.
Speaker 3I've never watched it, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2How many seasons are there?
Speaker 1Twenty six, I don't know. Oh gosh, I want to say I can't remember.
Speaker 3It might have about six, five, six or seven around there.
Speaker 2That's one I've always I'm not sure.
Speaker 3Five six or seven. It's a I'm only on see, like right in the middle, no, actually right at the beginning of season two. Cool, I've actually been watching it, because my problem is sometimes when I start a show, I'll start it, I'll watch it at night, I'll fall asleep, it'll play through a few episodes and I'll just start off and this I've actually been going back if that happens, or just stopping?
Speaker 3it. I actually did it last night. Um, I was on my phone, I wasn't paying attention to it, so I literally just turned it off, just like the show went off. I was like I wasn't paying attention to it, so I literally just turned it off. She's like the show went off. I was like, yeah, I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's like I don't want it to keep going.
Speaker 3But yeah, I don't know if it started, but there's a, not a reboot, it's a spinoff Suits.
Speaker 2LA. Oh, okay, yeah, okay. Kind of like NCIS, whatever, oh oh my gosh, there's so many of those like four of them, but it's an amazing show.
Speaker 1It is.
Speaker 3There's a reason why there's different spinoffs, but it's pretty good. It's one of the shows that gets you thinking a little bit kind of like, oh, this deposition didn't go well, what are they going to do next? Or oh, they put in this piece of evidence in the discovery file.
Speaker 2how to get away with murder without the murder.
Speaker 3Basically, In the concept of trying to figure out what's going to happen next.
Speaker 1I like legal dramas, yeah. It's mostly like a business legal.
Speaker 3They don't do any kind of criminal they don't do a lot of criminal cases, most like mergers, and there's there's a few like uh duis and stuff like that did y'all ever watch the lincoln lawyer on netflix?
Speaker 1I watched the first season was really good of course, I love the movie I'm a. I'm a big fan of the books. Yeah, uh, the mickey holler books are phenomenal books.
Speaker 2Man, that movie is so good it is.
Speaker 1Matthew McConaughey is fantastic you could cast him to do anything.
Speaker 3Each of his characters is Matthew McConaughey. It doesn't change. That's good stuff.
Speaker 1So good, I got a couple things. I started an old show. I think there's seven seasons on Hulu. It's Justified. It's an FX show. Yeah, got Timothy Olyphant yeah, he is phenomenal in that role. But we watched the first season when it first came out and we just stopped watching it for whatever reason, I can't remember. But I started that back up and I wanted to make it podcast official that we had a kid-free weekend this weekend and Jennifer picked out five movies.
Speaker 1We watched five movies oh she went five for five good movies really, yeah, you all new ones.
Speaker 3So yeah, yeah, all on netflix yeah, okay you wouldn't like them, but what'd you watch over the movies? Uh me time with um john cena and kevin hart I saw that was kind of funny, it was weird, it was weird, it was funny Murder Mystery 1 and 2.
Speaker 2I like the first one. I haven't seen the second one. I think I saw the first one Him and Jennifer Aniston.
Speaker 1A movie called Hot Frosty or something. It's a Christmas movie with Lacey Chabert.
Speaker 3Gretchen Wieners.
Speaker 1Sure.
Speaker 3From Mean Girls.
Speaker 1Yeah, I can't remember what the fifth one was. Nope, got nothing, okay, but yeah, five out of five and I give her all kinds of crap because she's historically terrible at picking out movies and TV shows. But good job, babe.
Speaker 2Five for five Nice Still on one trio.
Speaker 1Dude, you've got to move on we are on season three.
Speaker 2We just started season three. We're flying through them.
Speaker 1It only takes them a couple months to go through nine seasons and then now we're going to start our Christmas movie watching oh gosh I was about to slow down. Okay, so give me your five top five christmas movies national lamp.
Speaker 2We'll just go around. We'll just go around, okay, so I'll get in. No order, it doesn't have to be an order home alone national lampoons the grinch.
Speaker 3Which one the?
Speaker 2original. Oh yes, okay, yep, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1You're talking about original animated yeah.
Speaker 2I'll say both Okay.
Speaker 3I'll say both Original animated and live action.
Speaker 2Okay, I'm going to go with Jingle All the Way.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, I remember that one.
Speaker 1So good, I don't know last holiday is a good one with queen leticia yeah, yeah yeah uh, nightmare before christmas? No, that's a good one, that's a good one just friend oh, that's a good one for christmases yeah, that'd be on my list, yeah.
Speaker 3Christmas with the Kranks.
Speaker 1Tim Allen. That's a good one.
Speaker 2I watched that. I watched that for the very first time, like four years ago I was teaching at Holcomb and we watched it. We got all the kids in the auditorium and watched it.
Speaker 1It's good stuff.
Speaker 2It's pretty good. It was pretty good. I liked it. That was the first time I ever seen it. Yeah, it was good. So four Christmas would definitely be on my list.
Speaker 3And nobody say elf yet.
Speaker 2You know I like elf, but it's not like on my top Christmas.
Speaker 1It is. It is on my top five.
Speaker 2I like a national lampoons Christmas vacation.
Speaker 1It's pretty all right. Yeah, what's the one that you introduced me to with the family stone?
Speaker 3family stone, oh, yeah, that was a good one. That was a good one, that was a good one.
Speaker 2We need to watch that in Branson again. It's so good.
Speaker 1Probably not going to do that that's a good one.
Speaker 3Do I have one more?
Speaker 2I'm going to put the first two Home Alones together and when I say Home Alone. So just the first two, and my last one is Jamie's favorite. I don't think I have another one.
Speaker 3I think I got one on me the santa claus, oh, oh yeah, yeah, that's fred, claus oh gosh the pretty much
Speaker 2yep uh, red one the new. Oh, it's crashing and burning so bad well, tyler liked it.
Speaker 1I think they've already lost like I ain't seen it a hundred million dollars or something crazy yeah yeah, it's, it's not. Who is in that? The rock and chris evans? Yeah it looks terrible you mean a rock movie. That doesn't do well.
Speaker 2It's the Rock playing the Rock, the Rock.
Speaker 3It's like a Tropic Thunder. Robert Downey Jr, I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude, that's literally the Rock's characters in every one of his movies. It's the Rock, but he's gone by another name.
Speaker 1Gotcha In a jungle.
Speaker 3Yeah, okay, and then we'll do.
Speaker 2And his arms are oiled up a little bit right, and then we'll do just one favorite christmas song, just one oh, holy night oh, good but specifically oh, what's his name? I like the old school ones. I don't like when they remix them and redo them no, this is oh gosh is his name.
Speaker 1He's an American Idol guy.
Speaker 3Adam Lambert.
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 3Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 1Guy dude. Oh, Kelly Clarkson, You're so fired.
Speaker 3David Archuleta.
Speaker 1No, stop talking.
Speaker 2I'm just naming off people, just random people. Joe Pesci.
Speaker 1He does a version of oh Holy Night. That is phenomenal. Oh, random people, joe Pesci, he does a version of O Holy Night. That is phenomenal.
Speaker 3O Holy Night.
Speaker 1No, he wasn't on American Idol. Why are you still talking? Did you get him pulled?
Speaker 2up no.
Speaker 1Dang, what was his? Anyway, his version of O Holy Night is fantastic.
Speaker 2He's off of.
Speaker 1American.
Speaker 2Idol. Okay, you're looking it up Okay.
Speaker 3I'm going to say because I like the newer ones.
Speaker 2Really Okay.
Speaker 3I'm going to say Like NSYNC Christmas.
Speaker 2It wasn't what I was going to say but you know what that might be it.
Speaker 3I was going to say Mistletoe by Justin Bieber. Okay Okay, the Biebs. The Biebs gonna say mistletoe by justin bieber. Okay okay, the beams. I said so. The other night I was doing some writing and I accidentally wrote a christmas song. Wow are you accidentally, so I was, I was um I had a couple lines sneaks in.
Speaker 2You know I had a couple lines and it had.
Speaker 3It had that Christmas cliche melody sound to it and I was like it kind of sounds like I switched a couple words around to make it a little more Christmassy, more winter. I was like this is such a Christmas song so I finished it.
Speaker 1Nice Josh Groban.
Speaker 3That's his name.
Speaker 2You raise me up.
Speaker 1Are you okay? That was Josh Groban.
Speaker 2Oh okay, Mine's Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree.
Speaker 1You went way back.
Speaker 3Oh, I love the old. Yes, that's the 40s.
Speaker 2I love the 50s, 60s Christmas music.
Speaker 1What was the name of that song that got canceled a couple years ago?
Speaker 2Santa Baby, it's Cold Outside.
Speaker 1Oh, I really can't stand baby, baby, it's cold outside oh uh, I really can't stand.
Speaker 3Baby, it's cold outside. Yeah, because the it's. Yeah, it's basically kidnapped the lady. Yeah, it's weird, it's baby, it's called baby, it's sexual harassment so rock around the christmas tree.
Speaker 1Yeah, that is an old one.
Speaker 2Yeah, jamie's is an old soul well, yep, jamie's is, they're an old soul.
Speaker 1Yes, I've really.
Speaker 2Everybody knows, jamie, oh my gosh Every time it comes on.
Speaker 3I accidentally hit the next button on my car. She's defrosting. Yeah, I think she might. She's defrosted now, yeah.
Speaker 1That video lives in my head forever.
Speaker 2Jamie dancing candy cane. That's so funny if we had video.
Speaker 1We could attach it to the oh, we will.
Speaker 2What else do you have on your heart?
Speaker 1just grateful to be alive man. I'm thinking grateful as well, grateful man to the next episode to be continued.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's this Thanksgiving Christmas time. I've really tried to slow down and just be thankful for everything and everybody and just glad being back home around y'all.
Speaker 1Absolutely For sure.
Speaker 2Still nothing.
Speaker 3There's nothing between my ears. Good talk.
Speaker 1Hey listeners, there's nothing between my ears good talk. Hey listeners, we just want to thank you for your continued support for the almost brothers podcast. Do us a favor and go to your favorite platform and rate us and like us and share with everyone that you know. Thank, thank you so much, love you.
