As Far as East from West: The Journey Beyond Apologies

What does it really mean to forgive someone? In this thought-provoking episode, we challenge the common misconception that forgiveness requires allowing people who've hurt you back into your life.

Forgiveness represents a halfway point in relationship restoration. When you forgive someone, you've completed your part of the journey toward healing. However, genuine reconciliation requires the other person to meet you there by acknowledging their wrongs, offering sincere apologies, and demonstrating changed behavior. Without this reciprocal effort, the relationship remains fractured despite your forgiveness.

We explore the frustrating reality of "fake apologies" - those hollow expressions of remorse that don't acknowledge wrongdoing or demonstrate commitment to change. These superficial gestures, often followed by unchanged behavior, create cycles of hurt that ultimately destroy trust. Pattern recognition becomes essential in determining when to maintain boundaries even after extending forgiveness.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we discuss society's declining sense of common courtesy. When kindness is consistently met with exploitation, even naturally compassionate people eventually withdraw or adopt more guarded approaches. This cultural shift has contributed to widespread disconnection, with many preferring isolation to the vulnerability required for genuine connection.

Throughout it all, our message remains clear: choose kindness. Being the bigger person doesn't mean allowing others to take advantage of you – it means maintaining your integrity while setting necessary boundaries. True forgiveness liberates you from resentment while empowering you to protect yourself from future harm.

Ready to transform your understanding of forgiveness? Listen now, share with friends who struggle with boundary-setting, and join our growing community of listeners seeking authentic connection.

Transcript

Episode Introduction & Banter

Speaker 1 0:43

Apparently, did you say. Apparently Apparently you said that, though with like conviction, apparently. Oh, I didn't like it, I don't like it, I don't like that, not one bit.

Speaker 2 0:56

Feeling very violent today.

Speaker 1 0:57

I'm feeling very attacked from this side, so I'm just going to look at you.

Speaker 3 1:01

So if it's awkward, I don't like that either. I feel attacked. I'm just going to look at you.

Speaker 1 1:05

We're just eye to eye right now, soul to soul, tyler, tyler, look at me.

Speaker 3 1:10

I'm looking at that chair. Look at me, it's a nice chair.

Speaker 1 1:13

Acknowledge me. Why don't you love me? Don't you touch me? Why doesn't anybody love me anymore?

Speaker 2 1:33

that band doesn't love you.

Speaker 1 1:34

They still haven't answered you I don't want to talk about it they really haven't, I know I'm gonna play your stupid song anyway, I do. Please get back with me, please I. I really do. Come on now.

Speaker 3 1:48

All right, Richard, in this episode, watch the language.

Speaker 1 1:52

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:52

I didn't say okay.

Speaker 1 1:55

It's little people.

Speaker 2 1:57

Apparently.

Speaker 3 1:58

We know your prejudices Is that a word.

Speaker 1 2:01

Prejudices, prejudice, prejudice, prejudice. What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what up, what's up. Everybody, welcome back to a brand new episode of the almost brothers podcast. Thank you for joining us yet again. If you would do us a favor, like, comment, share, send it out to your friends, help us get this podcast out there. If you would like some almost brothers merch, let us know. Eat a bowl of ramen?

Memory Loss & Identifying Twins

Speaker 3 2:23

eat a bowl of ramen I don't know, dude it's with me as always, we've got, unfortunately, tyler and oh my gosh, richard, hey got to get new and remember we are taking applications.

Speaker 1 2:50

On today's episode, we're going to be talking about memory loss listen, hold up, hold up, hold up listen, this is it hold up. There's more now he really feels attacked memory loss, but we're going to transition it into talking about forgiving others. Okay, that's right. Memory loss. Get it Forgiving others.

Speaker 2 3:14

As far as the East is from the West. Come on now. I just realized why Liv got you that hat.

Speaker 1 3:20

It's so that you can remember your hat age? I have kids.

Speaker 3 3:23

That's messed up. I saw a little video on Facebook. It was like a scene from Full House where Jesse and Becky have the twins and he takes the socks off and Becky's like Alex needs to be fed or something, and he's like which one's, alex, she's like oh, the one like the blue, so whatever, and he goes back yeah, which I mean? I don't know. I feel like that might be something.

Speaker 1 4:03

Yeah, they might be onto something there, yeah.

Speaker 2 4:06

I wonder if that's ever happened.

Speaker 1 4:08

What.

Speaker 2 4:09

Like when they're infants, you can't tell them apart.

Speaker 1 4:12

Oh, 100%. Yeah, you have to identify.

Speaker 3 4:15

What if Annie is actually? Denny, and Denny is actually Annie, right, let that sink in. Uh-oh, you need to make a phone call. I ain't doing it.

Speaker 1 4:24

Yeah, well, I mean yeah, because as babies they look exactly the same. You kind of have to have some identifying marker to tell them apart.

Speaker 3 4:33

They're interchangeable. I bet my sister is actually Dylan and my brother is actually Emily.

Speaker 1 4:38

That one. I don't think, I don't think there's a problem with that one and y'all won't have a problem with that anyway.

Speaker 2 4:44

Yeah, because y'all are fraternal right.

Speaker 1 4:48

Yeah, but I mean as no, no, not even that I'm talking. Yeah, as babies they'll probably still look, look alike, but I mean if this is just pure speculation. I believe they're having one of each, so they won't even have that problem so this is not what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 5:04

Yeah, it's not at all.

Speaker 3 5:04

It's not no I forgot what we're talking about, but we do.

Speaker 1 5:07

We do want to start with memory loss because one of our co-hosts on here, richard uh, not to not to put out names, okay, but it rhymes with smiler richard, that's a horrible has the worst memory facts maybe on the planet. It's really. We have a fourth, especially for someone who is what? Are you 27, 28, 28 years old?

Richard's Notorious Memory Problems

Speaker 2 5:34

yeah, 40. I mean, how old are you, richard? And just can't remember 46 you wouldn't remember anyway. So we're talking about richard, though he won't remember how old I am at the end of this episode.

Speaker 1 5:45

You're darn right and. And it's like in a day and age. I'll tell my mom this she's got a bad memory too. In a day and age that we live in, I don't think I have a bad memory is an excuse anymore. Tyler, we got to get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 3 6:00

I was dropped on my head as a baby.

Speaker 1 6:02

That's not an excuse either.

Speaker 3 6:03

Well, that's a disability.

Speaker 1 6:11

Where's excuse either? Well, that's a disability. Where's?

Speaker 3 6:13

my card, my placard hanging from my car, dropped on my head as a baby card. No, I have a bad memory, so I have to park closer with these things right here, or I forget cell phones.

Speaker 1 6:20

You can write information down, you could set reminders, you could take notes.

Speaker 2 6:25

It's not an excuse and I I really have been getting better about that putting stuff in the calendar and stuff, because you get busy and you just forget when you have something going on.

Speaker 3 6:35

I forget to use my phone for that. That's what I'll tell my mom.

Speaker 1 6:39

Instead of doing it right there.

Speaker 2 6:40

It's just an excuse.

Speaker 1 6:41

That's what I tell mom. She's like you know, I can't remember that, write it down Right. That's know, I can't remember that. Write it down right. Like I mean it. That's not just something I say write it down.

Speaker 3 6:53

I ain't got a pen and paper on. Write it down, type it down. I got my phone text it down my phone's being used right now.

Speaker 1 6:57

I can't yeah okay it's always just man, my goodness but I want to move on into memory loss when it comes to forgiveness it's more than saying sorry it is. That's a fact. Everybody knows that.

Speaker 2 7:09

I don't know if everybody knows that I don't know if that's a universal fact.

True Forgiveness Beyond Saying Sorry

Speaker 1 7:14

But uh, yeah, just forgiveness. Just how tough it is and hard it is yeah, especially with someone, it's kind of easier to forgive someone you don't know more than it is someone that is close to you yep, and I'm reading on the sermon on the mount right now and it's, you know, part of that is loving your enemies.

Speaker 2 7:35

You know to pray for your enemies and and love them with, with god's love, and it's it. It's so hard to do that with people that have hurt you. It's easy to love people that that you, you know, your family or whatever the people that hurt you are the ones that they really challenge that that you, you know, your family or whatever. The people that hurt you are the ones that they really challenge that for you yep, and he said you know it's easy.

Speaker 1 7:53

It's easy to love those that love you that's the easy part right, oh my gosh, he's always just so awkward say something something oh, my goodness, and you know there's. There's always that I get this question asked a lot. Can you forgive somebody with without allowing them access to you?

Speaker 1 8:22

absolutely you know, because we, we, we think that forgiveness means you just kind of sweep on everything under the rug, you forget about everything that's happened, means you just kind of sweep everything under the rug, you forget about everything that's happened and you just kind of go back to the default before it happened. And that's not what forgiveness is. Forgiveness is saying, hey, you wronged me and whether you're sorry or not, I forgive you. It doesn't mean you have to put yourself back in that position for them to do that again. You know, if you had somebody that worked at a bank that embezzled millions of dollars, you could say, hey, you know what, return the money. They return the money. You say, hey, we're gonna forgive you, we're not gonna press charges, but you can't work here anymore. Right, you know? Like that, that just seems like a common sense thing. But people think that forgiveness means you, you allow them back into your life. And that's not it at all.

Speaker 2 9:12

Yeah, well, and it's a. It's a. You know, with church workers you some people get upset that that churches do background checks, Right, but if you have somebody that has, uh is, on the sex offender registry, you, you obviously can't have them working in kids ministry. So you know, there are, there are purposes behind finding out that. I mean you can forgive somebody for it, but not put them in a position to where they can do it again.

Speaker 1 9:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:40

Or even, for that matter, even putting a stumbling block in front of them. You know know, if they struggle with that, yeah and it.

Speaker 1 9:48

I've had to do that. I've had to have guys that I was very close to that done things to me to where I have to dis you. You no longer have access to me, right? I forgive you. I want the best for you, I'm praying for you, I want, I want god to continue to bless you, but you don't have access to me anymore. You can no longer be in my autumn, in my, in my, my sphere, my friends list, my people that I surround myself with you.

Speaker 3 10:14

Just, you've lost that ability right, yeah, taking off his top five on myspace or yeah, what was the?

Speaker 1 10:20

uh, what was the t-mobile? I don't remember. Uh, I can't. Oh, uh, I know you're talking about, I can't remember.

Speaker 3 10:23

Yeah, I can't remember what it was called. I know what you're talking about, but I can't remember yeah.

Speaker 1 10:26

I can't remember what it was called and why is it always the ones that hurt you are, the ones that are just shocked when you no longer allow them access into your life.

Speaker 2 10:37

Well, it's because they expect that, especially the people that well, you're a Christian, you shouldn't do that. It's just mind-blowing. My sister is the worst about when I say something to her about you know you shouldn't do this, or whatever, yeah. Or if I tell her that I don't do something, you know it's, it's. It's always the first thing that she goes to. Well, you're kristin, you shouldn't fill in the blank, I mean it's, and she knows nothing about it right she doesn't even know what that means and it's just so.

Speaker 1 11:05

It's so frustrating because they think that people that do will do something to you and they think that your forgiveness negates the responsibility of them to say, hey, I've done wrong in this situation. They think that as long as you forgive them, okay, cool, I'm, I'm scot-free and I don't have you know, and it's like I've had people like I'm trying to reconcile with you and it's like you haven't even apologized for what you've done.

Speaker 1 11:30

Yeah right you're not even admitting what you've done to try and reconcile. So it's like I forgive you, but you haven't even done your part yet. So how do you expect me to allow you back into my life when you're not even admitting the thing that you've done?

Speaker 3 11:44

oh man, live went through. Liv went through that in the last couple of years with you know who y'all knew.

Speaker 1 11:52

Yeah. And tried to kind of come back and this is what we'll do every time you talk about her.

Speaker 3 12:03

That's what we're going to do. Fair enough, and this isn't gossiping. This isn't gossiping, I'm not slandering or nothing. This is legitimately. This is not opinion. It's literally what happened. We all said stuff, I know, especially back then I was more uh, what's the word? It's more likely to say something out of anger which I didn't say like anything rude. It was just I was angry and let the ball roll from there.

Speaker 1 12:43

Um shorter, shorter fuse. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 12:45

Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Um, well, had a shorter fuse. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Well, she had said stuff about me and all that. And then me and live were kind of like okay, we're, we're just kind of kind of done. Yeah, time moved on and she came back to it and texted live and was all, you know, I want to be friends, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know want to.

Speaker 3 13:14

And I was like, well, after everything that's happened, um, one she hasn't even completely taken responsibility for, uh, the things that she did and said. Um, and she was. She was like, oh, I know, I want to hang out with her. And I was like I was like it's moving a little too fast. I was like I was like it's moving a little too fast. Yeah, I was like I was like that's by all means, you know, I've forgiven her, but kind of like you said, that doesn't mean we have to be, we have to put ourselves back in that situation. You know, by all means, it's not going to be the same, but you know, a friendship can be rekindled as long as she has also done her part Right and I told Liv. I was like this is something we've got to navigate real slow, yeah, and all of a sudden it's oh, why don't you come over? I want you to do it. I was like no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 14:12

Well, that's not slow at all.

Speaker 3 14:13

Because Liv told me about that and I was like I was like no, I was like I mean she hasn't we don't she hasn't you know, proven that she's different than what she was. Then, yeah, and I told Liv, I was like we've got to, we got to slow that down. Yeah, a lot, because I'm like by all means I forgive him, but I'm still. I was still at a point of of being hurt and still bitter about the situation itself. Yeah, and then she went and told her that and then basically went on a whole tirade of I didn't do nothing wrong and blah blah and you guys didn't?

Speaker 1 14:55

I was like, I was like and that's and that's what I was, that's what I was not waiting for, but that's what I was concerned about and it to me forgiveness is kind of like, especially when it's when it's between two people, forgiveness is a halfway point, not a complete start over. Oh yeah, okay, so forgiveness is my being being. If you're in, you know, in something that went wrong, you've got the person that did it, the person that was innocent. The person that was innocent has forgiven that person. They've done their halfway, they've done their part. So now it's up to that other person. You could either meet them there in the middle by admitting going back, hey or not, or you could stay over here and say I didn't do anything wrong or I was in the right, blah, blah, blah, even though you know you're wrong, right, but then don't expect them to continue and then meet you where you're at right saying I didn't do anything or I'm not going to apologize or whatever.

Speaker 1 15:50

That's fine. They've done their part, they've done all that they can do in forgiving you, but you haven't done your part. Therefore, that relationship cannot be rekindled. I mean it. It can, but the person that got hurt, you're setting yourself up for another hurt because if they haven't, if they haven't even apologized, if they haven't even admitted to what they've done, they're gonna do it again.

Speaker 2 16:10

Yeah because they don't think they did anything wrong. Right, they haven't accepted that accountability.

Speaker 3 16:14

Yeah, yeah, in any situation, you know where there's conflict there's, there's always something that you know between two people there's always something that can be forgiven, be apologized for out, even if it's, even if you know you came to someone you know, told them, you know a hard truth and they got mad. You know, even you. I'm sorry if I said something that came off wrong Because here's what.

Speaker 3 16:44

this is what I wanted the outcome to be. Not sorry, I said it. I'm sorry that it came off in a way that you took it wrong, right.

Speaker 1 16:52

Yeah, yeah, even just a misunderstanding where you're not wrong, but you know that what you, what you said or the way that you said it might have caused confusion. So it's like, hey, I'm sorry if that came off wrong I'm sorry, I've had to do that. You know where what I said was right, but the way I said it or the timing I said it was just bad.

Speaker 1 17:12

So I that's my bad. I'm like I'm not sorry for what I said. This is what I said is the truth, but I'm sorry for the way I said it and how I said it and the timing in which I said it.

Speaker 2 17:21

So I'm, I'm really bad about that. I, because I'm, I'm. My fuse is weird. It's sometimes it's longer than other times, but I'll go off on something and then like immediately as soon as I say my piece, I'm over it you know, I don't. I don't hold anger, but a lot of times I'm harsher than I mean to be.

Speaker 1 17:43

Yeah, when I do yeah, yeah, time stamp that. Oh, I'm sorry I'm sorry if that came off wrong, richard, no, you're not which leads me to another thing fake apologies that's. Oh, that's a good, that's a good one, yeah, so that that's another thing.

Speaker 2 18:12

Is there's somebody that apologizes, not because they believe that anything wrong, but just to get over it?

Speaker 1 18:17

oh, don't it. Don't you love this? Well, I'm sorry, it just makes it worse.

Speaker 3 18:22

Oh that makes me feel better yeah because that is pretty apparent that when they say something like that or in a way like that, they don't care.

Speaker 1 18:32

They don't care.

Speaker 3 18:35

Up until that point you kind of had and thought maybe they don't care, maybe they do. Now they're confirming no, I don't care, yeah, Right.

Speaker 2 18:40

And I Jennifer's horrible and I'm going to get so much crap about this but it is what it is. Jennifer's horrible about apologize. No-transcript.

Speaker 1 19:40

Oh, it's like you're in an argument and you make a point and you know they've got nowhere to go and it's like all right, whatever. And then just they, just, oh, so we're not going to talk about it anymore, Whatever.

Speaker 2 19:52

All right, you win. And it's a stereotype for a reason. You know a lot of Uh-oh, we're probably going to get shut down again on. Tiktok, but a lot of women are this way. They like to sweep it under the rug rather than take accountability for what they've said or done.

Speaker 3 20:11

Richard, I'll tell you, my wife is the opposite of that.

Speaker 2 20:17

Well, it's a stereotype for a reason. I mean, some stereotypes are based in fact and it.

Speaker 1 20:24

What really kills me is the ones that they apologize and then instantly go back into that same behavior. So then it's like, because I get it. We're all that way, in a sense, with something you know we'll, we'll, we'll commit a sin and we'll oh god, forgive me, I'm so sorry, and then we'll go back to it and go back to it and go back to it, but it's like you apologize and then just completely disregard the entire situation like oh, I guess we're back to square one right.

Speaker 1 21:00

And then just go right back into it and it's like, well, that is just, that was just pointless to even do that? Why waste your breath in doing that?

Speaker 1 21:08

and, and then you end up having the same argument right over and over again over the same crap and covering the same ground and it's usually those same people that do the same thing or act the same way or get back in the same ground. And it's usually those same people that do the same thing or act the same way or get back in the same situation. That will go well. I thought you forgave me for that. It's like, yeah, but you're, you're bringing it back up because you're doing that, don't mean do it again, right?

Speaker 3 21:28

if I had to forgive you for that, it's probably something you don't need to be doing right and it's like you, you've just redone the same thing.

Speaker 1 21:35

So all the forgiveness, everything that I've done, now you've. And that's when you have to start putting up guardrails and saying look okay clearly you don't want to make a change things.

Speaker 1 21:46

I can no longer allow you to continue to hurt me like this. Right, you know? Because that's the problem is people they do, they forgive and then they allow them to continue the bad behavior, right in a thought of well, I have to continue to forgive them and forgive them. Yes, you forgive them, but you don't have to keep putting yourself back in that same situation. It's like a wife whose husband is doing stuff to her, but I love him. I need to forgive him. I see better in him. That's yeah, okay, awesome. But if he's continuing to do it, you need to disconnect from that situation and get yourself out of that.

Speaker 2 22:20

Me and Tristan's friend group are having a Bible study and that's something that came up. How do you know when you need to separate yourself from a friend, that you don't need to be around?

Speaker 1 22:33

When the behavior does not change.

Speaker 2 22:35

When the behavior does not change. What I told them is if you, if, for example, if they invite you to go to a party where there's drinking and you're like I'm a Christian, I don't really want to be around that If, if they respect that decision and they say, okay, that's cool, no problem, then there's probably hope for that friendship. But if they try to disregard you and disrespect your, your beliefs, then it's time to cut that relationship yeah, and that's a change in behavior.

Speaker 1 23:00

Hey, I done thing a. You said you didn't like it so I'd no longer do thing.

Speaker 3 23:05

A right, and, and it's really that simple it's it should be, I mean you know, it's like that's something I was trying to teach him in a life lesson on, because he had a. He had a kid. There's a kid in his grade. They start off with friends and then the kids start being mean to him and all these things. And then you know we got it taken care of, you know met with the principal and all that stuff and we're finally like I was, like you just need to, you need to keep your distance, just don't associate with him all right if he's gonna be like that, you don't need to be around that.

Speaker 3 23:40

Well, uh, they're in summer school together now and he's, he's like, he's all, he's just been you know, nice to me and I was like, well, are you still, you know, keeping the distance?

Speaker 3 23:50

it's like, well, not really. No, I said, well, were you guys friends? Was he nice to start off with before he started being mean to you? Yeah, I said, well, you need to be, you know, you need to be cautious because some people display patterns. Yeah, he may. He's just like before he started off nice. And then he started being mean, not saying he'll do that again. But you need to be cautious because, just because he's being nice again, I told him you know, we're called to love people, we're not called to like people yeah um, and I kind of went into you know the whole thing with with her.

Speaker 1 24:30

I almost hit the wrong. I almost hit the wrong one and you know I was like I told him.

Speaker 3 24:38

I was like you know, by all means, she ever, you know, wasn't desperate need of help and whatever, by all means I'll help um, but she's, she won't be a friend, um, and you know, kind of tell him just be cautious. I'm not saying you can't ever be friends with him again, but just be, be cautious, guard yourself, yeah, and that that kind of sucks that you have to around those people. You have to put guard, you know, those guardrails and those walls up, yeah, but I mean at that point it's necessary self-.

Speaker 1 25:14

I mean it really is because people nowadays do not care about others for the most part.

Speaker 3 25:20

Common courtesy is not a thing anymore.

Fake Apologies & Pattern Recognition

Speaker 1 25:23

Yeah, so they will run you over, they'll use you, they'll take your forgiveness, they'll take your willingness to say it's okay, I forgive you, and they will redo that. And it will start patterns. So when you have somebody, one of the guys that did me wrong, I look back and it's a pattern. He's done this person, this person, this person, this person, this person. So it's a pattern that I should have caught do wrong, shove it under the rug, go about your day, get the forgiveness, do wrong and continue that pattern with different people. Then it's probably going to continue. It's probably so you go. Nope, need to cut myself off, need to not have anything to do with you. I need to get away from that situation. You no longer have access to me because I see this pattern of right, do wrong, sweep it under the rug, get forgiveness, go about your day and do it again, and do it again, and do it again.

Speaker 1 26:23

You know so it's like hey, I forgive you, I want the best for you, but you stay over there right I'll stay over here, yeah, and the person being forgiven cannot by any means expect that person to forget yeah, and and that, and that's what usually what happens is they go well, I thought you were gonna forgive me. Well, yeah, I do. Yeah, okay, well, how come you ain't talking, because you know I can't? I don't be around you anymore, I just don't need to be around you anymore. Let's, I mean, it's's I don't know.

Speaker 3 26:55

Take texting and driving. You text and drive and you get in a wreck. What are you not going to continue doing?

Speaker 2 27:03

after that and driving probably yeah, probably not that most people will continue to do it, you'd think you'd be shocked at the same outcome it happened again.

Speaker 3 27:13

Okay, but it's like you know, something happens okay and you learn from that, and that can be both parties. Learn from that and learn how to do better, not continue. Well, isn't that the definition of insanity Doing the same thing, expecting different results?

Speaker 1 27:30

Yeah, yeah, and we do, we do and we think it's okay. In everyday life we wouldn't do that with anything else. We wouldn't, you know, shut our front door a certain way and then it doesn't shut and we continue to try to do that. We wouldn't do that, but in relationships we do it all the time. We think that, well, I'm going to continue my bad behavior and expect a different attitude, a different. You know respect out of people, but I don't know why they're not wanting to be friends with me. I don't know why this keeps happening, because your behavior has not changed. It's the same thing and you're expecting different, different things to come out of it.

Speaker 2 28:08

It's like it's just not going to happen well, what you was talking about a while ago about common courtesy being not a thing anymore. You know, I watch a lot of tiktoks and reels and things and it's, it's just non-stop road rage and karens and just people, just completely disregarding other people's lives.

Speaker 3 28:24

Yeah, I I like, I don't like what happened with people like I like. I know if, like, there's any kind of confrontation with me and any kind of stranger, it'd be. Oh, like, like you know, say, say it was you know, road rage or you know, maybe I rear-ended someone or someone break checked me, like you know, I would not come up. What in the bleep did you bleeping? Do you bleeping bleeper?

Speaker 1 28:50

but that is how the majority of people would have, would handle that yeah and I think it came from a a shift in society to where good people got treated so poorly that the good people started turning into that yeah, I can see it. So now you've got people that I've given and given, and given and given and I've just been been taking advantage of my whole life. So I'm done giving and when the good people decide, okay, it's, I'm done with it.

Speaker 2 29:19

Yeah, now everybody, nobody cares have you ever seen the movie uh falling down with uh michael douglas?

Speaker 1 29:25

no, I don't think it's an older one.

Speaker 2 29:27

But is it about gravity? No, I don't falling down. Get it, thank you I can't, I just can't proceed proceed. So it's a movie about a guy that is he's fed up.

Speaker 2 29:40

You know he's a good guy, he's just he's, he's had it with life so he starts, he goes on this rampage right where he's basically just confronting society with their nonsense, yeah, and he ends up killing some people, which is bad. But one of the instances he goes into a restaurant and he orders a cheeseburger and they give it to him and he's like this is what I'm talking about, like this is not what that you know the picture on the wall.

Speaker 2 30:05

You know, it's just like just things that aggravate everybody. Yeah, but this guy's taking it to an extreme and instead that's what it is is just people get fed up, yeah, with being treated a certain way. Yeah, and it's it's. It's sad that we are in a society where that's okay it's like our workforce.

Speaker 1 30:23

It's gotten so bad. I mean, if you've gone to a fast food restaurant in the past, yeah, 10 years, you've seen a a humongous decline in service.

Speaker 1 30:33

There is a reason because the good workers that were there got treated so poorly that finally they said forget it or treat the same as the bad workers, right or or yeah, or in a sense treated worse because when you're a good worker and you get your job done, now you have to pick up the slack for the bad worker, right, while the bad workers making just as much as the good worker. So then, finally, the good workers go, I'm out, I'm done, forget it, right. And then what happens? You're only left with bad workers, right. And that's where we are.

Speaker 1 31:05

That's where now we are at in society, to where the good people said forget it, I'm sick of being treated poorly, I'll just stop trying. Yeah, if, if. If me trying means I'm gonna be punished. If me trying means I'm gonna give a leg up to those that aren't trying while I'm getting punished, I'm done, I'll just be like them. It's why so many people don't have jobs and they live off of the system, right, because they they most of them used to work. They used to work hard, try to get by, but they're going. So my hard work is paying for them to sit on their butt. Why don't I just go sit on my butt?

Speaker 2 31:41

then right, and that happens, that when covid, you know all that unemployment was being handed out like nothing. People are just like yeah, I'm just gonna take advantage of this as long as possible.

Speaker 1 31:52

I have someone that I know personally that told me he could be working. He had his own company. He could be working, but he would make more getting that unemployment than going to work. So he got the unemployment. Why? Because he was looking around at everyone else that was sitting on their butts and going. Well, if they're, they're going to be making more than me. If I go to work, I might as well just stay home, right?

Speaker 2 32:16

and it was just a backwards time for this country, but it is it and it. You know what my message to our listeners is in every message and every in every situation. Choose kindness, just be better than that. Like, just choose to be be the bigger party of any situation.

Speaker 1 32:41

Write that down, Tyler.

Speaker 3 32:43

I ain't got a pen. I ain't got a pencil.

Speaker 2 32:46

How old am I, Tyler?

Speaker 3 32:47

46. He held on to it for more than that.

Speaker 1 32:51

I remember some stuff. It's because he got that dad hat on.

Speaker 2 32:55

That's what it is.

Speaker 1 32:57

What else do y'all got on your heart. That's what's up ladies and gentlemen, we are not going to move into a segment. I'll say ladies and gentlemen like that that pause.

Speaker 3 33:10

I was gonna be listening be like what happened?

Speaker 1 33:12

all right, maybe it's done okay we're gonna go into a segment that we are calling that, we have been calling that, we call that's what are you good?

Speaker 3 33:23

he tried like three times to get that out. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 33:26

Well, since you called me out last time, I'll let somebody else start.

Speaker 1 33:30

Oh, okay, tyler, what's up? Exactly that's what we're asking.

Speaker 3 33:37

I've got a song out on Spotify and Apple Music and iTunes now.

Speaker 1 33:40

Me, me, me, me me. We don't have a button for that yet. We don't, but we'll make do? It's like they always say button over here? Yeah, it's called the healing. Very nice, is that the one we listened to on a?

Speaker 3 34:03

previous. It's so good. Yeah, yes, very nice. All right, richard, that's all you got, I think. Uh, let me think, let me think, let me think.

Speaker 2 34:09

Finished Richard called me last night about the rookie season finale.

Speaker 1 34:12

Good bad.

Speaker 2 34:13

Terrible.

Speaker 3 34:14

Oh really Uh-oh, it wasn't great, uh-oh.

Speaker 2 34:19

The entire season was a disappointment and I'm like super disappointed. And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 34:26

Oh gosh.

Speaker 2 34:32

The entire series has been spectacular. Yeah, till this season. Okay, this season. It's like I don't know if they got new writers. I don't know which. It's abc. Every abc show is like this anymore lazy yeah uncreat.

Speaker 1 34:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2 34:46

It's just so bad. And the season finale, you know, with the rookie specifically, I mean their cliffhanger level is like a hill, holy crap.

Speaker 3 34:57

Yeah, it's a kind of a five-inch ledge.

Speaker 1 35:02

Yeah, well, and this is why you know everybody makes fun, because I rewatch a lot of stuff, so I rewatch a lot of shows.

Speaker 3 35:08

I re-watch a lot of shows, tvs nerd, they're exactly.

Society's Decline in Kindness

Speaker 1 35:11

Yeah, that's fine. There is a reason why I do because I've had that happen to where I've sunk time into a show that just went off the rails and it's like, well, this was a huge waste of time. So I will kind of get my five or six shows that I really, really cling on to because they're good, start to finish right, I know how they end, I know it's good, powerful girls, I don't have to, I don't have to muted, I don't have to waste my time right I don't have to waste my time and then get to the end.

Speaker 1 35:45

So I've got things that are, that are I'm still hanging on to stranger things, wednesday stuff like that that I'm terrified, that's gonna happen, it's just gonna go downhill but at the same time you know I get why you watch the shows that you're used to, and I understand it.

Speaker 2 36:00

But doing that you don't find those hidden gems that you wouldn't well, I'll and I'll wait.

Speaker 1 36:06

I'll usually wait on them to get done and then read reviews.

Speaker 2 36:09

Yeah, and then and then go.

Speaker 1 36:11

Okay, is this worth me sinking my time?

Speaker 2 36:13

because I have.

Speaker 1 36:13

I have discovered new shows, but they were done or wrapping up by the time I started it. Yeah, because I've.

Speaker 2 36:20

I've done that before. We're like grim yeah, which they're making a movie of now all of a sudden for some reason, but it was a good show all the way up to the last season.

Speaker 1 36:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:30

And then they just dropped the ball.

Speaker 1 36:31

Yeah, and I try to kind of read the room first and go, okay, is this something I want to spend my time?

Speaker 2 36:38

in. Because I don't want to be disappointed at the end and just be like well, the only thing I'm hanging on to right now with the rookie is they.

Speaker 3 36:51

They have the potential to have set up a lot of stuff for the next season yeah, and maybe that's their plan, maybe, maybe their plan maybe their plan was to have a not great season, but that's a horrible, yeah it doesn't seem like a good plan.

Speaker 1 37:04

Hey, this food is going to be terrible, but come back next time it'll be better. Like that doesn't seem like a good plan, but that's. That's all I'm hanging on to is unconventional.

Speaker 2 37:14

They've set up a lot of of storylines that really could get amazing it just, it looks like in this season that they just started a bunch of crap.

Speaker 1 37:24

Yeah, didn't finish yeah, and I don't know, it's weird yeah that's not all my.

Speaker 2 37:29

That's what's up.

Speaker 3 37:30

He just brought it up and now I'm mad about it I can't, man, I can't really get into the shows where people are like oh you gotta, you gotta watch the first season to really get into it, do they not do in the first couple episodes where, like oh, I'm in, like no, it takes a whole two, three, four, five, the entire series to get into it yeah I'd rather not.

Speaker 1 37:53

Well depends on how big the character set is like. That's what I've found is that if they're fleshing out because I'd I'd rather have a fleshed out character than a rushed one just to get you into the show quickly- that's fair. So like if there's a big you know, if there's four main characters, like okay, right, first two episodes, it should kind of be rolling. But if there's I mean some shows got you know, 15 main characters in the show and they're flushing each of them out.

Speaker 1 38:22

Yeah, and they're flushing them out yeah, you know, then I could do that, I could. I could go along a few, five or six episodes, and then it's like, okay, let's get this rolling, we know who they are now that's why I like suits.

Speaker 3 38:34

So much is the mike ross character and harvey specter like, just like from the beginning it's like, oh yeah, like I don't know, they're just the wit of their, their characters, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 38:47

I just like the first episode I like them fleshing out a character so that I care about them, like if you want me to get invested into this character I need to know a little bit about. Don't just throw them in and be like, hey, here's this guy and then here's what he does, like oh, I mean, all right, I guess. And then you know there's this big death or this big thing that happened and they expect you to care and it's like I don't even know this dude I don't really care very much well, that's what game of thrones.

Speaker 2 39:13

Did you know? They would introduce a character and then, three episodes later, well, he's dead.

Speaker 3 39:18

So all right well there's that that happened producers went to the actor hey, people didn't like you, so we're killing you and, and you ain't making it well, that's the lord of the rings.

Speaker 2 39:29

It was, you know, two towers the the middle of the trilogy. Everybody agrees that it was not great but, it was such a builder yeah to one of the greatest finales ever, and that's usually how it is in a three yeah you know a a three set story is usually the middle one is usually that Well, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 39:49

I wouldn't even consider Lord of the Rings a trilogy, because they do the Hobbit. It all goes together, it's one big story.

Speaker 2 39:55

So you're one, anyway, well, that's like.

Speaker 1 39:58

Well, that's like the. You know, star Wars, the, the first trilogy, the prequel trilogy, but they're all part of a bigger story.

Speaker 3 40:05

So that's why I was just about to ask why is it called the star wars trilogy when there's what nine movies now?

Speaker 1 40:12

because they were made three trilogies. There's three sets of trilogies yeah, so just because they were made to be that story, even though it's part of a larger story, it's that story in three movies wasn't the first so the first wasn't it the first four though? Four no no it was I don't know no, it was four, five, six. Was it one, two, three, seven, eight, nine?

Speaker 2 40:37

in the order they were made. Oh, because that's how things work. That is, it is actually it is.

Speaker 1 40:42

They tell you a story. Here's what's going on. They make you care about these characters. Okay, go back and show you how they got to this point. Who are these? Characters now and he'll make fun of star wars for doing that, while literally lord of the rings does the exact same thing.

Speaker 2 40:57

They do it better I don't stop it, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 3 41:01

I watched a muted.

Speaker 3 41:03

I watched I muted the wrong one I watched a completely off topic not completely, but pretty off topic. I watched a video, I showed a little video. It was the scene from revenge of the sit, the last little fight. It wasn't the fight scene, but it was like the, the dialogue before that, yeah, but it was every time obi-wan, uh appeared in the picture. They played justin timberlake sexy back and so and so like when uh was it padme, or yeah, padme, and then anakin, they're like you know the whole dialogue thing and then you don't even know you, yeah, and then you see obi-wan like right, the, like the, the entrance of the ship, whatever, and he's just standing there and all yours I'll have to show y'all you had to be there.

Speaker 2 41:55

It was funny though anyways, richard, what's up? Oh, so uh was I done?

Speaker 3 42:03

I think I was done. I don't think I have anything else.

Speaker 2 42:04

Yeah, go richard so we've, we've, we've been knocking out our shows. You know, at some point I was like 12 shows deep, but now we're fin, we're caught up on everything. Uh, the book series that I'm in, I'm on the fourth and last book and it's been a really good fantasy series. You know it's the alex rogers series. You know it's the Alex Rogers series by Chris Lamb. Check it out. But I'm just praying that they don't end it badly, because I can see it going badly, yeah, so we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2 42:44

Oh, I'm going to be a grandpa again.

Speaker 1 42:46

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 42:47

Peaches is pregnant. That terrifies me. Hold your applause. We don't know how we feel about that yet. Um so we're excited, obviously, to have another grandkid, but I'm worried about peaches. She's not, she's, she's definitely not ready to be a parent. Yeah, but that's about it. That's all I. I got what you got, mike, I don't have a lot, okay, I don't have a lot, it's very small.

Speaker 3 43:10

That's not what's up.

That's What's Up Segment

Speaker 1 43:11

Anticipation for next week, switch 2 comes out. So just waiting on that, jamie and Sissy went and watched Lilo and Stitch. Yeah, they really liked it. They watched that last night yeah, I'd like. So they said it was really good. Um, that's about it, man, I haven't watched anything new. It's kind of recycling read all the tv shows and that's about it man, we've been more playstation, relaxing a little bit. You know when I when I get time there you go hitting that goal, hitting that goal trying to.

Speaker 3 43:45

Anyway, yeah, we've been. Uh, edging, mckay and inman on disney channel original movies oh so good, we watched we watched all the high school musicals descendants is where it's at.

Speaker 1 43:57

I love how are y'all gonna start talking about this and and start with high school musical and the descendants. No, no, muted, muted, no. Okay, we're gonna go back and we're gonna talk about disney original movies. We're gonna talk about the big green. We're gonna talk about the mighty ducks. Okay, we're gonna talk about a goofy movie. That's what we're gonna talk about. All right, do you understand?

Speaker 2 44:20

now you're back those were not disney channel originals. Yes, they are we?

Speaker 3 44:24

no, they're not. I wasn't. Yes, they are.

Speaker 2 44:26

It's not even finished, they're not, they're disney movies, but they're not. Yes, they are, it wasn't even finished. They're Disney movies, but they're not Disney Channel movies.

Speaker 1 44:31

They're Disney movies. It's the same. Neither was High School Musical. Yeah, it was. No, it wasn't. It wasn't a Disney Channel original movie. It was a Disney movie. Well Descendants was.

Speaker 3 44:42

It was a Disney Channel, so don't try to. I Now welcome back to this. Disney Channel original movie High School Musical no, yeah, and we'll look up what constitutes Disney Channel original movie.

Speaker 2 44:54

Anyways, and it should be every Disney movie, I'm pretty sure. Anyways, anyways, anyways. He seems upset about this.

Speaker 1 45:01

I am very. We watched Brother Bear. That's a good one. What?

Speaker 3 45:04

is it, brother Bear? I never saw that one. Oh's a good one.

Speaker 2 45:06

What is?

Speaker 3 45:07

it Brother, bear.

Speaker 2 45:07

I never saw that one. Oh, it's good.

Speaker 3 45:09

I don't want to be here anymore.

Speaker 1 45:11

It's good. Who is he?

Speaker 3 45:13

I don't know. I'm going to mute myself.

Speaker 2 45:14

Good Daggum About freaking time, I will tell you, mighty Ducks is probably right up there as some of my favorite Disney movies.

Speaker 3 45:23

Hey bud. That said, it was a horrible movie. Every, every, it was well every 12 sequels to that movie.

Speaker 2 45:34

Hey, that was a great documentary. Wow, we got michael. We're breathing deep how you feeling.

Speaker 1 45:40

I would like to apologize to all of our listeners, especially if you grew up a disney lover. They didn't mention aladdin. They didn't mention the lion king I'm so sorry that they filled your ears.

Speaker 3 45:53

You started with the mighty ducks. Oh, it's so sad and my thing is we're we're diving or we're throwing him into the waters of, not the, not the ones that like, obviously heavy.

Speaker 2 46:05

Obviously we did.

Speaker 3 46:07

Ooh, yeah, what was that? Motocross.

Speaker 1 46:11

Oh, this is so good. Motocross is great. Double team oh gosh, oh gosh.

Speaker 3 46:18

She double dribbled for sure what was another Luck of the Irish?

Speaker 1 46:22

That's a good one Luck of the Irish. See, now we're hitting. Okay, now we're going. Now the wheels are turning. That's what I'm talking about. That gum, you got to wait on it.

Speaker 3 46:29

It's kind of like every show you get me on, you got to wait five episodes. I do remember Smart House, what was?

Speaker 2 46:37

it, brink, if Mike doesn't approve of it. It's not a thing, brink, that's how that works.

Speaker 3 46:45

Thank you, we're on a roll here.

Speaker 1 46:46

We can't let him get. He's going to bring us down what was the one.

Speaker 3 46:50

It was the blind kid. He did wrestling. It was one of the Lawrence brothers.

Speaker 1 46:54

Yeah, yeah, I can't remember the name of it.

Speaker 2 46:57

Gosh dang it, but that was a good one. There is a lot of good Disney, and that's what's so sad about disney nowadays.

Speaker 3 47:05

You know that they can't make a good movie.

Speaker 2 47:12

It's the classics that they.

Speaker 3 47:14

That's why the descendants are on their. You know 20th movie, right? Yeah, I think. I think it's either six or seven coming out next year really yeah, I must have missed some because I yeah, because I uh like googled, like disney channel original movies on wikipedia and they had like 2026.

Speaker 2 47:34

This, I think it's a six through no descendants was really good the original one, but they went downhill with the sequels pretty quick.

Speaker 3 47:40

So it's like which. I didn't watch any of them, but movies like that. It's like if you have, if you keep the same characters, it's going to go downhill, but if you don't, you have to have really, really good, captivating characters to continue.

Speaker 2 47:56

What's the zombie one? The?

Speaker 3 47:59

odd like zombie land, I don't know no, what disney no, technically as a disney movie. Now, don't it?

Speaker 1 48:04

zombies, zombies oh my gosh. Yeah, but it was a pretty good. It's like some of them are zombies and some of them like werewolves or something like that.

Speaker 2 48:12

No, some are zombies and some are human I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 48:16

Sissy liked them.

Speaker 2 48:17

Yeah, they were good yeah you put me on par with a seven-year-old.

Speaker 3 48:23

Yeah, my seven-year-old loved those movies eight, whatever's eight, whatever Dang, no, she ain't.

Speaker 2 48:28

Oh, Zaylee will get me over that.

Speaker 3 48:30

No, she ain't man.

Speaker 2 48:33

We love y'all. I'm trying to think of some other ones. That's next episode. I'll be thinking until next episode. That'd be the next episode we're going to list and rank our favorite Disney movies. Oh Lord around the circle gosh, yeah, buddy. Hey, listeners, we just want to thank you for your continued support for the almost brothers podcast. Do us a favor and go to your favorite platform and rate us and like us and share with everyone that you know. Thank you so much, love you.