Frustration Domination Station

We started by doing everything right, hit record, talked for a solid stretch, and then found out none of it saved. That kind of moment exposes your real emotional habits fast, so we leaned into it: how do you deal with frustration when you’re already tired, already focused, and everyone can read your face in five seconds?

From there, the conversation gets practical and personal. We talk about frustration vs anger, why the smallest thing can become the trigger when stress has been piling up, and how communication can defuse what yelling never fixes. We get into venting the healthy way, why “one-upping” is such a relationship killer, and what supportive listening actually sounds like when someone is just trying to get it out.

Then parenting takes over, because of course it does. We share the real-life comedy of kids “cleaning their room” by organizing Pokémon cards, the constant need to repeat instructions, and the mindset shift of stepping back to remember: you make me mad, but I love you. We also touch on ADHD testing and how simplifying directions and pointing out cause and effect can help kids focus without constant conflict.

The back half turns into rapid-fire questions that go deeper than expected: what we’d change about the world, who we trust completely, when we last felt lost, what takes our breath away, lessons from past relationships, negative self-talk, and how we chase personal growth. We close with a question that lands heavy: do you like yourself?

If you enjoy honest conversations about managing frustration, parenting stress, communication skills, mental health, and personal growth, hit subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

Transcript

Cold Open And Botched Take

SPEAKER_03 0:46

And first service is always the one they live stream. Right off the jump. Yeah. Take two. Yeah, I got it.

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Yep, yep. The the folded in half.

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That's that's what they do in Hollywood.

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Sometimes take number two again.

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What's up? Welcome to the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

That's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

I mean, uh, I need to start a scene. I need to start. Oh Lord. All right, y'all ready? You failed that last time.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

I'd say go, Michael Jr.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

I'd give that like a B plus. All right. What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up? Welcome to the Almost Brothers Podcast. Today, we got our host Michael Simmons. What is it? I don't like how he said that at all. Hi. AKA. And then you got Ruchie Rich. Nope. Big Rich77. Sure. Alright. And then you got the Oompa Loompa next to my right. Yo.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Tyler Wilkerson. Your son doesn't want to play basketball no more. Why is he coming at us like this? Um, today we're talking about um It's like he's the host, and we're the guests guests on the show.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up, everybody. You heard the voice of Ezekiel Lee Simmons, my son, my fruit of my loins. Whoa.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

We should never ever talk about your loins.

Why Frustration Shows So Fast

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Not like fruit of the loom. As always, we got Richie Rich, Ty Tai, and our producer, Zeke. How's it going? Good. Today we're gonna talk about how to do with frustration. That's what you do, dude. I'm so mad right now. We recorded a whole episode that didn't record.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Yeah, that's what happened. It did.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

So we're trying again. Yeah. Yeah. How do you do it with frustration, man? I know I I had to tell the guys kind of this morning, so I had to get Zeke and all them together and I'll talk to them a little bit. I'm like, I'm sorry if I seem flustered and frustrated, but going into this week is gonna be very like my focus is is kind of laser sharp, so I'm I'm on a not a short fuse, but my mind is is on that, you know. So dude, yeah I wear my frustrations though, like wide open for everyone to see.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

You do indeed. And it's that's testify. It's not not always a uh positive trait. Yeah. I texted Jennifer and I was like, we just recorded a 30-minute episode and record. And she's like, Yeah, well, I just made a big mess in our brand new stove with Salisbury Steaks.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

So oh man, we gotta record another one.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

You're not there to help clean it up.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

Darn. Maybe we helped you out. Hey, you're welcome.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Yeah, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Yeah, and it it's something that I I I want to do better at, not letting not letting it be shown, but I I don't I just can't. I mean, it's it's really it's tough.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Well, you I don't say you show all of your emotions.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

So I mean it's not like that's the only one just show frustration. You mean pretty much if you want to know what Mike is feeling, just look hang around for five seconds.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Yeah. So it this is a hard one. I mean, it really is. It and I I've done a better job over the past couple years at kind of limiting myself and and and going, okay, I know I'm frustrated, let's focus and not try to take it out on anyone else. You know, and and try to be more aware of that.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Which I mean, you know, Zeke and and the kids and Jamie kind of get the brunt of it sometimes. But when the when the frustration comes directly from you, you kind of get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

I remember the last time being mad, I ain't even gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Me being mad?

SPEAKER_01 5:01

No, me. Oh because I could definitely remember last time you being mad. You do it every day.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Oh well, it's not even necessarily being mad, frustrated. It's a different thing. Yes, very much so.

SPEAKER_01 5:13

Yeah, it got different letters.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

It's like mad but vegan.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

It's like it's that's kind of that's kind of I get it though. I really do. I that's not bad. I like the question. Yeah, does it have to do with what we're talking about or no?

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Is pickles drunk cucumbers?

SPEAKER_02 5:30

You make me want to hit you.

SPEAKER_03 5:32

That's frustrating.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

Yeah, is it though?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

That's frustrating.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Think about it.

SPEAKER_03 5:37

But yeah, you know what's gonna be frustrating trying to find a new producer. Yes, it is, yeah. That's not nice.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Yeah, everybody, everybody loves me on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

Everybody hates me.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Yeah.

Communicate Before You Explode

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Uh so what's something that y'all do to kind of try to stop yourself from getting super frustrated?

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Well, from somebody who had a terrible temper when I was younger, because I let things frustrate me to the point. And the problem was I didn't express myself very well. Yeah. So I'd let stuff build up and then it would become a much bigger deal. And it generally was something that wasn't even about what I was mad about that would trigger me. Yeah. It'd be kind of like the straw that broke the camel's back thing. Right. So it'd be like, why are you screaming about the dishes not being done? Right. It's not the dishes, it's everything else every day where nothing's been done, and now the dishes are the problem. But yeah, it it's but to deal with it now, I just I communicate better as a whole. So, well, specifically Luke, you know, God love Luke. But it's funny that we all know exactly. Yeah, yeah. Everybody understands the frustration where Luke is concerned.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

It's like, well, you know Luke. Yeah, gotcha. Yep, okay, yep. Say let it get it.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

However, Luke is getting a little older now, so we're able to have actual conversations with him, and he's being tested for ADHD. Yeah. So, you know, there's Tristan and him are two kids that ADHD is a thing. Like it is a legit problem. But so to communicate to him, if you don't want to be in trouble, listen. And you know, we'll we'll we're trying to point out specific times where, okay, so this is what we said, this is what you did. Do you see the problem? You know, instead of just hollering at him like, why can't you do what I'm telling you to do?

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

You know, try to try to kind of simplify it for him and let him and help him to focus on what the actual problem is. But that's communication is is to answer your question.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Just try to communicate better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Ty, what about you? A vent to my wife. That's always good. Yeah. And she's she's good about letting you uh vent to her because she like like if I'm venting about like someone in particular, and I'm like, and it's and just when they do this and just it just irks me so much, she'll be like, Yeah, it would irk me too. And she's there, would you? Like, hey, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

I hate when you like vent to somebody and that's weird.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

I thought he asked me. Dang. Dang.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

But I hate I hate when somebody like you vent to them and they like one-up you on something.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Oh my gosh, yeah, the one-upper. Oh yeah, yeah. Uh Liv was telling me the other day uh she was what was she talking about? She was talking about someone uh talking about the babies or whatever. You know, just kind of just kind of not like venting, really, was kind of just just expressing, you know, what she's dealing with or whatever, with the church. Like, oh yeah, no, you wouldn't understand, but like how about just say okay and leave.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

And yeah, and just go about, yeah, just kind of uh talking about what she's thinking or whatever, thinking out loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

I had somebody tell me I was grapping about one of my kids. I can't remember which one, because you know, take your pick, but probably Luke. Luke one out of thirteen. It was Emily or Zane. Anyway, I had somebody tell me, Well, just wait. They get older and it gets worse.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

I'm like, I've got grown kids.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

I have grown kids and they know this. I mean, it's somebody that's aware. It's funny.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

I can't I could not stand that when like before we had kids and while it was pregnant. Oh, just you wait. Yeah, it gets worse or whatever. Cool. Is there any positive?

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Like like on yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Well, and it that's just such a dump because not every pregnancy is the same, not every child's the same, not every twin's the same. I mean, it's they don't know what you're gonna go through. I mean, as they there's some generalities changing.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

Especially, especially as new parents. Yeah, I don't want to hear someone say, Oh, yeah, it gets worse. Are you sure? Because I'm only sleeping 30 minutes at night. You're telling me it gets worse than that, 15? Oh quick.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

I quit.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Oh god, I don't want to do this anymore. It's like we've got uh uh some close friends that just had a baby uh two almost two weeks ago. And freshly, yeah, yeah, nice and texted Liv. It was probably like 11 at night, and like just asked like, does it get does it get better? And Liv was like, I'm not gonna lie, the first few weeks are rough, yeah, but it gets better.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Yeah, absolutely. Well, and it and it uh it you know, they start developing personalities and laughing, and and it it becomes the the rewarding part of it is so much more than the frustration part of it. It really, really is.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

I was talking to Liv a while ago, and she's like, I can't believe they're five months old already. Nuts, dude. I was like, yeah, I know it's I mean, tomorrow they'll be in kindergarten, the next day they'll be graduating high school. I mean, it's it's it just goes so fast.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

Well, I'm in a place now where I see, you know, kids that are you know older, know Zaley's age, Zeke's age. And then uh we had a I don't know why I thought about this. We had a pastor from Generation Church over in Tennessee come and uh preach today. I was watching and I was thinking, my son's gonna grow up to be that old one day. Right.

Kids As A Frustration Mirror

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Like, yeah, it starts it blew it legit just blew my mind. Yep. It starts kind of clicking like, oh no, oh no. Oh gosh. I need to spend as much time as humanly possible. Yeah. Well, and and you do, you'll you'll you'll find those times where they just frustrate the living, I don't know what something living out of you. Hit that applause button. And it really just you have to kind of step back and like, you know what? You you make me mad. But man, I love you.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

I'm not mad at you.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

You make me mad. You know, and for me, it really is just trying to get away like by myself. Just a movie, a game, something. I'll drive just to listen to a podcast and get my mind off of it. Yeah. Because it does. I I I don't, I'm the opposite. I don't hold anything in.

unknown 12:30

I know.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

I will.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

He never amends you this much in the sermon. Not ever. It's so frustrating.

SPEAKER_02 12:42

That's hilarious. I mean, especially with my kids having to repeat, I will literally go zek. Look at me. I need you to grab that picture, move it to that wall, then take that and move it over there. Do you get yes? Are you sure you understand what I just asked you? Yes. We'll go to the other room. Like. Wait, did I miss something? And he comes back with the most blank look on his face. It is so infuriating. It's like, you just looked at me. What? I told you to get oh.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

And then look at you with a straight face, go, why are you so mad?

SPEAKER_01 13:37

I added that to my inventory. Now I know what I'm gonna say. Next time I get in trouble. Why are you so mad? I don't advise you.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Chill out, please. Oh my lord. Please let this happen.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

I'm gonna encourage it. The moment has finally come. I'm gonna encourage it. Zeke, just tell your dad to chill out.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Take a chip, uh, old man.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

And this is the day that Zeke became a man and the day he died.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

I'm gonna buy two pairs of boxing gloves and we're gonna go in the backyard.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

We're gonna have a talk. Yep. Man, oh man, I remember when we were fostering Inman frustration. Oh gosh, our frustration levels were through the roof. Oh, I remember we were we once when we went to Georgia, and I was telling you, I told you one story, and you're like, man, I couldn't. I said, Michael, this is one of like one of a hundred fifty stories. He's like, no way. Like there was one time, like, kind of like just like you would see. I don't know, I don't know where the miscommunication was or how it even happened. Tell this boy, hey, you need to pick stuff up in your room, clean your room, you know, just make it neat, make it organized, you know, just whatever. It's we didn't say whatever, but like pick up your stuff, make your bed, put stuff away, clean your room, right? Pretty, pretty cut and dry. Zeke, tell me what tell me let me because I need this from a 13-year-old boy's perspective. He was 12, so it's pretty close. When I say, hey, Zeke, I need you to pick up stuff in your room and put it away and just get your room clean. Tell me what you hear. Making us dare to mute.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

I'll tell you what he hears. I'll tell you what he hears. This is what Zeke hears. Hey, go get on your phone and hang out for an hour until your dad comes up here to check if you done what he asked you to, and then he gets mad and you're like, What? Why? Sorry, go ahead. Why are you so mad? Go ahead, sorry. You can answer his question. I'm sorry. So legit, tell me what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Um make you don't have to make his spotless, but like at least like clean it up, make everything like look at least pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

So put stuff away. Yeah, yeah, clean. Clean it up a little bit. Yeah, okay. This boy. This is the last this is the last time I told him to clean up. And he's in his room. I'm thinking, okay. He's he's doing it. He's doing it. And so I think after 10 or 15 minutes, I go to check on this boy's laying across his bed with his Pokemon cards out of the little binder thing spread out all over his bed. I'm like, what are you doing? He goes, Oh, I'm organizing my cards. Yeah, yeah. What?

SPEAKER_02 16:36

You told me to clean.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

That's the same thing. That's exactly what he's saying. It's like they just make up something. It's like all my kids, except for Emma, because she doesn't listen to anything I say, but every one of my children, I Yeah, you said nothing. Every one of my kids, I will start to tell them what to do. I'll be like, take this off the table. They go to get the thing off the table. Oh, yes, yeah. Before you're even dying. Yeah, you have no idea what to do now. Yep. Drive them nuts.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

Like you say you have a plate of food, and you're like, I want you to grab this plate of food and they take it, dump it, and put it in the refrigerant. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

It's like, would you, if you take this pill, they take it, you get a little bit of a pill. You're gonna die. No. It's like if you take this pill, you get a million dollars. Boom, take the pill. And then like after like five seconds, it's like your entire family dies with your bloodline. Right. And like, it's like, well, um too late now.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

It's a little too late to do the right thing. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

I'm not old like y'all, so I don't know that.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

I almost said the twist.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Do the twist.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Wow. Oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

So it's it's Emily.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

She was cleaning the kitchen one night and she comes in here and says, Do I need to keep the leftovers? We said yes. She's like, Well, I already threw them out.

SPEAKER_03 18:12

Well, that sucks.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

I just wanted just want to check in how much trouble I'm gonna get in. Check the temperature gauge here.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

Dang, too late now. Man. Well savages. There well, there's one thing. I remember it was it was Emman's birthday, and we asked him where he wanted to go. We were gonna take him out to eat for his birthday, and he said he wanted to go eat Chinese food. You know, right, and uh raised it. Oh no. Oh man, I guess I guess I'll just order everything. Um well he orders his food, and y'all seen him eat before he's 15% of his plate. Yeah, oh. And it takes him 45 minutes to eat 10%, yeah. Yeah. Well, so he we're finishing up and he finished 10% of his food, and so we were gonna take it home. And he got the fortune cookie, and like dropped the fortune cookie on the floor. And Liv said, Hey, pick that up and put it on this napkin. Picks up the dirty fortune cookie and puts it on his excuse me, puts it on his food. Like I thought you were gonna say he just puts it in his mouth.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

Like that's not the napkin. He puts it on his food. I was like, dude, what did she just what came out of her mouth? Now, now the same kid will try to correct you on everything you say, like they know more. They know more, but they do stupid stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

I remember that. Why is it riddle me this Batman Riddler? The why has this episode on frustration been all about our kids?

SPEAKER_02 19:53

I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Because I'm a teenager now.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Thank the Lord.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Because they frustrate you.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

They do, that's why they are a huge source of frustration.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

They frustrate you, that's why. Okay. I don't know what y'all talking about. My my babies are angels for now. That spit upon everything and have blowouts.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

I just heard your angel screaming down the hall, and I heard her yes the the two blocks down there.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Oh, we heard who I think was Esther, we heard her this morning in the green during service while we're in the green room. Man, and we're thinking, like, because we kind of hear it uh uh kind of under the in the pastor preaching, like, is that ours? Is that our it wasn't, and then he paused for a second and then you hear it like, yep, that's ours. Well, it was well it was funny because I was like, oh, let's just assume it's not ours. And then there's the pause, and here, and me and Liv looked at each other like Stor.

Rapid Fire Questions Begin

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Alright. So instead of that's what's up, I got some questions. 73. I got some questions. 85. You ready? I guess. Okay, so this is just open, okay. Question number one. What is one thing that you would change about the world? I didn't know we were going this deep. We only got one thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Why do you not give us time to think about it? One thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Because this has gotta be just from the head.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

World hunger.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Okay. Um I had to change my hands. That's good. Alright, Zake.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Yeah, that's a blank look of Air Song.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

Yeah. Uh we we he didn't tell you to clean your room.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Um more people not being as dumb as they are.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Okay. I think uh disrespecting each other. Yeah, yeah. So disrespecting each other.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

That is one thing. Ooh, I can go on a whole other tangent about that. Well, it's another episode. Yeah, well, like what happened with like this common like courtesy and decency. Yeah, it's like yeah, um me, uh so we were at Bucky's, and we've you know, we've got it's me and Liv, and we got the twins in the double shoulder. Got the uh yeah, well, the limo, as I was calling it the baby limo. It's not a it's not a very spacious store, right? Especially when we go on like a clothes section. Everywhere, man. It's like oh yeah, holy crap. Me and me and Liv are there, and she's looking at like the sweatshirts, and I've got the the twins in front of me, whatever. Whatever. And there's I I didn't see it until they walked past us and Liv said something. Or as an older gent gentleman and I guess his wife. And I guess they were kind of waiting to look at the same section. Well, I I had no idea. I wasn't moving for nothing, and I'm not going to because Liv is still looking. Well, Liv was like, oh, he walked past us, kind of looked at us and just huffed like with such an inconvenience to him.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

How how dare you be looking at what I want to look at? Sorry.

Who You Trust With Truth

SPEAKER_03 23:52

And then yesterday, uh, after we left Silver Dollar City, went to Walmart, and this right around the time, there the babies are getting angry because they're hungry. And so we were changing them in the in the front seats, and I was uh outside the car door open, uh changing Esther. There's a car park next to us. And I didn't realize this and um until I did that the people were trying to get into their car, and well, the lady couldn't get into her car because I was kind of blocking it. And so I when I noticed I was like, Oh, I'm so sorry, man. We're getting our babies together. And she was just looked, just gave me a look like I was such an inconvenience to her. Like, how about like how about just a just a respectful person by oh no problem, it's all right.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Right. Well, and it's probably 20 seconds, yeah. Like, it's not it, it's not the end of the world. Like, later you're gonna get weird. People are in such a hurry. Yeah, yeah. Okay, who do you trust completely? And it can't be like Jesus, like obviously.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

I trust in God. And I'm gonna get in trouble for not saying Jennifer, but what? You're cooked, deep fried, put in the oven. No, I I and because I've trusted you with things that I've never told anybody, yeah, and nobody else knew. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

So come on.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

Uh trust in God. Doesn't count. Now I'll say live. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

Liver.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Liver. Chicken liver. Winner, winner, chicken liver. Go ahead, Zeke.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

I can't think with this guy next to me. Oh um. Say it. Probably either either you, mom, or or grandma, papa Frank. It's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

It's a lot of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Or TJ, which is my close friend from all, I've known him basically ever since I was born.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Uh, or everybody like on the basketball team. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

Godparents are just the bottom of the list. Bottom of the list. Hate us. No, it's fine. I'll take those crocs. I'll take those crocs back.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

Oh, I forgot to give them the$50 uh Amazon.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Well, and I and and definitely, definitely you two are are some, you know, that that I could talk to about anything that I trust.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

You don't have to say me just because I said you with just a no.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

And my circle is very small of who I fully trust. But y'all too, I know I could talk to y'all about anything. Jamie, obviously, my mom, obviously.

unknown 26:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

But one. Tell anyone about that rash. One, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

One.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

My dad is somebody I can trust to give me advice that doesn't sugarcoat it.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

He's gonna give me, if I ask him for advice, whether I like it or not, he's gonna give me what he thinks.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Well, that's an interesting perspective, too, is you trust different people for different things. Exactly.

The Last Time We Felt Lost

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yeah. So like if I know I need somebody to give me just raw, because you will try, you'll say the same thing in a different way than he will. You know, so you'll try to not sugarcoat it, but give it to me in a way that, like, okay, man, let me try to figure out how to do this same with Tyler. Dad'll just be like, look, look, man, this is this, this, this. Man a man. You know, so if I need just a raw, like, no, just tell me straight up. This is gonna hurt. So he'd be up there, and and again, mom, mom, because I think she would try to, okay, how do I say this without it just hurting his feelings? Right. Dad doesn't give a crap. He would just be like, hey, here you go. Yeah, he got out there. Definitely y'all two, Jamie, mom, and dad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Well, Jennifer's on my list too, just so I can just one person. That's what he said. Man, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

Oh, did I?

SPEAKER_00 27:54

That's what I heard.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

Oh, maybe. That's what that's I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Well, uh, when's the last time you felt lost?

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Lost in what way's just in in life. When me and Jennifer separated, that's an easy one. I was I was adrift, man. It was bad. Dark, dark, dark times.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

Yesterday when me and Liv were trying to find the fudgery.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

This is why we don't let Tyler. Like it.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

I like it. Zeke. Me and Bucky's. Lord have mercy. Oh, no. The latest time actually was in Branson. Yeah because I couldn't find the bathroom, and I went all the way to the parking lot. And definitely not there. Still couldn't find the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

It wasn't the last time I felt lost, but it was the it was the the the biggest moment of like, oh no, what next was the night before Aaliyah was born. And I was sleeping in the in the uh chapel. They wouldn't let me in the in the hospital room. I was sleeping in the chapel.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Because y'all were sinners.

History Moments We Would Choose

SPEAKER_02 28:59

And I felt, yeah, and I felt absolutely just I I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know who I am. I I mean I felt the most isolated I've ever felt.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

I've never had kids and I could like still imagine that like scared.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Yeah, it was it was because like you and your mom weren't like jiving at that time, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Right. She kind of by the time we had her, she was, you know, she'd she'd come around. Yeah, but I mean it was it was literally like okay, tomorrow everything's gonna change. Right.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Like it was it was uh Do things change, Tyler, when you have No, it's it's it's it's it's still the same, basically.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

If you could participate in one historical event, what would it be? One historical event. Tyler's Doplat. The Last Supper. Oh, that's a good one. What do you say? Okay, The Last Supper. That's a good one. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Tyler's gonna be a good one. We already know he's gonna say something stupid.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

My mind's going dark. Okay. Go ahead. No, let me think of it.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

No, don't give us apparently. Reference, Bobby reference.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

Ooh, let me think. If I participate in a historical event.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Yeah.

unknown 30:35

Man.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

One historical event. What would it be?

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Woodstock.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

Like what do you like denying? What do you mean like like participate as in like be involved or like watch it? Be in be involved in some way. Be involved with it.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

In some way, shape, or form. Man. Well, he thinks I'm the Titanic. Okay, there you go. That's a good one. That would be a tough one to that would be a good one. Okay. Zeke.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

Okay. Kobe Bryant's um helicopter crash, like death. Yeah. Cause I'd like beforehand, definitely I'd warn the pilot. Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Hey, don't do it. Well, you won't have knowledge of that, but okay. Hey, Mr.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Bryant, you should go for a walk today.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Oh, that'd be a good one. Martin Luther King. Shout myself out.

What Still Takes Our Breath

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Not Martin, not Martha. I don't even know. I can't even say it how he said it. Martha Luther King. Martha Lutheran. Martin Luther King. The same way it says it. I don't know why. Um which I I mean there's there's probably a bunch. Mine would probably be being on one of the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. I would have tried to do something. Which not saying they didn't try to do something, but you know, maybe I could have had a an effect on it. Yeah. That would have been kind of one of one of them.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

See, I'm I'm I'm coming at it from a angle of just experiencing it. I didn't know we're like I didn't know we're going like with the butterfly effect and trying to change the past. Oh, I'm just gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

I came up with something else. I wasn't trying to affect anything. I just wanted to observe and be a part of of Jesus' Last Supper.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

I'm gonna go this way now. What what is something that takes your breath away?

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Swimming.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

No, I knew you were gonna go. When I say that, it means something that that excites you, shocks you, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Um that takes my breath away.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Probably um probably when like I may if I make like a game winner or something.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

That's good.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I'd yeah, that'd be very, very cool. Very breath. Very good.

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Yeah. Okay, ta-ta. You can take my breath away.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

Okay, um, all right, Enrique. I would say my family. It's good. Because it's it's uh one of those things, not that I never thought I would have my own family, but it's one of those things so far away. It seems it's like a very distant thing, and like it's I don't know. I never I wouldn't say I never saw myself having a family, but it's like you see, everyone they've got their family, and you don't really think of really having your own. And it's like I've got a fantastic wife and and two beautiful children. Yep, and it's kind of crazy to think about. Yep. I've got offspring. Not the band.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

That terrifies everybody. And he looks like me, and she looks like her. I hope they're taller than me.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

I hope they are too. I hope they are too. Better chance of getting in the NBA. That's right.

Relationship Lessons That Stick

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Uh well, I want to say this, but I I'm I know y'all are gonna do what y'all do. But it still catches me off guard when Jennifer laughs. Like really, really belly laughs. Yeah. It's just it there's just something about it that just makes things right. Yeah. And it's um after 17 years of marriage, it still hits me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:21

You gotta crush.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

You're gonna get cooties.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Uh-huh. You are idiots. That's funny. The the sound of my kids and or Jamie when I walk through the door.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

Yeah.

unknown 34:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

The sound of them dad or hey babe, or or dad in a dark, deeper voice. No, it's this guy. It it still melts everything away.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Nothing is nothing is so bad that that can't take it away.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Yep, yep. Uh, what's the most important lesson you took from a past relationship? It could be dating or just a friend. I'll start this one. Um I'll start always be honest.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:12

Who's next?

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Uh be very careful about who you start a relationship with.

Negative Self Talk We Fight

SPEAKER_03 35:18

That's good. Yeah. Like it. Uh kind of kind of kind of with Michaels, but uh communication is paramount. Yeah. What is paramount? Like it. It's super important.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

It's if you say utmost, he's gonna say what's utmost. I was going to, but I'm not going to.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

Is it probably up? It's probably in the Mount Rushmore of most important things in any relationship. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yeah, I agree. Um for me, this is like a friend one. Um, I'd rather have five real friends than a hundred fake friends.

SPEAKER_02 36:02

Oof, that'll preach. What negative self-talk do you struggle with?

SPEAKER_00 36:06

My weight. Restart that question. Yeah, and it's it's it's because everybody jokes with me about it, and it's it's it's not a thing, but it really my weight really bothers me. Yeah. And it's it's something I have struggled with, I've prayed about, I've tried, I've lose weight and gain it back, and it's just it's it's it's it's frustrating. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

We had an episode on that.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

We did, yes, doesn't exist, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Oh, for me, good lord. Uh right now it's that uh thinking I'm a terrible father and that other people see me as a terrible father.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

What was the question?

SPEAKER_02 36:55

What negative self-talk do you struggle with? Um negativity towards yourself, what's something you struggle with?

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Um let's see. Um thinking I'm that like thinking I I don't look good enough, or thinking like I'm not tall enough, or something like of that nature.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Yeah. I felt that.

Personal Growth And Blind Spots

SPEAKER_01 37:20

He said I felt uh I felt that.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Um We in the same boat. I got a whole laundry list.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Yeah, it was hard to pick one.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

My biggest one is I I feel often out of place. Like I just I don't fit anywhere. Yeah. I f I mean I felt like that as a kid, you know, just I don't fully fit in anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

You are you are definitely a square pig in a round hole.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

Yep. Yep, yeah. What? Uh we'll just do a couple more. Um This is hurting my brain.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

I know.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

How do you actively try to achieve personal growth?

SPEAKER_00 38:08

Uh trying to be more self-aware, just trying to always look at myself and and where I can be. Yeah. Except for weight. I can't see that apparently.

Lightning Round Advice And Values

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Um I would say uh learning from others, good and bad. That's good. What to do, what not to do. That's good. I would say that's probably the most effective way that I've grown uh uh in really every aspect of my life, professionally, relationally, personally, all these things.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Learning from my mistakes and um working like on myself and all that, just staying in my own lane.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

That's good. Uh minus uh take more advice from those that are close to you.

unknown 39:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

They see your blind spots. You know, I I think I have a lot of blind spots and taking advice from those that are that are closest to me. Yeah. All right, couple more, couple more. This is gonna be lightning round, okay? Okay, so make it fast. Quick make it fast, okay? If you could time travel, what would be one piece of advice you would give your younger self?

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Seven.

unknown 39:26

Oh Lord.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Do not get married unless you're serious. Good. Oh gosh.

unknown 39:32

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_03 39:33

Um be a teacher.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

That's good. There you go. I remember he used to teach music.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Okay, go, Zick. Come on, lightning round.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

He doesn't understand lightning. Um, work on yourself and don't worry about what the others have to say.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

That is good. You are enough. Uh that would be what I tell myself. Uh, what quality do you value most in a friend?

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Punctuality. That's good.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

Say it one more time. Punctual what quality do you value most in a friend?

SPEAKER_03 40:12

Most in a friend.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

Yep.

The Hard Question About Self

SPEAKER_03 40:19

I would say the ability to be serious and not be serious.

unknown 40:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

That's good. That's good. Okay, Zeke.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Loyalty and like just being there for me and all that.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Nice. Um mine would be just honesty. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

You know, big on honesty on these questions.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

Yeah, just but just yeah. Yep, yep. All right. Last question. I don't like your socks. Last question, last question, last question. I'm gonna find a good one here. Um I didn't like that sound.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Oof. Oh no, okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

And this is for our listeners as well. This is this is interesting, especially today, you know, kind of went with everything. Uh simple question. Do you like yourself?

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Oof. Most days. Yeah. Um I I feel like and wow. I've never asked myself that question.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Most days I do. Some days I hate myself. Yeah. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

I'll say I like myself more than I did ten years ago.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Amen. Yeah. I'd have definitely punched myself in the face.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

Yeah. Some days I don't like myself, but most of the time I do like myself.

Closing Thoughts And Family Love

SPEAKER_02 41:50

And and mine is kind of the opposite. An overwhelming majority of the time I do not. I beat myself up a lot, and I want to I want to be further along than I am. Yeah. And it it drives me crazy and I blame myself a lot. So most days, no. It's a it's just a constant struggle. I talked about that a little bit this morning. And in the message, it's it's rough. It's rough. Definitely more than I than like like Kelly Tyler, like you said, like more than 10 years ago. That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Back then. Back then, back in your days. Back in my day. About like 1900s and stuff. Easy.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

My back hurt when you said that.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

That's why my back hurts.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

Um, yeah, you'd like go out drinking and everything, and now you're a pastor. Put my stuff out in the street, 200 people.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

That was an interesting way to end this episode.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Yes. I sure love y'all.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Love you too. Love you too, dad.