Unification vs Divide & Conquer - Spiritual Perspectives: Discerning News

 "Unification and hope or divide and conquer."  The speakers explore the themes of unification and hope versus division and hate, particularly in the context of recent violent events and societal issues. They discuss the energy of hate and anger, the importance of detachment from moral issues, and how personal loyalty and responsibility within community involvement.  

"You have to be unified with your true feelings and intellect to be unified with others...The energy of hate and anger is consuming...Love your enemies to stay detached."  

The conversation concludes with solutions centered around hope and inspiration, emphasizing the need for individuals to take charge of their lives and communities. 

Takeaways

• Unification within allows Spirit to inspire hope.
• Hate and anger create a consuming energy that distracts from spiritual growth.
• Detachment from moral issues allows for clearer impressions and perspectives.
• Personal loyalty and responsibility are key to spiritual growth as well as community well-being.
• Being aware of the energy around us helps navigate challenges.
• Solutions flow from feeling hope and receiving inspiration.
• Understanding one's true identity is crucial for personal empowerment.
• Recognising overthinking leads to better decision-making.
• Staying present helps in managing life's challenges.
• Community is vital for individual as well as collective growth.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Unification and Hope vs. Divide and Conquer
• 2:58 The Energy of Hate and Anger
• 11:13 Detachment and Moral Issues
• 21:04 Personal Loyalty, Responsibility and Community
• 27:08 Hope, Inspiration, and Solutions

Transcript

TNT SpiritWorks (00:01)
Unification and hope or divide and conquer. That's some of the things we're going to chat about today, right? Yeah. Yeah. So let's get on with it because there's a lot of stuff going on and it seems it's kind of interesting because around this time of the year, December, I was listening to some people on Facebook and social media is talking about how, you know, it should be a time where we're kind of more relaxed and happy. And then it's like, ah, there's so much going on. Right? mean, seriously. 

So I guess we'll start with the the Hanukkah celebration in Bondi Beach in Australia and the thing that happened there with the gunmen and all the people that got taken out. So that was pretty intense. Yeah, I suppose a lot of people would be curious as to say, how do I reconcile this, you know, being a spiritual person with this incredible bizarre hate that shows up and that, you know, even if you're a warrior and you think about going to war,

Like it doesn't make any sense. Two guys go with guns and as if they're not gonna get killed or shot or arrested or... It's just pure... It's without any...

You have to ask what's the purpose, because it doesn't make any sense. I mean, it's not. What's the point of all that, except for there's probably some religious concepts where they believe they're going to go to heaven or get 72 virgins or whatever the whatever the deal is. ⁓ And, you know, that applies in other with other folks and other things as well. Yeah. So as we all know, there was this

Massacre there in Bondi Beach in Australia and where we had two gunmen shoot up a bunch of people who were celebrating Hanukkah And so I suppose the I think the first thing I'm gonna just open up with to just talk a little bit about That energy. I want to just talk about that energy before we get into talking about

the solutions and so forth, which is what for me I want to do. So I just want to talk about how the energy of hate and anger. I want to talk about that for a minute. And for everybody listening, this is really important. If you are interested in your spiritual life, this is a very important concept to understand because I don't want to judge it. That it's just a thing that's there. Right. Hate.

If I get involved in hate, it's going to create a pathway. It's going to create a, like anything else, it's going to create a pathway. It's like going through the woods and you know, you're trying to walk through the woods and it's like, there's branches everywhere. And then, you know, if you go through it again, you start kind of whacking at some of the branches, you take them off and then you go through it again. All of a sudden you clear a pathway.

And then you go through that same area. get before, you know, you can put some rocks down, easy to walk through before, know, you got concrete there and pretty soon you had this super highway. So it just flows very easily. And you think, well, why would the hate thing be so important? Because hate or anger focuses all your emotions and thoughts, all of the stuff that can hit me as a sensitive.

Right? All of the, the machinations and pressures of the world. The moment I have that kind of anger and hate, it brings everything to one. I don't have all this other bounce and stuff around me. So you wonder why people get so attached to it. It's like a drug. You can get so stuck in it because it unifies your thoughts. That's what for the, those people talk about revenge. They say revenge is divine because.

When you're in it, it's like nothing else matters. You're singular and focus, right? So to me, that energy of hate is where I've gotten so far off into a tangent that the big picture has become this little thing I'm looking at, right? That everything becomes this little thing. And that's how anything can turn into anger and hate.

And eventually that will turn into fear of success that will keep me from doing what I've come to do. Yeah. So I'm glad you opened up with this tiger because this, we see this consistently. We saw it this week in the Brown university. We saw it with the Rob Reiner and his son, you know, killing, perhaps killing his mom and dad. He's so, know, allegedly yes. ⁓ and that, and that part there was, they were at the, ⁓ a Christmas party where a lot of them heard the father and the son, you know,

getting angry and emotions coming up and then who you know, then afterwards, you know, things happen. So, so this type of ordeal is interesting. Like when you're talking about, see it like, you know, when we take the mic, the mic magnifier and you put the sun through it to like a focus. Yes. It's like that. Like I'm focusing on this, whether it be love, whether it be hate and anger and, and discord or whatever that it consistently just, you know, just as your base to a point where then it's like,

something horrific happens. That's Yeah. So the bottom line is that is for me not to get involved in judging these things, but rather making sure I am balanced, making sure I have the big picture, making sure that I am involved in what I came to do because it only takes I'm a creator.

Everybody in this room is a creator. Everybody listening to this is a creator. So where am I going to create? What am I going to put energy into? Wherever I put my energy into something, it's going to going to have an effect. Good or bad, good or bad. So the, the negative, big negative part is I get a front end people who get involved in that kind of thing where it just gets consuming to them. And then they think the only thing to do is to lash out like that.

Or just as bad as they lash inside. They beat themselves up inside, right? That's just as bad. But if they get involved in that, it's just a diminishing returns. I have to keep feeding it with more and more intellect, more and more emotion to feed it. It doesn't survive on its own. I can't hate all by myself. I have to keep feeding it.

If I'm left to my own devices, if I'm just interact with people, if I just go in my daily life, that doesn't exist. I have to keep feeding that kind of energy. It doesn't, it's a natural space for me energetically. I know you've brought it up in the green room, Tom, about noticing that groups of people have been doing that to one another lately. Right. Well, I think whenever you get caught up in that energy of moral issues,

That's it. And what we mean by that is that, you know, our society is made up of, you know, we work together, we live together based on some religious ideas and religious laws and practices, as well as ⁓ the physical, you know, that, you know, for example, if you run red stoplights, you risk getting killed. Or if you step out in front of a truck, you're going to get smashed.

right? Running at 70 miles an hour or something. what strikes me is the energy of moral issues. When I get caught in that, know, it's great to discern what's right and wrong for me or what feels best or what is right and wrong or good or bad, you know, are just ways of describing it. But if I get consumed by it,

I have to be careful because these events that occur can stimulate that. What I hear from what I hear you saying, strikes me is it can stimulate it in me. Now I want to hate these guys that did this thing and we're going to talk about all the hate and be righteous about it. And so people would say, well, my God, that's crazy. Of course you don't want these guys running around.

Well, of course you don't want these guys running around and we have to do something about that. Yeah. But they're out there, but they're out there, know. So what helps me is I just staying detached from that. That's right. I don't contone that behavior. I would enforce the law against anyone who would break those laws. But if I get caught in the mental gymnastics and I guess what it's almost like indulging in the moral issue. Yeah.

And this is what we get to where what you're alluding to, Teresa, is that I'm noticing that like with all the talking heads, the pundits, the commentators that have YouTube videos and podcasts and news stories and things that they love to get involved in the moral issues. They make a living from it. And energetically, don't think it's healthy. Because it's just it's that same energy.

And you, you know, you could say this confusion moves from one thing to another, but as long as we have this power tripping going on here on planet earth, which we probably always going to have, ⁓ at least until the school gets completely reformed one way or another over, you know, eons, ⁓ it's going to be part of the learning experience here. How do I stay detached from all that? Yeah. So, ⁓ it's good stuff. Good Good stuff. Yeah. I'm feeling like,

you know, it's a feeding of the energy. That's right. And so for myself, and that's, think why we do what we do here every week is, is to really just bring these stories, which you know what, we look back to almost, we've been doing this almost a year now, look back the stories, they all have the same type of influences and energies and different things floating through them, but they're just different, different variations of it that actually for myself, touches different parts of me.

Sometimes it can bring up the anger or it can bring up the sadness or inspiration or enthusiasm, but it depends on what's the energy behind it. So what you're saying and what I hear you saying, Tom, about, you know, feeding that energy for myself, when I understand who I am as a soul and that I have, you know, a team of support in the unseen world and I work with my inner gifts, that ability enables me to be able to discern when I need to be somewhere, the timing.

Who do I need to be around? Who do I, what do I need to be involved in? And that keeps me in the right place in the right time. Now, you know, who's not to say I'm not going to be involved in something down the road and a different place. But overall, if I'm able to discern these keys from using my spiritual part, I'm really able to move and, also just watch from a distance things that happen to go. Okay. That's, that's interesting that happened that way. And so, you know, what is that for me in that, you know, in that mirroring image?

Yeah, so the, think to before I move on to talking about all the solutions and so forth. So that energy, that thought pattern that that type of group or people that indulge good way to say it, indulge in that kind of ⁓ hate, anger, fear, basically, is they're consumed with something. So they're like an angry bull, right? And

for myself when I'm around that feeling, when I'm around people like that, I don't stand in front of the bowl. Right? If you don't ever stand in front of that kind of thing, what you do is you address it from the side, right? You step out of the direct energy of it and you address it from the side. Right? Like if we were in the military, you'd say you don't take that

kind of a enemy on head on you ambush him, right? Because they're so blind. They're so blind with that energy, with that hate, with that focus, right? They can't see around them. I mean, it makes them powerful because they're just willing to go straight, you know, but the, they're actually slaves because they're so caught up in the one thing they've lost sight of everything. Right. So for me,

If I know that that energy is in the environment, I don't ever take it on head on. needed to address it from the side. need to get, move off to the edge, right. And deal with it there. It doesn't mean I can't be a hero and deal with it there or move out or whatever. It's I don't try to address it straight on. come from a side spot and what that means, uh, spiritually and figuratively is that when I feel that thing hitting me,

I'm sure I know for myself, I don't know if you all have all had this happen where something just pisses you off. Right. And that can start boiling. Right. I don't try to solve that straight at it. I relax and do what you're saying, Tom. I get detached. I take a moment and I get to tech detached. It's like stepping to the side. I'm letting that energy rush past.

I'm letting it flow past me, right? It may not feel good, but it's going to flow past me and then I can address it. get back in charge of my energy. And so for me in, in, recap this part, I don't want to be, if I'm going to get around that feeling, whether it's in me or around me, I need to get detached. I need to get in a position where I can deal with things from a bigger picture because I can have a solution.

That's going to help myself and everybody around me if I'm not just caught up in it. Does that make sense? Yeah. So anyway, that was that, that piece there before we move on to solutions. struck me is the old ⁓ adage or saying, ⁓ I guess it's a Christian saying love your enemies. Yeah. And that gets you detached. People say, why, how could I love my enemy? How could you love these guys that open fire?

It's more of a feeling of detachment. That's right. Without judging. I certainly ⁓ evaluate their behavior or judge their behavior. if I don't have a solution as to how to control, we don't have much of a solution on how to control that yet. So we, you know, we shoot them or, you know, we put them in jail forever and that kind of thing. that's the way society has of dealing with these.

I guess that's love your enemies is one of those ⁓ wise old sayings. And often if I try to intellectually understand that, it doesn't make any sense. That's right. But if I have a feeling for that, it's like, ⁓ I'm in this energy of I love you so much that I'm going to check you out because you're in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing. You know, well, I mean, think think about what it takes if I'm

I, we've all had family members and friends and not so friendly friends hit us with things that stimulate the heck out of us. So just think for a moment for yourself. If you're what's that feeling of just honoring, loving and respecting people as they are. And then just feeling like you have nothing but anger for that person. Those are, those are polar opposites. Those are two different places complete. can't.

be in the same place there. Those are two things. So the moment I come back to that, that vibration of love thy enemy, then I get forced to float up higher. I get forced to see things from the bigger picture. It doesn't mean that I don't, well, let me set my boundaries here. It doesn't mean that I don't know, you know, we're not doing that. This is my house, you know, or whatever, but it's that bigger picture of respecting self and respecting the person.

Where. There.

interesting because what's coming up for me around these different scenarios that we've been talking about and the things that have happened recently is how I know for myself things that I see out in the distance, you know, maybe like a news story like one had that was this week was about maybe perhaps the trans thing and about that they're thinking of ending the care for trans youth under 18 and proposing to pulling off federal funding from the hospitals that provide

you know, block puberty blocking drugs, hormone therapy or surgeries to minors. And I think about my situation and where I'm at in my life and how if I had kids raising right now, I guess that age, I would probably be fighting in a big way because that because it's ridiculous to think that the parents have no say whatsoever in a child that's under 18 that it's it's, know, responsibility of the hospital because it's, know, or the school because also schools now take more. that

They can't tell the parents anything. Well, so I just think about the timing of things also in the spiritual perspective of how things roll through our lives and the different things that come and go. And even the things we're talking about, which we've talked about Gaza and different things that forward, these things have gone on these areas for thousands of years. This is not the first rodeo for really any of this, but things like the trans thing, it is unique because that thing has that's really never come up before that I've noticed.

Even looking back at history books, has there been a time when we've tried to change sexes and been confused about who we were as, you know, male and female? I don't know of any. Well, I mean, you know, when Rome got to a certain point, they were pretty flamboyant. But the point is, is that your point is taken. And just to kind of lead with the solution with some of that stuff. I agree with you 100 percent. You know,

Ultimately, the responsibility needs to be more and more to the individual, more and more to the family unit, more and more to the community and not further away from it. ⁓ why do I say that? I don't say that because I'm some kind of, you know, freak in one direction or politically bias in one direction. It's because I know the greatest spiritual growth and efficiency is

When the individual has the most power, right? Not, not an outside source. So when I'm responsible for me, for my family unit, for my community, that is the greatest opportunity for spiritual growth and in most rapid and effective pace. So that's number one is ultimately, how do I bring the responsibility back to me, back to my family unit and back to my community?

So part of the solution is if I'm in a position where I'm not independent and I'm dependent on things, I need to point my nose in to the direction of independency. I need to point myself toward being organized to have more than enough. Right? I don't have to know how to get there.

I just need to point my nose in that direction, make that decision because all this controversy of the, you know, the hospital doing this or the kids and the trans and all that kind of stuff at the root and core is going to be as if I'm taking care of myself and I'm taking care and working with my family unit first.

then there's a lot of spiritual backing to clarify things of whether that belongs or doesn't belong for those individuals. But when other people get involved and I'm dependent on the hospital, dependent on the government, dependent on my brother, dependent on the community, then what happens is I'm inviting more things in there and I don't have the insight at the moment it's needed.

to clarify situations. That is the first for me, that is the key solution. This ahead way ahead of all the other moral issue of whether there's trans or not trans or whether we should support it or not support all that is way down there third or fourth. If I'm not coming back home to who I am spiritually, what's my identity? Not this flesh.

wrapped around me. Do I know who I really am? Forget about boy girl thing. Do I know who I really am? I can't even take this physical body with me when it's time to go home, let alone the gold and silver. So until that's clear, all this other stuff is a sideshow. Not to diminish what it's a circus, not to diminish the issues that they're going through.

It's a sideshow from the perspective of if I don't know my true identity, what makes me think that somehow, because I change an outfit or change my idea about my intellectually about myself, it's going to make any real difference. I'm just going to change how I look, but I'm going to bring how I feel. That's the issue. All the confusion is going to just keep with me. Yeah. In fact, ⁓ there's many.

psychologists and psychiatrists, as well as people who have experienced that trans situation, finding out that's the truth of it, is it didn't cure any confusion. It shows up again later. so it's just the flavor of the moment, really. Yeah. And if they want to get together, if the community wants to get together and support that, that's great. Do that. But the issue is that

Daddy and mommy has been taking care of all this stuff. And then when daddy and mommy change out, right? The government changes out. That's what I'm trying to say. Then all of a sudden it becomes a moral issue because you're threatening my survival. You're threatening my identity. They get the hell out of there. Get them out of that environment. Get back to the community. Get back to the group that will support because that's where the energy is. That's where the spiritual backing is.

Want daddy and mommy to do it? Guess what daddy and mommy got to say? Yeah, I think the big con there might say is that you know, you need me somebody outside of you. ⁓ You need the big government or the big institution or the church or the whatever, whatever the outer is. You need that so I can ⁓ take care of you. And if you buy into that.

because you have this concept that you can't take care of yourself or you're not tuning into who you really are, what your true feelings are. And many of us, when we're young, we were like, no, I want to do it. I can feel who I am. Don't limit me. Don't hold me back ⁓ from what I know I can do. And sometimes the timing's not right. You got to wait for the kids to get a little older, you know? But yeah, it's a big con. If I really feel that I'm a soul,

that I'm unlimited, that I've got lifetimes of experience and I've got inner wisdom to tune into, I'm enthusiastic about the challenges that come up. But all I have to do is ask myself, but if I get in the habit, if I've gotten in the habit of looking outside myself for answers, you know, I've found that I do feel inauthentic or I try to act like someone else, another prototype rather than just being my genius in that situation.

having enough love and patience for myself that I just allow myself to have these little learning experiences and modify over time. ⁓ Interesting. Well, I mean, I guess the final component for wrap up here is also discussing about how the, if I'm not going to be full of hope and inspiration, I'm going to be a part of divide and conquer.

And that's the other thing that you were mentioning in the green room where we're talking about how those who are get involved in the politics of the day or the politics in the business or the social circle, right? The politics is a universal word. It doesn't have to be just government, right? If I get involved in the politics, eventually I'll feel that power trip, right? It's a gossip thing. It becomes a clicky thing. And that energy

Immediately start separating. It's a divide and conquer thing. And when the moment I don't have a unified enemy to fight with my little click, we'll start eating each other. We'll start eating each other. The red ties will start eating each other. The blue ties will start eating each other, right? The, the, your party, whatever government it is, whatever government party will start eating each other because if they don't have a unified threat,

Then they start, it's, the nature of that politic. It's the nature of that divide and conquer and that, that tribe, that tribalness. if I'm not careful, I'm not involved in hope. What was the other inspirational word was it was unification and hope. If I don't have that sense of that bigger picture, I'm so sensitive by default, I'll start picking up all of the separation.

I'll start wanting to divide rather than include. You know, what strikes me is it's like a bit of a ⁓ there is energy there when you do that division. It is there. But it's it's like looking for a place to continue that rush of energy that you felt when you're, you know, fighting the good fight or something. And ⁓ anyways, it's just that's what

what strikes me about it instead of the unification or hope in the solutions. Well, like Teresa brought up, was gonna say, Teresa, you've had a you've you shared different stories with us over the years about how the people in, you know, whether it's this place that you used to work, or the place that you know, you've been working, it's like, it's amazing how people just get caught up in the little trip, and they forget who the bigger picture of what they've come to do.

Yeah, I mean, all that we're looking at in the news really is just reflection of our small world, right? It's just a bigger, a bigger version of it. And so I think it's actually more also more amplified and more profound perhaps than what we are dealing with day to day. But yet we are dealing with it day to day. And I know that all three of us, know, within our work of what we do and the places that people were involved with, it's like,

Yeah, divide and conquer, unification, hope. mean, it's sometimes hard to be on what side are we on with what the people are working with. But I like what you said earlier about coming on the side because I've been doing that, especially at work. There's a few that are a little more challenging for myself. And I recognize that there's there's no getting through to that energy. So I'm like, okay, I'll just stay around the side and just work, work what I need to work. And it's been much better for myself. Healthier, healthier for myself. And I'm able to

to move through what I've come to do in my day to day versus going, okay, well, how do I head on with that energy? No, there's no head on with that energy, which is kind of what we're talking about with all these different energies, whether it be watching someone do horrific things like did it on Bondi Beach or the trans thing or the infighting of the left and the right. It's like all these things, how do we work with it to?

access to hope and being in feeling of unification. So what is what let's let's end with some some solutions. All right. Well, for me, ⁓ I relate to this a lot just because, you know, I'm a sensitive person. I pick stuff up meaning and it's easy to in weak moments to get pulled into stuff. You we we want on the 24 hour news cycle. And now with, you know,

social media and these iPhones and tablets and stuff like that, these smartphones just throw it to me in my lap. And I could be sitting just taking a quick look at something and before I know it, an hour has gone by. It's amazing how the algorithms and all this, they just suck right in, you know? So for me, part of that solution is really knowing what is my purpose and what is my direction.

And when I say that, I don't mean some big fancy profound thing like, knowing who I truly am and all this stuff, although I do include that. It's like having direction that I'm going to the grocery store today, having direction. I'm going to go make dinner, having to, I got to take the trash out today. And while that sounds mundane and simple and oversimple, it is amazing how

When the people in my environment are confused or when I'm having challenges in business or whatever's going on for me physically, if I have that sense of purpose, if I had that sense of wanting, desiring to fulfill and work with my helpers and do what I've come to do, even if I can't unfold that 100%, it is incredible how many more solutions are there.

It is incredible how much more backing and support is there. And to your point, it's amazing how I end up being at the right place at the right time. Meaning that sometimes I'm not in the place where all the troubles are. Right. Because I'm kind of guided away from that, but I'm not guided away from it. Or I get lost when I don't have that inner direction.

When I don't have that inner purpose. So I get lost and I'll get sucked into problems. So to me, ⁓ the wrap up is about having that desire for inner direction and inner purpose down to the basic little thing, like I'm just gonna go do this today. And I'm gonna couple that, I'm gonna marry that with the bigger picture of spirit and who I really am. Yeah, my wrap up is around.

Discerning and trusting in, you know, my, the unseen spiritual parts of myself. And like you're saying, Tiger, I mean, I too am very sensitive and, and have been when I, when I was younger and I still am and will be all the way to the end, cause I'm a soul in a physical body. So recognizing that the more often I trust and I, and I tune into, what, you know, like there's been times lately where I've been doing something and like, wait a minute,

And I just take a moment and I breathe. I'm like, that's not me. What is that? And I'll immediately get it's this, it's that. And it comes so quickly. So it's not like I have to go, I got to meditate on the mountain for 10 hours and find out what the hell that's about. No, it happens instantly. So that discernment for myself is a real key. in, know, listening, watching and feeling all these things that are going on around the world, because we're all interconnected as a web of energy. A couple of things that keep me relaxed is the idea that

A lot of what's happening are symptoms of the success that we're actually having overall spiritually. And as people are moving up, it's like the confusion is just throwing tantrums and doing everything it can to ⁓ influence people to get us scared again or can feel confused. And they're confused about their direction. For me, ⁓ one of the lessons of the week, my solution of the week,

We probably should add that little Tom solution of the week. Every is not overthinking. And a couple of nice opportunities have opened the door has opened or there's a, there's a crack in, in, for my direction and have come to light today. You would, or would say, I would say over the last week. And I noticed that in the past, I would almost start trying to make a decision about a couple of opportunities before I had the fact.

And now I was saying to Teresa, you know, I don't even know what the facts are. So how can I make a decision? Because I've got a, I've got a good feeling about it. I've got a good feeling about the both ways I could go, you know, in terms of direction, I'm happy about it. But honestly, until I know more and I get a sense of the environment and what's happening, I'm not going to overthink and.

I tie that into what you guys were sharing in that, you know, if I just focus on now what do I gotta do today? Today I had to go to the dentist and get a new bridge and, because I gotta get that done and I'm gonna do this next and, you know, so that the goals that we want to achieve or I want to achieve will end up fulfilled instead of me getting stuck and trying to decide something before it's time.

Yes, I'll be in the present, guess is really the in the present. you go, Tom, be in the my present, be in your present, not in tigers or my present being your own present. Well, so that's a good place to end. And I think that as this time frame that we're in and how it's it's seems to be a time where a lot of people are celebrating, some people are not celebrating, ⁓ you know, finding out how to come into more expansion in themselves spiritually.

And that and some of the keys for that was to relax and to also release things that maybe are a burden and not really working for you anymore. So in the sense of all that and what we've shared today, I hope that you've enjoyed this episode and we are very thankful for you. It's like I said, it's almost been a year. We're coming up about two and a half weeks to our year anniversary and we ⁓ appreciate you being on this journey with us and hope that you are wherever you're at in the world. 

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