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And it got us"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":57.57,"endTime":62.91,"body":"thinking about other professions"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":57.57,"endTime":62.91,"body":"where one's work is seen but not"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":62.91,"endTime":67.47,"body":"heard, and so are sort of closed"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":62.91,"endTime":67.47,"body":"to people who are not"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":67.47,"endTime":70.8,"body":"experiencing the world visually."},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":67.47,"endTime":70.8,"body":"So today, we have a bit of a"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":70.8,"endTime":77.01,"body":"collection of professions whose"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":70.8,"endTime":77.01,"body":"whose workers conduct themselves"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":77.01,"endTime":80.25,"body":"in silence, but where their"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":77.01,"endTime":80.25,"body":"movements and their gestures and"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":80.25,"endTime":84.15,"body":"what they're doing are essential"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":80.25,"endTime":84.15,"body":"to their work. 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