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But the the, the"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1540.04,"endTime":1544.06,"body":"way race is depicted in some of"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1540.04,"endTime":1544.06,"body":"the in some of these I find"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1544.06,"endTime":1545.17,"body":"really uncomfortable."},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":1545.23,"endTime":1549.58,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":1545.23,"endTime":1549.58,"body":"caricature is a big part of"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":1549.58,"endTime":1551.29,"body":"cartooning, is it not?"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1551.59,"endTime":1554.05,"body":"It is for sure. And"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1551.59,"endTime":1554.05,"body":"that, you know, it's a fine"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1554.05,"endTime":1558.34,"body":"line, right? Caricature is a"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1554.05,"endTime":1558.34,"body":"really fine line. Like, here's"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1558.34,"endTime":1561.64,"body":"one again that this one would be"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1558.34,"endTime":1561.64,"body":"I think it's by the same artist"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1561.67,"endTime":1565.21,"body":"who did that last one. And so"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":1561.67,"endTime":1565.21,"body":"he's caricaturing. 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