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It"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2140.11,"endTime":2146.62,"body":"was a just a wild day, full of"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2140.11,"endTime":2146.62,"body":"xtraordinary images."},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2148.06,"endTime":2152.723,"body":"Perhaps I'll say thank you to"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2148.06,"endTime":2152.723,"body":"those listeners, and friends and"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2152.798,"endTime":2157.462,"body":"colleagues who sent us notes,"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2152.798,"endTime":2157.462,"body":"knowing that we were going to be"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2157.537,"endTime":2162.126,"body":"covering this, asking us about"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2157.537,"endTime":2162.126,"body":"how we're going to cover this,"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2162.201,"endTime":2166.639,"body":"and encouraging us to do so."},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2162.201,"endTime":2166.639,"body":"This is a strange way to start"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2166.714,"endTime":2171.302,"body":"the new year - for all of us."},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2166.714,"endTime":2171.302,"body":"And I was really touched by the"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2171.378,"endTime":2175.816,"body":"number of people who sent us"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2171.378,"endTime":2175.816,"body":"notes knowing that this is the"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2175.891,"endTime":2180.705,"body":"this is what we do on this show,"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2175.891,"endTime":2180.705,"body":"and being supportive of it, and"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2180.78,"endTime":2185.594,"body":"thanking us for it in advance. I"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2180.78,"endTime":2185.594,"body":"thought that was really lovely."},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2185.669,"endTime":2189.13,"body":"So thank you to all those"},{"speaker":"JJ Hunt","startTime":2185.669,"endTime":2189.13,"body":"listeners out there."},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":2190.21,"endTime":2193.6,"body":"I second"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":2190.21,"endTime":2193.6,"body":"thought. And as usual, JJ, you'r"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":2193.6,"endTime":2199.96,"body":"the one who does the heav"},{"speaker":"Christine Malec","startTime":2193.6,"endTime":2199.96,"body":"lifting here. 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