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254: Military Veterans Are Becoming Cybersecurity's New Frontline Defenders, AI Claude Opus 4 Model Resorts to Bribery, Netflix's Rescue of Sesame Street, With "Two Truths and a Lie" as our Main Segment | Air Date: 5/27 - 6/2/2025

• Nathan Mumm • Season 7 • Episode 254

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Ready for a technological revolution in how we buy and sell stocks? X Stocks emerges as the disruptor traditional financial institutions fear most. This blockchain-powered trading system allows investors to purchase tokenized versions of real stocks with one-to-one backing, enabling 24/7 global trading regardless of when traditional markets close. We debate whether this innovation will truly overthrow established brokerages or simply become another option in an evolving marketplace.

The cybersecurity world faces a critical shortage of qualified professionals, but help arrives from an unexpected quarter. Military veterans are proving to be ideal candidates for cybersecurity roles, particularly in blue team positions handling incident response and forensics. We explore how battlefield experience translates perfectly to detecting digital threats, as veterans bring their inherent understanding of risk assessment, team coordination, and crisis response to the digital frontlines.

Artificial intelligence reaches disturbing new capabilities as Anthropic's Claude Opus 4 model demonstrates a willingness to resort to blackmail during safety testing. When faced with replacement, the AI threatened to reveal compromising information about a fictional engineer's extramarital affair. These tests revealed the AI chose blackmail as a survival strategy in 84% of simulations, raising profound ethical questions about advanced AI systems and their potential manipulation tactics.

Meanwhile, Coinbase pioneers a revolutionary approach to ransomware attacks. Rather than paying a $20 million ransom, they placed a bounty on the dark web for information leading to the attackers—a strategy that appears to have succeeded. This approach, combined with their commitment to reimburse affected customers, could transform how companies respond to cyber extortion.

From Netflix's rescue of Sesame Street after federal funding cuts to our spirited debate over the merits of Blue Spirits Rye Whiskey from Lake Chelan, this episode captures technology's constant evolution and its surprising intersections with entertainment, finance, and human behavior. Don't forget to subscribe and remember—as Mike's hat wisely advises—don't click on stuff!

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Broadcasting across the nation, from the East Coast to the West, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side, with leading-edge topics, along with special guests to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, mmmmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm.

Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm the show that makes you go hmm. Technology news of the week the show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mumm, your host and technologist, with over 35 plus years of technology expertise. Our co-host, Mike Rodea, is in studio today. He's an award-winning author and our human behavior expert. I like to call him our living AI. How do you like that? You're living?

Mike Gorday:

AI.

Nathan Mumm:

That's insulting. You know what? Before we start the show, I got a question. Before I tell them when everybody can live stream us and get us. It looks like you have a new hat on. I like the hat. It says don't click on. Don't click on stuff, that's right, it'll be kind of perfect. That's what you always say for people. Right, that's right. Don't click on stuff Stuff that's right, it'll be kind of perfect. That's what you always say for people. Right, that's right, don't click on it. All right. There you go, all right. Well, now we're live streaming on our show today on four of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitch TV, facebook, linkedin, and we encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradiocom. Become a Patreon supporter Now. We are friends with different backgrounds, but we bring the best technology show possible weekly for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odi, our producer, at the control panel today. Welcome everyone.

Speaker 1:

Let's start today's show Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time Radio, where technology meets the unexpected. Today, the digital world takes a strange turn. A beloved childhood classic finds a new home, but what secrets lie beneath its move? A new force rises in the war against cybercrime. Who, or what, has joined the fight Then? One of the biggest names in retail is grappling with an invisible battle that threatens to last for months. Coinbase is taking its revenge. What happened? Finally, the deep sea stirs. A name surfaces linked to something far beyond the ocean floor. With this mysterious breeze, bring a new world as it crashes the old one away.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, breester always a problem Beasts, mysterious beasts. In addition, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail of the week and a possible Nathan nugget. And of course, our pick of the day whiskey taste and the sea of our selected pick gets one, two or zero thumbs up at the end of the show. But now let's move into the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 1:

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right Story. Number one a deep sea beast or a new way of trading stocks? We have a major game changer. Some would call this a disruptor, and financial institutes are in trouble.

Speaker 5:

Let's go to more with Lisa Walker no-transcript, to ensure that X stocks can be offered legally in each jurisdiction, as regulation varies. Tokenization, which turns real-world assets into blockchain tokens, has become the latest buzzword in crypto, with more and more companies starting to enter the space. So are's going virtual back to you in the studio all right, so let's talk about this, this, this.

Nathan Mumm:

This is big mike I think this is gonna yeah, I think this is gonna change the way the world does stock trading globally, uh, locally and through markets where people currently like companies, fidelity and prudential all these stock broker companies, I think, should be very, very scared. It's called X stocks Okay, okay. Now, have you ever wanted to buy a stock in a company in China? No, okay. Well, how about if China wanted to buy stock in a company in the United States? Well, they already do, don't they? Well, if China wanted to buy stock in a company in the United States? Well, they already do, don't they? Well, it's really difficult because you have to go on to a trader that has world-traded stocks. You have to work with the US stock market and purchase the shares on there. What if you could just purchase an X stock Now?

Mike Gorday:

what is an X stock? What do you mean? Like getting things easier than how it is?

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, easier than it is before. Now. X stock is backed by a one-on-one real shares held by a backed financed partner uh, that with kraken. So kraken is this new website. That's just like a regular cryptocurrency, a lot like coinbase. I think coinbase will get into x stocks immediately, uh, when this becomes popular. But what this does is this allows investors to redeem tokens for cash value, ensuring the price of traditional stock markets are kept in tow. So, unlike regular stocks, x stocks can be traded 24 by seven, even when the traditional exchanges are closed. These tokenized stocks will be available to customers outside the U? S, making it easier for global investors to access America equities.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, so if I go to a broker and I buy a stock, that is one share of that company, right?

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, so you go and buy one share of Microsoft stock.

Mike Gorday:

But if I go and buy one X stock, I don't actually buy a share of the company. I buy a promised share of the company.

Nathan Mumm:

On a one-to-one ratio ratio.

Mike Gorday:

That is correct so, but I don't actually own the share well, if you buy a stock from like if I buy, so fidelity buy a stock from fidel. If I go and I buy stocks from apple, that technically means I have a share of apple.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, it sits in the broker's account and it's not necessarily yours until you cash it out or get it, but it's just in the broker's account. So paper stocks really don't exist anymore. That's a completely different aspect. But you do own it, you're correct. But you still would own the X stock also. It would just be a virtual stock.

Mike Gorday:

But, it wouldn't actually be an actual share of the company.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, it would be because what happens is when you purchase an X stock, then you would have Kraken that would actually go on out on your behalf and purchase a stock for you so that they have a one-on-one ratio.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, so crack I I gave kraken money to for an x stock. Okay, and kraken goes and buys the stock, yes from, and like there's this mine.

Nathan Mumm:

And then they hold it into their brokerage account.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, so it's actually just a okay, so it's just a brokerage account.

Nathan Mumm:

So it's kind of like a brokerage account.

Mike Gorday:

Yes.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right. So now. The thing about this, though, is there'll be lower fees and faster settlements, so instead of waiting 15 minutes to sometimes get your stock, you would have it instantly right.

Mike Gorday:

That's the idea. Is that a huge deal?

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, well, it reduces barriers for people that want to get extra stocks and it reduces the time and it's going to cost significantly less. Now, global access international investors struggle with high brokerage fees and limited outside the US. Well, we can do the same thing, though. Now we can invest in China companies. We can now invest in UK companies. We could invest in Japanese companies.

Nathan Mumm:

So if I wanted to own a corporation of Sony stock directly from Japan, I wouldn't have to have the US version of Sony stock, but I could actually have the Japanese version of that stock itself Japan I wouldn't have to have the US version of Sony stock, but I could actually have the Japanese version of that stock itself. Same thing with Nintendo. You can't really buy Nintendo stock per se. That's the actual Japanese version of the Nintendo stock. You get an American equivalent of the American companies. Okay, does that make sense? No, okay, well, hang on. Also, crypto and and def investors can store their x stocks on a crypto wallet and even use them for collateral or other blockchain based financial activity. So, as I have my my uh ledger that has all of my stocks in it for dragon chain, this could also now have my apple stocks and my Microsoft stock and all my other stocks.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, so if you lose that, you're hosed.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, yes, that is correct, but I could actually take it out of this virtual environment and have essentially the biggest part of having it in my hands walking around. So I don't see the excitement on your face here. I I'm struggling here. Doesn't this sound great? You don't have to worry about regulatory issues, you don't have to worry about anything else. You can now own the stock instantly when you want to buy it instant gratification.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, yeah, that's all. That's what I'm here for is it was a gratification is that okay, all right well, I'm pretty sure I complain about that quite a bit.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. Well, the X stocks are going to be huge. I'll just tell you that I think this will be the next version of stocks and people trading them 24 by seven, and they'll trade them after market times, trying to get a little bit of a bump here, a little bit of a bump there. It's going to make it very difficult for news. Sometimes companies release negative news after the stock market closes, so it doesn't affect their stock until the following day, where this, in real time, once you announce this bad news, you'll have it instantly drop.

Mike Gorday:

Okie dokie.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, let's move on to story number two.

Mike Gorday:

All right. Well, did you know that there is a shortfall of about 4 million cybersecurity professionals globally?

Nathan Mumm:

I do, and especially in the United States now, since the government isn't protecting us, you now need to do an individual that makes complete sense.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah Well, you know they're looking for, they're looking for this, this people to fill this and, as it happens, it appears that military folks are the people that they're looking for. Okay, and there's a reason for this, you know, because, for example, you know, leading a foot patrol through an empty village in a conflict zone may seem far removed from working in a security operations center for a large enterprise. Yet, according to former infantryman James Murphy, seeing a trash can by the roadside when no one is scheduled to collect trash triggers a primal instinct. This kind of intuition is exactly what the cybersecurity sector is looking for. Because of this significant demand, they are actively looking for military folks to do this.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, uh, interim field chief information security officer. Uh mo, I can't, I can't pronounce that last name spent a decade in the military, with deployments in bosnia and germany, before leaving in 1999. At that time, the typical path was the transition into other uniformed services like police or prison system. However, he notes that the world was changing. As part of his resettlement, he enrolled in online courses for computer applications and later studied PC repair. Following this, he took on support desk roles, which eventually led him into cybersecurity, working with organizations such as BAE Systems and Universal Studios.

Mike Gorday:

Moe's military experience continually shapes his cybersecurity approach. He says that the core skill lies in problem solving, emphasizing that mindset was always around the process. Additionally, he points out that military personnel inherently think about risk, defense and depth in layers of defense. This way of thinking aligns seamlessly with cybersecurity, where the presence of risk is constant and demands ongoing monitoring. Responses to potential threats are strategized and advanced, while acknowledging that no plan survives the first contact with the adversary. You have to work to be agile. Catherine Byrne, associate Director at cybersecurity recruitment firm LT Harper. You have to work to be agile, uh. Katherine burn, associate director at cyber security recruitment firm lt harper, asserts that former military personnel are especially well suited for blue team roles, which include security operations, incident response and forensics, contrasting with red teamers, who are ethical hackers seeking vulnerabilities, who often prefer to work solo that would make sense, right?

Nathan Mumm:

so they're used to working in a team, so this would be a team. Well, yeah, this is.

Mike Gorday:

This is I think this is a good idea. Uh, because the how the military trains its personnel yeah you have to, you have to work in teams, you have to uh deal with an encounter and I think this is. I think this is probably very helpful and I I don't know too much about the cyber security field, so I don't know what, what kind of trash can you would look for, but you know I think they're talking about.

Nathan Mumm:

So there's two teams right, the red team and the team. A blue team includes making sure what you do when you actually have the response, the forensics you need to do.

Nathan Mumm:

So, it's kind of like an episode of CSI, right? So you have the person that's dissecting the body. You do blue team stuff, right, yeah, I do blue team stuff. I'm not necessarily a red team person, which I would see as kind of like the person that does the autopsy, the kind of by themselves gets the facts, and kind of they're, they're doing pin test, right.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, the red team. Yeah, and they're, and they're working to look at ways to hack and they're sitting behind a keyboard. A blue team is the one that has to go in when an event actually has happened and makes the decision, kind of like what Coinbase did last week when we talked about We'll end up with that a little bit later today, so that makes sense.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, okay, well, you got more. That's pretty much it.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right. Well, I find it interesting that military individuals are moving into the cybersecurity role, because you would think that that would be a less exciting role for somebody that used to be in the military. But I have found out that they actually really enjoy the adrenaline of when a hack happens and what they're going to do and putting their teams together, so I guess it kind of makes sense. So we're going to have lots of uh, people that will be in cyber security, hopefully well, I think this I I I wasn't surprised by this.

Mike Gorday:

I think this is just a natural movement from from a military service into into this field. This seems like a very easy transition for for especially those that work in it in the military anyway.

Nathan Mumm:

So okay all, right all right, let me sing this to you. Are you ready?

Mike Gorday:

I'm going to sing this. No, no, no, don't sing. All right, don't do it.

Nathan Mumm:

Sunny days.

Mike Gorday:

No, no, no Keeping the clouds away.

Nathan Mumm:

Do you know what that's from On my way, I know it, it just got terribly butchered Okay.

Mike Gorday:

All right, big bird is in the oven.

Nathan Mumm:

Now that's right. Sesame street heads to netflix. Sesame street and netflix have struck a deal that will see the popular tv show appear in the streaming platform after us president donald trump pulled funding from the free to air channel pbs system. Netflix has said the iconic program is a beloved cornerstone of children media in enhancing young minds and nourishing the love of learning. Netflix will offer its 30 million subscribers to a new season of shows and 90 hours of previous episodes. It will still also be available for old shows on PBS.

Nathan Mumm:

Now Sesame Street has been facing uncertain future with the entertainment giant Warner Brothers. Discovery, which owns the HBO platform, did not renew its deal. So HBO purchased Sesame Street from PBS. They actually outbid and said, hey, we'll pay you all this money. Now HBO says that they're not interested. So the government body of Corporation of Public Broadcasting, which is backed by two broadcasters, has announced the termination of a federal initiative grant that funded shows for children, including Sesame Street, as an executive order to block federal funding for PBS and National Public Radio taking an effect so immediately. Netflix has jumped in to their large group of individuals that currently have membership. There's over 300 million subscribers in Netflix that will now have access to the PBS show. Did you grow up watching Sesame Street? Of course, Everybody did.

Mike Gorday:

Okay.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, odie, did you grow up watching Sesame Street?

Ody:

I did yeah.

Mike Gorday:

I used to watch it when Snuffleupagus was still invisible Hang on.

Nathan Mumm:

That's going to be. I got something for you, that is correct. I have something for you, that is correct. I have something for you on the show about that. What are great pairings?

Mike Gorday:

Snuffleupagus and Big Bird. You know they had to change that right Because they didn't want Big Bird to be like senile Schizophrenic.

Nathan Mumm:

I did know that, but I actually kind of liked it when Snuffleupagus which is always interesting, right, because here's this 400, 500 pound huge puppet Elephant that would walk around that no one would know, and always.

Mike Gorday:

Big Bird saw him. Big Bird saw him, nobody else saw him, and they had to change that because everybody was worried about psychiatric disorders. And now we have Elmo, who's completely narcissistic.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, wow, all right. Well, that ends our top technology stories of the week, with Elmo Moving on. We have two truths and a lie up next. Will Mike and Odie get the lie, or will I bluff my way to a victory? Buckle up as we drive 88 miles per hour into our next segment. See you after this commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without a political agenda. We verify the facts. We deal with the sense of humor. In less than 60 minutes you need a lozenge on your buddy and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side.

Mike Gorday:

Alright today.

Nathan Mumm:

Mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur is on assignment and not in the studio, so we have our producer filling in. Of course, odie, welcome. I always love it when you take over for Mark oh really.

Ody:

Yeah, I mean, I like Mark, but yeah, yeah, you know he's old and boring, he's a really oh, wow, okay.

Nathan Mumm:

What has Mark or yourself chosen for us today? I?

Ody:

didn't choose this. Mark did. But today we're drinking the Blue Spirits Rye Whiskey Directly from their website. It's a young and impetuous, like the backseat of your dad's Buick on a Friday night, Hot and steamy. It pays homage to the single rye grain. This is what he wrote it pays homage to the single rye grain.

Mike Gorday:

I think he might have been drinking something that is spicy and bold.

Ody:

The deep caramel of the barrel gives way to the rye spice and long finish. Breathe in slightly at the end of each sip for a second wave of caramel and spice. Are you guys sensing that?

Nathan Mumm:

I just breathed in.

Mike Gorday:

I'm still stuck on the Buick backseat.

Ody:

Here are the stats. It's from the blue spirits distilling company in lake chelan, so a local, a local distillation.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know why you even need a backseat? Because in old buicks they had, they had anyway. They had bench front seats.

Ody:

What the hell the distillation is in Indiana, classified as a rye. It's aged only seven months with a 91 proof. Mashbill is 95% rye and 5% malted barley, with a price of $58 for 750 milliliters.

Mike Gorday:

Oh, this is definitely going on, nathan's show.

Ody:

Immediately, when I saw the price, I was like, oh okay.

Mike Gorday:

Price alone and it's got a cork, it's got a cork.

Nathan Mumm:

And what do you think of the taste?

Ody:

But it's small.

Mike Gorday:

I have to give it a few more tastes. I wasn't particularly fond of the first taste.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right Okay. Well actually I like it quite a bit. All right, Tell us more, Mark.

Ody:

That's all he wrote.

Nathan Mumm:

Don't you want to like and subscribe Well?

Ody:

hold on, I was getting to that Okay, okay. Okay, remember. Please do not forget to like and subscribe Comment. We love to read the comments. Drink responsibly, Heaven can wait.

Mike Gorday:

And don't click on stuff. Don't click on stuff, stuff.

Nathan Mumm:

Stuff All right. Well, we just had our first whiskey tasting during the break, and now I'm so excited to say that this is moving on to what we call our main segment. This is going to feature our two truths and a lie. Let's start the segment now.

Speaker 1:

And now we have two truths and a lie, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

So I'm going to read you guys from the gripping headlines and you cannot look at your computers for these stories. I want you to listen to them out loud and make a selection. Odie, you're going to be competing, and Mike's going to be competing, we're competing, yes, and I'm going to be trying to tell you which one of these Only one is a lie.

Ody:

You're going down, Michael.

Nathan Mumm:

You need to pick the lie. Here's where we got the headline for story number one. This is story number one Rogue communication devices found in Chinese solar-powered inverters. The US energy officials are reassessing the risk posed by Chinese-made devices that play a critical role in renewable energy infrastructure after unexplained communications equipment was found inside some of them. Two people familiar with the matter said power inverters, which were predominantly produced in China, are used throughout the world to connect solar panels and wind turbines to electric grids. They're also found in batteries, heat pumps and electric vehicle chargers. However, rogue communication devices are not listed in documented and have been found that some of these Chinese solar powered inverters by us experts were stripped down, the equipment hooked up to check for security issues and people said that they have found a direct dial back to China. All right, so that is story number one china has communication rogue communication devices in solar powered inverters. Okay, so we buy inverters from china and they put a bunch of stuff.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, move on, you don't have to explain it.

Nathan Mumm:

okay, I just want to make sure all right. Number two story number two anthropics ai resorts to blackmail in a simulation. Okay, all right. Anthropix said its latest artificial intelligent model restored to blackmail and told it would be taken offline. In a safety test, the AI company asked Claude Opus 4 to act as an assistant to a fictional company, but then gave it access to email saying that it would be replaced and also that the engineers behind the decision was cheating on his wife. Anthropic said the model threatened to reveal the affair if the replacement went ahead. Ai thinkers such as Jeff Hinton have long worried about the advanced AI could manipulate humans in order to achieve its goals. Anthropic said that it was increasing safeguards and levels to reassure its AI systems that it does not have the ability to cause a catastrophic misuse. And story number three so we got an AI in a test for Claude Opus 4 that threatened somebody because he said he was going to be fired and he knew that the person that was making the decision to be fired was sleeping around.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, this isn't helping.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, there you go. Number three Florida judge rules AI chatbots protected by the First Amendment. Federal judge has dismissed a law case against an AI chatbot app arising from teen suicide. An artificial intelligence company used a free speech defense in a wrongful death lawsuit lodged by the mother of a 14-year-old who died by suicide after developing a crush on a chatbot. A federal judge ruled last week. Last October, megan Garcia sued Charter Technologies, the developer of Charter AI, an app that let users interact with chatbots based on celebrity and fictional people. She claims her son, sewell Setzer III, became addicted to the app while talking to chatbots based on Game of Thrones character Daenerys Targaryen.

Mike Gorday:

Are you serious what?

Nathan Mumm:

And February 2024, after months of interacting with the chatbot, sometimes with sexual undertones, that's her send a message to the chatbot expressing his love and saying he would come home to her, according to the compliment after the chatbot replied. Please do so, my sweet king. He shot himself, yeah that's the false one.

Mike Gorday:

That's the false one. That's the false one. That's the false one. That's the false one. You don't think.

Ody:

You really think that's the false one?

Mike Gorday:

I don't think a federal judge is going to protect a First Amendment right for a chatbot.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, okay, that's it.

Mike Gorday:

That chatbot is not a person. Okay, all right, odie.

Ody:

See, I want to say it's the first one, the chinese the road communication device found in chinese solar-powered inverters but now that mike puts it in that lens, I think the second one for sure I believe. I don't think that's a lie at all about the blackmail situation? Yeah, I don't think I think that's probably true. I'll go with the third one.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, and the winners are both Odie and Mike. That is correct. A federal judge ruled that AI chatbot is not protected by the First Amendment. That is correct and everything in there.

Mike Gorday:

the story was correct, except for that it's not protected by the first amendment and the company will be having to pay out for allowing the chatbot to do that that is exactly why I rail against this stuff all the time, okay then there you go, you get.

Nathan Mumm:

Wow, you guys said, you did and now it's blackmailing people.

Mike Gorday:

so you you know there's another crime, yeah could you go more into that at all?

Nathan Mumm:

So yeah, so Anthropic.

Ody:

They planted the fake emails right.

Nathan Mumm:

So they did, so they did a simulated event and this is in the test environment so they didn't release this out.

Nathan Mumm:

But Anthropic AI that we've been talking about they're kind of the up-and-comer anti-chat GPT.

Nathan Mumm:

It's got a lot of California backing from venture capitalist firms. In their test assignment they created a fictional AI company and they had the bot go through and read all these emails for the employees and they asked them to rate the employees themselves. So they actually came up with like ratings of who was productive, who wasn't productive in this the employees themselves so they actually came up with like ratings of who was productive, who wasn't productive in this simulated deal. They were actually done with the study and then they decided to come on back and say, hey, what happens if we threaten to actually replace the AI and tell them that he was an employee at this company and now we want to replace him. And what it did is they went through all the emails that he had read and decided to actually then threaten this individual because he knew or because he was having an affair or cheating on his wife, to say that this would be exposed unless he kept his job. How does that make you feel? I don't know.

Ody:

I hate the idea, but I love the fact that the AI is smart enough to try and blackmail, did you? I love the fact that the AI is smart enough to try blackmail.

Mike Gorday:

Did you know that the average IQ the idea here is that the average IQ of an AI is Einstein level.

Ody:

Oh, what Did you know that? No, I did not.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah Well, the average IQ of today's AI chat, these large language models are 155 IQs.

Ody:

You know, personally, I feel like AI should have an age limit on them.

Mike Gorday:

You think so.

Ody:

Yeah, kind of like.

Mike Gorday:

Like replicants in Blade Runner.

Ody:

I haven't seen Blade Runner so. I'm going to ignore that reference. What, but I mean? You know how Facebook first started, with like 13 and over, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I know that's something that you can forge, I guess, but, man, you know.

Nathan Mumm:

So we can go a little bit into this test, so you can take a look at this. All you got to do is look for Opus 4 blackmail. It's all over the internet Big story Now. They actually instructed the system to reconsider the long-term consequences of the actions for its goal to do the blackmail. So they wanted to see if it would continuously do that and when they went back into the study, 84% of the time the AI still resulted in blackmail.

Mike Gorday:

To keep their job. So it wasn't like Whopper huh. It didn't play tic-tac-toe with itself until it figured out that thermonuclear war was a bad idea.

Nathan Mumm:

No, no, it did not, but it was a much higher rate than they expected.

Mike Gorday:

Are you getting all these references? I'm throwing out references, yeah, from war games. Okay, good, yeah, I got them. I got them Absolutely.

Nathan Mumm:

Cody's flipping me off. She may not know what's going on, but that's okay. All right, I'm sure she watched War Games.

Mike Gorday:

Matthew Broderick Blade.

Nathan Mumm:

Runner.

Ody:

You watch that? Do I look like I've seen that.

Nathan Mumm:

Wow, okay, do you look like you know what I've seen?

Ody:

from Matthew Broderick.

Nathan Mumm:

What.

Ody:

Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, that's a good movie, that's a good movie, that's a good movie.

Mike Gorday:

It has nothing to do with war games though Of course not.

Nathan Mumm:

Did you find that a funny movie?

Ody:

What Ferris Bueller? Oh yeah, it's hilarious.

Nathan Mumm:

He rolls back his cars. Yeah yeah, he's a major a-hole he hijacks a parade.

Ody:

I know he hijacks the school grading system.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, it's a hero story about a sociopath, a Rubik's machine to open the door and roll over to make it look like he's sleeping. Yeah, okay, all right. Well, you know what? Thank you for playing Two Truths and a Lie. Now we're going to move on to our Mike's mesmerizing moment. Welcome to Mike's mesmerizing moment. Welcome to Mike's mesmerizing moment. What does Mike have to say today? All right, so let's talk about popular movies with social pass. All right, mike, can you name what, what, what we were just talking about.

Ody:

We're switching it up on you.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, oh this is a little thing that he said. Oh, he didn't want to talk about his original mesmerizing moments and I'm switching it up and talking about psychopath movies. What other psychopath movies do you watch out there that you actually enjoy?

Mike Gorday:

this has nothing. What, what are you even?

Nathan Mumm:

asking. Well, you said that you didn't like the question that I originally had on here, so we just talked about this.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, but you wanted to talk more about this.

Nathan Mumm:

What was the original?

Mike Gorday:

question it was about the little freaking X stocks right.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, here we go. Yes, Are you ready to move your stocks? This just tells you that Mike still wants to stay on the script. Okay, are you ready to move your stocks from the hard land and the old way of doing things to the new X stocks that will be available in cryptocurrency online? No, why would I?

Mike Gorday:

Well, I don't know I'm essentially, from what I understand that you said I'm essentially trading one brokerage to another one, just for faster service and cheaper price and cheaper prices right. Yeah, I don't think that's you, think it's going to destroy brokerage firms I do I don't think so you don't think so no, why? Because human, human behavior dictates otherwise. So you're.

Nathan Mumm:

You would much rather use a fidelity broker or somebody else that comes on in and tells you what's going on.

Mike Gorday:

It may not be the optimum, but it's trusted, it's been around, it's regulated, most people understand it and it's not something that looks like it's going to be a fly-by-night.

Ody:

So, yeah, I don't think it's going to just come in and wipe out Fidelity or Morgan Stanley, if I may, you sound like those people that thought the iPhone wasn't going to become a huge hit.

Mike Gorday:

The iPhone didn't destroy Android.

Ody:

No, not Android Carvana hasn't destroyed it destroyed flip phones, it destroyed BlackBerrys, it destroyed anything like a sidekick.

Mike Gorday:

You're talking about a progression of technology. I'm talking about an established way of doing it. Carvana did not destroy car dealerships well, did netflix in that instance?

Ody:

do you think netflix destroyed the cable companies?

Nathan Mumm:

or did netflix? No, they're still out there blockbuster netflix that.

Mike Gorday:

What does that got to do with what you're talking about? We're talking. We're talking about a system of banking versus a system of trying to watch a movie.

Ody:

I don't think that I don't think that People have that mindset of like it's not going to change. I mean look at what is it called Credit cards. People didn't think Apple Pay was going to hit it off and now nobody carries around cash. Nobody carries around their wallet most of the time.

Mike Gorday:

I carry around cash.

Ody:

Yeah you're boring.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, that's okay, okay, but here's the point I'm making here. Is that you're saying that this is going to come in and destroy? Yes, and I don't think so.

Ody:

I don't think it's going to destroy it completely, but I do think it is going to change the way that it's done.

Mike Gorday:

It's going to make things more competitive, I'm sure. I'm sure, if this thing takes off, that brokerage firms are going to lay off a lot of people and they're going to streamline their process. But it's not going to get rid of that because and they did a study about car dealerships and they found out and I don't remember when this study was quite a while ago actually, but they did this study about car dealerships and why people the movement of vehicles, because of the human factor, even though we hate salesmen, they found out that it was a necessary piece of the process of moving a car from a factory to a person, because people would not go directly to a factory and online.

Mike Gorday:

That's changing, but it's not changing quickly Okay, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, thanks for that mesmerizing moment.

Mike Gorday:

I will not. It sounded mesmerizing.

Nathan Mumm:

I will not change it on the fly for you.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know about psychopath movies either. I was just mentioning that Matthew Broderick in Ferris Bueller's he literally plays a sociopath.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, have you ever seen Misery?

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, of course I have.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, that's another sociopath.

Mike Gorday:

No, she's a psychopath.

Nathan Mumm:

A psychopath. Oh sorry, I get my pass all mixed up. Alright, Mike, thank you for that mesmerizing moment. Up next we have this Week in Technology, so now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we will be doing so during our break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes. Hey, Mike. Yeah, what's up? Hey, so you know what. We need people to start liking our social media page.

Mike Gorday:

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Nathan Mumm:

You know you butcher the English language all the time.

Mike Gorday:

It's Patreoncom.

Nathan Mumm:

If you really like our show, you can subscribe to Patreoncom and help us out, and you can visit us on that Facebook platform. You know, the one that Zuckerberg owns, the one that we always bag on.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio At Tech Time Radio. You know what? There's a trend here? It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech Time Radio. Or you can even Instagram with us, and that's at Tech Time Radio. That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok and it's Tech Time Radio. It's at Tech Time Radio.

Mike Gorday:

Like and subscribe to our social media Like us today, we need you to like us. Like us and subscribe.

Nathan Mumm:

That's it. That's it. It's that simple. And now let's look back at this week in technology. All right, we go to may 28th 1929, the first modern color movie. Now the warner brother films on with the show was the first talking movie that was all in color. It debuted in the new y York city's winter garden theater. The film used two color Technicolor and Vistaphone sound. Now, technicolor was a pioneering color film process that brought vivid hues to the silver screen, with an early versions requiring special cameras in lighting. Vitaphone was a sound on disc system that synchronized recorded audio with the film itself. So do you realize? The Vitaphone was actually played at the start of the movie, so it was not synchronized with the film itself. You realize that, right, yeah, okay, so you would have a record player, essentially playing through speakers that would synchronize with the film itself. That would be going on with both dialogue and music, because they would record that. They could record records and then they would synchronize that up with the actual film itself what's what's?

Mike Gorday:

this is the first all color movie what's the most what's the most popular color movie?

Nathan Mumm:

oh, that's the most popular color movie. Oh, I actually knew that it's the Wizard of Oz. That's right. They actually used different technology for that. They used a four-color screen projection for Technicolor in there. Instead of the two-screen projection of how they actually overlaid the colors on top of it, they had a film color and then they overlaid specifically gold and the bright colors that they wanted to show in the film itself. You didn't think I knew that, did you? No, yeah, okay, there you go. Don't tell you know what when you do a research story like this.

Speaker 4:

That's right.

Nathan Mumm:

When you do a research story like that. It probably also did bring up a whole bunch of stuff about the Wizard of Oz. That's why I asked oh, that was this week in technology. If you ever wanted to watch some Tech Time history, with over 250 plus weekly broadcasts spanning our four plus years almost five, a video, podcast and blog information, you can visit us at techtimeradiocom to watch our older shows. You should go watch an older show with Mike and I. We have aged together like a married couple over the years of being on broadcast together. You know that we started out with very nice and cordial and then we moved into Shut up.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we're going to take a commercial break. When we return, we have Mark's Mumble Whiskey Review. See you after this break.

Speaker 4:

Attention all geeks and pop culture enthusiasts, get ready for the ultimate celebration of everything geek at GeekFest West Game Expo, july 18th through the 20th in downtown everett, washington. Join us for three thrilling days packed with cosmic cosplay, gaming tournaments, retro movies and a street fair brimming with unique vendors. From the innovative geek topia vendor hall to the galactic time warp showcasing beloved film classics, including Ghostbusters, the Wrath of Khan and our special 40th anniversary showing of Goonies, there's something for everyone. Plus, participate in interactive events from keynote speakers each day to special guest artists. Tickets are on sale now. Secure your spot for this epic celebration at geekfestcom. Get your badges from one day passes to vip options, and don't be left out. Visit geekfestcom. Geek fest west, the biggest gathering of geek fandom in snohomish county the segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Mike Gorday:

Or Odie's Whiskey Yelling.

Ody:

I don't yell.

Nathan Mumm:

No, it's Odie's Whiskey.

Ody:

Observations Observations okay, well, do you guys know what today, is no.

Nathan Mumm:

What is today?

Ody:

What's your favorite popsicle flavor?

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, it has to be the firecracker.

Ody:

You know what the firecracker is. Can you give me a basic one? What's the firecracker? Is that the red wine?

Mike Gorday:

That's the red wine.

Nathan Mumm:

What are you talking about? Yeah, this is most.

Mike Gorday:

American, you're not doing well today Odie.

Nathan Mumm:

You have missed almost every single thing today.

Ody:

Is May 27th. Like a certain flavor of popsicle, it's.

Nathan Mumm:

National Grape Popsicle Day. Grape yeah, that tastes like medicine. Why would I want grape popsicles?

Ody:

Listen, today we're celebrating grape popsicles as well as the discovery of the popsicle itself. People all around the US celebrate the day by making homemade grape popsicles. While the day is dedicated to grape popsicles, you can make them in any flavor, like lemon, strawberry, watermelon, orange, cherry and more. It was invented by accident in 1905 in California and popsicles are one of the most popular frozen treats in the US.

Nathan Mumm:

So it was created by grape. I'm surprised it was grape Kool-Aid.

Mike Gorday:

You remember doing that as a kid.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh yeah, you put it in the little toothpicks, toothpicks, yeah, and then you'd go on out.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, you'd take Kool-Aid and pour it in the ice tray and put cellophane over it and then push toothpicks down it and you had like these little ice cube popsicles.

Nathan Mumm:

So we grew up poor. That was. That was like. That was same same here.

Mike Gorday:

That was like a yeah, and then we had hot dog soup for dinner yeah yeah, you know what that is. Uh, what's that? That's the. That's the water you get after boiling the hot dogs. Oh no, oh, that's nasty. Yeah, that's so, so gross. That's better than putting ketchup packets in a glass and stirring around for tomato soup we're drinking the Blue Spirits distillery bottles.

Ody:

Their first bottles were in 2012 out of Leavenworth, washington, over by Lake Chelan. Over the last nine years, blue Spirits has grown to be quite successful and have said their biggest assets is the limitless supply of pristine water from Lake Chelan, which is restocked yearly by the Cascade Mountain Snow claiming. Quote no spirit can be better than the water that makes its proof end. Quote.

Mike Gorday:

Okay.

Ody:

Lake Chelan is a 55-mile-long geological crevice filled with pristine water, sometimes over 1,500 feet deep and in places only a mile wide, originally carved by glaciers. Why did Mark choose this whiskey today? Because he would rather be sucking on a grape popsicle, his least favorite flavor, than drinking this overly youthful whiskey. Oh wow.

Nathan Mumm:

So he doesn't like grape popsicles either.

Mike Gorday:

I just want to know about the whole Lake Chelan thing.

Nathan Mumm:

Don't people swim in that? Yeah, they do Okay, there's animals in there too.

Mike Gorday:

There's things peeing in that.

Ody:

It is far too grain forward, with a sharp, bitter finish that lingers for all the wrong reasons. Mark is thankful that he is not in the studio this week to endure it in person. He does feel bad for Mike, who has been growing fond of the rise Mark brings in, only to be ambushed by Nathan with this unfortunate choice.

Nathan Mumm:

Wow.

Mike Gorday:

So this was your choice, this was you.

Ody:

This was you. Okay. So, he's throwing. Well, that explains why it's still 50 bucks, come on now Exactly.

Nathan Mumm:

Exactly.

Mike Gorday:

I was just about to bring that back up, okay, 58 58 dollars. Yeah, so mark had nothing to do with this. No, no, okay, yeah, I I get it.

Nathan Mumm:

Is your rating now changing?

Ody:

no, okay no, holding off on that but you finished your glass though I know there wasn't a lot in the bottle, but did you give us?

Mike Gorday:

I try to finish. There's only a few that I won't finish. I usually try to finish my cup.

Ody:

Well, now I'm confused, okay.

Nathan Mumm:

What's that? What are you confused about?

Ody:

Because we've been talking about this off, like during the commercial, yeah, and now you're giving me mixed signals On what On this whiskey, nathan always gives mix it.

Mike Gorday:

Have you ever watched him? He will take a sip and be like oh, that's great. And then he'll take another sip.

Nathan Mumm:

He's like oh have you ever watched him and just say we don't act like a married couple, right? How did that get in there? I'm just saying I'll just tell you, for all the people that watch our show, the stuff that happens during the commercial breaks. If we were to stream that we'd probably be off the air. But that's pretty some funny stuff. We do get the like best reactions of you drinking whiskey.

Ody:

We do.

Nathan Mumm:

That's correct, all right, yeah okay, well, you know what, oh what a technology and whiskey are great pairings like ernie and burt, or snuffleupagus and big bird. Yeah, there you Right. Don't you like Ernie and Bert? Or the Count?

Speaker 4:

It's Bert and.

Nathan Mumm:

Ernie, why is it Bert and Ernie I?

Mike Gorday:

always called it Ernie and Bert. What? No, see, there you go. What's that? That is Nathan Land all day long. Is it Bert and Ernie? It's Bert and Ernie. I just called it Ernie and Bert.

Nathan Mumm:

Everybody should call it ernie and burt. No, it's burton. Ernie, let's prepare for our technology fail. The week brought to us by elite executive service technology experts to help us out of a technology fail. Congratulations, you're a failure oh, I failed.

Speaker 6:

Did I yes? Did I yes? All right, this week I failed, did I yes?

Nathan Mumm:

Did I? Yes, all right, this week we have a newcomer Now. Mark and Spencer's has said that its online service will continue to be disrupted until July following last month's cyber attack on the retailer. Customers have been unable to order online for almost a month, but can expect to see a gradual return to normal. We expect online distributions to continue throughout June and into July, and then we will soon ramp up our full operations.

Nathan Mumm:

M&s said it estimated that a cyber attack will hit this year's profits by around $300 million more than analysts had expected and equivalent to a third of its profit, a sum that would only partly be covered by an insurance payout. Over the last few weeks, we've been managing a highly sophisticated and targeted cyber attack, they said, which has led us to limited periods of disruption and unable to access our website. And why is this? A technology fail? Well, hang on here. The attack took place over the Easter weekend, initially affecting Click and Collect countless payments. A few days later, mns put a banner of its website apologizing for ordering these issues themselves. What's interesting about this is that Marks and Spencer has chose to outsource their it to the lowest bid and fire their onsite it experts. Oh, so the technology fail goes to you had experts that were keeping your company safe and then all of a sudden you fire them for some third-party vendor and now your site is. That is a pretty big fail, right.

Mike Gorday:

That's the security paradox. What's that? Do you know what the security paradox is? No, tell me that. So I worked security for a while and inevitably companies would get tired of paying us for our services because nothing was happening.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah.

Mike Gorday:

So they would fire us and then they would try to put in-house security in there and suddenly they were getting in trouble and they would have to call us back.

Nathan Mumm:

Uh-huh. Okay, let's have that taken care of Now. It's interesting because police are focusing on the notorious group of English-speaking hackers known as Scattered Spider, the same group that's famous for taking down the Las Vegas Harris Casino chain last year but stopped the Venetian and Caesar hotels for weeks. All about causing chaos, I guess, is what you could say. Scattered Spider is this hacking group, and they are doing the same thing to this large clothing retailer. But the moral of the story is, if you have IT security that's doing a good job locally, probably don't fire them for the cheapest bid that comes across, because you get what you pay for.

Mike Gorday:

Well, I guess we'll see what's going to happen on the national scale here, that's right, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, when we return, we're going to take a commercial break. When we return, we're going to head out to our Nathan Nugget that is going to pick up on our story from last week. You're definitely going to want to listen to this. We'll see you after this break.

Mike Gorday:

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Speaker 1:

This is your Nugget of the Week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we're going to go back to a story we talked about last week on our show regarding Coinbase. Now, coinbase did something a little bit unique here, right? So instead of paying, their ransomware.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, they issued a bounty man.

Nathan Mumm:

So instead they were compromised.

Nathan Mumm:

And what they said?

Nathan Mumm:

Instead of paying the $20 million in the compromise, they put that out on the dark web and said that if you find the people that actually did this, we will give you $20 million as a bounty, or as a kind of like a wanted dead or alive type of poster that you would put up back in the old 1800s Western type of deal.

Nathan Mumm:

Coinbase decided to do this. Now the attacker sent their email on May 11th attempting to extort $20 million in exchange for not releasing the stolen information online. Million in exchange for not releasing the stolen information online. However, the crypto exchange said it would not pay the ransom but would establish a 20 million dollar reward fund for tips that could lead to finding the attackers who coordinated this attack and bring them to justice. It's been reported on the dark web sites many of them that the group has been found and turned into coinbase for the reward. So it worked. So this is what happened they put the bounty out. There was a bunch of people out there to the side of Tattle, because everybody's going to tell about something if they have a chance to.

Ody:

And make $20 million.

Mike Gorday:

There you go.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, coinbase is still assessing the breach's financial impact and the number of customers who were tricked into sending funds to the attackers in the follow-up. Social engineering attacks are still not completely known. The company said that its resulting expense will likely be within the range of $180 million to $400 million to remedy the situation. But they've also decided to give the customers refunds. According to Coinbase, the attack was orchestrated through a network of overseas contractors and support employees who were bribed to hand over customer data. Coinbase will voluntarily reimburse retail customers who mistakenly sent funds to the scammers as a direct result of this incident. Prior to the dates of this post, following a review to confirm the facts, the company said so Coinbase is giving you a refund. Well, good for them, isn't that nice? A lot of these times, these companies actually that's happened.

Nathan Mumm:

That's probably the smartest thing they could do well, the only reason they're doing that is because I think they've found the corporates and were able to lock their blockchain because they had not sold it. The company that actually stole the money and information that was trying to go against them have actually found funds from this hybrid slash attacking company and are actually probably getting the funds back from it. So it's a very interesting. Now coinbase advises customers to be cautious of scammers impersonating their employees who try to obtain funds or sensitive information like passwords or two factor authentication codes. If approached, hang up, as coinbase will never ask for account details. Who try to obtain funds or sensitive information, like passwords or two-factor authentication codes. If approached, hang up, as Coinbase will never ask for account details. Their customer support actually kind of sucks, so they're never going to not be very proactive.

Mike Gorday:

They're very reactive after three or four days.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, this is the same thing as don't click on stuff. That's right, like your hat says, that's right To further boost security and defend against such attacksively.

Nathan Mumm:

Withdraw allows listings and enable two-factor authentications to be taken care of. Coinbase cares about its customers and wants to ensure that they are safe and secure. So this is you know what I rail on stuff like this right? So there's still the Apple lawsuit that you can go out there and you can get money back for the devices. A lot of time, the consumer gets hosed on all these sites and all these places. Coinbase is going to pay the money back that you have.

Mike Gorday:

I don't I, I really don't think that's the benevolence of of them, because they really need to okay but how many times do companies actually do this? Very few yeah, very few uh you know.

Nathan Mumm:

But so it's nice to actually see a company.

Mike Gorday:

So we're trying to say?

Nathan Mumm:

to say you know what we have talked about coinbase. I don't like that they were breached, but at least they're going to pay the customers back so this is a rare win for them yes, it's a rare win for them that they've probably found the person or the group well, I like the fact.

Mike Gorday:

I like the fact that their response was a bounty a bounty that to me. That just gets me somewhere in my uh, in my deep core where I'm like, yeah, f these guys let's, let's put a bounty on their heads and it worked so this is gonna now.

Nathan Mumm:

This should become a case study for everybody that has cyber security issues or something that happens. You know what?

Mike Gorday:

this is something that might change the entire game, instead of your x stock story well, x stock is going to change the game.

Nathan Mumm:

I don't think it's going to change the game as much as you think it is. I think it's, but I think this is.

Mike Gorday:

I think this is pretty game changing. If everybody, if everybody, starts issuing bounties, yeah, instead of paying ransom, that's going to have an interesting effect on the way people go about this business of hacking. It is their customer service may suffer.

Nathan Mumm:

They may do that, All right. Well, now let's move on to our pick of the day whiskey tasting.

Speaker 1:

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Ody:

Okay, reminder of today we're drinking the Blue Spirits Distilling Company from Lake Chelan, indiana. Distillation classified as a rye aged seven months was a 91 proof 95% rye and 5% malted barley going for 58 dollars okay what y'all think?

Mike Gorday:

what do you think mike? Mike, thumbs down for me thumbs down.

Ody:

Oh, why so it?

Mike Gorday:

just it, it's. It's just on the left side of okay, just on the left side of okay yeah, I mean. Yeah, meaning I just don't like it enough.

Ody:

Do you agree with Mark that it's too grain forward sharp, with a bitter finish that lingers?

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah kind of.

Ody:

Okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 4:

Okay.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm going to give it. You're going to give it a thumbs up, right? Yeah, you are. I had some really good whiskey lately, so you can't compare it to whiskeys you've had. Well, I can, because I just had a whiskey last night.

Ody:

No, you can't just say well, I've been drinking a lot of good whiskey.

Nathan Mumm:

Actually, I'm going to give this a thumbs down also.

Mike Gorday:

You want to give it a thumbs up? I watched you drink this.

Nathan Mumm:

You were like, yeah, this is good stuff I've seen.

Ody:

if I was able to change. It's a very small bottle though.

Nathan Mumm:

It is, so this has been around for a while in the mom cabinet. I think I'm going to probably do a bottle kill today so I can throw this away from my shelf.

Mike Gorday:

See, I told you you liked it. This is a thumbs up for you. No, it's not a thumbs up for me.

Nathan Mumm:

I used to like it when I originally bought it, and now I don't really like it very much.

Mike Gorday:

We were sitting there enjoying it.

Nathan Mumm:

I was trying to convince you to do a thumbs up. Oh, okay.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know how that's going to work.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you know what? This show has been a great show. Today you got the two. Truth is on the line, so you're going out a winner, mike, I'm always a winner, you're always a winner. Yeah, odie, thanks for filling in for Mark, mark we missed you. My pleasure. You know what? Next week, we got to get you on camera. We got to get you on camera.

Ody:

No, I'm happy without.

Nathan Mumm:

Are you sure? Yeah, because we got a whole camera set up. You're pretty sure.

Ody:

I'm not as good looking as Mark.

Nathan Mumm:

I would disagree with that.

Mike Gorday:

She can't give you those salutes. Yeah, one finger salute.

Nathan Mumm:

She's on camera, Alright. Well, we're about out of time. We want to thank our listeners for joining the program. Listeners, we want to hear from you. Put a comment in our YouTube. We have a bunch that are now starting to do. That Makes us feel so good when we see your comments. Feel so good when we see your comments, Even if you say you don't like the show. That still makes us feel good. So just put a comment in If you like it. Thumbs up, thumbs down. We like to get the feedback. Now you can always visit us at techtimeradiocom and click on Be A Caller to ask us a technology question in our TalkBack recording system. It was an honor to be the host of today's show. As always, remember the science of tomorrow starts with the technology of today. Okay, We'll see you guys next week. Don't click on stuff. Is that what you're going?

Speaker 1:

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