Responsive Black Bodies

Creative and community organizer A.J. Lucky has an intimate conversation with Ph.D. candidate Chanel Beebe, about individual and collective Black bodies, responding to the current social movement. From Black bodies doing “fu fu” things to twerking in the mirror, to intentional need-based healings. It’s all us, and it’s all happening now. 

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Chanel Beebe
Website: ChanelBeebe.com
Artist, Writer, Educator, Researcher, Activist
Hometown: Detroit, MI
Pronouns: she, her, hers
Gender Identity: Woman, Two-Spirited
Ethnicity: African American, Indigenous

Passions: Social Problem Solving, Community Building, Art Therapy, Personal and Communal Thriving, and Wellbeing

Professional Roles:
Founder and CEO: Beebe Arts LLC
Editor-In-Chief: Bitten Magazine™
Apprentice Editor: Murmurations: Emergence, Equity, and Education
Inaugural Intern: The Isipho Collective
Chief People Officer: Family First Solar
Thought Leader: National Association of Multicultural Engineering Program Advocates (NAMEPA)
Founding and Board Member: Green Papers Venture Capital
Ph.D. Candidate: Purdue University Department of Engineering Education
Master’s Student: Purdue University Department of Industrial Engineering

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Black black girl, come when we walk into a room full of pink people, it started, Hey, black boy, black girl. Don't, you know, black flag, spiritual Lackey, try and feel good to be black, black. Sometimes I wish black queer black is where blackness intersects with queerness and meats. So what is your show called black? Like Blaz can like be LQ. It's called, it's called black Slack.

Speaker 2: 0:47

[inaudible]

Speaker 3: 0:52

All right. Today I have with me Chanel Bebe, and I mean, Chanel, I've known her for about five or six years now. And she is just one of those people who they have so many different roles and things that they do in their life. Um, it would probably take up way too much time even sending through and sifting through all of this stuff and the things that she does. So I'm just gonna go ahead and give you the room in this space right now, Chanel, to talk about what you are currently working on, and then we'll link your bio somewhere in the description box.

Speaker 4: 1:23

Okay. Sounds good. That's actually great. It's a lot easier to do it that way. Um, so hello everybody. My name is Chanel Bebe. I am artist, a writer, educator, um, a researcher activist. Um, I'm from Detroit, Michigan. Um, my pronouns are she her and hers. Uh, I identify as a woman, but also as two spirit, um, which you can do some research on. Um, my ethnicity is African American, black, any black, black, black, black, black. Um, but I also identify as, um, indigenous, um, I'm from a few different tribes. The one I know about right now is the Choctaw tribe. Um, so yeah, that's who I am. Um, I am the founder and CEO of a small business out of Detroit, um, called BB arts LLC. And what we do is social and educational equity. So we do programs, we do content, um, anything research, whatever is needed related to those two concepts. Um, right now I'm working on releasing a magazine that was going to come out on June 13th. Um, the magazine is called bitten, um, B I T T E N, like the past tense of bite. Um, and the magazine is all about just collecting the things that I've learned and trying to put them, um, in a beautiful way and trying to make it something that people can pick up and enjoy looking at, but also learn something from, um, something that's related to whatever they're going through right now. Um, so it's going to be a quarterly magazine. Um, in the past I did a newsletter for my company in a quarterly fashion as well. Um, and that was just updating them about stuff that I was doing. Um, so the magazine will still have elements of that, but it will be more so focused on content, um, content and really art. So it's going to be great content, but also, um, the first issue will be very much me. So if you want to hear my opinions about things for real, for real pick up the magazine. Um, so it's, I have a lot of my artwork and a lot of content will be generated by me. Um, but also we'll have some, um, photography by, uh, Detroit artists by the name of King Chloe Katz. Um, also we'll have some pieces of the content that have been contributed, um, from, uh, homeys. I asked some friends and Gary, um, to for instance, st. Louis. Um, so yeah, it's going to be a little collaborative, but in the future it's going to be significantly more collaborative. So the first issue is just kind of a, here we are, this is what we do. Um, and then we'll be allowing people to, you know, do their own editorials to submit their own articles. Um, ideally, you know, it'll have less and less of my artwork in it and more and more of communal art. Um, so I'm excited about it. That's really what I've been spending my time on lately. Um, so I'm excited to be able to kind of talk about that here, but also just to continue to get my voice out, you know, so I appreciate the opportunity to be on this podcast, um, because I learned from you a lot, like we've been friends for awhile, but I also learned from the way you learn, you know, so I'm like excited for this conversation.

Speaker 3: 4:20

Thank you. I really do appreciate that. And I'm happy to have you on as one of my first guests, like it immediately when I thought of, okay, I'm building a platform for people to come on for our, our, um, voices to be heard and to be protecting, I was like, okay, one of the biggest voices in my life that I'm always listening to and tuning into, no matter what channel that is, whether it's the magazine, it's the social equity firm. I am digging into it to see what I'm learning and, and how she's feeding us. Um, and then how can we give back and feed her as well? So, um, I really brought you on, because I wanted to have you talk about the black body, um, and how this current movement at hand is affecting our bodies. So, um, you can start with first by probably talking about how you've realized as the individual, this entire movement has affected your body.

Speaker 4: 5:16

Mm. Yeah. It's easier to talk about my body than the whole black body. Um, my body is healing. Um, and recently I've made the healing of my body, my primary job. Um, and that has been an interesting shift. Um, but I don't think I'm alone in that shift. It seems like, um, black bodies, um, melanated bodies.

Speaker 5: 5:49

Okay.

Speaker 4: 5:51

Empathetic bodies everywhere, kind of realizing that like we have to be healing. Um, so I guess when I think about these times, how I'm affected by it, I think that's, what's mainly been happening. It's been sending me inside myself. Um, I've been just becoming more aware of how I feel, how my body holds those feelings, um, because I w you know, when you see what you see when you see a pandemic, when you see, um, continued racism matched with, you know, uprising trying to reconcile that racism, um, your body, my body wants to help. It wants to be a part it wants to forward these things. Um, But in that same moment that you see that and want to do those things, you also realized that you can only do those things with your body, you know, so I think it's definitely sent me to realize that, like, my body is my instrument for this thing. And if I don't take care of my body, I can't help therefore taking care of my body can, and shouldn't be my first job. Um, and that's, that's a constant paradigm shift, you know, every day I have to remind myself to check in, but, um, I think the greatest effect that these times I've had on me and my body has been my relationship between myself and my body. Um, and how important that feels now and how sacred it feels now. Um, and really how celebratory it can feel, because the freedom that my ancestors have been fighting for, um, was all about Their kids being able to feel safe in their bodies. Um, so I've been trying to like tap into that, you know, as often as I can. Um, But that's just my body, you know, that's just my conception of bodies right now. Um,

Speaker 3: 7:47

So, um, can you dive into more detail about maybe the physical aspect, emotional and spiritual aspect of how your body has been affected by these uprisings and in, in a way for me, the way I've been, you know, using it as a term, I feel like a rebellion is more so a, uh, proper way to conceptualize and happening right now, but how are you effecting on most three planes? Right.

Speaker 4: 8:12

I would say first I'm affected intellectually. Um,

Speaker 5: 8:21

[inaudible]

Speaker 4: 8:21

The language to describe what is playing out. Um,

Speaker 5: 8:32

[inaudible]

Speaker 4: 8:32

Feels a thousand percent more significant than it did pre George Floyd. Um, the language was still important, then it still mattered then

Speaker 5: 8:53

[inaudible]. But I think because we are,

Speaker 4: 8:56

We had only really seen protest be protests in the town that had happened in, and maybe sometimes, sometimes a few solidarity things, you know, because protest was a good enough word before Joyce Florida, we have protests, we have black lives matter, you know, we have racism. Um, and we knew about riots. You know, we knew that there had happened. If you studied a little bit of history, you maybe have known a little bit about the different race Wars that have happened. Maybe a little bit about the rebellions, but most people know, riots, racism, protests, um, maybe Colin Kaepernick, right. Um, intellectually now, um, because of how pervasive the response to the pandemic of racism has been because of how, um, widespread, you know, these technically just protest are, uh, everybody is realizing I can't just call them protest. You know, I can't just call it. Uh, I, you know, I could call it an uprising, you know, uprising really just defines the original action. I could call it a riot, but riot just defines a piece of the action. I would call it a protest, but protest really just defines, you know, in some context, just the March, you know, um, I could call it a reckoning, you know, but reckoning defines, wants to work, has already been done. So none of these words really, um, by themselves are whole, um, and I'm appreciative that people aren't being careful about how they're describing it and people are kind of taking the time to get not necessarily politically correct, but just to try to be as intentional and impeccable with their words as possible. Um, but I'm also aware that intellectually, this is a time where we need to let stories be stories and stop trying to find the right word and the white phrase and let a collection of phrases let a collection of voices, let a collection of feelings be what defines right now. Um, because

Speaker 6: 11:04

[inaudible],

Speaker 4: 11:04

I don't think any of us really wants this to be that one uprising in our kids' textbooks. You know, we don't want it to be that one time that we said something and then nothing really changed. I think all of us are like, no, this is it. You know, we doing it. This is we, we we're changing it now, you know, and if we're changing it now, then it needs as many words as possible. It needs as many perspectives as possible. It needs as many descriptions of lifestyles before and afterwards we need to make explicit, um, what it is that's changing, you know, and I think that that Intellectual And, um, linguistic effect is what's affecting me the most. Um, and as what will affect our children the most. Um, so that's what I'm most focused on. Um, but in being focused on that, like I said, my body is an instrument through which I can do that. Right. So, um, I think physically not just my body, but I think, um, within the bodies of anybody melanated and anybody who cares about anybody, myelinated, um, we're processing what to do with justified anger, we're processing what to do with an undeniable call to action and change. Um, and if you think of your, our bodies as machines with parts, um, if we think of our bodies as machines with, you know, gears in them, and you can think of those gears as wheels or as energy motions, you can also think of those gears as chakras, but your gears were going a certain way in a certain direction, within a certain context. However, for having long, they was doing that before George Floyd, then these things have happened, right? And now your body wants to go a different way, but an object in motion stays in motion unless something sends it another way. So you've been sent in other way, but you still have to like, your body remembers the difference in those feelings, right? And I think physically, our bodies are now experiencing that paradigm shift. Um, our bodies are experiencing that intellectual mucky area. I was just talking about, um, I think physically people are reacting to it with whatever they, whatever they have at their hands. You know? So if, if you are in a body that does not necessarily identify with the violence that you've seen, um, chances are your body is angry and ready to act. Um, and looking for ways to use whatever resources and whatever influence you have to do something about this systemically. Um, if you are in a body that does identify with the violence you've seen, um, you're doing those same things, but you also are, are, um, Sitting on fire, you're sitting on a big ball of uncertainty, a big ball of a lack of safety, a big ball of potential violence that has really always been there. Um, and if your body is a descendant of the transatlantic slave trade, your body knows it really, really well. Um, and that ball up until this point for a lot of people, that ball has been invisible, unless you also had that ball. Um, but now you are seeing that like, Oh, everybody's sitting on fire. You know, there's a reason why Baldwin called it the fire next time. You know, there's a reason why protests have the element of fire in them because when your body doesn't feel safe, your shopper or your bottom one that connects you to this art, it gets either inflamed or it gets really, really tight and either way is going to make its way to fire at some point. Um, so I think the bodies that I know of nobody's that, that looked like me were figuring out what to do with that fire or figuring out how to sit, how to rest, how to breathe and how to transmute the justified anger, the justified fear, the justify, developing hatred into something that's useful into something that doesn't make more fire. And if it does, it makes fire that is cleansing and not just for the sake of more fire. So in that regard, you know, I think black bodies everywhere, hard to speak to, you know, but I'll say that if your body identifies with the body, as you've seen with somebody's knee on their neck for eight minutes, then you're dealing with some fire.

Speaker 5: 16:06

Mmm.

Speaker 3: 16:08

Yeah. And I would just say everyone who I've personally talked to him within my own network, who, you know, our bodies are similar or they identify with a similar body. Um, it's kinda like it's a collective, um, I dunno, it's been like a collective pressure, like a collective judgment that there is something that's way bigger than just, okay, it's me. It's, you know, it almost felt like everyone I reached out to, they were that we were explaining, um, and describing similar, I don't know that our body, like similar symptoms of whatever was going on. Um, the, the, the, cause of all this, it was like, we were all experiencing like this mass scale of the similar side effects, um, for just intellectually and mentally, we were jumbled, like I want to work. And I was speaking to my vice president and she happens to be a woman with African American descent. And she was talking about how, Whoa, like you literally just described my week to a T. And I told her, well, Monday, I couldn't think I couldn't formulate like simple, you know, I couldn't connect to simple pieces, like work that I was so easy to me coming in Monday. It did not make sense to me. It felt like the hardest thing and just completing a simple test. It, it felt like it was exerting a huge amount of energy. Um, and then I described my Tuesday being like this, this breaking point to where it was like, I didn't realize how much of whatever it is I was holding on to. Um, and, and, and she was like, Whoa, like, I really felt like that too. And then we hit that breaking point and then it was like, okay, what are we doing to transfer this energy or a transmitted and let it out. And it was definitely like a, a scream, cry, the acknowledgement of ancestors going to the ancestors, trying to perform a ritual that the cleanse myself in to get this out of me. And, and it was, it was hard, um, coming out of that weekend with the initial. Um, and I, I love the way you described it as being a collective of words. Cause I think it, in fact on that weekend, it was all of those things. Cause in some places it was just a protest. In some places it was protests and riots. In some places, it almost felt like a rebellion because it was a, uh, a fighting, uh, interaction between this state sanctioned, um, institution and between the people just black people. It wasn't just white people, but it,

Speaker 4: 18:35

It was just people. It was people, you know, and I think, um, people have a body that has to process these things. And, you know, I think we had a similar process when the pandemic started to affect businesses. Um, the first time you heard about it, you like, whatever, I don't got nothing for this. I don't seem like I should say anything second time. I'll be like, what are we really about to, this is what's happening. Eventually, eventually you get mad, you know, eventually you're like, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait. So I can't. So I can't do none of the projects. I can go to the places I can't do the thing. Um, and then eventually you're like, Oh, we independent.

Speaker 3: 19:22

Yeah. It goes back to what you were saying with like the wording and the phrasing, because at first people were just saying, ha, it's just the flu. It's like the fluids, but deal. And next thing I know over the course of like three days, I'm working from home for two months and I'm like, and then I'm like, my short film has been paused because we can't gather people personally and lost two family members. And I was just like, just trying to conceptualize, like what just happened. And we didn't chance to really, I didn't even get a chance. I don't know, speak for myself. I didn't get a chance to fully heal from that. And here I come smack

Speaker 4: 20:01

Well, I mean, it's, yeah, it's hard to heal from anything when something else was already happening. Um, and I think, you know, when we were talking about before this, we were talking about, um, y'all missed a great conversation before this podcast started. Um, and I think we'll make that available in some way, but we were talking about the idea of holidays, um, and the idea of like collective experiences. Um, and I think, you know, what we, what we experienced with that pandemic, what we experienced, what we have been experiencing with racism, you know, pre Joyce George floor, but also, you know, to this deeper extent with George, George Floyd, um, is this collective knowing and processing and giving better language to, you know, and as much as I fought the media for how they do what they do, um, the media is a reflection of our own stupidity and our own inability to grasp and to do our own research. And to really want somebody to just tell me what to call it. People are getting sick around me. It looks like the flu. We just wanna call it the flu. That's fine. I know what the flu is. That's cool. Okay. More people are dying that have died before, which I say it was Corona. All right, rolling. That's cool. That's cool. People keep dying. This COVID like now, now, now people are just calling it COBIT and it's like, it's because we need time to process. What's happening to give it a better language to defend the term of how we want to respond to it. But in that whole time, you're not healing from it. You're just knowing about it. You're learning about it and you're dealing with it, but your body hasn't done anything with that energy, but put it somewhere in your body, you know, your body park, like you might not be able to comment compartmentalize, but your body knows how to just store some unfixable, uncertain thing in your shoulder, somewhere or in your head. Usually it puts it in your stomach. The stomach likes to haul a lot of those kinds of anxieties. Um, and that's, that's, what's been my concern. Like I trust my people. I trust the people I trust, um, humanity to reckon itself. Um, but I don't trust humanity to heal itself. I don't trust humanity to take the time to acknowledge what they need as they are recommending itself. Um, so that's been, let's face that I'm putting myself in.

Speaker 3: 22:15

I think that's a perfect way to segue into another question I wanted to ask you. So you're talking about this collectiveness and how the energy has been stored somewhere in our body and it's been compartmentalized. So how do you think this is gonna affect the future generations of people who look like us and people who come from us, um, our children or nieces or nephews, um, just that next generation.

Speaker 4: 22:44

Mmm. That's going to affect them based off how it affects us. So based off the work we do or don't do, um, that will be the bodies that they inherit. And those bodies will experience the world that we did or did not work on. And those bodies will respond to that.

Speaker 6: 23:07

Okay.

Speaker 4: 23:07

Based off the T the tools that we did or did not handle them. Um, and a lot of ways, I feel like we use the perspectives and the experiences of our future generations, um, to dream, but we don't use them to hold ourselves accountable. Um, and I think everybody wants to talk about what's next. Everybody wants to imagine the world, they want their kids to live in. Um, but the last half of that imagining is the walk back to where we are now. Right? So I do a lot of work in design thinking. I do a lot of work in social problem solving, um, and helping people to out what they would like to see done differently. Um, and the hardest part of that is figuring out, okay, now that we know what the thing is that we want, what is the step in between? You know, and I think people have a tendency to fix that on either end of the spectrum. So either fixate on this is what I want it to be, or this is where I am right now. And if you look at this is where I am right now, we really don't, you know, that's complicated, you know, it's a complicated series of steps. And if I look at where they are in the future, And I stopped at the conversation about it and I stopped at how it makes me feel, I'm missing the opportunity to think about

Speaker 5: 24:30

[inaudible]

Speaker 4: 24:30

What was the day before that, like for them? Right. So the day that I imagined my kids live in a world without racism somehow, and they, you know, they have options, they have connections, their food makes sense. They're living in a, in a world that is not being harmed by their actions. Um, how did they get there? What was the, what was the day before that? Like, is there a system, is there a court? Is there a agency? Is, you know, what, what does that look like? You know, and I think, um, however their life is going to be experienced. It's going to be determined by our ability to give them the day before that, you know? Um, and I know that's not like a technical answer to the question cause I could give you like my perfect idealized, what I want my kids to experience a world like, but I think it's important to first ground the fact that, um, Whatever we make for them, They will have to experience with the bodies. We give them, um, and bodies carry trauma, right? So let's say we make this great world and we never call them down while we make it. They're going to inherit this great world with our stress. Cause that's how the body works. The body passes trauma through your genes. You don't have a choice on whether or not they get your best or your worst. They just get whatever they get from you. Right. Um, so as we're building what we build, I think we do have to be cautious about the bodies that we're passing off to people. Um, and I think the best that we can be cautious about that, you know, you do want to be, you know, pay attention to who you make kids with. Um, but also, um, think about how you're carrying your body. And if your body is tight, if your body is unhealthy, if your body is not moving the way you want it to move, how can you heal that now? So that as you make these children, they get the DNA of a body that is healing and not have a body that is working so hard to heal society that is not healing.

Speaker 3: 26:30

So what, what are we doing to make sure our bodies are in the process of failing? Or what are you doing specifically to make sure your body is in that process? Then you're managing this energy to where you're, you're cognitive of what you're on or what body you're passing on to your children.

Speaker 4: 26:47

Um, I've decided that my first job is my own energy management. Um, so when I wake up, it's my job to think about my body and to feel what it needs. Um, instinctively, most people do that anyway, cause you're usually woke up cause you have to be like, that's usually the thing that pushes you out the bed for real, for real. Um, but lately I've been trying to wake up before my body has to pee. So not just lay down until my body makes me get up, but just kinda like, Oh, I'm kind of awake. Let me just lay here and hear my body. Um, but then after that, throughout the day, um, almost ritualistic mindfulness, um, in a sense that when I feel a down moment or when I'm not sure what I'm doing next and just taking a minute to breathe and to like think through my body, like what does anything hurt and have I eaten? Um, cause I've gotten to a point I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to say that I'm the healthiest, you know, me saying that we should be healthy to build does not mean that I'm healthy and should therefore be building I'm really, um, I know these things because I feel my body when it builds. Um, so the way my body works is I have been so stressed out internally, um, that I don't really get a good concept of my own appetite. So if I don't think about the last time I ate my body won't necessarily tell me it's hungry. What'll happen is I'll just be irritated or frustrated. Or I would have tried to do something beyond my energy capacity and I'll listen to my body and I won't really hear much. It'll just be kind of like, Hmm, nah. Then I think about my stomach. And I'm like, what's that what you're doing? And not doing nothing cause there's nothing in there and it's too tired to grow.

Speaker 3: 28:29

I found that I need to reset every day and that's been part of my ritual, my ritual having to find a way to ground myself. So I'm sitting there and I'm intentionally doing nothing and existing and nothing. And then I'm listening to music, I'm listening.

Speaker 4: 28:46

Yeah. And it sounds so food, food, it sounds so, you know, but it's like the most profound thing. And like once you figure out how to do it regularly, once you get a discipline for it, you realize that the food food is necessary for the real, you know, like if you don't, if you don't fulfill your body because the body is the only simple part of life, you know, your body is the only part that you can talk to and convince that you feel differently. Cause a song as though everything else was real. You know? So if you ain't, if you ain't got your body to a place where it believes in is with you, for real, not just cause yo yo shoulders got up at your feet, started walking, but because your actual heart and mind want to go that way. Then when you get there, you're just going to be mad that it ain't fool, fool, you know like you just like, Oh, this life is just all. And it's like, yeah, it is. But inside your body, there is a beautiful movie happening where you get to determine how fast you breathe. You went to determine what you look at. You could determine what you think about you. You know, you can like, not everybody can visualize, um, there is a condition I think it's called Fantasia or something. Oh, well you get where people can't build visualize, but you can like control your attention. Like it doesn't just have to be on phone screens. Don't just gotta be about the news. It could just be a cartoon. Cause you liked the way that that artist draws and it makes your eyes feel good food for your life away. My love like the real world, you know, my mom used to tell me that when I was younger, like, you know, people be in such a rush to grow up, but I promise you, the moment you grow up, you're going to wish you was a kid again. And you know, you don't believe it, but it's like, yeah, the moment you start interacting with other people, you realize that you can't control them. You can't make that. You can't change the tone of their voice. You can't make them more interesting. You can't control how they talk. You can't control what they think is okay to say, you just got to listen to it. Right? And your body experiences the stress of that, you know, and like introvert, extrovert, whatever everybody needs healing. You know, sometimes that healing is just talking to people. You actually like sometimes that healing is talking to nobody. It really depends on what your body needs, but if you don't give it what it needs eventually, um, your, the organs in your body will feel it. And I hate to sound so fatalistic. But I be telling my family this all the time. Like if you don't heal, you're going to die soon.

Speaker 3: 30:54

No, that's true. I mean, it puts the amount of stress on your body that literally takes away black people's lives. So yeah.

Speaker 4: 31:02

Yeah. You need to be eating right. Yet. If you need to be a nice person. Yeah. And you also need to be stretching and breathing regularly. I'm sorry that there is an option about it. I'm sorry that, you know, mindfulness and meditation was presented to black people as something Asian and then something white, but Hey, comedic people were doing it. Our ancestors were doing it. They have their own concept of a yoga flow. This is it's black to do it. You don't got a choice. Brush your teeth, touch your toes. Like it's not an option. It's not fancy. It's not cute. It's not gentrified. It's not bougie. Like it is necessary to brush your teeth.

Speaker 3: 31:47

When you get into, into some kind of alignment with your body, your body will tell you exactly what you should be doing. If your body getting stiff, getting hard, it's telling you, okay, maybe I need to do something else and move around. Especially working from home. Oh my God. My body was getting stiff. And I'm like, yeah, I got to do something. I got to stretch. The next thing I know my leg is on my mini fridge. While after this, after a couple of days, it's like, Oh yeah, my buddy actually needed this regularly. My cousin was saying, um,

Speaker 4: 32:24

She was like, I don't know if black women know this, but like the more you shake your butt, the more money you make. And I was like, what are you talking about? And she was like, no, you ain't even got to do it. I only fan. It's just like the more, the more you move your body, the more aligned you become your body. The better you use your body, the more money you make. And I was just like,

Speaker 3: 32:45

Look, I'm telling you sometime in the morning torque sessions, when you, when you fill in, when you feel like that, Allen and you just

Speaker 4: 32:51

Man, just catch yourself in the mirror at one time and just start dancing. No knowing that you don't feel good knowing that you irritated knowing it's a pandemic now on this uprising, knowing that the president that controls a good portion of his world is who he is. Knowing all that stuff. We get yourself and then do a little shoulder something and it will amuse the fuck out of you. Like in your body. We'll play it. Look at your body. Has the functionality, a child like we'd like to, we other children, we make children like the under devolved of all version of us. But children really know how to use their body. Children got a good concept of what this life is about because they don't got no concept of what these bills is about. So they get it, they get it. They get that. The body is about breathing and playing and laughing and touching and eating things that taste good. And you know, try not to get in trouble. That's all it. That's all. It really is. They get it, they get up and they play and they poke you in an oath, poke yourself in the mouth. That's all I'm saying. Like every cause when you put yourself in the nose, you're gonna realize that you kind of tight, you bent over. You're gonna wiggle a little bit. You're gonna stretch. You know, it doesn't have to be a 30 minute yoga, yoga video every day. It don't gotta be an hour long meditation. It really just needs to be. As often as you can remember it, breathe, listen to yourself, move your body stretch. You know? And that's, I mean, that's my internal effective way, um, that I've noticed. Um, cause there's a lot of other energy that needs to be managed, you know? Um, but you know the serenity prayer, you have to understand what it is that you can change. And the thing that you definitely can change is you and your body. And if not, you know, if you try it and it's difficult, build community, reach out for help ask somebody. There are therapists. There are, especially now there's a lot of free. Like people you can talk to that, won't judge you. And I don't like to tell your business and nobody, if you can't get in your body, if every time you try to breathe, you start crying or you get mad. Go talk to somebody about that. That's your body telling you what it needs. It didn't need to stretch. It didn't need to play in a mirror. It needed to talk like that's, that's what that is.

Speaker 3: 34:52

Hmm. Wow. Yeah. I think that's beautiful. Um, so before we just wrap up here for this episode, cause you are coming back, um, what's something you want the audience to leave with.

Speaker 4: 35:09

Trust yourself,

Speaker 3: 35:12

Listen to yourself.

Speaker 5: 35:18

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Speaker 4: 35:18

And that belief in yourself is not just an emotion. It's a committed and regular action. If you really believe, and you really trust yourself, then you regularly take care of yourself because you believe in the work that you have to do with that, buddy. I think a lot of us have been taught that our value is in the work that we do. Um, and if that's true, then the deeper value has to be in the body that does that work. So trust yourself, listen to yourself. Believe in yourself enough to take care of yourself. I think that's what I would say, period. That's it. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to come back. No problem.

Speaker 5: 36:46

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